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20110504 01:32:08-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.8.6 planned for 11th May; string freeze for branches/1.8 | 202 bugs, 314 feature requests, 22 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20110504 02:48:09< CIA-82> wintermute * r49355 /trunk/ (58 files in 8 dirs): 
20110504 02:48:09< CIA-82> *new era: default+Kalifa for multiplayer play. Some issues remain: missing art
20110504 02:48:09< CIA-82> for a few units. CERTAINLY some unknown minor bugs/issues remain with things
20110504 02:48:09< CIA-82> like movetypes, wrong defense or mp for some terrain, wrong attack icons, sounds
20110504 02:48:09< CIA-82> etc. Testing is welcome!
20110504 02:48:10< CIA-82> *new map: 6p Volcano
20110504 02:48:11< CIA-82> *changelog/players changelog updated as well.
20110504 02:51:20< shadowmaster> Shakey: next time try to keep commits separate
20110504 02:51:36< shadowmaster> 1 commit for the new map and changelog updates, another commit for the new era and changelog updates
20110504 02:52:19< shadowmaster> that is, unless the above is truly an atomic change
20110504 02:52:21< happygrue_> shadowmaster: that was me
20110504 02:52:30< shadowmaster> bah
20110504 02:52:36< shadowmaster> happygrue_: that :p
20110504 02:52:45< happygrue_> yes, I was already just about to update the kalifa
20110504 02:52:55< happygrue_> I should have just done that and then the map next
20110504 02:53:01< happygrue_> but I put them together, oh well
20110504 02:53:02< happygrue_> noted
20110504 02:53:12< happygrue_> that makes sense
20110504 02:58:33< Gambit> So is it the Kalifa or the Khalifate? Because I've heard it both ways.
20110504 02:59:59< shadowmaster> That's a very good question.
20110504 03:00:16< shadowmaster> I remember people discussing about changing it to Khalifate, and it becoming known as the Khalifate afterwards
20110504 03:00:23< shadowmaster> now I see it is back as Kalifa.
20110504 03:00:25< shadowmaster> *shrug*
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20110504 06:31:27< fendrin> Ivanovic: ping
20110504 06:32:35< fendrin> Ivanovic: Just a thought on the kalifate: Since the mp server of trunk or the latest dev release is mostly empty and we need feedback on the khalifa, we might consider to add them to the new 1.8.6 release as well.
20110504 06:33:00< shadowmaster> no
20110504 06:33:23< fendrin> Why not?
20110504 06:33:30< shadowmaster> Adding new units to a stable release would create all kinds of nasty problems with stable releases' interaction in the MP server
20110504 06:33:46< shadowmaster> *also* with single-player add-ons depending on those units
20110504 06:34:28< shadowmaster> What should be considered instead is releasing a separate add-on for 1.8 introducing the Khalifate+Default era
20110504 06:34:47< fendrin> Ah yes.
20110504 06:35:00< shadowmaster> Espreon: never mind the crap I told you about umcpropfix.
20110504 06:35:20< fendrin> And maybe we include the Khalifate to default and create another classic era that lacks them like discussed on fosdem.
20110504 06:35:24< shadowmaster> happygrue_ committed a lot of files with DOS line format
20110504 06:36:36< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.ai0867.net/crlf.png ... :(
20110504 06:38:34< shadowmaster> well,
20110504 06:38:41< shadowmaster> 20110504 01:38:21 error display: could not open image 'units/kalifa/monawishy.png'
20110504 06:38:51< shadowmaster> happygrue_: ^
20110504 06:39:09< shadowmaster> this might require a wmllint and wmlscope run 
20110504 06:39:14< shadowmaster> potentially wmlindent as well
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20110504 06:42:52< shadowmaster> happygrue_: further more, the unit type ids are not standard
20110504 06:44:28< shadowmaster> same applies to the WML file names
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20110504 06:47:43< CIA-82> shadowmaster * r49356 /trunk/data/core/images/units/kalifa/ (23 files): 
20110504 06:47:43< CIA-82> Ran umcpropfix
20110504 06:47:43< CIA-82> *** Fixed: 23 files of 23
20110504 06:48:34< CIA-82> shadowmaster * r49357 /trunk/data/core/units/kalifa/ (26 files): 
20110504 06:48:34< CIA-82> Ran umcpropfix to reset EOL style
20110504 06:48:34< CIA-82> *** Fixed: 26 files of 255
20110504 06:52:07< CIA-82> shadowmaster * r49358 /trunk/data/core/units/kalifa/ (25 files): Ran wmlindent
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20110504 06:57:11< shadowmaster> happygrue_: this is the list of unresolved image references as found by wmlscope: http://pastebin.com/KWyupeQE
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20110504 07:02:10< shadowmaster> happygrue_: wmllint report: http://pastebin.com/P8meVVUN
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20110504 07:23:24< fabi_> shadowmaster: How can I remove shadow topics?
