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20110515 00:18:04< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20110515 05:19:23< CIA-94> shadowmaster * r49527 /trunk/data/core/about.cfg: Remove unmatched closing tag
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20110515 05:39:03< fendrin> hello
20110515 05:44:30< CIA-94> shadowmaster * r49528 /trunk/changelog: Indentation
20110515 05:44:51< CIA-94> shadowmaster * r49529 /trunk/ (changelog src/map_label.cpp): 
20110515 05:44:51< CIA-94> Fix starting location labels being initially invisible in the map editor (bug #17956)
20110515 05:44:51< CIA-94> The problem was that players are always observers when there are no
20110515 05:48:31< CIA-94> shadowmaster * r49530 /branches/1.8/ (changelog src/map_label.cpp): 
20110515 05:48:31< CIA-94> Fix starting location labels being initially invisible in the map editor (bug #17956)
20110515 05:48:31< CIA-94> The problem was that players are always observers when there are no
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20110515 05:51:10< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: hi, yes, I screwed up.
20110515 05:52:10< shadowmaster> fancy a 1.8.7 or 1.8.6a? (why am I asking this if I know beforehand that the answer is upper-case "NO"...)
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20110515 06:14:31< shadowmaster> Rhonda: if you haven't built 1.8.6 yet, you might be interested in picking up r49530
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20110515 07:36:00< timotei> morning
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20110515 09:11:39< Ivanovic> moin
20110515 09:12:00< timotei> morning
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20110515 13:24:31< Rhonda> shadowmaster: http://packages.debian.org/wesnoth-1.8 - yes, it's already built
20110515 13:24:57< Rhonda> shadowmaster: Can you please send me a mail with it so I won't forget to pull it in like next week or such?
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20110515 13:37:56< CIA-94> ivanovic * r49531 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog po/wesnoth-nr/de.po): updated German translation
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20110515 13:50:29< Ivanovic> zookeeper: can you look at this one? (since you most likely have an idea what is wrong there) http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=489074#p489074
20110515 13:59:37< zookeeper> Ivanovic, well, it's surely due to that recent side filter change... crab, anonymissimus and zaroth should know what to do. i could fix that specific problem but it seems that no automatic conversion has been ran yet or it hasn't caught all cases.
20110515 14:00:16< zookeeper> so i'd rather leave it to them to make sure that all mainline WML is converted properly
20110515 14:00:55< zookeeper> (on that note, it'd be very useful if the error mentioned which tag it's referring to...)
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20110515 14:05:22< Ivanovic> zookeeper: okay
20110515 14:05:38< Ivanovic> so it is a case of waiting for one of the three
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20110515 14:23:25< timotei> hmm, nice purpose for using the wesnoth soundtrack :D 
20110515 14:23:25< timotei> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLaDJrct12M
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20110515 15:39:31< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49532 /trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp: new macros return_vector_string_attrib and modify_verctor_string_attrib; used them for getter and setter for unit.extra_recruit and new getter unit.advances_to
20110515 15:40:37< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49533 /trunk/src/unit.hpp: added setter for advances_to_
20110515 15:40:52< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49534 /trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp: proxy setter for advances_to for lua units
20110515 15:41:07< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49535 /trunk/src/ (unit_types.cpp unit_types.hpp): function in unit_type_data for type checking
20110515 15:41:30< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49536 /trunk/src/ (unit.cpp unit.hpp): use that in setter for advances_to_ and recruit_list_
20110515 15:41:46< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49537 /trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp: added type check to wesnoth.add_kown_unit
20110515 15:45:18< fendrin> esr: ping
20110515 15:46:24< timotei> anonymissimus: I always wondered... the modifications to the wml/scripting parts, when they are not bug fixes, do they come from the need to do something?
20110515 15:46:30< timotei> that is, implement new functinality?
20110515 15:47:35< fendrin> timotei: scripting/lua.cpp does provide accessors to c++ funktionality for the lua coder.
