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20110506 00:29:19< shadowmaster> esr: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=33755
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20110506 04:41:37< esr> shadowmaster: I named that river, and I've never played WoW and didn't know there's a Listra in it.
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20110506 05:33:51< shadowmaster> esr: thanks. I have replied accordingly.
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20110506 08:43:18< fendrin> Soliton: Thanks.
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20110506 09:27:54< zookeeper> durr. whether to fix the feeding duplication by 1) changing the macro to ABILITY_FEEDING_TYPE and thus needing to always specify the unit type when calling it or 2) fix it with a WML hack which doesn't require any changes to the macro header but which would only work about 99.99% of the time.
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20110506 09:36:56< CIA-82> zookeeper * r49397 /trunk/data/core/macros/abilities.cfg: Sort of fixed bug #17527 (Feeding ability doubles) WML-side. The fix doesn't work in every imaginable situation though (the exceptions should be very rare), so a proper engine-side fix is still wanted eventually.
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20110506 09:46:34< Ivanovic> moin
20110506 09:52:20< Crab_> hello, Ivanovic
20110506 09:53:06< Crab_> is there anything extra that can be done wrt 1.8 (apart from some gui bugfixes for my new dialog, that shadowmaster has suggested) ?
20110506 09:54:24< Ivanovic> off the head i know nothing
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20110506 09:57:30< Ivanovic> there are probably several issues that were fixed nicely in trunk and *could* have been backported, but were never really considered since we thought there would be no more 1.8.x release after 1.8.5
20110506 09:59:42< shadowmaster> !log 48572
20110506 09:59:44< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Revision 48572 (shadowmaster) on Sun Feb 20 07:39:35 2011:
20110506 09:59:48< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Don't display team-based map labels to observers (bug #9648)
20110506 09:59:49< shikadibot> shadowmaster:  
20110506 09:59:49< shikadibot> shadowmaster: There's a glitch where if a player becomes observer due to the host's
20110506 09:59:53< shikadibot> shadowmaster: (+2 discarded lines)
20110506 09:59:54< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=48572
20110506 10:00:46< shadowmaster> possibly 
20110506 10:00:51< shadowmaster> !log 48573
20110506 10:00:52< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Revision 48573 (shadowmaster) on Sun Feb 20 08:07:33 2011:
20110506 10:00:56< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Force gamemap label refreshing on controller switch events (i.e. :control)
20110506 10:00:59< shikadibot> shadowmaster:  
20110506 10:01:02< shikadibot> shadowmaster: This effectively fixes the glitch noted in 48572, and possibly others
20110506 10:01:03< shikadibot> shadowmaster: (+1 discarded lines)
20110506 10:01:04< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=48573
20110506 10:01:20< Crab_> (I will check out 1.8 anyway on weekend to improve the dialog stuff, so if there's small stuff that should be in, I can backport it)
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20110506 10:01:47< shadowmaster> I guess the real reason I have not backported these two is that no-one has reviewed them for backporting.
20110506 10:02:24< Crab_> both should be harmless
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20110506 12:27:34< Ivanovic> boucman, Crab_, esr, fendrin, happygrue_, loonycyborg, mordante, shadowmaster, Soliton, zaroth, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: what do you think of releasing 1.9.6 on sunday?
20110506 12:27:52< Ivanovic> are there any bugs/problems/blocker preventing this?
20110506 12:27:57< Crab_> fine for me.
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20110506 12:28:22< Ivanovic> i have the impression that eg the khalifate are working as intended, so a release makes sense
20110506 12:29:21< loonycyborg> Are there any SP campaigns with khalifate already?
20110506 12:30:23< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: no
20110506 12:30:33< Ivanovic> they are only a multiplayer faction in an additional era
20110506 12:30:42< Ivanovic> and there won't be a singleplayer campaign with them for a while
20110506 12:30:58< loonycyborg> Even on the addon server?
20110506 12:31:00< Ivanovic> (hey, even the drakes that have been there for *ages* got no (mainline) campaign yet)
20110506 12:31:24< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: the problem so far is/was that they were not available and just an "internal project"
20110506 12:33:27< zookeeper> Ivanovic, fine by me
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20110506 12:36:54< fendrin> Ivanovic: What about the missing images for the khalifa?
