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20110417 00:44:52< dansan> Sweet! Lua plus WML events and Living Caves source is now 40k smaller! :)
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20110417 00:45:09< dansan> Still more ugly expansions to remove, but it's progress
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20110417 01:35:35< Frogger5> Hi
20110417 01:37:51< shadowmaster> hello
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20110417 02:03:14< dansan> Lo
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20110417 03:13:38< Taal> Hey guys, I need a little help..
20110417 03:13:55< shadowmaster> what's it about
20110417 03:14:30< Taal> I'm using version 1.9.4 on windows, and I'm attempting to create a lan game over a wireless network between my desktop and my laptop
20110417 03:15:00< Taal> We've tried every combination with the in game multiplayer options and the server file in the wesnoth folder doesn't seem to open
20110417 03:15:12< Taal> Is lan broken or am I retarded :P
20110417 03:16:11< shadowmaster> Taal: the host needs to use the Multilayer -> Host a network game option from the title screen
20110417 03:17:49< Taal> Yep, tried that and the player needs to use the connect to server option, connecting to the host computers IP?
20110417 03:18:02< shadowmaster> yes
20110417 03:21:11< Taal> I keep getting, "Could not connect to host"
20110417 03:21:35< Taal> wait
20110417 03:21:49< Taal> I've got it, thanks a lot shadowmaster
20110417 03:22:09< Taal> Not often you find a helpful IRC channel :P
20110417 03:23:08< shadowmaster> okay, glad I could help without doing anything! :p
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20110417 03:56:21< dansan> Hey, I'm getting this silly error message that I don't quite understand.  I delcare some Lua functions from the start event, but when I call one of them later from another event, I get this: http://pastebin.ca/2047322
20110417 03:56:23< dansan> Any ideas?
20110417 04:00:35< dansan> Here's more info: http://pastebin.ca/2047323  Also, it only happens some of the time :(
20110417 04:01:03< dansan> oh wait, I think it's only happening after a load.... I think I know why now...
20110417 04:01:28< dansan> Where's the best place to define lua functions that you'll be using later?
20110417 04:03:36< dansan> ok, nm, I found it (preload event)
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20110417 05:51:56< new_one> hi
20110417 05:52:32< new_one> earlier today I stumbled across the wiki page on server administration from IRC, and it really intrigued me
20110417 05:52:46< new_one> does anyone know how I could set this up on a local server for just my house?
20110417 05:55:33< Aethaeryn> new_one: what OS?
20110417 05:55:46< Aethaeryn> ah, irssi :-)
20110417 05:55:57< Aethaeryn> live long and prosper
20110417 05:56:04< new_one> :)
20110417 05:56:06< new_one> how did you know?
20110417 05:56:13< Aethaeryn>  /ctcp new_one VERSION
20110417 05:56:16< Gambit> CTCP
20110417 05:56:22< Aethaeryn> Plus, there's a giant conspiracy of everyone here using irssi
20110417 05:56:23< VurtualRuler98> CCCP
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20110417 05:56:33< Aethaeryn> So many of us host IRC off-site.
20110417 05:56:43< VurtualRuler98> I know a channel where mIRC is cool. Here, it's irssi.
20110417 05:56:46< sama> ok im -z- u here ? Mikael
20110417 05:57:10< new_one> cool, I only use irc to ask questions on linux stuff
20110417 05:57:15< Aethaeryn> new_one: shadowmaster is very knowledgeable about IRC
20110417 05:57:24< sama> http://gyazo.com/93a208d566f10145484494cbd601af81.png >> screenshot of wesnoth
20110417 05:57:30< Aethaeryn> Either he'll be happy to answer or he'll want to kill me now that I mentioned his name
20110417 05:57:33< Aethaeryn> We'll find out
20110417 05:58:00< new_one> oh thanks, is he coming soon?
20110417 05:58:06< Aethaeryn> He's omnipresent.
20110417 05:58:54< Aethaeryn> new_one: there's probably something called ircd
20110417 05:59:09< Aethaeryn> And you probably want to start it on a server
20110417 05:59:36< Aethaeryn> You most likely can configure it to only accept from an internal (local) IP if you have a router.