20110515 15:48:10< fendrin> timotei: most game related are provided by the wesnoth. name space.
20110515 15:48:51< timotei> fendrin: well, the question was more: are they a feature request/bug fix implementation or rather something the coder feels the need to have
20110515 15:48:52< timotei> :)
20110515 15:52:09< Soliton> i doubt anyone is implementing random new wml tags just because they feel like it. there's new features and bug fixes like in any other code area.
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20110515 15:56:12< Crendgrim> does anyone know if there is somewhere a collection of Wesnoth scenery images?
20110515 15:57:36< Crendgrim> s/scenery/story/
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20110515 15:59:37< anonymissimus> timotei: well, usually I need some tag or function which woudl simplify things in my addons
20110515 15:59:48< anonymissimus> and then do it :)
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20110515 16:02:44< anonymissimus> also, many wml engine fixed or additions have impact on the lua engine since part of the wml engine is in lua
20110515 16:04:15< timotei> ok :)
20110515 16:05:17< fendrin> anonymissimus: You did the change from recruit to type in [set_recruit]?
20110515 16:06:00< anonymissimus> fendrin: no, after wondering about it I felt that it's useless trouble
20110515 16:06:44< fendrin> Okay, so the new tags are in line and the interface is fine?
20110515 16:08:48< anonymissimus> the three *extra_recruit ? yes
20110515 16:08:55< fendrin> Right.
20110515 16:09:21< fendrin> The next new (but not random) wml feature is a SUF for the recalls a leader can do.
20110515 16:10:02< fendrin> I have implemented it like: [unit] [recall_filter] <SUF>
20110515 16:12:13< timotei> hmm
20110515 16:12:19< timotei> first issues with OMP?
20110515 16:12:22< timotei> boucman: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?18139
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20110515 16:27:55< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49538 /trunk/changelog: new changelog section "LUA API"; added additions from the last months
20110515 16:34:26< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: if you dont like that name or it's not in the general canon feel free to change
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20110515 16:35:34< timotei> anonymissimus: maybe Lua not LUA :P
20110515 16:36:27< anonymissimus> well I feel so great about it I wanna shout LUA; its an abbreviation like WML
20110515 16:36:43< timotei> xD
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20110515 16:46:02< timotei> :P
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20110515 16:49:31< Cookiee> timotei: ! get back in the channel
20110515 16:49:59< Cookiee> i wasnt going to do anything ask loonycyborg
20110515 16:50:20< loonycyborg> Yes. She was obviously kidding.
20110515 16:50:41< Cookiee> See! and im not even telling him to say it
20110515 16:50:51< timotei> tz tz tz... kids
20110515 16:51:03< timotei> :P
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20110515 16:55:18< Cookiee> fine timotei, you cant avoid the channel forever. Have fun with homework
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20110515 17:05:36< anonymissimus> fendrin: though...maybe we should change it the other way raound: only for the new tags, change type= to recruit=, which would also allow to leave away the extra filter tag so we'd just have an inline SUF as in the recruit tags for sides
20110515 17:08:14< fendrin> I think that is bad.
20110515 17:08:23< anonymissimus> why ?
20110515 17:08:25< fendrin> The extra [filter] are not fine.
20110515 17:08:49< fendrin> But having tags with similar names and similar concerns with different syntax is not good for the wml coder.
20110515 17:08:52< anonymissimus> then why you say it's bad ?
20110515 17:09:26< fendrin> Maybe I did misunderstood you.
20110515 17:09:38< anonymissimus> the side taking tags will have an inline SSF
20110515 17:09:49< anonymissimus> without filter tag
20110515 17:10:35< fendrin> type is somewhat wrong because we support lists here since ages.
20110515 17:11:01< anonymissimus> ok, so you agree on changing the new tags like this ?
20110515 17:11:07< fendrin> Yes
20110515 17:11:27< anonymissimus> i'll do it
20110515 17:11:46< fendrin> anonymissimus: No, please don't
20110515 17:11:52< anonymissimus> why ?