20110506 12:37:02< Ivanovic> fendrin: which missing images?
20110506 12:37:07< Ivanovic> all images are there now
20110506 12:37:30< Ivanovic> that is: yeah, they need images for animations and portraits, but beside this the units are there
20110506 12:37:35< Ivanovic> all have at least a baseframe
20110506 12:37:48< fendrin> okay
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20110506 12:41:17< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49398 /trunk/data/core/images/portraits/ (kalifa/ khalifate/): move the portrait folder for the khalifate
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20110506 13:17:01< Crendgrim> wait.. what? The Khalifate are finally in? 
20110506 13:17:26 * Crendgrim goes checking out SVN ...
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20110506 13:32:09-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.8.6 planned for 11th May; string freeze for branches/1.8 | 206 bugs, 315 feature requests, 23 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20110506 13:34:13-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.9.6 planned for sunday | 1.8.6 planned for 11th May; string freeze for branches/1.8 | 206 bugs, 315 feature requests, 23 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20110506 14:01:25< Nephro> good day
20110506 14:01:46< Nephro> zaroth: you pinged me yesterday, but I didn't get your message
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20110506 14:17:06< happygrue_> Ivanovic: I need to write some release notes and I have some balance changes to do but I can do both of those things today
20110506 14:17:40< Ivanovic> happygrue_: sounds good to me
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20110506 14:33:09< Nephro> Can some1 take a peak on how large their debug build is?
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20110506 15:47:01< zaroth> Ivanovic: great for me, I'll feel much better about commiting my changes and accidentally breaking trunk than commiting and breaking trunk-soon-to-be-released ;-)
20110506 15:48:30< zaroth> Nephro: you can read irclogs from yesterday, basically my whole why-aren't-you-posting-on-forum encouragement rant that I had with Sytyi applies to you and tschmitz as well
20110506 15:49:36< zaroth> Nephro: and size of my debug build is 1.4 GB, with wesnoth binary itself taking 449 MB (this build is about ~100 commits outdated)
20110506 15:50:12< Nephro> ah, not much to post there yet, since atm I am still struggling with aspect code(actually atm I am struggling with cmake, broke smth and now it went mad)
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20110506 16:03:55< Ivanovic> zaroth: in fact it is very common among coders to not be too busy in the forums
20110506 16:04:05< Ivanovic> simply because they are by far too noisy
20110506 16:05:53< zaroth> I assume the novelty hasn't worn off for me yet then... It's a first time I seriously participate in any forum ;-)
20110506 16:05:58< zaroth> s/a/the/
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20110506 16:08:37< happygrue_> There are lots of great folks on the forum and some good feedback and ideas come from there.  But still there many rude comments, and yet you look bad if you don't reply in a civil manner - I can understand wanting to avoid it.
20110506 16:10:53< Nephro> I wouldn't at all mind discussing my part of the project in the forums... I actually plan to pick up some more ideas there. But the first part and work I am doing atm is pure coding, nothing to discuss there
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20110506 16:17:22< Nephro> font.hpp:19:21: error: SDL_ttf.h: No such file or directory -- this is new
20110506 16:19:07< boucman> hey all
20110506 16:20:51< Nephro> hello boucman
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20110506 16:22:22< zaroth> hello boucman
20110506 16:23:58< boucman> so, what's up ?
20110506 16:23:58< Sytyi> hi boucman 
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20110506 16:34:46< Ivanovic> crab_: i am getting this message in latest 1.8, is it of your doing?
20110506 16:34:48< Ivanovic> 20110506 16:34:13 error gui/parse: horizontal_grow and horizontal_alignment can't be combined, alignment is ignored.
20110506 16:37:39< Ivanovic> okay, i have a serious problem with 1.8 atm
20110506 16:37:50< Ivanovic> i can't start any mp games, i always get unknown unit types
20110506 16:38:06< Ivanovic> 20110506 16:37:20 error config: cannot obtain genders for invalid leader 'Orcish Slayer'.
20110506 16:38:07< Ivanovic> 20110506 16:37:20 error config: cannot obtain genders for invalid leader 'Troll'.
