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20110516 05:04:59< shadowmaster> Rhonda: done
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20110516 07:02:49< Rhonda> shadowmaster: hopefully not to @wesnoth.org :)
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20110516 07:07:59< shadowmaster> no, I used the debian.org address
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20110516 07:15:02< Rhonda> Perfect
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20110516 17:22:00< fendrin> Hello
20110516 17:22:57< fendrin> I have a last gui/gamedesign issue to discuss regarding the recruit list/recall filter feature.
20110516 17:23:38< fendrin> I have aimed in keeping the thing working as near as possible to the old behavior.
20110516 17:25:00< fendrin> So calling from the menu or from the shortcut without a highlighted castle/keep hex will bring up the full recall/recruit list.
20110516 17:25:39< fendrin> The units will be put to the next matching castle tile where a leader that can handle the unit is on the keep, or give an error message otherwise.
20110516 17:26:59< fendrin> If a hex field that belongs to a castle is highlighted only the subset of units recallable/recruitable are shown because it is assumed that the player wants to put the unit in exactly that hex field.
20110516 17:28:04< fendrin> But if there is a leader on the keep, and a nearby castle field is highlighted but the leader does have no more units to recruit for example, the full list will be shown.
20110516 17:28:48< fendrin> A selected unit from that list will get recruited at a different castle, where on or more fitting leaders are at the keeps.
20110516 17:29:11< fendrin> Thus something happened which the player does not had in mind.
20110516 17:29:58< fendrin> s/does/did
20110516 17:31:04< fendrin> A solution is to show a dialog "You can not recruit/recall a unit on that specific hex field" if it is a castle and go for the whole recruit/recall list otherwise.
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20110516 17:38:46< timotei> fendrin: I think you'd get more/better feedback posting on the mailing list ;)
20110516 17:38:51< timotei> I for one would do that instead :)
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20110516 17:41:46< fendrin> timotei: Yeah, I'll do that if there is no useful feedback to get here.
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20110516 19:39:25< CIA-94> timotei * r49541 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth.feature/_demosite/org.wesnoth.feature_1.0.3-eclipse.feature/_demosite/org.wesnoth.feature_1.0.3-eclipse.feature/temp/feature.xml: eclipse plugin: remove useless file
20110516 19:39:36< CIA-94> timotei * r49542 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth.updatesite/ (7 files): 
20110516 19:39:37< CIA-94> eclipse plugin: get rid of the local update site,
20110516 19:39:37< CIA-94> since we already have on in website directory
20110516 19:39:53< CIA-94> timotei * r49543 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth.build/ (build.cmd build.sh): eclipse plugin: Tweak the building scripts
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20110516 19:40:16< CIA-94> timotei * r49545 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth.build/ (build.properties build.xml category.xml site.xml): 
20110516 19:40:16< CIA-94> eclipse plugin: Let the PDE Build generate a p2
20110516 19:40:16< CIA-94> repository aswell and copy that to the 'update_site'
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20110516 19:53:58< anonymissimus> fendrin: wesnoth.get_units returns only units in the unit map
20110516 19:55:00< anonymissimus> no recall list units; thats a different structure; you'd need to add these with wesnoth.get_recall_units
20110516 19:55:23< anonymissimus> unit_map units are exactly those which are currently on the map
20110516 19:59:50< fendrin> anonymissimus: hmmm. I don't understand the context. Did I ever use wesnoth.get_units?
20110516 19:59:58< anonymissimus> ...
20110516 20:00:30< anonymissimus> ...of course you did...
20110516 20:00:30< fendrin> Sorry for being slow.
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20110516 20:05:26< fendrin> anonymissimus: Ah yes, I see. The tags will only modify leaders who are on the board.
20110516 20:06:42< anonymissimus> not leaders, all units on the board shich match the filter
20110516 20:07:20< fendrin> Yes, that is fine. The units can be made leaders later, so the designer of the scenario might already want them to have recruit lists.
20110516 20:08:14< fendrin> anonymissimus: Thanks for spotting the issue. I will fix it.
20110516 20:09:21< anonymissimus> the wiki is fixed and I suggest to let the tag implementation be as it is
20110516 20:09:57< fendrin> so you are fine with only modifying onboard units?
20110516 20:10:04< anonymissimus> or do actually need that for recall units ?
20110516 20:10:45< anonymissimus> I am fine with something that doesnt cause me to fix it :P
20110516 20:11:26< fendrin> I am still thinking. I guess there is nothing wrong with modifying the recall list as well.
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20110516 20:25:11< anonymissimus> to be honest, imho you should try not to copy someone else's working code
20110516 20:25:21< anonymissimus> develop your own stuff
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20110516 20:25:43< anonymissimus> and test a lot more
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20110516 21:49:46< CIA-94> thespaceinvader * r49547 /trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs): Add and wire Drake Warden portrait. Update changelogs, portrait credits.
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20110516 22:07:18< Sytyi> Crab_: hi
20110516 22:07:24< Crab_> hello
20110516 22:08:37< Sytyi> Crab_: can you tell me sth about tax in Ukraine? Did you paid in 2008 ?
20110516 22:09:24< Crab_> Sytyi: I guess you can just keep the card and use it without paying any taxes.
