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20110517 00:17:14< Valkier> Does Zerovirus ever come in here these days?
20110517 00:22:24< shadowmaster> no
20110517 00:23:56< Gambit> Perhaps this summer.
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20110517 00:26:29< Valkier> Oh, he's in college or something?
20110517 00:27:02< shadowmaster> I think that's irrelevant, since he's not much of an IRC user anyway.
20110517 00:27:31< Valkier> It's more or less relevant as to why I wanted to talk to him in the first place is all.
20110517 00:27:43< Valkier> I'll just PM him. Thanks for informing me.
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20110517 10:13:20< Ivanovic> moin
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20110517 11:03:18< dacovale> ivanovic: you said I could ping you if I had problems with translation commits. I've got a tarball with some text-domains at http://niklas.bolmdahl.se/wesnoth/sv.tar.gz and was wondering if you could help me commit it?
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20110517 11:26:34< Ivanovic> dacovale: you should contact the swedish translation maintainer
20110517 11:27:01< Ivanovic> argh, right, that is you now
20110517 11:27:06< Ivanovic> have you sent the stuff to torangan?
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20110517 11:49:09< covale> ivanovic: yes I sent him the files 30 hours ago. He also seems to have missed my previous check-in mail a week ago, although the translator who did that translation has since asked to redo it so no harm done there
20110517 11:49:51< Ivanovic> relax a little, he might be busy with other stuff and needs 2 or 3 days to commit it
20110517 11:51:04< covale> ok, sry for my impatience :( 
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20110517 13:47:14< Ivanovic> oh, lovely
20110517 13:47:31< Ivanovic> looks like two brothers is not the only campaign affected by the change with side filtering...
20110517 13:47:33< Ivanovic> [13:28:42] <diederik> Scenario = Battle of the Clan (?) and the msg is "<WML> Error: empty side= and no [filter_side] is deprecated"
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20110517 15:26:51< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49549 /trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp: added some getters in the side metatable, usefull for moving store_side to lua
20110517 15:27:01< fendrin> hi anonymissimus
20110517 15:27:10< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49550 /trunk/data/lua/helper.lua: 
20110517 15:27:10< CIA-94> modified iterator function helper.get_sides to return wesnoth.sides[side_number], side_number
20110517 15:27:10< CIA-94> TBH, I dont't fully understand the syntax, especially the one before this, and it seems silene did experiment with it too...but this works now at least.
20110517 15:27:27< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49551 /trunk/ (data/lua/wml-tags.lua src/game_events.cpp): 
20110517 15:27:27< CIA-94> moved [store_side] to lua; added SSF support
20110517 15:27:27< CIA-94> an array is created is several sides match
20110517 15:27:46< fendrin> anonymissimus: A user in #wesnoth got an depricated wml message.
20110517 15:28:03< fendrin> anonymissimus: "Scenario = Battle of the Clan (?) and the msg is "<WML> Error: empty side= and no [filter_side] is deprecated"
20110517 15:28:31< anonymissimus> yes, ignore that
20110517 15:28:34< fendrin> I think he means "Test of the Clans" in HttT.
20110517 15:28:52< fendrin> Okay :-)
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20110517 16:17:35< fendrin> anonymissimus: [message] does not support a SSF or is the wiki not up to date?
20110517 16:18:33< anonymissimus> right; false
20110517 16:19:33< anonymissimus> message is bit problematic since the key is side_for= not side=
20110517 16:20:01< anonymissimus> but a major problem is that side specific messages arent compatible with options in mp
20110517 16:21:23< fendrin> Meaning you see the problem that the mp setup does render some of the filters useless?
20110517 16:21:32< fendrin> Or what are your concerns?
20110517 16:22:16< fendrin> Or do you refer to the [message] [option] feature?
20110517 16:22:36< anonymissimus> yes, if [options] are present, a side filter must be disbaled
20110517 16:23:14< fendrin> But side_for still works?
20110517 16:27:08< fendrin> esr: ping
20110517 16:31:48< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49552 /trunk/changelog: changelog update
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20110517 16:42:18< anonymissimus> fendrin: for messages without options there's no issue; if there's an option it seems it get automatically displayed only to the current side and a warning is emitted if it was tried to display to another side than the current one
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20110517 16:53:41< Crendgrim> hm
20110517 16:53:54< Crendgrim> both 1.9.5 and 1.9.6 doesn't show a progress bar when uploading an add-on...