20110506 16:38:09< Ivanovic> 20110506 16:37:21 error general: Fehler beim Spielen: game_error: unknown unit type: Orcish Slayer
20110506 16:38:32< Ivanovic> that was when trying to open a local two player game with random leaders and seems to happen with all leaders...
20110506 16:39:40< Ivanovic> wow, looks as if my 1.8 is really f***ed up
20110506 16:40:21< Ivanovic> jepp, i can't play 1.8 at all atm
20110506 16:52:16< Ivanovic> Crab_: is the new chatlog exclusive to 1.8 atm?
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20110506 16:56:45< Ivanovic> mordante: your revision r49351 broke branches/1.8 over here
20110506 16:56:53< Ivanovic> playing is not possible with this rev!
20110506 17:01:07< Espreon> boucman: Have you looked into that bug I reported?
20110506 17:05:48< boucman> don't remember which one it was, but no :)
20110506 17:06:30< Espreon> Awwww...
20110506 17:06:40< Espreon> boucman: Do you have time to look at it now?
20110506 17:07:03< Espreon> It was this one: http://gna.org/bugs/?18017
20110506 17:08:30< boucman> not really, and as i stated, it's not exactly my area... 
20110506 17:08:57< Espreon> OK. Well, alink went bye-bye... so... blargh.
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20110506 17:16:28< {V}> wow a lot got deleted in r49351. Hard to believe that was all superfluous code.
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20110506 17:25:20< Espreon> "napalm attack"... really?
20110506 17:27:39< Espreon> Ugh, the Khalifate units really need smoother sliding...
20110506 17:28:13< Espreon> Well, maybe one.
20110506 17:29:25< zookeeper> they need longer sliding
20110506 17:30:28< Espreon> ... yeah.
20110506 17:30:45< Espreon> And of course, some attacks lack sound.
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20110506 17:44:47< CIA-82> espreon * r49399 /trunk/data/core/macros/names.cfg: Corrected capitalization and converted apostrophes to the proper characters in the Khalifate names.
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20110506 19:12:20< happygrue_> Espreon: not sure why it's called that.  I'm not sure what the unit attack is so I don't know how to name it - napalm attack is what was there before but is obviously the wrong word
20110506 19:12:53< happygrue_> as for sliding, I pay no attention to that stuff so anyone who knows what it *should* look like would be better at fixing it.
20110506 19:13:06< happygrue_> sounds would be a problem though, I thought all attacks did have at least placeholder sounds
20110506 19:13:10< happygrue_> which ones are missing?
20110506 19:13:24< Espreon> happygrue_: Well, we could get esr to fix it.
20110506 19:13:40< happygrue_> the name you mean?
20110506 19:13:43< Espreon> My biggest problem with it is that the word's only been around for about sixty years.
20110506 19:13:46< Espreon> Yeah.
20110506 19:13:58< happygrue_> well yeah, but what is the attack that the unit has?
20110506 19:13:59< happygrue_> I don't know
20110506 19:14:13< happygrue_> it's not about vocabulary, it's that the units don't have descriptions
20110506 19:14:21< happygrue_> so much of what is there is just placeholder stuff
20110506 19:14:41< happygrue_> maybe it changes, maybe it gets flshed out
20110506 19:14:50< Espreon> Yeah.
20110506 19:15:25< happygrue_> you can change it to something else if you want for now
20110506 19:15:46< Espreon> Sadly, I don't have anything at the moment.
20110506 19:16:33< happygrue_> I assume that there will eventually be attack icons for some of the attacks too so I haven't been doing anything more than just indicating basic weapon type.  Probably the fire arrors could use a better icon though, I think I just put a regular bow in
20110506 19:17:40< happygrue_> as for sliding, should they all be sliding a certain length?  The attacks I looked at were using different lengths depending on the attack
20110506 19:17:44< happygrue_> zookeeper: ^
20110506 19:19:15< zookeeper> yes, whatever looks good.
20110506 19:20:07< happygrue_> ah that is the problem then:  I have no idea what looks good.  :D
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20110506 19:40:39< anonymissimus> @all: is it sensible to allow scenarios without any sides ? There is a story-only scenario without a side in DM; it's currently broken due to my fix for another bug
20110506 19:41:40< zaroth> anonymissimus: isn't it better to use [intro] or something like that for story only with no units needed?