20110515 17:11:56< anonymissimus> ok
20110515 17:12:05< fendrin> anonymissimus: At least not on the c++ side.
20110515 17:12:17< anonymissimus> no need to change anything there
20110515 17:12:20< fendrin> That will make me having a merge conflict.
20110515 17:12:49< fendrin> Okay, if there is still anything I will take care about it.
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20110515 17:13:09< anonymissimus> hehe, not familiar with resolving conflicts ?
20110515 17:14:03< fendrin> I try to avoid them. It's taking time and needs a second test set to be run.
20110515 17:14:20< fendrin> At the end I did miss some test and commit broken code.
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20110515 17:16:53< fendrin> I have tried to stay as close as possible to the old behavior when implementing the new features.
20110515 17:17:41< fendrin> If the player highlights a castle field the dialog will only show units that can be recruited or recalled at that location.
20110515 17:18:37< fendrin> Triggering the recall/recruit dialog on a not castle hex or somewhere in the gui will get the player a full list of recallable/recruitable units.
20110515 17:19:21< fendrin> Selecting from this full dialog will only recruit/recall it at the next position possible, or give an error message.
20110515 17:20:07< fendrin> For normal campaigns with only a single leader there should be no difference since the old side wide recruit/recall mechanics are still intact.
20110515 17:20:15< anonymissimus> should teh key be recruit= or extra_recruit= ?
20110515 17:21:14< fendrin> I would keep it in sync with the attribute in unit.
20110515 17:25:47< fendrin> anonymissimus: Do you think I should provide wml action tags to manipulate the [recall_filter]?
20110515 17:26:17< anonymissimus> if you dont need them dont
20110515 17:26:26< fendrin> I still don't know.
20110515 17:26:52< fendrin> Surely the designer of a campaign might want to change the filter during it.
20110515 17:26:53< anonymissimus> I may create a lua accessor though; is it a config member variable ?
20110515 17:27:55< fendrin> No it is not. I just put it in _cfg in the constructor and have a getter that reads from _cfg.
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20110515 17:29:00< fendrin> There are no other config member variables in unit, so I thought handling this with the _cfg member would be the way unit works.
20110515 17:30:53< fendrin> If that works like I expect it could already be possible to manipulate the filter with [store_unit].
20110515 17:32:30< fendrin> If extra tags are needed is discus-able.
20110515 17:34:42< anonymissimus> I'm usure whether you get correct variable substitution; if your filter happens to contain a $this_unit this_unit might not be set at the time uit gets substituted
20110515 17:34:59< anonymissimus> if yiu susbtitute when creating the unit what you seem to do
20110515 17:35:13< anonymissimus> so you need a vconfig probably
20110515 17:37:00< fendrin> if (!(recall_unit.matches_filter(vconfig(leader->recall_filter()), map_location::null_location)))
20110515 17:37:37< fendrin> anonymissimus: Have a look at "vconfig(leader->recall_filter()" that is the moment when the variables are substituted.
20110515 17:37:55< fendrin> This piece of code is called the moment you open the recruit dialog.
20110515 17:38:14< anonymissimus> hm yes, but wasnt it a config already ?
20110515 17:38:27< anonymissimus> so the $ is gone :P
20110515 17:38:46< anonymissimus> or thats what I would expect
20110515 17:39:15< fendrin> The point is that it was never a vconfig before.
20110515 17:39:49< anonymissimus> that cant be; all wml is vconfig at start ?
20110515 17:41:13< fendrin> I am not sure.
20110515 17:41:37< fendrin> The delayed substitution is working with the teleport feature I emplemented.
20110515 17:42:06< anonymissimus> in [unit], at the start there's config parsed_cfg = cfg.get_parsed_config(); that call substitutes all variables, until teh deepedt level already
20110515 17:42:20< fendrin> I think that using a config and doing it in a vconfig wrapper, calling latter a certain method of that newly wrapped object was doing the substitution.
