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20110415 06:16:37< Cyber_Rock> i need help
20110415 06:17:01< Cyber_Rock> i am using fedora 11 and there is no binary for 1.8~ on the repo
20110415 06:17:23< keb> can you compile 
20110415 06:17:37< Cyber_Rock> yes
20110415 06:17:49< Cyber_Rock> but i would have preferred the binary
20110415 06:17:59< Cyber_Rock> is there no other way?
20110415 06:18:19< Cyber_Rock> there is only 1.6~ version available
20110415 06:19:07< keb> someone probably has made one, you might post a wanted note in the forum
20110415 06:19:28< Aethaeryn> Cyber_Rock: Compiling is better anyway
20110415 06:19:29< Cyber_Rock> ok i'll try that
20110415 06:19:39< keb> but then of course you are trusting a random person to make a binary for your computer
20110415 06:19:42< Aethaeryn> At least back when I started using Wesnoth, there was a month or more lag time in version updates on Fedora.
20110415 06:20:25< Aethaeryn> So e.g. 1.4.n+1 might only be accessible over 1.4.n if you compiled, even if n+1 had an important security update.
20110415 06:20:38< keb> the other problem may be dependencies for 1.8 may not exist on f11
20110415 06:20:41< Aethaeryn> With compiling, you always get the latest.
20110415 06:20:55< keb> you may have to compile dependencies from source as well
20110415 06:21:09< Cyber_Rock> thanks... i will compile from source
20110415 06:21:25< Aethaeryn> keb: Yes, that could be an issue. Isn't Fedora 11 approaching 2 years now?
20110415 06:22:15< Cyber_Rock> yeah it is
20110415 06:22:33< Cyber_Rock> but dependencies have never been any problem earlier
20110415 06:22:54< Aethaeryn> Isn't it officially abandonned though for updates?
20110415 06:23:01< Cyber_Rock> yes
20110415 06:23:08< keb> there should be sdl 1.2.7 libs for f11. not sure about boost 1.35+
20110415 06:23:31< Aethaeryn> It's never really safe to use software that outdated. Essentially, if you're secure right now it's only through obscurity.
20110415 06:23:55< keb> Aethaeryn only if you are on the internet a lot ;)
20110415 06:24:16< Aethaeryn> keb: That's the other way to secure your computer: Never connect to the Internet.
20110415 06:24:33< Cyber_Rock> yes but with my network speed it is very difficult to download new versions of os.... 30kB/s
20110415 06:24:41< Aethaeryn> Most people find that more difficult, though, since just about everything on a computer these days is through the Internet or at least improved with it.
20110415 06:25:09< keb> lol howlong does it take to get wesnoth source code, it is 287MB
20110415 06:25:28< shadowmaster> as long as your bandwidth permits
20110415 06:25:58< keb> ubuntu used to send out live/install cds for free
20110415 06:26:51< keb> probly your local linux user group can make you a f14 cd
20110415 06:26:52< Cyber_Rock> yeah i got one that way...i am going to apply for freemedia service in fedora after few weeks...or i will contact a ambassador 
20110415 06:27:16< shadowmaster> keb: they don't do that anymore? :(
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20110415 06:28:32< Aethaeryn> keb: Yeah, I was going to recommend checking out his nearest university to see if they have a LUG.
20110415 06:28:48< keb> http://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=17
20110415 06:28:52< keb> doesnt look like free anymore
20110415 06:29:10< Aethaeryn> I know my university's LUG always sits on a stack of Ubuntu CDs left over from the latest installfest, and most of the actual members use other distros (e.g. Arch or Fedora) so we could burn a CD or have one already.
20110415 06:29:33< Aethaeryn> Besides, a university Internet is just ridiculously fast for downloading anyway.
20110415 06:30:50< Aethaeryn> Honestly, if you're a LUG and you don't give out free Linux CDs to anyone who asks, you're an epic failure at doing your job.
20110415 06:31:11< keb> and wesnoth should be included on those cds :D
20110415 06:32:40< Aethaeryn> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Games_Spin
20110415 06:32:48< Aethaeryn> Typically, Wesnoth is included on such things
20110415 06:33:12< Aethaeryn> Wesnoth is usually seen as one of the top FOSS games.
20110415 06:33:57< Aethaeryn> You know you're a top open source game if many (most?) of your users don't use Linux and probably don't know much about open source in the first place.
20110415 06:36:05< keb> https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Games_Spin&oldid=101885
20110415 06:36:33< keb> theres a cd with the game already on it
20110415 06:36:42< keb> for f 11
20110415 06:37:15< keb> i wonder what version
20110415 06:42:00< Cyber_Rock> it would most likely be 1.6
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20110415 07:12:14< dansan> Hello everybody.  I gotta WML question that I can't seem to find a ready answer to.  a) When I #define a macro that accepts parameters, do those parameters live outside of the macro definition (I hope not) and..  b) can I use #ifdef to essentially support optional parameters to which I can assign default values?
20110415 07:12:17< dansan> And thanks in advance
20110415 07:14:40< dansan> Oh yeah, also if the parameter name happens to overlap a global name, will it temporarily mask that global instead of affecting it? (i.e., like C, C++, Java, etc.)