20110417 06:00:30< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: versioning random people on IRC without asking them beforehand may be considered offensive by some people.
20110417 06:00:38< new_one> don't worry!
20110417 06:00:52< new_one> for me it's fine, I didn't even know he could do that
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20110417 06:01:05< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: It is?
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20110417 06:01:12< shadowmaster> By some people, yes.
20110417 06:01:13< Aethaeryn> It's a good OS test on Freenode.
20110417 06:01:28< shadowmaster> The same goes for CTCP in general.
20110417 06:01:40< Aethaeryn> And the advice is very different for Windows vs. UNIX imo when it comes to server
20110417 06:01:52< shadowmaster> Well, not for ACTION, although some people would rather smack you in the face if you communicate with ACTIONs a lot.
20110417 06:02:22< VurtualRuler98> People complain about CTCP? Seriously?
20110417 06:03:27< Aethaeryn> there are some CTCPs that are annoying
20110417 06:03:34< Aethaeryn> like ping
20110417 06:03:50< shadowmaster> Depends on the client, mostly.
20110417 06:03:52< Aethaeryn> I can just imagine someone /ping spamming a chan 
20110417 06:03:58< new_one> do other people know if you do ctcp?
20110417 06:04:01< Aethaeryn> yes
20110417 06:04:06< shadowmaster> Irssi sends notifications about those to the Status window without highlighting.
20110417 06:04:14< Aethaeryn> 00:04:10 [Freenode] Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] requested CTCP PING from Aethaeryn: 1303013050 694735
20110417 06:04:16< shadowmaster> Other clients smack you in the face with the notice that you are being queried.
20110417 06:04:19< new_one> oh I see it
20110417 06:04:20< shadowmaster> In the active window.
20110417 06:04:21< Aethaeryn> Just an example
20110417 06:04:23< new_one> it was on the other window
20110417 06:04:35< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: And some IRC clients really are annoying when you're hilighted.
20110417 06:04:39< Aethaeryn> I have no problem being hilighted in irssi
20110417 06:04:45< Aethaeryn> since it just lights up the chan that I might otherwise be ignoring
20110417 06:04:50< VurtualRuler98> highlighted.
20110417 06:04:55< Aethaeryn> In fact, irssi is all about ignoring all except for one of dozens of windows :-P
20110417 06:05:11< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: I think hilighter is a brand or something, thus the confusion in spelling
20110417 06:05:16< shadowmaster> It's hard to not ignore when you've got a set-up like this. http://shadowm.ai0867.net/irssi-49.png
20110417 06:06:25< shadowmaster> I know some people who have as many as 700 windows.
20110417 06:06:40< shadowmaster> That's as many as 7 hundreds, or 70 tens. And that's terrible.
20110417 06:06:41< Aethaeryn> OMFG NOT THE DEFAULT LOOK
20110417 06:07:14< Aethaeryn> hmm, I'm only in 16 right now
20110417 06:07:29< new_one> I have one
20110417 06:07:46< VurtualRuler98> 700 is casual mode.
20110417 06:07:55< Aethaeryn> You really need over 9000.
20110417 06:08:00< VurtualRuler98> Casual.
20110417 06:08:03< Aethaeryn> In fact, join every large channel on every major network
20110417 06:08:09< Aethaeryn> A few thousand doesn't hurt anyone.
20110417 06:08:20< Aethaeryn> You have to know what's going on everywhere and log THE INTERNET
20110417 06:08:47< VurtualRuler98> I have infinite windows, my client is inclusive of all others.
20110417 06:08:49< VurtualRuler98> As well as itself.
20110417 06:08:50< shadowmaster> Fun fact: the largest public channel in this network is #ubuntu.
20110417 06:09:04< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: you can't have infinite windows
20110417 06:09:23< Aethaeryn> you can have lim t -> inf t = infinity
20110417 06:09:26< Aethaeryn> but not actually infinity
20110417 06:09:39< VurtualRuler98> You do realize I have everybody's windows repeatedly over and over?