20110515 17:42:57< anonymissimus> sure, but I would expect that it no loner matters since it already got substituted
20110515 17:43:16< fendrin> That is bad. You made a good point there.
20110515 17:43:39< fendrin> I need to get it delayed at recruit time, not at unit creation time.
20110515 17:44:10< anonymissimus> you can test it by trying with $|this_unit syntax
20110515 17:45:04< fendrin> Wait, doesn't the "|" enforce the delayed substitution?
20110515 17:45:25< anonymissimus> $| becomes $ upon variable susbtiotution
20110515 17:45:29< anonymissimus> in wml
20110515 17:45:33< fendrin> yes
20110515 17:45:43< anonymissimus> so you have a $this_unit left then
20110515 17:45:51< fendrin> But we don't want that behavior, do we?
20110515 17:46:58< fendrin> There is no point in allowing the wml coder the choice between substitution at unit creation or substitution at recall time, or am I missing a good cause to allow it?
20110515 17:49:49< Soliton> the keyword is testing since you seem to not know how it works currently.
20110515 17:51:06< fendrin> Right, still I need to know what behavior I want.
20110515 17:51:48< Soliton> look deep inside you.
20110515 17:52:33< Soliton> are you still copying unit vectors around in your patch, btw?
20110515 17:56:21< fendrin> Yes, there is still at least one point in the code where an extra copy is made. I guess a unit isn't a cheap structure?
20110515 18:02:12< Soliton> for one and it doesn't really make sense to copy a unit unless you really want to duplicate a unit.
20110515 18:04:35< Soliton> i'd also guess the wb stuff that is done in recall() there is not going to work with your filtered list.
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20110515 18:14:00< boucman> and back...
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20110515 18:21:11< fendrin> Soliton: What makes you think that?
20110515 18:21:25< fendrin> hi boucman
20110515 18:25:17< fendrin> Soliton: I am more worried about the AI, the WB stuff is okay. I think at least the version I am working here localy.
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20110515 18:30:23< fendrin> Too bad that I have not played around with the WB much. So I don't know how it behaves normally. But so far no problems.
20110515 18:30:41< Soliton> fendrin: well, "menu_handler::recall: Contents of wb-modified recall list:\n" makes me think the recall list is being modified by wb which can't work with a copy.
20110515 18:41:15< fendrin> I will investigate the issue.
20110515 18:42:47< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49539 /trunk/data/lua/wml-tags.lua: made it so that the new tags allow-, disallow- and set_extra_recruit take a extra_recruit= key holding the types and an inline SUF
20110515 18:49:21< esr> fendrin: What's up?
20110515 18:51:24< fendrin> esr: Do you know how to configure emacs to use tabs instead of spaces for indenting? And I have a small bunch of new translated strings to commit to the engine.
20110515 18:53:03< esr> fendrin: I could figure it out, but if you're planning to use it for cfg files please don't.  wmlindent uses only spaces for indents for a reason.
20110515 18:55:14< fendrin> esr: Our lua files do use the strange tab indention. It's hard to find documentation. Googling for indention and tabs gives mostly results how to abandon the evil tabs.
20110515 18:55:45< esr> Yes, please abandon the evil tabs.
20110515 18:56:05< fendrin> anonymissimus: Can we abandon the tabs?
20110515 18:56:31< anonymissimus> imho no
20110515 18:56:35< anonymissimus> i hate spaces
20110515 18:56:46< anonymissimus> sry
20110515 18:57:04< esr> I hate tabs.
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20110515 18:59:52< fendrin> But we should find a project wide standard.
20110515 19:00:26< esr> We have one, it is defined by wmlindent, and it is not to use tabs.
20110515 19:00:49< anonymissimus> what is the technical reason for wmlindent using spaces ?
20110515 19:01:08< anonymissimus> the C++ source uses mostly tabs everywhere too
20110515 19:01:16< Soliton> there is no technical reason, it's be preference.