20110517 16:54:06< Crendgrim> they just seem to freeze; there is network traffic though.
20110517 16:54:20< Crendgrim> is that already known?
20110517 16:55:46< Crendgrim> "add-on accepted". It worked, but the GUI didn't react any more.
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20110517 17:56:20< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49553 /trunk/ (changelog data/lua/wml-tags.lua): added attribute "side" in array created by store_side
20110517 18:06:10< esr> fendrin: What's up?
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20110517 18:17:31< fendrin> esr: I have thought about the wmllint checking, and I think it is save to just check type= for a valid unit list, no matter in which context it stands. So type= in a filter could also be checked.
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20110517 18:18:10< fendrin> If that is not true we should change the wml syntax to type= being a unit_type list every where.
20110517 18:18:14< esr> I can do that, I tink.
20110517 18:27:12< CIA-94> esr * r49554 /trunk/data/tools/wmllint: Apply unit-list tests to extra_recruit.
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20110517 18:30:30< CIA-94> fendrin * r49555 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/ (20 files in 2 dirs): 
20110517 18:30:30< CIA-94> LoW: Leader specific recruit lists.
20110517 18:30:30< CIA-94> Leader specific recall list filters.
20110517 18:30:55< fendrin> esr: Cool, thanks.
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20110517 18:36:04< fendrin> esr: Tested it and it works.
20110517 18:51:38< fendrin> esr: I have removed all #wmllint: validate_off statements from LoW. But there is one little thing, I could need some help with. 
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20110517 18:53:14< CIA-94> fendrin * r49556 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/ (18 files): Removed all #wmllint: validate-off statements from LoW.
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20110517 18:54:14< fendrin> esr: When you run wmllint against trunk there is still a side without type attribute reported in scenario 16. But I do have sides without that attribute all over the place. What makes the side in LoW 16 special, so that the bug is reported?
20110517 18:54:47< esr> Checking...
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20110517 18:55:43< esr> I'm not seeing that.
20110517 18:57:02< fendrin> esr: You need to fetch r49556
20110517 18:58:05< esr> Testing...
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20110517 19:07:41< esr>     # Detect a malformation that will cause the game to barf while attempting
20110517 19:07:43< esr>     # to deserialize an empty unit.  The final "and attributes" is a blatant
20110517 19:07:44< esr>     # hack; some compaigns like to generate entire side declarations with
20110517 19:07:46< esr>     # macros.
20110517 19:08:17< esr> I think it's becasuse you mix a macro invocation with explicut attributes.
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20110517 19:08:54< esr> Thus you evade my hack for not compaining about side contents that is all macros. 
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20110517 19:45:26< CIA-94> esr * r49557 /trunk/data/campaigns/test_campaign/ (scenarios/01_Grass.cfg utils/utils.cfg): Prevent spurious wmllint messages.
20110517 19:58:21< fendrin> esr: Your explanation is sound but why doesn't it complain about the sides in the other LoW scenarios which look pretty similar.
20110517 19:58:30< fendrin> ?
20110517 20:00:59< fendrin> zaroth: ping
20110517 20:00:59< esr> Good question.
20110517 20:01:22< zaroth> fendrin: yes?
20110517 20:01:52< fendrin> zaroth: I saw your "test_campaign" in data/campaigns. Would you mind just using LoW for testing purposes?
20110517 20:02:37< fendrin> zaroth: You will get me as a tester for free and more out of the community.
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20110517 20:02:53< zaroth> fendrin: did you look into the campaign? it just has one scenario with a bunch of #ifdefed labels
20110517 20:03:09< zaroth> which get red when some things are not working and green when they're not
20110517 20:03:49< zaroth> as soon as I get these basic things working (I'm taking pains now to decouple things in game.cpp now), I'll be more than happy to delete the test campaign and switch to LoW
20110517 20:04:17< fendrin> zaroth: Can you tell me what is currently not working?
20110517 20:04:45< esr> zaroth: Thankls for announcing that plan - it means I shouldn't spend effort cleaning up wmlscope messages from the test campaign.
20110517 20:05:49< zaroth> esr: yes, its lifetime is very limited and I put it in repository only to easier communicate with Crab_/boucman
20110517 20:06:13< zaroth> fendrin: I don't know if you read my discussion with Crab_/boucman a few days ago
20110517 20:06:29< fendrin> esr, zaroth: I suggest to let the test campaign in place and add more and more not multiplayer related features during the times. We talked about an automatic wml test suite at the fosdem in 2010.