20110504 07:24:05< shadowmaster> go to the forum MCP and in the list of topics you should be presented with the option to remove shadow topics along each entry
20110504 07:25:53< shadowmaster> http://shaddowm.ai0867.net/st3.png , for example
20110504 07:26:01< shadowmaster> * http://shadowm.ai0867.net/st3.png
20110504 07:27:41< shadowmaster> fabi_: if you want to use that on the topic you moved to Workshop some minutes ago, I don't recommend it.
20110504 07:28:05< fabi_> shadowmaster: Oh, too late, just removed it.
20110504 07:28:35< shadowmaster> ah well, just one potential confused user reposting in the original source forum/asking elsewhere :p
20110504 07:29:08< fabi_> Yeah, especially since he is new and most likely does not know what is going on.
20110504 07:29:24< fabi_> Is there an undo for moderation functions?
20110504 07:30:46< shadowmaster> nope
20110504 07:31:12< shadowmaster> well, an alternative is moving the topic back and forth between the destination and source
20110504 07:31:34< fabi_> Well that has to wait till I am back from uni, thanks for your help :-)
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20110504 07:37:15< shadowmaster> fixed now
20110504 07:37:23< fabi_> thanks
20110504 07:37:25< fabi_> bye
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20110504 07:47:33< shadowmaster> description= _ "Fill this in!"
20110504 07:47:46 * shadowmaster raises both eyebrows.
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20110504 08:19:39< Crab_> Nephro: for me, the only docs google needed from a student was 1) a proof of enrollment ( scanned student id + self-made translation, if necessary) 2) shipping address 
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20110504 09:29:00< shadowmaster> go go gadget big-ass debug build
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20110504 09:32:00< Ivanovic> moin
20110504 09:50:19< shadowmaster> mordante: should I assign this to you? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?18099
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20110504 10:00:14< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49359 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-aoi/vi.po wesnoth-did/vi.po): updated Vietnamese translation
20110504 10:00:22< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49360 /branches/1.8/po/wesnoth-lib/vi.po: updated Vietnamese translation
20110504 10:04:26< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49361 /trunk/data/core/units/kalifa/ (14 files): change and unify the text for units without descriptions
20110504 10:14:56< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49362 /trunk/data/core/units/kalifa/ (10 files): 
20110504 10:14:56< CIA-82> add an (empty) description to the falcon
20110504 10:14:56< CIA-82> add/correct special notes text to all units, even if they have no normal description yet
20110504 10:16:11< Ivanovic> happygrue: this stuff might help you a little to have things "more clean"
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20110504 10:30:39< Ivanovic> noy: what is/was the plan for the descriptions of the khalifate?
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20110504 10:31:03< noy> I'll do them over the next few months
20110504 10:31:05< noy> when I have time
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20110504 10:35:07< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49363 /trunk/data/core/units.cfg: 
20110504 10:35:07< CIA-82> correct indention for the new races
20110504 10:35:07< CIA-82> add a "This race does not have a description yet." entry for the kalifa
20110504 10:35:15< Ivanovic> noy: there are the unit descriptions as well as the race description to be done
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20110504 10:35:37< noy> I know
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20110504 10:36:24< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: don't forget all the wmlscope complaints
20110504 10:36:44< shadowmaster> amongst which is a missing baseframe which creates an icon-less entry (and probably an invisible unit too) in the faction menu
20110504 10:37:46< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: heh, yeah, there is probably a lot to fix
20110504 10:38:27< Ivanovic> noy: it would be really great if you could find the time to look over the translateable strings used to make sure that the available stuff is fine
20110504 10:38:32< shadowmaster> wmllint also has a lot to say about descriptions, although I didn't check whether they all were of the "FILL ME IN" kind :p
20110504 10:38:42< Ivanovic> mainly unit type names as well as the race name
20110504 10:39:06< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: what it mainly had to say was "missing special notes block" or something along those lines
20110504 10:39:24< shadowmaster> a lot of those
20110504 10:39:37< Ivanovic> i should probably have fixed those
20110504 10:39:48< Ivanovic> might be nice to do another run of wmllint
20110504 10:39:58< shadowmaster> oh, and the unit type ids are not consistent with mainline standards
20110504 10:40:06< shadowmaster> same goes for the filenames
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20110504 10:57:09< Ivanovic> with other words: a lot is still to be done!