20110417 06:09:40< Aethaeryn> It's very easy to write a script that gives you the limit of infinity actually
20110417 06:09:48< VurtualRuler98> Include a file in itself.
20110417 06:09:49< VurtualRuler98> Acquire infinity.
20110417 06:10:02< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: oh yeah? I don't just have the windows repeated over and over, I have them from OTHER UNIVERSES!
20110417 06:10:13< VurtualRuler98> But we're both infinity.
20110417 06:10:35< Aethaeryn> There exists at least one possible world in which #wesnoth didn't get hijacked by window contests and instead we actually helped new_one with his question
20110417 06:10:55< new_one> I'm enjoying this, I should come to irc more often
20110417 06:11:11< VurtualRuler98> Is that the world where nobody goes and assumes all FPSes suck, because all open source FPSes suck?
20110417 06:11:37< new_one> there are open source fps?
20110417 06:11:50< VurtualRuler98> Nexuiz is one, right? There was a continuation I can't spell.
20110417 06:11:55< VurtualRuler98> OpenArena, Sauerbraten.
20110417 06:12:17< VurtualRuler98> Technically, partially noted by the above ones, Quake III Arena's engine is GPL, just not the pk3s.
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20110417 06:14:00< jingjang> test
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20110417 06:14:08< VurtualRuler98> test post, please ignore?
20110417 06:14:10 * VurtualRuler98 upvotes
20110417 06:16:01< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: woah, just looked at that screenshot again... you actually use tabs on your terminal. I just tend to have 3-10 windows open
20110417 06:16:32< shadowmaster> separate windows are annoying, and I'm too stupid to use virtual desktops properly
20110417 06:17:40< Aethaeryn> right now I have two virtual desktops by task: one's GSOC and one's everything else, and then my desktop computer (other monitor) is math
20110417 06:17:44< shadowmaster> the problem with virtual desktops is that I may have more applications than I want open before logging off / shutting down / rebooting and KDE will resurrect them for me in those desktops next time I login
20110417 06:18:18< shadowmaster> I could disable that feature, but that'd mean losing state when I actually want to keep it
20110417 06:18:18< Aethaeryn> Even if I have dozens or more applications up, I always manage to clear it before going to sleep :-P
20110417 06:18:19< VurtualRuler98> All my desktop IRC windows are in a huge display panel, aligned next to eachother.
20110417 06:18:23< Aethaeryn> I'm a completionist.
20110417 06:19:05< VurtualRuler98> people talk about it like it's some sort of creepy information hub thing or whatever.
20110417 06:19:08< new_one> I just read through the "man wesnothd-1.8" and I did not see mention of irc
20110417 06:19:19< new_one> is there somewhere else I could look?
20110417 06:19:42< Aethaeryn> oh, *that*?
20110417 06:20:07< Aethaeryn> probably Gambit knew about it if it exists
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20110417 06:20:24< VurtualRuler98> dun dun dun
20110417 06:20:49< shadowmaster> new_one: wesnothd? IRC? I'm lost.
20110417 06:21:27< shadowmaster> if you are looking for advice on wesnothd setups, you could either post in the forums and be patient, or go to #wesnoth-dev or #wesnoth-mp and be patient (responses might be delayed as much as 2 days)
20110417 06:22:19< new_one> I have wesnothd running, but after reading the wiki page about server administration from irc, I was interested in how to do this on my own computer
20110417 06:22:24< Aethaeryn> new_one: if you read on the wiki about a feature that doesn't exist (and you might have) it could have been a GSOC proposal of this year or a past year
20110417 06:22:56< shadowmaster> new_one: what page is it?
20110417 06:23:12< new_one> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ServerAdministration_FromIRC
20110417 06:24:39< new_one> shadowmaster: is it better if I replied like this?
20110417 06:24:51< new_one> shadowmaster: tagging your name
20110417 06:25:14< shadowmaster> yes, if I stop paying attention
20110417 06:25:32< shadowmaster> or in the case multiple people are talking at the same time
20110417 06:25:56< shadowmaster> new_one: interesting; I think you'd need to ask Soliton.