20110517 20:06:55< fendrin> zaroth: No, I missed it. Shall I read it or can you summarize=
20110517 20:06:57< fendrin> ?
20110517 20:07:24< zaroth> but currently nothing "is working", because I'm refactoring some parts from game.cpp and play*_controller.cpp into game_instance.cpp
20110517 20:07:57< zaroth> to make more clear who is responsible for what
20110517 20:09:36< zaroth> currently the responsibilities of things which happen before, between and after scenarios are fuzzy
20110517 20:09:53< zaroth> the plan is to make game.cpp more or less stateless
20110517 20:10:30< zaroth> and take away scenario-switching capabilities from play_*.cpp
20110517 20:10:47< fendrin> that sounds good
20110517 20:11:04< zaroth> and put these things into game_instance.cpp
20110517 20:11:25< zaroth> which takes care of stateful things, such as defines etc.
20110517 20:11:29< fendrin> zaroth: Do you work with a fork or a git thing or something?
20110517 20:11:57< zaroth> yes, I work with git, but I'll commit everything to trunk
20110517 20:12:10< zaroth> hidden only behind a commandline option
20110517 20:12:42< fendrin> zaroth: Okay, I want to get rid of the hack in LoW as soon as possible. Can I already start working on that?
20110517 20:12:45< zaroth> (right now I'm a bit in crying mood because of all these interdependencies and difficulty of taking things away from game.cpp :( )
20110517 20:13:42< fendrin> zaroth: Multiplayer wesnoth being glued on the singleplayer core hits you right now. You need to clean up more than 8 years of hacking.
20110517 20:14:05< fendrin> more than 7
20110517 20:14:22< zaroth> well, if there're no more releases for 1.9 planned soon, you are free to do it
20110517 20:14:48< zaroth> however I can't promise when it'll be possible to test the changes
20110517 20:15:23< fendrin> hmmmm
20110517 20:15:56< fendrin> I can't break LoW in trunk completely. There must be a solution how it still can work without the commandline option.
20110517 20:16:52< zaroth> so I suggest you wait then... is it much work to remove the hacks?
20110517 20:17:50< zaroth> or I can define something like CAMPAIGN_NEW_SYNTAX
20110517 20:18:51< fendrin> zaroth: The define would be a nice thing. It is not so much work to remove the hacks.
20110517 20:20:47< timotei> fendrin: wow, we'll get right of that #ifdef SINGLE/ #else bla bla?
20110517 20:21:12< fendrin> esr: About the type= error. Shall I let it unfixed and wait till you come up with a fix or is there a solution for me to do. I could #wmlllint validate-off it again but the whole idea was to let LoW being checked in full by wmllint.
20110517 20:21:15< fendrin> ?
20110517 20:22:03< timotei> fendrin: cause if yes, then I'll be so happy that LoW will work in the UMC plugin :)
20110517 20:22:06< fendrin> timotei: No, not that. We get rid of the #ifdef HARD #ifdef NORMAL ... in the header of each scenario.
20110517 20:22:12< timotei> :(
20110517 20:22:25< fendrin> And the 15 starting scenarios for LoW in the multiplayer lobby.
20110517 20:22:43< esr> fendrin: Put the validatre-off back in.  One of my to-do items is to scan mainline for directives that are removable due to later changes in wmllint; I'll catch it in that pass.
20110517 20:23:12< fendrin> esr: Okay, thanks.
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20110517 20:33:16< boucman> hey all
20110517 20:33:29< boucman> zaroth: so, what's up ?
20110517 20:33:43< zaroth> boucman: game.cpp is giving me pains
20110517 20:34:24< zaroth> I just find that I have to include more and more into my game_instance.cpp
20110517 20:34:54< boucman> oh
20110517 20:36:22< boucman> is it that bad ?
20110517 20:36:50< boucman> it's not really a suprise though, it will probably get better once you re-separate and reorganize stuff
20110517 20:36:53< zaroth> I just kind of hoped it would be more concise
20110517 20:39:43< anonymissimus> sombody on a mac: what is its path saparator ? is the file system as on unix, that is, starts with / and then /usr/... /etc/... etc ?