20110515 19:01:20< Soliton> s/be/by/
20110515 19:01:32< ancestral> You know, many IDEs let you use soft tabs…
20110515 19:01:34< anonymissimus> and Crab is fine with the lua files using tabs too
20110515 19:01:47< esr> Experience in Python-land has shown that tab indentation is  bad idea.  And soft tabs are the *worst*.
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20110515 19:03:18< esr> This is not just an esthetic preference on my part.  There is enough variation in how different editors and display devices handle tabs to make staying away from them a good idea.
20110515 19:04:48< esr> I have been enforcing this policy by running wmlindent periodically and will cntinue to do so.
20110515 19:05:19< fendrin> esr: But wmlindent does not touch lua files.
20110515 19:05:24< fendrin> esr: http://pastebin.com/t8MbsNNa +
20110515 19:05:39< esr> I will change it to do so.
20110515 19:07:02< anonymissimus> what ? i'll veto that
20110515 19:07:18< anonymissimus> first you please write a tool that makes it neccessary
20110515 19:07:19< esr> You do not get a veto.
20110515 19:07:44< Soliton> is there a uniform indentation style used on lua files now?
20110515 19:08:45< anonymissimus> yes, its tabs
20110515 19:09:00< Soliton> ok, then i see no reason to change it.
20110515 19:09:17< esr> This is an issue about codebase maintainability in the longer term, and I have no compunction about being a hardass to maximize that.
20110515 19:10:03< Soliton> there is no issue except someone foolishly starting an indentation style discussion.
20110515 19:10:43< anonymissimus> there is no python tool yet which processes lua files, so you can't come with your technical argument that python needs spaces
20110515 19:11:07< zookeeper> whoever does most of the work on the lua files ought to get to decide. there's much much less need for a wide assortment of various people to go mess around the lua files, as opposed to WML.
20110515 19:11:48< fendrin> esr: Having wmlindent tab indent the thing would totaly solve my problem. I can write in emacs and then wmlindent it.
20110515 19:12:57< esr> anonymissimus: Yoou misunderstand. It's not that the Python tpools need space indents.  
20110515 19:13:08< zookeeper> whenever i've worked with lua files i've had my editor set to convert tabs to spaces so i've ended up having to disable that and search-and-replace spaces to tabs before committing, and it's not too much trouble if it prevents the resident lua experts from getting too pissed off by a whitespace style they don't like.
20110515 19:13:49< esr> It's that the variations in rendering between different editing and display tools make tab-based indenting bad for maintainability *in general*.
20110515 19:14:27< Soliton> the variation in rendering is exactly why people like tabs so they can render them the way they like.
20110515 19:14:46< esr> I told you this is not an esthetic preferebce on my part.  I hate tabs because of experience with this kind of problem.
20110515 19:15:01< esr> Variation in rendering = bad.
20110515 19:15:10< Soliton> you can tell that all day long it's not going to become anymore relevant.
20110515 19:15:26< Soliton> it'd be nice to stop the useless discussion now and keep things as they are.
20110515 19:16:15< esr> This discussopn has not been useless at all.  It has informed me of a maintainability problem which I will fix.
20110515 19:16:36< anonymissimus> it is not a problem
20110515 19:16:49< Soliton> esr: are you maintaing anything lua?
20110515 19:16:51< zookeeper> if no one working on lua files sees it as a problem then it's clearly not a problem
20110515 19:17:07< fendrin> well, it was a problem for me.
20110515 19:17:15< esr> ^ Bingo.
20110515 19:17:19< anonymissimus> you could write much more useful stuff for our python tools in that time
20110515 19:17:25< fendrin> But not one I am not willing to solve locally.
20110515 19:17:26 * zookeeper headdesks
20110515 19:17:50< fendrin> Sorry, I am willing to solve the problem locally.
20110515 19:17:55< anonymissimus> fendrin: you can call M-x tabify (and untabify) for a whole buffer
20110515 19:18:14< esr> I see ait as my job to worry about codebase maintainability issues for *everybody*.
20110515 19:18:17< fendrin> ah thanks, that might already be all I need to know.
