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20110505 00:15:44< happygrue> default+Khalifate are now available as an addon for 1.8, but I am getting a report that the art doesn't work on ubuntu - can anyone check that the addon is working on a linux box?  And why might that be?
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20110505 00:26:20< {V}> 20110504 11:26:23< Ivanovic> noy: just saw that a kalifa unit has marksman in close combat
20110505 00:26:42< noy> ...
20110505 00:26:59< {V}> Ivanovic: Duelist and Sword Dancer in http://www.wesnoth.org/units/1.6/C/era_EOM_e8.html have that too
20110505 00:28:04< {V}> same in http://www.wesnoth.org/units/1.6/C/era_EOM_e8.html
20110505 00:28:14< {V}> same in 1.8 http://www.wesnoth.org/units/1.8/C/era_EOM_e8.html
20110505 00:28:22< happygrue> there was much kerfuffle about using it on the assassin too
20110505 00:29:07< happygrue> as "marksmen" doesn't really seem like a good word for throwing daggers.  But there is something to be said for having fewer abilities
20110505 00:29:54< Espreon> Out of curiosity, who made the name list for the Kalifa?
20110505 00:30:51< Espreon> Yes, it is important for me to know.
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20110505 00:35:45< happygrue> Espreon: names of units are from noy
20110505 00:36:00< noy> and a guy from egypt that doesn't come on here anymore
20110505 00:36:36< Espreon> Well, I was talking about the stuff in the male_names= key.
20110505 00:36:47< Espreon> ... to be more accurate.
20110505 00:37:03< happygrue> not sure where that came from, actually
20110505 00:37:23< happygrue> is there a problem?
20110505 00:37:52< Espreon> Yeah, I need to replace the apostrophes with the correct characters. I can only fix one of them with my current knowledge...
20110505 00:38:10< Espreon> You see, those really aren't apostrophes, but representations of Arabic letters...
20110505 00:38:16< happygrue> ah
20110505 00:38:20< happygrue> off for a bit, sorry
20110505 00:38:25< happygrue> I"m sure we can work on it
20110505 00:38:43< Espreon> OK.
20110505 00:39:48< Espreon> Well, a lot of them are.
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20110505 00:40:01< Espreon> Ugh, I wish I didn't care about this stuff.
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20110505 01:01:25< shadowmaster> Espreon: don't we all?
20110505 01:01:56< Espreon> Yeah...
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20110505 01:53:49< CIA-82> shadowmaster * r49380 /trunk/data/ (27 files in 2 dirs): 
20110505 01:53:50< CIA-82> Rename all Khalifate unit type ids to match mainline conventions
20110505 01:53:50< CIA-82> Basically, this is: "unit-type" -> "Unit Type"
20110505 01:53:50< CIA-82> The exception to this rule is "qatif-al-nar", which became "Qatif-al-nar"
20110505 01:53:50< CIA-82> according to the translatable unit type name.
20110505 02:02:04< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: ought to be of interest to you (it's the website revamp thread) http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=487727#p487727
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20110505 02:08:34< CIA-82> shadowmaster * r49381 /trunk/data/core/units/kalifa/ (52 files): 
20110505 02:08:34< CIA-82> Capitalize Khalifate unit WML filenames
20110505 02:08:34< CIA-82> (I'm deeply sorry, Windows users.)
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20110505 02:09:16< shadowmaster> great, now I just need to do the Kalifa -> Khalifate crap
20110505 02:14:27< Espreon> And soon, the names shall be fixed...
20110505 02:14:36< Espreon> ... after I hand in my senior project portfolio.
20110505 02:16:26< shadowmaster> Espreon: what dost the names require in order to be repaired, O grandiose Lord o'flowery speech?
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20110505 02:17:15< Espreon> The apostrophes need to be replaced with proper representations of ayn, hamzah, and alif maddah.
20110505 02:17:32< shadowmaster> Speak English.
20110505 02:17:36< Espreon> shadowmaster: Since I don't know much about Arabic, I got a native speaker willing to help.
20110505 02:17:42< shadowmaster> We are a bunch of troglodites, remember.
20110505 02:18:02< shadowmaster> Espreon: what apostrophes?
20110505 02:18:05< Espreon> To keep it simple: most of those apostrophes aren't really apostrophes; they're makeshift representations of certain Arabic letters.