20110517 20:41:03< zaroth> anonymissimus: yes, Mac OS X uses unix-like filesystem afaik
20110517 20:41:12< anonymissimus> ok, thx
20110517 20:53:18< zaroth> boucman: reading along game.cpp I stumbled upon this: (explanation for OMP execv() hack) has a lot of very small jobs that need to be done at each redraw => 50fps every 2ms.
20110517 20:53:28< zaroth> shouldn't it be 20ms?
20110517 20:54:18< zaroth> (I'm stumbling to try and understand do_gameloop() right now and this part was just below and struck me) 
20110517 20:54:50< boucman> zaroth: oops, yes...
20110517 20:55:13< boucman> just leave the hack at the beginning of main() 
20110517 20:55:25< boucman> if you want a complete expalanation, just ask...
20110517 20:55:45< zaroth> I read it on the mailing lists before, so I know what it's for :-)
20110517 21:01:20< Ivanovic> anonymissimus, crab_, zaroth: you have seen the reports about issues with the new filter stuff?
20110517 21:01:33< Ivanovic> have you added some automatic detection of which wml files to change?
20110517 21:01:38< Ivanovic> (meaning a wmllint rule)
20110517 21:01:51< boucman> :)
20110517 21:01:53< anonymissimus> the patch is waiting :P
20110517 21:02:03< Ivanovic> eg the third scenario of two brothers has an issue (someone in the forums reported it) and there is also one in httt
20110517 21:02:05< anonymissimus> you mean the forum reports etc ?
20110517 21:02:23< zaroth> Ivanovic: I've seen it, but I'm not very familiar with SSF, I just wrote some code that Crab_ used later in his own reorganization
20110517 21:02:37< zaroth> but if needed I can look into it deeper
20110517 21:02:37< anonymissimus> there should be a lot actually, about 20 or 30 in all mainline campaigns atm
20110517 21:02:45< Ivanovic> [13:28:42] <diederik> Scenario = Battle of the Clan (?) and the msg is "<WML> Error: empty side= and no [filter_side] is deprecated"
20110517 21:02:48< anonymissimus> thats what I got
20110517 21:02:53< Ivanovic> that is one of the reports i mean
20110517 21:03:26< anonymissimus> yes, it's no bug; there's nothign broken yet
20110517 21:05:02< anonymissimus> so, Ivanovic , that it's clear: I wrote a wmllint patch that should talke care for all of these deprecation messages; and I'd like it to be in the next release; it's waiting approval by esr
20110517 21:05:54< esr> anonymissimus: You should have told me it was in the patch queue.  I'll go look.
20110517 21:06:18< anonymissimus> well, didnt you get a mail ? I assigned it to you
20110517 21:07:38< esr> anonymissimus: Sorry, it probably got lost in a spam flood.  I just dowmloaded the patch and will test it.
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20110517 21:17:37< esr> anonymissimus: It needs a bit of work.  Look at this:
20110517 21:18:13< esr> "../../data/core/macros/items.cfg", line 30: inserting "side=1"
20110517 21:18:14< esr> wmllint: converting ../../data/core/macros/items.cfg
20110517 21:18:16< esr> "../../data/themes/default.cfg", line 312: inserting "side=1"
20110517 21:18:17< esr> wmllint: converting ../../data/themes/default.cfg
20110517 21:18:19< esr> "../../data/themes/dfool.cfg", line 347: inserting "side=1"
20110517 21:18:21< esr> wmllint: converting ../../data/themes/dfool.cfg
20110517 21:18:22< esr> "../../data/themes/experimental.cfg", line 287: inserting "side=1"
20110517 21:18:23< esr> wmllint: converting ../../data/themes/experimental.cfg
20110517 21:18:48< esr> It's inserting side=1 where it shouldn't; you need to guard that logic a little better.
20110517 21:19:39< Valkier> Tallin's new name is Douchey McDouchekins. http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=50641&mode=view
20110517 21:24:44< fendrin> anonymissimus: mac uses freebsd under the hood, so it's most likely unix style.
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20110517 21:28:48< anonymissimus> esr: yes, I didnt know that there is a [gold] tag in theme wml, and I ran it only on mainline campaigns/ and multiplayer/
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20110517 21:30:16< esr> anonymissimus: When you test next, please run it on all of mainline using the invocation in data/tools/Makefile.  That's how it's used for pre-release sanity checking.