20110516 22:09:36< Sytyi> Crab_: Thanks
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20110516 22:21:11< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49548 /trunk/data/campaigns/ (3 files in 3 dirs): some wmllint fixes
20110516 22:23:47< zaroth> anonymissimus: wmllint doesn't recognize [about]?
20110516 22:24:15< zaroth> ah, wait, I used it within a string
20110516 22:24:17< zaroth> nevermind
20110516 22:25:13< anonymissimus> its spellchecker doesnt know it, obviously
20110516 22:25:56< anonymissimus> Crab_: you prefer tabs in lua files, dont you ? ;)
20110516 22:26:14< Crab_> anonymissimus: I prefer tabs to spaces, generally
20110516 22:26:17< anonymissimus> for indentation
20110516 22:26:42< Crab_> yes
20110516 22:26:56< anonymissimus> yes :) we beat the evil space lovers
20110516 22:27:16< zaroth> ...
20110516 22:27:58< zaroth> world would be a better place without indentation wars
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20110516 22:29:04< Crab_> zaroth: 'settle on 1 code style, reindent, forget' works most of the time 
20110516 22:29:50< zaroth> Crab_: yup. But before settling there usually tends to be so much pointless discussion...
20110516 22:29:56< Crab_> :)
20110516 22:29:58< Crab_> yes
20110516 22:29:59< zaroth> That's why I like PEP 8 (and Python in general) so much
20110516 22:30:16< zaroth> It's clear and concise, and everyone follows it
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20110516 22:30:57< fendrin> esr: Please update wmllint to check for valid unit_types in [unit] extra_recuit= , the same way wmllint does it for [side] recruit= .
20110516 22:31:59< esr> I didn't even know extra_recruit existed.  What does it do?
20110516 22:33:57< fendrin> esr: It is very new. The commit was done 2 days ago. It defines a extra recruit list that is leader specific those units can be recruited additional to the side's recruits but only if that unit is on a keep. And the unit is only recruitable to a hex in the castle surrounding that keep.
20110516 22:34:35< esr> Interesting.  OK, I will do that check.
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20110516 22:34:54< zaroth> fendrin: so it's made in mind for several leaders in one scenario?
20110516 22:35:07< anonymissimus> Crab_, esr: I've coded wmllint support for the side= unification: https://gna.org/patch/index.php?2666 :)
20110516 22:36:39< fendrin> zaroth: It is meant for several leaders on the same side in one scenario.
20110516 22:38:21< Crab_> anonymissimus: good
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20110516 22:41:07< anonymissimus> and Crab_ : I'd like to revert the introduction of the filter_side tag for the [gold] tag too (look at r49478 and 49479); the [gold] tag doesnt take much other arguments; so when the deprecation period is over we could have a nice inline SSF instead of that extra tag
20110516 22:42:27< Crab_> anonymissimus: my opinion there is 'whatever zookeeper recommends' )
20110516 22:42:38< fendrin> esr: There is also a new feature that filters a leader for recall units pending. It will implement a [unit] [recall_filter] <SUF>. So the scenario designer can limit the units a leader is able to recruit. It is the counterpart to the extra_recruits. But I don't know if wmllint can check the sanity of unit filters.
20110516 22:43:11< anonymissimus> I could deprecate all of the affected tags that way, however some people may already be using the [filter_side] tag since 1.9.5 got released (main reason why I wanted to block it)
20110516 22:43:30< Crab_> it's wmllintable
20110516 22:46:26< anonymissimus> other disadvantage is that support for "all sides" is only added after the deprecation period is over, so Gambit may not like this in case of the [gold] tag
20110516 22:47:54< anonymissimus> there are 2 remaining ones which I want to put to lua and which are easy since there's probably no need to deprecate something; and 2 difficult problem cases with weird side= behavior (capture_village and redraw IIRC)
20110516 22:50:08< anonymissimus> all others which are changed and which need a wmllint update are now in the patch I uploaded
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20110516 23:02:50< anonymissimus> Crab_: we can't remove a [filter_side] tag which was already added by wmllint, since it can contain more than just a side= attribute...
20110516 23:03:06< Crab_> we can, if we move all inline
20110516 23:03:06< anonymissimus> so its not wmllintable i think
20110516 23:03:25< Crab_> so, convert a [filter_side] to inline [filter_side] is wmllintable.
20110516 23:04:01< anonymissimus> moving all inline is not a good idea; for place_shroud and remove_shroud i recommend introducing the tag for sure, since those two already take a SLF
20110516 23:04:17< Crab_> I meant 'only in tags like [gold]'
20110516 23:04:38< Crab_> 'for any specific tag, converting a [filter_side] to inline [filter_side]' is wmllintable
20110516 23:05:10< anonymissimus> but we could do that only once the deprecation period is over
20110516 23:05:17< anonymissimus> for side=1
20110516 23:05:43< boucman> hey all
20110516 23:05:48< Crab_> hi, boucman
20110516 23:06:06< Crab_> anonymissimus: yes, that part is not good.
20110516 23:06:43< Crab_> anonymissimus: so,  [gold] should have [filter_side] without inline for the entire deprecation period
20110516 23:07:49< anonymissimus> and what about *recruit which i did dare to revert ?
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20110516 23:57:33< Crab_> anonymissimus: I'm fine as long as the vision is written down somewhere in the wiki, so we'll know the direction.
20110516 23:58:04< Crab_> anonymissimus: about the patch itself, there are minor issues, but more-or-less ok
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