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20110504 11:26:23< Ivanovic> noy: just saw that a kalifa unit has marksman in close combat
20110504 11:26:37< Ivanovic> noy: would it make sense to introduce a different description/name for this one?
20110504 11:26:51< Ivanovic> since eg in german there is a significant differrence
20110504 11:31:19< Ivanovic> noy, happygrue: http://pastebin.com/10Dw9kWc
20110504 11:52:02< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49364 /trunk/data/core/units.cfg: 
20110504 11:52:02< CIA-82> some more tabs->spaces conversion
20110504 11:52:02< CIA-82> add an empty description to the falcons
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20110504 11:58:25< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49365 /trunk/data/core/units/kalifa/falcon.cfg: 
20110504 11:58:25< CIA-82> add another missing special_note
20110504 11:58:25< CIA-82> now the kalifate should basically be wmllint clean (minus a warning for the hakim, which is irrellevant!)
20110504 12:05:14< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49366 /trunk/data/ (98 files in 16 dirs): apply wmlindent on basically all of mainline
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20110504 12:25:46< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49367 /trunk/data/core/units/kalifa/ (7 files): fix icon names / make use of some "temporary" icons (adding TODO entries!)
20110504 12:26:21< Ivanovic> happygrue: this is the list of still missing images that are referenced (base frames!): http://pastebin.com/61UBGzue
20110504 12:27:30< Ivanovic> noy, happygrue: beside this things should now be in a "working" state (though the missing baseframes are of course something important that has to be fixed)
20110504 12:27:37< Ivanovic> current tasks that are still open:
20110504 12:27:58< Ivanovic> * fix the IDs and filenames to conform with mainline standards
20110504 12:28:04< Ivanovic> * add missing baseframes
20110504 12:28:12< Ivanovic> * work on descriptions
20110504 12:28:51< Ivanovic> all files are converted to mainline indention standards as well as "normal" line endings, so this stuff should be solved
20110504 12:30:20< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49368 /trunk/data/core/images/units/kalifa/ (23 files): apply wesnoth-optipng on the new khalifate images
20110504 12:30:49< Ivanovic> noy, happygrue: another thing to do: make sure that the faction/unit/attack names are as intended (eg Kalifa vs Khalifate)
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20110504 13:01:02< Nephro> Good morning :) 
20110504 13:24:39< happygrue> Ivanovic: Good morning.  So latest pastebin is the one to be looking at?  TSI mentioned he's working on getting all the final art together "today" and to poke him if it doesn't happen, so baseframes should be fixed soon
20110504 13:24:53< happygrue> discriptions are beyond my paygrade I think, which is why I ignored them
20110504 13:24:59< Ivanovic> happygrue: yeah, the latest paste is the one about missing images
20110504 13:25:09< Ivanovic> happygrue: have a look at the commit mails to get an idea what i actually changed
20110504 13:25:14< happygrue> unit ids I can look at, not sure what sthe standards are, but I ment to check for them and forgot
20110504 13:25:17< happygrue> okay
20110504 13:25:26< Ivanovic> especially regarding attack icons (left some "TODO" in there)
20110504 13:25:27< happygrue> also: Kalifate?
20110504 13:25:32< happygrue> I wish I had known
20110504 13:25:36 * happygrue rolls eyes
20110504 13:25:42< Ivanovic> i think it is "Khalifate", not 100% sure though
20110504 13:25:49< happygrue> I guess it is
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20110504 13:26:22< happygrue> but I knew that many thigns would come up - still seemed like commiting would be good, as it would be easier to identify what is a problem
20110504 13:26:38< Ivanovic> as you might have seen a lot should already be tackled
20110504 13:26:44< happygrue> yes, thanks!