20110506 19:41:57< zaroth> you can have nice backgrounds and such
20110506 19:42:21< anonymissimus> a scenario without a side crashes wesnoth if it gets to the point of playing
20110506 19:42:49< anonymissimus> that is, teh scenario in question is [endleveled] in the prestart thats why wesnoth doesnt crash
20110506 19:43:05< anonymissimus> zaroth: no
20110506 19:43:17< zaroth> well, that's definitely wrong since WML shouldn't crash Wesnoth, but I still don't see a point in having scenario w/o sides (regarding the main question)
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20110506 19:43:30< zookeeper> anonymissimus, i don't really care. it's not much of a problem to use a dummy side for such scenarios. i'd suggest whatever makes the engine code simpler, i guess.
20110506 19:43:54< anonymissimus> look at DM scenario 16, it is [story] only, ot makes sense there to have no sides
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20110506 19:45:50< anonymissimus> well, i think it is simpler to throw the hard error thats why I did that
20110506 19:46:00< anonymissimus> mp scenarios also dont allow for zero sides
20110506 19:46:25< anonymissimus> meaning in a mp campaign one cant have such a story-only scenario
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20110506 19:46:50< anonymissimus> ok so we require dummy sides ?
20110506 19:47:51< zaroth> anonymissimus: I'd say yes. Also I looked on the 16th scenario and I still don't understand why the dialogue couldn't be simply pasted in the beginning of 17th scenario
20110506 19:48:01< zaroth> since as far as I understand, scenarios are playing units...
20110506 19:48:26< zaroth> (but since I'm new here, I may very well be wrong and uneducated yet ;-) )
20110506 19:48:36< anonymissimus> well, that particular scenario doesnt
20110506 19:53:43< anonymissimus> ok, who fixes it ?
20110506 19:54:07< anonymissimus> and I need to search all other scenarios for "no sides"
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20110506 20:05:59< anonymissimus>  the mp loading code requires a side to be there and we are making all campaigns mp campaigns, so thats actually another very good reason to not allow zero sides
20110506 20:17:47< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: are you here ?
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20110506 20:25:23< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: no, got visitors
20110506 20:25:40< anonymissimus> ok
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20110506 20:34:26< zookeeper> anonymissimus, there are no mainline scenarios without sides unless someone has semi-recently added some
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20110506 20:44:52< anonymissimus> there are a lot actually
20110506 20:45:02< zookeeper> really? such as?
20110506 20:45:11< anonymissimus> all in LoW and DM, it's fendrin
20110506 20:45:25< anonymissimus> i posted the list in teh bug report
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20110506 20:46:05< zookeeper> qualifies as semi-recent to me :p
20110506 20:46:17< anonymissimus> but I think I'll change it, mp scenarios without sides seem allowed too if they're ended in teh prestart event
20110506 20:46:41< zookeeper> frankly i didn't even know that no sides ever worked
20110506 20:47:26< anonymissimus> i find it strange too; I dont like that style of scenarios; I use maps and unit dialogs for story so I forgot about it
20110506 20:48:02< anonymissimus> for dialog-only scenario like this
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20110506 20:54:34< CIA-82> wintermute * r49400 /trunk/RELEASE_NOTES: Updated the release notes to announce the Khalifate.
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20110506 20:59:00< boucman> so, zaroth, how is the code studying so far ?
20110506 21:01:32< happygrue_> zookeeper: bats are going to 50% defense on all villages, so I guess I just remove the FERAL macro from them - perhaps leave the macro itself alone for now?
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20110506 21:04:37< CIA-82> anonymissimus * r49401 /trunk/src/play_controller.cpp: 
20110506 21:04:37< CIA-82> reverted r49350 (fix for bug #18106)
20110506 21:04:37< CIA-82> reintroduces part of bug #17995
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20110506 21:06:17< zookeeper> happygrue_, they now have 50% everyone?
20110506 21:06:26< happygrue_> all villages, yes
20110506 21:06:26< zookeeper> s/everyone/everywhere
20110506 21:06:52< zookeeper> no. do they have 50% everywhere except villages?