20110415 07:14:45< zookeeper> a) no, they don't b) maybe, but you'd probably need to make it really complicated and clumsy
20110415 07:14:49< shadowmaster> b) no
20110415 07:15:00< dansan> hmmm :(
20110415 07:15:22< shadowmaster> c) yes, it clobbers it in the macro's internal context at inclusion time
20110415 07:15:46< dansan> Okies, this is my 1st, .... well, 2nd time to play with WML, but my 1st serious one.  I'm finally deciding to learn the WML, and wesnoth objects (and Lua)
20110415 07:16:01< dansan> aww, bummer
20110415 07:17:54< dansan> So for instance, having this little snippet would suck huh? http://pastebin.com/tm8zvprF
20110415 07:18:08< zookeeper> macro usage is best kept simple. you can always perform some complicated tricks with the preprocessor, but usually that just makes your code unreadable.
20110415 07:18:50< dansan> I'm modifying LivingCaves and was planing on re-releasing it for 1.9.  Maybe I should just jump straight into Lua then for my "functions"
20110415 07:19:06< shadowmaster> #define is supposed to be matched by an #enddef
20110415 07:19:12< dansan> oh yeah :)
20110415 07:19:19< dansan> that's what I meant
20110415 07:19:40< dansan> but that would clobber any existing preprocessor variable named "NAME", correct?
20110415 07:20:10< shadowmaster> I didn't go as far to check whether #define and other directives are interpreted during expansion, but I can tell you that NAME doesn't exist in the sense that #if[n]def expects.
20110415 07:20:47< shadowmaster> so if that works, you'll always #define a NAME macro that will not be used when including {NAME} because of the internal symbol corresponding to the argument NAME
20110415 07:21:06< dansan> Well, if I don't have it in {} then it shouldn't attempt to expand it, right?
20110415 07:21:29< shadowmaster> yes, but that would be useless
20110415 07:22:04< dansan> Well, if somebody invokes the RANDCHECK macro and they don't supply two parameters, would NAME still be defined?
20110415 07:22:32< shadowmaster> Let me go back a bit.
20110415 07:22:49< shadowmaster> the macro arguments are *never* defined, as far as #ifdef's code is concerned.
20110415 07:22:59< dansan> I mean, really, the best way to do what I'm doing is with cute little data tables and lookups.  I suppose I can do that in Lua, but I'm a bit rusty there as well (but it's a lot like javascript, which I've done since 95
20110415 07:23:21< dansan> Ahhh! thanks, I understand you now!! =)
20110415 07:23:33< dansan> no wait, I started javascript in early 96
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20110415 07:28:06< dansan> So Lua's support of arrays are strictly associative arrays then? (reading http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.3)
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20110415 08:52:06< dansan> :( :( I can't find the docs on the FLOATING_TEXT macro :(
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20110415 08:52:39< zookeeper> dansan, data/core/macros/interface-utils.cfg
20110415 08:52:43< dansan> it's not described in http://www.wesnoth.org/macro-reference.xhtml
20110415 08:52:47< dansan> ahh, ok, ty :)
20110415 08:53:25< zookeeper> the macro reference is probably out of date as is everything which isn't automatic...
20110415 08:54:32< dansan> Sweetness, it's nicely documented :)
20110415 08:56:13< dansan> Well, I want to sometimes display more than one item as floating text, and not have them overlap.  Ya think it would be legit to cause a pause for a few milliseconds and then do floating_text a second time?
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20110415 08:57:18< zookeeper> dansan, not in 1.8 but i think animations (including floating text) might currently play during [delay]s in trunk, so yes, maybe.
20110415 08:57:19< dansan> I don't see any option to offeset the floating text, other than having it come up from a different hex loc :(
20110415 08:57:29< dansan> hmmm
20110415 08:57:35< dansan> ok, ty
20110415 08:57:48< dansan> I'm just trying to update Living Caves (I suppose mostly to learn)
20110415 08:58:00< dansan> I swore 2 years ago I wasn't going to learn WML :)
20110415 08:58:06< dansan> but now it has Lua, so that's cool :()
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20110415 10:17:42< Ivanovic> moin
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20110415 10:30:30< dansan> Hey, I'm trying to get an effect to work and my variable isn't showing up :(
20110415 10:32:26< dansan> I'm doing it like this: castle="-$bonus"
20110415 10:32:26< dansan> Any ideas?
20110415 10:32:26< dansan> I'll pastebin it
20110415 10:32:26< zookeeper> good idea.
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20110415 10:32:37< dansan> here we go, http://pastebin.com/PZnih8jM
20110415 10:33:04< zookeeper> use [set_variable], not [variable]
20110415 10:33:34< dansan> ooohhhh!
20110415 10:33:52< dansan> thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
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20110415 11:23:28< dansan> hmmm
20110415 11:24:01< dansan> Am I mistaken, or should these two statements copy the value from the variable random into bonus and then subtract 21 from it? {VARIABLE bonus $random} {VARIABLE_OP bonus subtract 21}
20110415 11:24:50< shadowmaster> the correct spelling is substract
20110415 11:25:04< dansan> eeew
20110415 11:25:11< dansan> Is that UK english?
20110415 11:26:05< dansan> in the states, it's spelled subtract
20110415 11:26:09< dansan> interesting
20110415 11:26:51< shadowmaster> uh
20110415 11:26:57< shadowmaster> the correct spelling is "sub"
20110415 11:28:00< dansan> so should my variable_op say "sub" or "substract"?
20110415 11:28:03< shadowmaster> sub
20110415 11:28:08< dansan> ok, thanks
20110415 11:28:51< shadowmaster> fun. my English dictionary says "substract" doesn't exist, which means I've been doing it wrong all this time.
20110415 11:29:07< dansan> lol!
20110415 11:29:16< dansan> actually, it's spelled that way on the internet too
20110415 11:29:29< dansan> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wiktionary/en/wiki/substract
20110415 11:29:53< dansan> I guess it's an anagram
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