20110504 13:27:03< Ivanovic> the main part is really converting things to "mainline formating"
20110504 13:27:18< happygrue> okay
20110504 13:27:30< Ivanovic> just compare with mainline units like eg drakes to get an idea how ids and file names are usually handled
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20110504 13:28:11< Ivanovic> and also check through the attacks, if those are really the names you want to have used
20110504 13:28:23< Ivanovic> off to have some food, should be back "soon"
20110504 13:28:40< Ivanovic> in general i think that the files seem to be working nicely
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20110504 13:31:02< happygrue> well that's good at least.  I was worried because the movetypes were so outdated and some of the other faction stuff took a few tries and it was somewhat guesswork.   For the flyer I didn't use the "FLY_MOVE" movetype because I was just trying to get them in while changing as little as possible
20110504 13:31:54< happygrue> but surely that should be changed too at some point.  I'll want to have another look in unit.cfg, or someone else who knows more about how that should be formated
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20110504 13:33:46< happygrue> anyway, I'll be busy this morning but I'll take a look at the unit ids sometime this afternoon
20110504 13:45:44< Ivanovic> happygrue: sounds good to me
20110504 13:47:17< Soliton> much of what has been checked and fixed would be good to integrate into wmllint...
20110504 13:47:45< Ivanovic> Soliton: the stuff i have fixed is already part of the tools
20110504 13:48:01< Ivanovic> meaning: the tools do warn about missing special notes
20110504 13:48:07< Ivanovic> and the tools do fix indention
20110504 13:48:25< Ivanovic> and there are tools to report broken image references
20110504 13:51:01< Soliton> sure, i mean the ID/file name stuff for example.
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20110504 14:30:52< Ivanovic> esr: in wmllint there is a "false positive" with the new khalifate units
20110504 14:31:04< Ivanovic> esr: one of those units has "heals +8" but *without* cure
20110504 14:31:16< Ivanovic> esr: because of this it complains about things missing in there
20110504 14:31:45< Ivanovic> the problem is that in all other cases heals +8 only appears with cures (removing poison)
20110504 14:31:59< Ivanovic> what do you think is the best way to get rid of the warning message?
20110504 14:43:33< happygrue> from commit emails looks like stuff just cleaned up, so thanks Ivanovic shadowmaster
20110504 14:44:11< happygrue> but it also looks like the original was reverted, so now I'm out of date with all my original files - but I should just throw those away now, right?
20110504 14:44:39< Ivanovic> "original was reverted"???
20110504 14:44:43< Ivanovic> what do you mean with this?
20110504 14:45:00< happygrue> well, it looked like all the changes were moved into a new revision number I should say
20110504 14:45:05< happygrue> by shadowmaster?
20110504 14:45:26< happygrue> which I assume was because I included two seperate changes in one commit
20110504 14:46:34< happygrue> but now all the kalifa stuff I commited is out of date in my SVN checkout - so I'm just confirming that I should pitch it all now
20110504 14:47:11< happygrue> my use of the lingo is not good, but do you see what I"m saying?
20110504 14:47:59< zookeeper> every commit increases the revision number by one, that's all there is to it.
20110504 14:48:33< zookeeper> so just do an svn update and you'll be up to date again.
20110504 14:48:39< happygrue> I should just update... right
20110504 14:48:51< happygrue> I get it now
20110504 14:48:53< happygrue> duh
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20110504 14:49:16< happygrue> I got all the art from TSI, all the baseframes and one portrait
20110504 14:53:44< FAAB> hi on rev 49368: Image: 'units/kalifa/monawishy.png~RC(magenta>3)' not found and won't be drawn.
20110504 14:55:05< happygrue> FAAB: 3 units are missing art, I'm about to update that now.  Thanks!
20110504 14:55:25< FAAB> happygrue: thank!
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20110504 14:59:41< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49369 /trunk/players_changelog: add missing entry in players_changelog
20110504 14:59:46< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49370 /trunk/po/wesnoth-utbs/ja.po: updated Japanese translation
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20110504 15:26:38< happygrue> regarding changing to Kalifate, was it talked about if that could be offensive?
20110504 15:26:58< CIA-82> wintermute * r49371 /trunk/ (33 files in 5 dirs): 
20110504 15:26:58< CIA-82> Updated all Kalifa baseframe art and added all missing baseframes. All Kalifa baseframe art is now 100% up to date.
20110504 15:26:58< CIA-82> Added portrait for Kalifa Hakim.png and updated the changelog/players changelog accordingly.