20110505 02:18:06< shadowmaster> I saw none :/
20110505 02:18:13< Espreon> In the male_names= key.
20110505 02:18:21< shadowmaster> what
20110505 02:18:28< Espreon> Look in units.cfg
20110505 02:18:37< shadowmaster> I worry about the unit type names, and you worry about stuff no user cares about?
20110505 02:18:37< Espreon> Those names should be in names.cfg, BTW.
20110505 02:18:40< shadowmaster> cool man
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20110505 02:20:40< CIA-82> shadowmaster * r49382 /trunk/data/core/ (macros/names.cfg units.cfg): Move Khalifate unit names to data/core/macros/names.cfg
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20110505 02:28:51< happygrue> shadowmaster: have you started Kalifa -> Khalifate yet?  I was planning to do that shortly
20110505 02:30:34< shadowmaster> yes, I already started
20110505 02:30:36< shadowmaster> and finished
20110505 02:32:04< CIA-82> shadowmaster * r49383 /trunk/data/ (29 files in 4 dirs): Kalifa -> Khalifate, step 1 (WML)
20110505 02:32:23< CIA-82> shadowmaster * r49384 /trunk/data/ (108 files in 5 dirs): Kalifa -> Khalifate, step 2 (directories and filenames)
20110505 02:35:08< CIA-82> shadowmaster * r49385 /trunk/data/core/images/units/khalifate/ (mighwar.png monawishy.png shuja.png): 
20110505 02:35:08< CIA-82> Ran umcpropfix
20110505 02:35:08< CIA-82> *** Fixed: 3 files of 26
20110505 02:36:56< happygrue> well hooray for that!
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20110505 02:41:04< happygrue> I notice that all leaders now have two options for "random" when selcting leaders in a mp game, could that be from what zaroth (I think) changed earlier?
20110505 02:41:52< shadowmaster> I was pondering that in other channel: 21:39:04 <shadowmaster> now to figure out why the faction menus have duplicate Random items
20110505 02:41:55< happygrue> it's not just Khalifate leaders though, it's all leaders
20110505 02:42:05< happygrue> ah
20110505 02:42:31< happygrue> I'm going to change monawishy-monawish now
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20110505 02:46:09< shadowmaster> indeed, it's because of r49331 (and the khalifate equivalent r49374)
20110505 02:46:18< shadowmaster> shikadibot: log 49331
20110505 02:46:20< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Revision 49331 (zaroth) on Thu Apr 28 12:11:25 2011:
20110505 02:46:20< shikadibot> shadowmaster: patch #2642 by faabumc: MP default era: Use random leader when pick faction
20110505 02:46:24< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=49331
20110505 02:46:52< shadowmaster> I really have no idea what's going on there
20110505 02:47:07< shadowmaster> wesbot: patch 2642
20110505 02:47:08< wesbot> Patch #2642  Assigned to: Lukasz Dobrogowski <zaroth>  Status: Done  Priority: 5 - Normal
20110505 02:47:11< wesbot> Summary: MP default era: Use random leader when pick faction
20110505 02:47:14< wesbot> Original submission: This patch allows to have the random leader selected when
20110505 02:47:17< wesbot>  a faction is picked. For example, if a player selects Loyalists, the random lea
20110505 02:47:20< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/patch/?2642
20110505 02:47:22< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/patch/download.php?file_id=12871
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20110505 02:53:04< CIA-82> wintermute * r49386 /trunk/data/ (6 files in 3 dirs): renamed Khalifate unit monawishy -> monawish
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20110505 02:55:53< shadowmaster> sigh.
20110505 02:56:23< shadowmaster> happygrue: did you use svn move?
20110505 02:56:57< happygrue> not by that name, but perhaps?  I apparently did something because my checkout is not happy
20110505 02:57:11< CIA-82> shadowmaster * r49387 /trunk/data/core/units/khalifate/Monawish.cfg: Ran umcpropfix to fix EOL format
20110505 03:01:52< CIA-82> shadowmaster * r49388 /trunk/data/core/units/khalifate/Tineen.cfg: Ran wmlindent
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20110505 03:19:13< CIA-82> shadowmaster * r49389 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/mp_connect.cfg: gui2: Fix mp_connect window description
20110505 03:22:16< CIA-82> shadowmaster * r49390 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/ (mp_connect.cfg mp_login.cfg): gui2: Set maximum_width to 800 for mp_login and mp_connect dialogs
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20110505 08:25:38< Soliton> zaroth: sorting issues do not belong on the server side. so if default sorting should be changed it would be client side.