20110506 21:07:14< happygrue_> still 60% everywhere else, and 50% on villages
20110506 21:07:28< zookeeper> so what's gonna happen if you just remove feral from them?
20110506 21:08:09< happygrue_> hmm, not sure I understand how feral works so I don't know
20110506 21:08:44< zookeeper> it gives them 40% on villages whereas according to the normal rules they'd get 60%.
20110506 21:09:05< happygrue_> I'm seeing the problem
20110506 21:09:16< zookeeper> so what you need is to up feral to 50%
20110506 21:09:17< happygrue_> but it takes up a trait, right?
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20110506 21:13:54< happygrue_> the ultimate goal is to have bats get 50% on all villages, 60% everywhere else and not lose any traits.
20110506 21:15:16< zookeeper> "not lose any traits" means removing feral, i presume.
20110506 21:15:40< happygrue_> yeah, the problem is that they are not as likely to be quick if they only get one trait
20110506 21:16:01< happygrue_> 1/2 chance -> 1/4 chance
20110506 21:16:24< zookeeper> well, i'm not hearing any alternatives
20110506 21:16:27< happygrue_> though I'm not seeing an easy solution
20110506 21:16:29< happygrue_> yeah
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20110506 21:17:45< happygrue_> well, perhaps removing feral and keeping it as it is in stable is the way to go for now.
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20110506 21:36:13< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: I think I hope the khalifate faction is working correctly now.
20110506 21:36:53< shadowmaster> I have not play-tested it and all I have are wmlscope and wmllint's reports
20110506 21:39:27< Smar> when you think 2.0 / 1.10 will come out? this year? next?
20110506 21:40:51< Gambit> It Is Ready When It Is Ready?
20110506 21:41:41< Smar> well, I’m just thinking when to get translations ready
20110506 21:42:05< elias> there will be a 2.0?
20110506 21:46:56< shadowmaster> for the 100th time, no, the next one is 1.10
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20110506 22:05:00< happygrue_> Espreon: which sounds were missing?
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20110506 22:12:24< Soliton> zaroth: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/branches/new_addon_server/data/tools/addon_server/
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20110506 23:01:30< SpoOkyMagician> I think I may of solved the problem why sxc fails to save but I need to know, can scenario id's contain the . character?
20110506 23:02:58< SpoOkyMagician> (just doesnt sound like it should but i just need someone to confirm this.)
20110506 23:05:12< SpoOkyMagician> zookeeper: ^
20110506 23:06:11< zookeeper> SpoOkyMagician, i have no idea
20110506 23:06:17< zookeeper> sounds possible.
20110506 23:06:29< SpoOkyMagician> hm... I see
20110506 23:06:49< SpoOkyMagician> ill try suggesting it to -stf- and see what happens
20110506 23:06:56< SpoOkyMagician> but thanks anyway
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20110506 23:11:23< CIA-82> wintermute * r49402 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 
20110506 23:11:23< CIA-82> Balancing changes to cavalryman line and orc archer.
20110506 23:11:23< CIA-82> Updated changelog/players changelog.
20110506 23:12:53< SpoOkyMagician> (ill test this idea real quick... if it works, ill put a comment on the wiki)
20110506 23:14:05< SpoOkyMagician> naa thats not it... well nevermind...
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20110506 23:28:02< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: i am confident that they work as expected now
20110506 23:28:29< Ivanovic> meaning: graphically things can improve (the same possibly for sounds), but they should be usable
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20110506 23:37:30< CIA-82> ivanovic * r49403 /trunk/ (14 files in 13 dirs): updated Irish translation
20110506 23:37:54< Ivanovic> Smar: there is a reason for the textdomain status page in the wiki
20110506 23:38:03< Ivanovic> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/TextdomainStatus
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20110506 23:39:52< Ivanovic> beside this 1.10 is planned "later this year", obviously *after* summer of code is over
20110506 23:40:05< Ivanovic> cf http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Fosdem2011#Wesnoth_1.10
20110506 23:41:03< shadowmaster> stabilization usually takes long enough to carry to the next year, though.
20110506 23:41:18< shadowmaster> s/usually/all the time since 1.3.x/
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