20110504 15:27:07< happygrue> FAAB: ^
20110504 15:28:30< happygrue> Ivanovic: I'll wait to change things over to Kalifate until I can talk to noy about the above question
20110504 15:28:45< Ivanovic> happygrue: okay
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20110504 15:35:58< happygrue> Ivanovic: about the above, all the artwork that TSI sent was noticably larger than what was there, I don't know if that's because of compression or quality or what, but just FYI.
20110504 15:36:10< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49373 /branches/1.8/ (changelog players_changelog po/wesnoth-lib/hu.po): updated Hungarian translation
20110504 15:36:12< Ivanovic> happygrue: that is because of compression
20110504 15:36:21< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49372 /trunk/ (8 files in 7 dirs): updated Hungarian translation
20110504 15:36:26< Ivanovic> happygrue: i will improve compression by applying utils/wesnoth-optipng
20110504 15:36:32< Ivanovic> the runjust needs some time...
20110504 15:36:32< happygrue> okay
20110504 15:38:47< CIA-82> zaroth * r49374 /trunk/data/multiplayer/factions/kalifa-default.cfg: changed default leader for Kalifa to random, as it is in other factions
20110504 15:38:49< CIA-82> zaroth * r49375 /trunk/data/core/units/kalifa/ (7 files): uncapitalized kalifa weapon descriptions
20110504 15:39:25< zaroth> the new faction seems fun, but certainly a lot of work ;-)
20110504 15:39:48< Ivanovic> zaroth: yeah, it is still "work in progress", but better having it all in the open and available
20110504 15:40:55< Ivanovic> happygrue: you might want to write a paragraph for the 1.9.6 announcement that mentions the khalifate
20110504 15:41:05< Ivanovic> just put it into RELEASE_NOTES in "forum syntax"
20110504 15:42:07< happygrue> I can do that in a bit, I'll wait until I talk to noy.
20110504 15:42:23< Ivanovic> sure
20110504 15:43:13< happygrue> also: where are the credits?  I should update myself as unless someone else changed me I think I'm there for campaign stuff, which is not really accurate anymore
20110504 15:43:25< zaroth> data/core/about.cfg
20110504 15:43:37< happygrue> thanks
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20110504 15:53:20< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49376 /trunk/data/core/images/ (28 files in 3 dirs): 
20110504 15:53:20< CIA-82> ran utils/wesnoth-optipng on data/core/
20110504 15:53:20< CIA-82> Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20110504 15:53:20< CIA-82> Original size: 399 KiB on 28 files
20110504 15:53:20< CIA-82> Optimized size: 294 KiB
20110504 15:53:20< CIA-82> Total saving: 104 KiB = 26% decrease
20110504 15:54:17< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49377 /trunk/data/core/images/portraits/kalifa/ (Hakim.png hakim.png): rename image: beware of case sensitivity!
20110504 15:54:22< Ivanovic> happygrue: okay, should be done now
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20110504 16:00:49< happygrue> cool, and noted -thanks.
20110504 16:01:46< happygrue> probably at least one unit (monawishy -> monawish I think) is misnamed but I need to talk to noy about all that stuff.  
20110504 16:03:42< Ivanovic> sure
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20110504 16:45:14< fendrin> hi Crab_
20110504 16:45:22< Crab_> hi, fendrin
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20110504 17:05:38< mordante> servus
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20110504 17:06:38< mordante> Ivanovic, (like soliton said) src/gui/dialogs/chat_log.cpp includes slider.Cpp instead of slider.Hpp
20110504 17:07:06< mordante> Ivanovic, I won't be around this evening so feel free to fix it ;-)
20110504 17:11:24< mordante> shadowmaster, yes please (it's a duplicate of https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?18000 but contains more information)
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20110504 17:29:44< mordante> I'm off again, bye
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20110504 18:17:07< CIA-82> anonymissimus * r49378 /trunk/data/core/units/kalifa/ (jundi.cfg mighwar.cfg monawishy.cfg): some spelling fixes (not wmllint-detectable)
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20110504 18:25:38< zaroth> a thought regarding http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=33718#p487339
20110504 18:26:08< zaroth> would anybody oppose to change default sorting to be by timestamp, not by first upload?