20110505 08:27:44< Soliton> zaroth: why do you want to meddle with the current add-on server? (note that there is a rewrite from ilor in the works. not very actively though.)
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20110505 09:38:36< zaroth> hello
20110505 09:39:28< zaroth> cjhopman: didn't know that, no-more-than-weekly bumps seem OK to me as well for Wesnoth
20110505 09:39:51< zaroth> boucman: if you have questions, just write them, I do read the logs :-)
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20110505 09:42:45< zaroth> shadowmaster: duplicate? I didn't notice then when testing, will look into that
20110505 09:42:54< Ivanovic> moin
20110505 09:46:45< Ivanovic> {V}: what you are pointing out is usermade content
20110505 09:46:52< Ivanovic> {V}: what i am talking about is mainline
20110505 09:46:58< Ivanovic> there is a difference for me between those two
20110505 09:47:19< Ivanovic> personally i think it does not really fit, especially for translation people there *is* a problem
20110505 09:53:18< zaroth> well, if there is a need for this ability to be had both by melee and ranged units, it could just be renamed "accurate" or "accuracy"...
20110505 09:53:59< zaroth> to avoid connotations with archery
20110505 10:01:59< CIA-82> zaroth * r49391 /trunk/data/multiplayer/factions/ (7 files): reverted r49331 and r49374 for now, since it introduces a bug and isn't high priority
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20110505 10:08:01< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49392 /trunk/data/core/units/kalifa/: remove the empty kalifa folder
20110505 10:12:05< zaroth> Soliton: I considered changing add-on server code because 1. the current behaviour of client add-on manager is to simply accept the list from the server and display it by default in received order 2. because it could be applied to 1.8 easily then as well, by doing a small server-side change
20110505 10:14:01< zaroth> adding more features to add-on manager on client side is another issue, which is worth doing, but requires also substantially more work and therefore I probably won't do it during GSoC (maybe later, playing with GUI2 is fun)
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20110505 10:17:44< zaroth> as for the reasons of the change itself, it was discussed on IRC yesterday :-)
20110505 10:19:01< zaroth> Soliton: and where is the ilor's code of campaign server rewrite?
20110505 10:20:03< Ivanovic> zaroth: it might be in utils/, not 100% sure though
20110505 10:20:22< Ivanovic> hmm, no, it is not
20110505 10:21:57< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49393 /trunk/ (874 files in 27 dirs): 
20110505 10:21:58< CIA-82> pot-update
20110505 10:21:58< CIA-82> regenerated doc files
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20110505 10:35:30< Nephro> Morning. Why is there -Werror in the strict flags in CMakeLists.txt?
20110505 10:36:19< Nephro> I mean, isn't that a bit too harsh?
20110505 10:37:27< Nephro> e.g. I have 'T f(int L) {'
20110505 10:37:40< Nephro> return T();}
20110505 10:38:59< Nephro> argh, hate hitting enter that way :( Well, anyway, this a function, which I specialise for T later, but it doesn't compile, because of unused params treated as errors
20110505 10:39:52< cjhopman> comment out the parameter name
20110505 10:39:56< cjhopman> in the definition
20110505 10:40:16< Nephro> cjhopman: yeah, did that already :) Wasn't sure that it would help, but it did
20110505 10:41:00< zaroth> Nephro: I saw f(int /*foo*/) a lot in Wesnoth's code ;-)
20110505 10:42:06< Nephro> I decided to just get rid of the var names instead of commenting out. Not much point in them anyway, since they aren't used at all
20110505 10:42:50< zaroth> Ivanovic: I'd like to recommend Crendgrim as wiki admin, since this topic http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=33626 seems to be abandoned and he seems to be *the* policeman of wiki already ;-) http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Special:Contributions/Crendgrim
20110505 10:43:31< zaroth> emptying spam pages instead of removing them isn't that desired probably...
20110505 10:47:04< Ivanovic> hmm, i just need to remember how to do so...