20110515 19:18:44< Soliton> so now we worried about how fendrin can effectively use his editor and we solved it.
20110515 19:18:50< Soliton> yay!
20110515 19:19:08< fendrin> Right, no need to flame any more.
20110515 19:19:11< zookeeper> esr, so if it's apparently not really a problem for fendrin to use tabs but it's a problem for anonymissimus to use spaces, then how does forcing spaces fix maintainability issues for everybody?
20110515 19:19:12< zookeeper> yay
20110515 19:19:31< esr> Yes, but what happens when someone using a non-programmable editor hits this problem using a non=-programmable editor?
20110515 19:19:38< esr> Sorry.
20110515 19:19:41< fendrin> I think keeping everything as it is is not a good idea.
20110515 19:20:12< esr> The point is that this is *exactly* the sort of long-term maintainance isse I worry about.
20110515 19:20:15< anonymissimus> yeah, esr: it IS a maintainability problem for ME that mainline wml uses spaces everywhere; I need to do conversion or run wmllindent before commit
20110515 19:20:18< fendrin> if the tools would indent the lua files it is a good idea.
20110515 19:20:31< fendrin> But we can still discuss how the indentation should be done.
20110515 19:20:32< esr> There are a lot of weird editors out there.
20110515 19:21:04< fendrin> If there are technical reasons like every sane lua editor using tabs and all lua coders are using tabs it would be insane to enforce spaces.
20110515 19:21:41< esr> AFAILK there's no such thing as a specifically lua editor
20110515 19:21:56 * esr googles
20110515 19:22:37< anonymissimus> if you care for lua you need to care for the C++ yource too esr (and probably some other files and languages)
20110515 19:23:14< esr> anonymissimus: Actually, I'd do that if GNU indent weren't so broken.
20110515 19:25:30< anonymissimus> also, I can imagine that a tag-key language like WML can be automatically indented much easier than complicated C++ :P
20110515 19:25:37< esr> Google is not showing any evidence that there is a preferred lua indentation style.  Still looking...
20110515 19:25:53< esr> anonymissimus: Yes, that is true.
20110515 19:26:20< anonymissimus> same for lua; so before you start indenting lua you please solve all techical problems about indenting C++ automatically :P
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20110515 19:28:22< esr> anonymissimus: No, you will not distracty me that way.  Your argument is specious.
20110515 19:29:20< esr> Going to lunch.  Back later.
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20110515 19:38:32< anonymissimus> fendrin: btw silene had installed SiTe for lua on ubuntu; so it must be available
20110515 19:38:51< anonymissimus> for the debian ubuntu family at least
20110515 19:40:16< anonymissimus> you seem to be using the emacs lua mode, there a 2 IIRC both dont work that well and are no longer developed anyway
20110515 19:44:07< monochromatic> zookeeper: What would you think about moving Liberty's Rogue Mages into core? And if not, what would be required of it to be moved?
20110515 19:44:31< monochromatic> s/moved?/changed?/
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20110515 19:57:17< timotei> well, if we go the spaces way, how many spaces should a tab have? 2 4 or 8?
20110515 19:58:41< anonymissimus> fendrin: here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4643206/how-to-configure-indentation-in-emacs-lua-mode is quite a lot of info; that stuff was just too anal in emacs so i dont use that editor for that language
20110515 20:01:58< fendrin> anonymissimus: Found that website as well.
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20110515 20:19:59< zookeeper> monochromatic, well, how about animations and portraits? the point of keeping campaign-specific units is that campaigns can be removed without breaking anything else. any units put in core could be very painful to remove later, so i don't like to move campaign units into core unless 1) they're shared by several campaigns or 2) they're core-worthy in their own right.
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20110515 20:22:13< zookeeper> any particular reason why they should be core units?
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20110515 20:52:10< monochromatic> zookeeper: not really, mostly selfish (for my UMC) :) But they're used in several other UMCs as well. Yeah, the supporting art. I posted a thread a while back and noone really replied with interest in doing it. I'll wait I guess.