20110504 18:26:13< zaroth> Soliton: ^
20110504 18:27:15< zaroth> (I think it could be done in the campaign_server.cpp, every time an add-on is updated it would move to the top of the list)
20110504 18:27:36< zaroth> that way fresh and often updated add-ons would get some free publicity
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20110504 18:48:56< Ivanovic> noy: you saw happygrue's question regarding how the stuff should be named?
20110504 18:49:04< noy> no
20110504 18:49:34< noy> Ivanovic: I'm kinda busy the last week and will be for the next one
20110504 18:49:46< noy> so pinging me constantly about this isn't helping
20110504 18:50:11< Ivanovic> noy: the questions are basically: are the unit names correct atm and what should the race/faction be called
20110504 18:50:21< Ivanovic> [16:01:46] <happygrue> probably at least one unit (monawishy -> monawish I think) is misnamed but I need to talk to noy about all that stuff.  
20110504 18:50:36< noy> then he'll ask me about it
20110504 18:51:06< Gambit> noy: Also is it Kalifa or Kalifate ?
20110504 18:51:25< noy> I've answered this three times. Khalifate.
20110504 18:51:58< Gambit> Oh. Sorry.
20110504 18:55:39< noy> Ivanovic: happygrue Monawish 
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20110504 19:05:14< shadowmaster> happygrue: unit types still need to be fixed
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20110504 19:18:17< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: it would be good if you told happygrue the form they should have
20110504 19:18:31< shadowmaster> "like the rest of mainline"? :/
20110504 19:19:00< shadowmaster> I may actually move stuff around later if I havve some energy left at the end of the day
20110504 19:26:44< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49379 /branches/1.8/src/gui/dialogs/chat_log.cpp: fix typo
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20110504 20:04:23< Crab_> hi, Nephro
20110504 20:05:10< Nephro> hello, Crab_ :) Working on the aspect code at the moment
20110504 20:05:34< Crab_> good to hear that )
20110504 20:06:06< Nephro> Crab_: remember you said something about wrong usage of header includes in my code. I couldn't find that log, and don't remember what actually was wrong there
20110504 20:07:33< Crab_> if you have header A and header B
20110504 20:07:45< Crab_> and in A, you do #include "B"
20110504 20:08:04< Crab_> this might not be a best way of doing things, if you only need those things from B which can be done via a forward declaration
20110504 20:08:24< Crab_> it's better to do those fwd decls in A.hpp and do the #include "B.hpp" in the A.cpp
20110504 20:08:50< Crab_> that way, any users of A.hpp will not need to know about B.hpp, so, they will not need recompilation if B.hpp changes
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20110504 20:09:38< Nephro> That makes sense
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20110504 20:22:15< Nephro> Crab_: I've also encountered another problem, fighting the memory leaks. The handler->handle() method must receive a pointer to lua_object_base. if I need to pass the temporary lua object in from code in lua_engine.cpp (candidate action evaluation etc), I could pass a shared_ptr to handle the destruction. But when I need to pass the pointer from within the lua_object code(i.e. I need to pass this), I can't create a shared_ptr, since it will 
20110504 20:22:16< Nephro> call the destructor. I can't see an obvious clean solution for this, except for 'l = new lua_obj(); v  = l->get_value(); delete l; return v;'. but this would have to be done in many functions, and isn't too beatiful
20110504 20:22:56< Crab_> "I can't create a shared_ptr, since it will call the destructor" - can you explain ?
20110504 20:23:39< Crab_> if you call new() only in ctor args of shared_ptr's,  you will not need, ever, to call 'delete' directly
20110504 20:24:05< Nephro> shared_ptr to this will call the desctructor when it goes out of scope
20110504 20:24:25< Crab_> IF no other shared_ptr's are referencing this object.
20110504 20:24:33< Crab_> that's the reason it's called 'shared'
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20110504 20:24:52< Crab_> so, the dtor is only called when refcount reaches 0
20110504 20:25:29< Crab_> and, if you have a shared_ptr, and pass it as function argument, then the refcount will be 2 for the duration of the function, so, when the second shared_ptr will go out of scope, refcount will reach 1, so no dtor.
20110504 20:26:41< Nephro> Crab_: I know that, but when I tried implementing, it didn't work for some reason... That is, it worked, but the destructor was still called
20110504 20:27:33< Nephro> I'll try again anyway
20110504 20:27:56< Crab_> show the code in the pastebin, if there'll be strange things )
20110504 20:27:59< Crab_> it helps.