20110505 10:47:20< Ivanovic> (promoting someone to sysop or how it is called)
20110505 10:47:28< Ivanovic> and of course i got to ask him about it
20110505 10:51:16< Ivanovic> hmm, i don't see a link for me allowing to change preferences
20110505 10:51:22< zaroth> well, he seems to be interested
20110505 10:51:44< Ivanovic> looks like i'd have to be member of the group "Bureaucrat" which i seem not to be
20110505 10:51:55< Ivanovic> so you should ask crab_ or shadowmaster to do the promotion stuff
20110505 10:52:12< Ivanovic> he (Crendgrim) has my okay, in case it maters
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20110505 10:54:45< zaroth> Ivanovic: well, I asked you first because of "He has administrative powers in most areas" in http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_People_to_bug_on_IRC#Nils_Kneuper_.28Ivanovic.29 ;-)
20110505 10:55:29< Ivanovic> yeah, i tend to do and am surprise that i am not in the group (and don't want to access the DB directly to cheat)
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20110505 11:02:00< {V}> Ivanovic, re: marksman, thanks. I had not realised that.
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20110505 13:15:45< Nephro> can someone point me to code that uses the value in the config? value = cfg["value"]; compiled well in MSVC, doesn't compile on gcc
20110505 13:16:12< Nephro> (as doesn't half of my written code, note to self, never use msvc again)
20110505 13:22:41< {V}> Nephro, src/ai/composite/value_translator.hpp and src/serialization/preprocessor.cpp according to grep (in 1.8.x at least, sorry no current checkout of 1.9.x)
20110505 13:23:00< Nephro> thanks {V}
20110505 13:23:03< {V}> what's the error gcc gives you?
20110505 13:23:27< Nephro> error: ambiguous overload for 'operator=' in 'value = ((const config*)cfg)->config::operator[](((const std::string&)(& std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >(((const char*)"code"), ((const std::allocator<char>&)((const std::allocator<char>*)(& std::allocator<char>())))))))'
20110505 13:27:18< Nephro> value = (std::string)cfg["value"]; // seems to solve the issue
20110505 13:27:39< Nephro> don't know, how  clean that is in C++, but at least compiles for now
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20110505 13:37:09< Nephro> wow, I managed to compile it finally, long time that didn't happen
20110505 13:38:15< Nephro> argh, linker errors <3
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20110505 13:42:13< {V}> Nephro, was that 'less than 3' or a heart ? :)
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20110505 13:42:57< Nephro> Heart, of course... Template specialisation is a real pain
20110505 13:45:02< fendrin> hello
20110505 13:45:56< Nephro> hello fendrin
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20110505 13:56:46< Crab_> hi, Nephro
20110505 13:57:45< Nephro> hello, Crab_ :) Struggling with the code atm. Got it to compile, now fighting linker errors
20110505 13:57:57< Crab_> good
20110505 13:58:17< Crab_> ( (std::string)cfg["value"] is not clean c++, btw )
20110505 13:58:38< Crab_> afair you can find some usage of   config::attribute_value in the code
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20110505 14:03:15< Nephro> I'll do that, once I solve the linker errors
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20110505 14:10:30< Nephro> Crab_: I've derived a new class ""
20110505 14:10:32< Nephro> template<class ASPECT>
20110505 14:10:33< Nephro> class register_lua_aspect_factory : public aspect_factory
20110505 14:11:13< Crab_> ok
20110505 14:11:17< Nephro> for lua aspect factories, because they need to call aspect constructors with an additional parameter
20110505 14:11:28< Crab_> yes
20110505 14:11:36< Nephro> In function `ai::register_lua_aspect_factory<ai::lua_aspect<double> >::~register_lua_aspect_factory()':
20110505 14:11:37< Nephro> registry.cpp:(.text._ZN2ai27register_lua_aspect_factoryINS_10lua_aspectIdEEED2Ev[_ZN2ai27register_lua_aspect_factoryINS_10lua_aspectIdEEED5Ev]+0x3): undefined reference to `vtable for ai::aspect_factory'
20110505 14:11:49< Nephro> this is the linker error I get
20110505 14:12:31< Nephro> sorry, for the pastes, Konversation doesn't let me to delete tha newlines and submits it right after ctrl + v 
20110505 14:13:39< Nephro> Do you have any ideas, what could cause such errors?
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20110505 14:14:29< Crab_> do you have any virtual function from that class in a .cpp file ?