20110515 20:52:10< monochromatic> Makes sense what you said.
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20110515 20:59:32< ancestral> Anyone else around who has 1.9.6 for Mac?
20110515 20:59:49< monochromatic> ancestral: Hi.
20110515 21:01:01< ancestral> monochromatic: Try this. Quit Wesnoth if open. Then, switch to another application with a window, and open Wesnoth 1.9.6 via the dock or through Recent Items
20110515 21:01:24< ancestral> Does Wesnoth show beneath the other application's window or in front?
20110515 21:02:17< monochromatic> Beneath
20110515 21:02:29< ancestral> Same here
20110515 21:02:31< ancestral> I think it's a bug
20110515 21:02:34< monochromatic> Bug?
20110515 21:02:36< ancestral> 1.8 doesn't do that
20110515 21:02:36< monochromatic> Yup.
20110515 21:02:40< monochromatic> Yup.
20110515 21:02:41< ancestral> I'll go file it
20110515 21:03:33< Soliton> how is that not a window manager issue?
20110515 21:04:09< ancestral> Soliton: Works in 1.8.5. Something must have changed after 1.8.5 
20110515 21:04:26< ancestral> (haven't tested 1.8.6)
20110515 21:05:01< monochromatic> I can't say for previous 1.9 releases since I open my applications mostly through Alfred, but I'll say this never happened to me before.
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20110515 21:06:14< ancestral> monochromatic: Do you have 10.5 or 10.6?
20110515 21:06:20< monochromatic> 10.6
20110515 21:06:54< ancestral> I knew I liked you :-D
20110515 21:07:02< monochromatic> :)
20110515 21:09:37< timotei> ancestral: maybe because of an SDL upgrade?:)
20110515 21:09:41< timotei> if Apple allows that
20110515 21:09:43< timotei> xD
20110515 21:09:51< timotei> s/an/a
20110515 21:10:24< ancestral> My guess — and I could be wrong, since most of my programming is not in Cocoa or UI for that matter — is that the game window isn't becoming active
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20110515 21:11:33< ancestral> Hmm, it does looks like it is becoming active
20110515 21:19:38< ancestral> crimson_penguin, Alarantalara: Submitted a bug on that
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20110515 21:25:51< fendrin> esr: are the strings okay?
20110515 21:28:05< esr> fendrin: Sorry, which strings?  (Just got back from lunch.)
20110515 21:30:56< fendrin> http://pastebin.com/t8MbsNNa
20110515 21:39:14< fendrin> esr: ^
20110515 21:40:09< esr> fendrin: They look like well-formed English, if that's what you are asking.
20110515 21:43:22< fendrin> esr: That and if you see them fit for error reports regarding recalling/recruiting. The changes are to support per leader recruit and recall lists.
20110515 21:43:40< esr> I think they are fit.
20110515 21:45:10< fendrin> Fine, thank you. It seems the feature will finally be ready soon.
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20110515 21:51:16< Gambit> line 7, s/is/are/ ?
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20110515 21:58:04< fendrin> No one of the leaders is ... / None of the leaders are... , right?
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20110515 22:07:13< Gambit> I think "no one" refers to any individual, but "none" refers to the group… so… "are"
20110515 22:11:02< Alarantalara> ancestral: did some testing, and it doesn't happen with the non-OpenMPversion
20110515 22:12:29< Alarantalara> which means there are two changes that could be responsible: turning OpenMP on or the switching to the 10.5 SDK
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20110515 22:15:28< Alarantalara> I'm rebuilding with 10.5 but not OpenMP, and will add the result to your bug report
20110515 22:16:37< ancestral> I'd be curious to know how OpenMP support would change that
20110515 22:16:46< ancestral> Thanks!