20110504 20:29:14< Crab_> generally, the good way to code there is 1) 'new' only as arg to shared_ptr object constructors, 2) no need to use delete, 3) use standard stl containers to store shared pointers, if necessary
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20110504 20:48:06< Nephro> Crab_: I'll finish that up tomorrow. The lab is closing at 8 today. I'll be here around 9 in the morning. Bye
20110504 20:48:21< Nephro> 9 would be 11 in your time
20110504 20:48:31< Crab_> bye
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20110504 21:21:53< zookeeper> zaroth, if you sort by latest update date instead of first upload date, then that sort of encourages everyone to just keep re-uploading in order to get the first spot.
20110504 21:22:31< zaroth> zookeeper: this kind of behaviour can be easily spotted and punished, can't it?
20110504 21:23:17< zookeeper> how exactly? you'd have to check if anything meaningful changed, not just if anything at all changed.
20110504 21:23:41< zaroth> zookeeper: I'd say that number of uploads would stand out if somebody really abused that...
20110504 21:24:16< zookeeper> i bet many people re-upload a lot of times just because they keep finding and fixing individual little issues
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20110504 21:24:41< zaroth> nothing wrong with that
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20110504 21:26:03< zaroth> well, I'd say that people are encouraged to do lots of reuploads even now
20110504 21:26:10< happygrue> shadowmaster: thanks, I had hoped to do that this afternoon but it's looking more like late tonight or tomorrow on the unit ids
20110504 21:26:16< zaroth> since the only measure of popularity in the client right now is the number of downloads
20110504 21:26:22< zookeeper> anyway, it'd require constant monitoring by someone to spot people who bump their add-on to the top of the list
20110504 21:27:09< zaroth> and by re-uploading many people are upgrading, redownloading and bumping up that number 
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20110504 21:28:10< happygrue> how to 'punish' though?  Seems like a lot of work to monitor and hard to seperate 10 legit uploads with some content and 10 with no change in content
20110504 21:28:32< zookeeper> and i don't only mean deliberate abuse of the system either. if i'm making a bugfix to my add-on and spot another bug, am i gonna fix the latter tomorrow and update then, or do the same but update today as well? of course i'd want to pick the latter because i know it'll get me to the top twice.
20110504 21:29:59< zaroth> anyway, IMHO it's much better to give that highlight to people who update their work (and maybe few abusers) than to give it unfairly to people who just happened to upload their work early (and maybe aren't updating it at all now)
20110504 21:30:34< zookeeper> basically that's a system 1) everyone would want to use to their advantage, 2) it'd be annoying if everyone keeps doing that and 3) it's difficult to say what's abuse of the system and what isn't
20110504 21:30:34< zaroth> that's the system that AFAIK e.g. android market uses
20110504 21:30:57< zookeeper> welll... how about random sorting as the default? :P
20110504 21:31:47< zaroth> (although they may be doing some restrictions to prevent highlighting a project more than once a day)
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20110504 21:33:08< zaroth> random... :/ (it isn't about idea, it's just my mindset because I was looking forward to meddling with campaign_server, and you obviously won't be randomizing on add-on server each time somebody downloads)
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20110504 21:33:54< happygrue> it would be good, in theory, to reward people who update their work frequently.  But who does the police work?
20110504 21:36:44< zaroth> I'd say do it without any "police" and see what happens (it's just a server change, so can be applied even to 1.8)
20110504 21:37:18< zaroth> if it becomes an actual problem, it can always be easily reverted (again, the default list (before sorting) is server-sided, so it's easy to change)
20110504 21:37:26< zaroth> and rethough
20110504 21:37:28< zaroth> rethought
20110504 21:37:31< zookeeper> zaroth, i agree that the current way isn't much (if any) better, but frankly the UI should just be better so that the default sorting isn't as much of an issue as it is now.
20110504 21:38:41< zookeeper> the most sensible default sorting i can think of would probably be by the number of downloads
20110504 21:39:37< zaroth> well, since I work currently (and will be working mainly till the end of GSoC) on other things, I'm just proposing a quick fix I'm willing to implement (and see how it turns out)
20110504 21:40:22< zookeeper> well, sure, i'm not against trying it out, especially if you put in a limit so that the same add-on can only be bumped to the top of the list once per day.