20110505 14:15:11< Nephro> No, I don't see any factory related code in .cpp files
20110505 14:16:02< Crab_> can you put at least one virtual function from that class in a .cpp file ?
20110505 14:17:02< Crab_> (and, if it's a new cpp file, make sure it's included in a list of files built by your buildsystem)
20110505 14:17:50< Crab_> Nephro: note http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4593234/undefined-reference-to-vtable-virtual-member-classes-generated-by-gsoap
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20110505 14:18:48< Nephro> Crab_: why should the get_new_instance() be virtual in the child classes?
20110505 14:18:48< Ivanovic> Crab_: have you seen the logs?
20110505 14:18:55< Ivanovic> Crab_: the part about wiki admin stuff
20110505 14:19:02< Crab_> Ivanovic: yes
20110505 14:19:20< Ivanovic> Crab_: could you hand me the powers you have and make cendgrim admin?
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20110505 14:21:22< Crab_> Ivanovic +=Bureaucrat,  Crendgrim += Administrator, http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Special:UserRights
20110505 14:21:58< Ivanovic> ah, lovely
20110505 14:22:04< Ivanovic> thanks
20110505 14:22:08< Crab_> np
20110505 14:22:24< Crab_> (I had to add myself to all those groups via SQL back then)
20110505 14:22:35< Ivanovic> :)
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20110505 14:26:17< Crab_> Nephro: it's not that required. just a code style thing
20110505 14:27:13< Crab_> Nephro: having 'virtual' on the base class is enough
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20110505 14:27:37< Nephro> Crab_: that's what I thought
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20110505 14:39:23< Nephro> Crab_: what of http://ideone.com/3HBx3 can be actually put in a .cpp file?
20110505 14:40:42< Crab_> Nephro: I think that there's different problem there...
20110505 14:41:15< Crab_> you haven't implemented the methods in the base class, get_new_instance
20110505 14:41:36< Crab_> you should either mark them as pure virtual, or implement them
20110505 14:42:50< Nephro> Crab_: ah, ok...
20110505 14:43:22< Crab_> also, I think that you will need a different base  class for your lua aspect factory stuff
20110505 14:44:09< Crab_> or you can do dummy implementations in the base class
20110505 14:45:22< Nephro> Yeah, dummy impls sound right, since if the methods are pure virtual I'll have to implement them in both child classes
20110505 14:45:47< Nephro> And another base class sounds like more code duplication
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20110505 15:08:03< Nephro> Crab_: I actually went with the second base class definitions, since it looks cleaner and safer this way. it all compiled and linked. I'll go home grab something to eat and come back later to clean up and test
20110505 15:09:20< Crab_> ok, good
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20110505 16:04:22< CIA-82> wintermute * r49394 /trunk/data/multiplayer/maps/6p_Volcano.map: visual update to mp map 6p Volcano
20110505 16:07:21< CIA-82> wintermute * r49395 /trunk/data/core/images/units/kalifa/: removed empty imgages directory
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20110505 16:13:04< Crendgrim> Crab_, zaroth, Ivanovic: Thank you a lot :)
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20110505 17:10:23< CIA-82> anonymissimus * r49396 /trunk/changelog: 
20110505 17:10:23< CIA-82> changelog entry for r48921 which I had forgotten
20110505 17:10:23< CIA-82> (too bad 1.9.5 has been released)
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20110505 18:34:41< zaroth> to anybody who has an account on bugs.kde.org: could you spare some votes on this kdevelop bug? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=270892 it's really annoying when I try to modify this part of code
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20110505 18:35:16< Crab_> zaroth: ah, that bug ))
20110505 18:35:58< zaroth> yes, yesterday I forgot again about this and kdevelop froze my computer to this point that I had to restart
20110505 18:36:27< Crendgrim> zaroth: done
20110505 18:36:47< zaroth> thanks crend :-)
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20110505 20:19:39< mordante> servus
20110505 20:22:25< mordante> Nephro C-style casts are ugly in C++ use the C++ style casts
20110505 20:22:59< mordante> Nephro also best post your code the config class has a few caveats
20110505 20:26:57< mordante> Nephro regarding http://ideone.com/3HBx3 best put the definition of the static function aspect_factory::get_list in the .cpp
20110505 20:27:48< mordante> Nephro some linkers don't like a static variable in the header
20110505 20:28:41< Crab_> mordante: the code is a copy of code which was in wesnoth for ~2 years, so, as itself, it'll work
20110505 20:30:04< mordante> Crab_, ok, I'm also quite sure it's valid in C++ but somebody ran into trouble with the widget types member for some version of ld
20110505 20:30:22< Crab_> ok
20110505 20:31:21< mordante> but that was a static std::string so might be the difference, since this is a simple pointer
20110505 20:37:35< Sytyi> mordante: hi! 