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20110515 22:17:49< Alarantalara> no idea, since there were only two changes, I can at least find out which one is the cause
20110515 22:18:06< Alarantalara> s/since/but since/
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20110515 22:23:33< shadowmaster> anonymissimus: no, Lua is not an abbreviation
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20110515 22:24:27< shadowmaster> http://www.lua.org/about.html#name
20110515 22:24:34< anonymissimus> yes I think you're right; ok so it should be "Lua API" then ?
20110515 22:25:08< shadowmaster> "Please do not write it as "LUA", which is both ugly and confusing, because then it becomes an acronym with different meanings for different people."
20110515 22:25:34< Alarantalara> and the cause is OpenMP, though I have no idea why
20110515 22:25:58< ancestral> Alarantalara: Wow. Well, good detective work!
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20110515 22:28:16< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49540 /trunk/changelog: LUA API -> Lua API
20110515 22:31:11< Soliton> Alarantalara: i think with openmp there is that hack where wesnoth starts itself with a modified environment. if that's in the mac version as well that might be the cause.
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20110515 22:36:52< Espreon> Valkier: Oh, hello there.
20110515 22:37:07< Valkier> ohai
20110515 22:39:30< Alarantalara> Soliton: do you know where that is? About the only part of the source I've looked at before is terrain related
20110515 22:41:37< Alarantalara> nevermind, I found it
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20110515 22:58:33< anonymissimus> Soliton: is there a command to commit in such a waywith git  that git diff does no longer list the change, but when doing git svn dcommit the commit is not committed to the remote repository ?
20110515 22:59:30< anonymissimus> or any way to achieve this; there are just some changes to local files which I want but dont make sense to commit
20110515 22:59:48< Soliton> anonymissimus: commit to a branch or stash the change.
20110515 23:00:04< Alarantalara> does anyone know under what conditions did the busy wait problem described in the hack Soliton mentioned occurred? 
20110515 23:00:47< Alarantalara> I just turned it off, and didn't find any problem with an idling campaign
20110515 23:01:14< Alarantalara> (and turning the hack off does resolve ancestral's problem)
20110515 23:01:52< anonymissimus> git stash is at least not what I want; I want  e.g. to reenable the delay shroud updates locally
20110515 23:02:03< Soliton> anonymissimus: well, local changes to versioned files that you do not want to check in are not really possible with any vcs i'm afraid.
20110515 23:02:11< anonymissimus> and then keep working with that binary
20110515 23:02:26< anonymissimus> :( thanks anyway
20110515 23:02:58< grzywacz> You can track them with another vcs though. ;-)
20110515 23:04:10< Soliton> not sure how that helps.
20110515 23:04:39< grzywacz> You have commits but they don't propagate on pushes.
20110515 23:04:42< grzywacz> Ever.
20110515 23:04:46< Soliton> with any scheme you will have to unapply & commit & apply the changes.
20110515 23:05:25< grzywacz> You could gitignore them, maybe?
20110515 23:05:27< loonycyborg> Alarantalara: For me it was two cpu cores of three being at 100% load.
20110515 23:05:43< Soliton> no, you cannot ignore versioned files.
20110515 23:05:57< grzywacz> too bad
20110515 23:06:58< Alarantalara> loonycyborg: somewhere around 21% watching the animated water in HttT
20110515 23:07:21< Alarantalara> but I thought there might be some other circumstance that would make it higher
20110515 23:08:14< loonycyborg> Then you probably aren't affected by it too.
20110515 23:09:15< loonycyborg> On windows this hack isn't needed too, either with mingw or msvc.
20110515 23:10:56< Soliton> maybe stuff like top git automates that (un-)apply procedure.
20110515 23:10:59< Alarantalara> Excellent!
20110515 23:12:35< Alarantalara> I've attached an appropriate patch to the bug report then
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20110515 23:44:42< pauxlo> anonymissimus: I had something like this some days ago - a series of git commits I did not want to commit to SVN yet, but other commits that need to get committed. I solved this by doing a git rebase -i first to sort the relevant commits down, branch after these, git svn dcommit, rebase the master branch (with the uncommitable things) to the committed branch.
20110515 23:44:59< pauxlo> (In another project.)
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