20110417 06:26:29< shadowmaster> That feature exists, but IIRC it requires some more complicated setup involving wesnothd reading from a FIFO that can be written to by an IRC bot or something like that.
20110417 06:27:17< new_one> shadowmaster: thanks, I'll bug him if I have time tomorrow, tonight I'll look into it a bit on my own
20110417 06:27:23< shadowmaster> (FIFOs in the sense of Unix named pipes.)
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20110417 10:26:32< Taal> 100x100 random map with 4 players takes so long...
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20110417 20:35:53< dansan> Blueblaze: hey, I'm re-working one of your old maps. Would mind reviewing it before I re-release it (since it's your original work and has your name on it and all :)
20110417 20:36:15< dansan> Blueblaze: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=33597
20110417 20:37:03< Blueblaze> sounds cool
20110417 20:37:09< dansan> I converted some of the functionality to Lua (and I'm completely new to Lua, so...)
20110417 20:37:18< dansan> Yeah, I really really dig that map for single player to be honest ;)
20110417 20:37:31< dansan> It's a good map to do when you don't have a lot of time to play
20110417 20:38:23< dansan> I still want to convert the unit spawning to Lua (to reduce the WML & save game size) and then add some more "uber" upgrades from the Temple
20110417 20:38:38< dansan> Thanks! gotta run :)
20110417 20:40:01< dansan> oh yeah, and I eventually want to clean up the way the terrain masks are handled as well.  I rather like having them each in their own files because you can easily edit them that way, but I haven't figured out how to load files from Lua yet
20110417 20:40:24< dansan> hmm, I suppose I can put them in WML variables and then have Lua pick them up that way...
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20110417 21:26:16< ancestral> Gambit, are you familiar with phpBB links?
20110417 21:26:28< Gambit> you mean the bbcode?
20110417 21:26:39< ancestral> Could I craft a link that would always point to the last page in a thread?
20110417 21:27:02< Gambit> Oh the url parameters.
20110417 21:27:04< Gambit> No idea.
20110417 21:27:08< ancestral> e.g. &start=90 would start at the 90th post
20110417 21:27:13< ancestral> but not nec. the last post
20110417 21:29:19< ancestral> Cool
20110417 21:29:21< ancestral> I was right
20110417 21:29:38< ancestral> Gambit: If you put an insanely large number it'll load the last page
20110417 21:30:06< ancestral> like http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=29138&start=80085
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20110417 21:37:33< Cookiee> ancestral: Gambit's horrid .... as another :L
20110417 21:37:39< Cookiee> ask*
20110417 21:37:51< Gambit> Huh? Wha?
20110417 21:38:08< Cookiee> see he didnt even know you were speaking to him again
20110417 21:38:13< Gambit> Cookiee: What are you babbling about?
20110417 21:38:35< ancestral> For a moment I thought you were opposed to the number 80,085 ;-)
20110417 21:38:41 * Cookiee gets a book and slams it across Gambit's head like severus snape
20110417 21:38:57< Gambit> ancestral: So I'm googling this and there doesn't appear to be a url parameter for this
20110417 21:39:08< Gambit> just lots of seo tips xD
20110417 21:39:13< Cookiee> google.......
20110417 21:39:16< ancestral> Sure
20110417 21:39:19< Gambit> I mean a proper url parameter
20110417 21:39:26< ancestral> I'll just stick with large naughty numbers
20110417 21:39:53< Cookiee> how does numbers get the desrciption naughty?
20110417 21:40:13< ancestral> Heh
20110417 21:40:29< ancestral> Google is your answer
20110417 21:40:51< Cookiee> why?
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20110417 21:42:10< ancestral> :-\ search for the number I typed
20110417 21:42:15< ancestral> Cookiee: In other news
20110417 21:42:24< ancestral> I'll switch to off-topic :)
20110417 21:42:36< Gambit> There are latest post links on the forum but it looks like it just uses database queries to get the latest post when loading the page :(
20110417 21:42:49< Cookiee> hahah that news aye ;)
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