20110505 20:38:45< mordante> hi Sytyi 
20110505 20:44:41< mordante> Sytyi, how are things going?
20110505 20:49:48< Sytyi> mordante: I'm sorry, but I'm spending much more time on university
20110505 20:50:08< Sytyi> mordante: I don't know, had you seen message 
20110505 20:50:36< Sytyi> mordante: so one's more- annotated a little amount of tags
20110505 20:50:41< mordante> Sytyi, which message?
20110505 20:50:51< Sytyi> mordante: and creted wiki page about gormat
20110505 20:51:41< mordante> yes I did also had a look at that wiki
20110505 20:53:04< Sytyi> mordante: It is just a beginning
20110505 20:53:09< mordante> yes
20110505 20:54:03< Sytyi> mordante: I hope to finish 1 or two of course projects this holidays, and start real work. 
20110505 20:54:17< mordante> do you have time to discuss some GSoC things on Sunday?
20110505 20:54:40< mordante> I probably won't have time tomorrow and Saturday
20110505 20:55:24< Sytyi> mordante: Yes! 
20110505 20:55:33< Sytyi> mordante: Say time. 
20110505 20:56:14< mordante> 14:00 GMT?
20110505 20:56:28< Sytyi> good
20110505 20:56:55< mordante> ok great :-)
20110505 20:57:09< Sytyi> mordante: I really wish summer to start
20110505 20:58:27< zaroth> hey mordante
20110505 20:58:40< mordante> Sytyi, :-) 
20110505 20:58:42< mordante> hi zaroth 
20110505 20:58:46< Sytyi> mordante: /offtopic An interesting thing : Our university has 6 GSoC 2011 participants. 3 from 3-rd year, and 3 from last year
20110505 20:58:52< zaroth> you know as I'm reading further into GoF, I really fall into the hammer problem you described
20110505 20:59:23< mordante> Sytyi, cool, does your university promote GSoC to its students?
20110505 20:59:32< zaroth> I have an unfinished Android game project waiting for some love some time, and I could see an application of nearly every pattern in it... ;-)
20110505 21:00:02< mordante> zaroth, yeah it's common ;-) on the other hand the patterns are fun to practice
20110505 21:00:25< mordante> and once the novelty wears of you have another tool in your toolbox :-)
20110505 21:01:04< zaroth> I guess I will go crazy on applying the patterns in this game, this will allow me to do damage control to just this one project :D
20110505 21:01:20< mordante> :-)
20110505 21:01:50< mordante> hopefully you also learn in the process for which application the pattern was good and for which one not?
20110505 21:01:55< mordante> s/?/./
20110505 21:01:59< zaroth> hopefully
20110505 21:02:19< Sytyi> mordante: earlier GSoC  paricipants wrote a lot of advices in caphedral forum. and university does not support participants (i e making less labs and something like this). 
20110505 21:03:07< mordante> Sytyi, no I was more wondering whether the university told students about gsoc and pointed them to information about it
20110505 21:03:19< mordante> some universities seem to do that
20110505 21:03:28< Sytyi> mordante: Not at all. Only forum topics
20110505 21:03:34< mordante> ok
20110505 21:03:46< mordante> but cool to see students promoting it :-)
20110505 21:04:18< mordante> I really think being a GSoC student can learn you a lot about software engineering
20110505 21:04:36< zaroth> s/learn/teach/
20110505 21:04:45< Sytyi> mordante: and My group header teacher made one meeting with earlier participant. That was a reason I started.