20110504 21:41:33< zaroth> hmm, just like sites aggregating content have sections "hot" "most popular" "highest rating", the add-on manager 2.0 could have something like that (maybe without the rating, since dev team seems to be opposed to that)
20110504 21:41:55< zaroth> but note that the default setting on these sites is almost never "most popular" but "hot" or "new"
20110504 21:42:27< zaroth> where "hot" usually uses some algorithm taking both freshness and popularity into account
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20110504 21:43:30< zaroth> that's to avoid promoting the same content the whole time and provide some rotation
20110504 21:43:59< zaroth> zookeeper: nice to hear that you're not opposed, I'll try it out when I'm bored with the mp campaign stuff again ;-)
20110504 21:44:03< happygrue> it would be interesting if "hot" could deal with the number of times that era/campaign/whatever is played in the past week/month or so, but that might vary widely depending on what type of addon it is.
20110504 21:47:00< zaroth> happygrue: that would take us to another level - binding content to add-ons (to recognize correctly stuff in games on server), and I don't think I'd want to implement that... ;-)
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20110504 21:49:21< zaroth> Soliton: ^ (the reason I'm pinging you about that is the amount of lines marked with "Soliton" I see when doing  "svn blame campaign_server.cpp" ;-) )
20110504 21:50:05< zaroth> (even more lines were changed by silene, but I never saw him on irc, so he's probably not active)
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20110504 22:41:06< anonymissimus> do we have a file in the source where debugging helpers belong to ?
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20110504 22:47:01< zaroth> anonymissimus: WML, C++? which area of code?
20110504 22:47:10< anonymissimus> C++
20110504 22:50:00< zaroth> anonymissimus: if you are doing GUI2 work, you should have a look at gui/widgets/helper.?pp
20110504 22:50:33< anonymissimus> no; I wrote some function to output the lua stack
20110504 22:50:34< zaroth> other than that, I didn't notice any specially designated helper files
20110504 22:50:40< anonymissimus> which I find useful
20110504 22:52:40< zaroth> well, I'd say to create lua_helper.?pp and put it there if you suspect it can be used across multiple files
20110504 22:53:18< zaroth> that being said, I'm quite new to codebase and did no work on lua so far - so you may want to wait on somebody better qualified to answer this ;-)
20110504 22:53:42< anonymissimus> no, wont commit that
20110504 22:54:26< anonymissimus> you read my answer on the [endlevel] thing ?
20110504 22:55:09< zaroth> I think I read it, but I don't remember it for sure now
20110504 22:55:39< zaroth> surely I'll pick it up again when I finally get all the guard defines= working in multiplayer ;-)
20110504 22:58:32< anonymissimus> your project is by far the most difficult one; all the other ones targeted side areas or new parts of the code
20110504 23:00:30< zaroth> I know what you mean, every now and then when I think about some aspects I find some new problems I haven't thought of before
20110504 23:01:58< zaroth> but at least, as Ivanovic said, my project has the luck of being an incremental and therefore rewarding one
20110504 23:02:17< zaroth> i.e. you get to see effects of your efforts quite quickly, which is motivating :-)
20110504 23:03:21< anonymissimus> I understood that is is intended in such a way that you will write new classes; the old code stays and is only used by umc from then on ?
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20110504 23:04:49< zaroth> if you mean whole new classes for the game/multiplayer logic, no, it would be crazy!
20110504 23:05:12< zaroth> it's rather incorporation of the play_campaign.cpp code to play_mp
20110504 23:05:19< anonymissimus> you'll modify the "living" code ?
20110504 23:05:47< anonymissimus> that is, playsingle_controller playmp_controller and playcontroller.cpp, mostly
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20110504 23:08:02< zaroth> yes, although most of my work is focused in multiplayer_create.cpp right now, since it's the dialog where these things/choices happen
20110504 23:09:09< anonymissimus> hm
20110504 23:10:19< zaroth> anonymissimus: anyway, I'm going to sleep now, looking forward to future discussions with you, I find your feedback very valuable
20110504 23:10:41< anonymissimus> thx ciao
20110504 23:11:01< zaroth> maybe you're interested in another discussion I sparked today about 21:21 (ordering in add-on manager)
20110504 23:11:26< zaroth> check the irc logs if you want, servus!
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20110504 23:16:00< cjhopman> btw, i think android market will only bump something up once a week
20110504 23:16:16< cjhopman> oh, zaroth left...
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