20110505 21:05:00< mordante> especially regarding working on a larger project and with a larger group of developers
20110505 21:05:17< mordante> thanks zaroth 
20110505 21:05:24< mordante> Sytyi, nice
20110505 21:05:32< zaroth> I can't help it sometimes
20110505 21:06:01< Sytyi> mordante: Yes. While speaking with you I learned very much. And I think  during summer I 'll earn even more
20110505 21:06:26< mordante> zaroth, well grammar errors happen, especially if they feel good in your native tongue
20110505 21:06:36< mordante> Sytyi, I hope you do
20110505 21:07:43< Sytyi> mordante: Nice to see you, but I need to work on Java coursework. 
20110505 21:07:56< mordante> ok, I'm also about to leave
20110505 21:08:06< mordante> good luck with your homework
20110505 21:08:15< Sytyi> mordante: so, good night to everybody. )
20110505 21:09:21< Sytyi> mordante: Aw, good luck is something we need. My teemmate hard disc with part of coursework is broken. We are waitng service repairing and hope to restore sources.
20110505 21:09:47< Sytyi> mordante: It was bad day, when he forgot to commit ((
20110505 21:10:06< Sytyi> mordante: Thanks. 
20110505 21:11:33< mordante> Sytyi, autsch, well hope it can be recovered
20110505 21:12:22< zaroth> Sytyi: what's your forum account? I see only 4 members in GSoC group, you were probably removed by mistake if your nick wasn't instantly recognizable
20110505 21:12:55< Sytyi> zaroth: Wesnoth forum or Google-melange?
20110505 21:13:00< zaroth> wesnoth forum
20110505 21:14:17< Sytyi> zaroth: I don't remember if I registred there.   
20110505 21:15:06< Sytyi> zaroth: I registred, but dont spend much time there. 
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20110505 21:18:57< mordante> I'm off night
20110505 21:19:05< Sytyi> mordante: bye
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20110505 21:19:28< Sytyi> zaroth: can you provide a link or something like that?
20110505 21:19:43< zaroth> Sytyi: erm, to what?
20110505 21:19:46< zaroth> to gsoc group?
20110505 21:19:59< Sytyi> zaroth: yes.
20110505 21:20:00< zaroth> http://forums.wesnoth.org/memberlist.php?mode=group&g=6644
20110505 21:21:03< Sytyi> zaroth: I think I forgot to provide my Nickname in application.
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20110505 21:23:47< zaroth> well, I just find it a bit pitiful that I'm (and timotei) the only one actively posting in the forum from the GSoC group
20110505 21:24:14< zaroth> remember that currently forum is *the* place if you want some user feedback, i.e. people who will actually use your changes :-)
20110505 21:25:02< zaroth> I don't know how many people will be interested in WML validator, but you may gather some insightful comments there
20110505 21:25:09< zaroth> maybe some ideas as well
20110505 21:25:44< zaroth> and it also helps realize the last point from the google list of dos and don'ts : http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/03/dos-and-donts-of-google-summer-of-code.html ;-)
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20110505 21:27:35< Sytyi> zaroth: :) I think that mordante is very interested. and when the tool will be seeming to work, maybe timotei will be interested too. Users will be interested in validator for unpreprocessed WML , but it is  very diifficult, and I think v-r for un pre-sd WML schould be written first  
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20110505 21:28:11< zaroth> tschmitz: ^ since your project (whiteboard) is even closer to users, you may find it quite easy to get people on forum to get excited over your changes
20110505 21:29:12< Sytyi> zaroth: Nowadays the user-interface parts are build system integrating, and error messages . 
20110505 21:30:31< zaroth> Sytyi: I think you would easily get lots of free testing from umc authors about the error message parts if you ask them about it (maybe it's too early now though, I admit that I don't know details of your project)
20110505 21:31:26< Sytyi> zaroth: You are right! It's just too early.
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20110505 21:32:13< zaroth> Nephro: ^ (although your project seems to be deep-inside...)
20110505 21:32:37< zaroth> well, I did what I could do to encourage other gsoc participants, so I can feel less alone when posting ;-)
20110505 21:32:58< zaroth> good luck with your projects :-)
20110505 21:34:45< Sytyi> zaroth: :))
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20110505 21:39:22< Sytyi> zaroth: good luck you,too
20110505 21:39:29< Sytyi> zaroth: bye :)
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20110505 21:42:36< zaroth> bye sytyi :-)
20110505 21:42:49< Sytyi> zaroth: Thanks for advices )
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20110505 23:37:46< boucman> hey al
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20110505 23:37:56< Soliton> fendrin: http://gna.org/bugs/?18105
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