20110517 21:33:22< anonymissimus> hm maybe it's fine to check whether we are in action wml and if not disable the whole thing ? it's only action tags which are affected
20110517 21:34:02< esr> anonymissimus: Yes, that's what I would recommend.
20110517 21:36:05< esr> anonymissimus: Code looks fine otherwise though.  You seem to have a goo sense of Python style.
20110517 21:36:14< esr> s/goo/good/
20110517 21:36:19< anonymissimus> :)
20110517 21:36:31< anonymissimus> I have no clue of python, actually
20110517 21:36:46< anonymissimus> only just learned the basics
20110517 21:36:58< anonymissimus> such as that indentation marks blocks
20110517 21:37:03< esr> What, were you just imitating the style of the rest of the wmllint code?
20110517 21:37:21< anonymissimus> basically yes, why not ?
20110517 21:37:44< esr> Indeed why not. :-)
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20110517 21:50:04< anonymissimus> ok, I think I'll fix that issue, test it with full mainline and commit and then you can test again ?
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20110517 23:07:54< CIA-94> fendrin * r49558 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/16_The_Chief_Must_Die.cfg: Silenced wmllint in case of a missing type= attribute in a side definition.
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20110517 23:11:33< fendrin> esr: There is still a problem with wmllindent and LoW. The awkward multiplayer #ifdef hell confuses it.
20110517 23:13:25< esr> fendrin: This doesn't surprise me.  Are you planning to do anytning to fix the underlying problem?
20110517 23:14:21< fendrin> esr: Well, zaroth's work will ease the pain a little. Still I can't get rid of #ifdefs opening a tag but not closing it in the same ifdef completely.
20110517 23:15:16< fendrin> esr: I am open to any suggestion but can't see a solution to the problem myself right now.
20110517 23:15:42< esr> Perhaps there's need for a new tag to avoid the ifdefs?  That is, for [secenario] and [multiplayer] to unify?
20110517 23:16:18< fendrin> Good idea, I will talk with zaroth about it. 
20110517 23:16:51< fendrin> [scenario] and [multiplayer] are the biggest problems. The rest could be solved to fit wmllints needs.
20110517 23:17:20< fendrin> But I will never get rid of #ifdef MULTIPLAYER completely.
20110517 23:17:49< esr> Actually...maybe not a new tag.  Perphaps [scenario] should just have a boolean multiplayer attribute.
20110517 23:18:37< esr> That way, #ifdef MULTIPLAYER parts could become ordinary conditionals.
20110517 23:19:24< esr> Hm.  As I think about this, I am growing more convinced it's the right thing.
20110517 23:19:42< fendrin> Wait, what are ordinary conditionals?
20110517 23:19:53< esr> [if] [/if]
20110517 23:20:08< fendrin> Oh
20110517 23:21:32< fendrin> [multiplayer] can be abandoned because zaroth is going to introduce a new metatag for campaigns in _main.cfg. So we don't even need the boolean.
20110517 23:22:13< fendrin> Assuming that single multiplayer scenarios are also handled with the metatag.
20110517 23:23:07< fendrin> The [if] solution is not a good solution in every case because I have some wml which is not action_wml that needs to be differentiated. 
20110517 23:23:22< fendrin> And [if] will only work below [event]
20110517 23:24:09< esr> OK.  Well, if [multiplayer] is going away that will solve wmlindent's problem.
20110517 23:24:42< esr> Is zaroth the new go-to guy for WML features?
20110517 23:25:33< fendrin> esr: zaroth is the guy who redesigns how multiplaying works especially in regard of multiplayer campaign, it's his gsoc job.
20110517 23:27:29< fendrin> esr: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Zaroth_Multiplayer_Improvements
20110517 23:28:29< fendrin> esr: If you need new WML features, I can have a look at them. anonymissimus is the new lui guy, so he can help you if they are pure lua based.
20110517 23:28:42< fendrin> s/lui/lua
20110517 23:30:58< esr> fendrin: Tops on my list for a while has been persistent events.  I'd like to be able to declare an event (such as a character death action) that is outside any individual scenario but triggered in any of them.  It should have access to the scenario ID as a systrm variable.
20110517 23:31:37< esr> This would replace an awful lot of macros, improvong maintainability.
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20110517 23:36:23< fendrin> esr: hmmm, I can think of a possible implementation. [persistent_event] will not only define an event in the scenario where it is used but also save it's content to a wml container variable. This variable will get read at scenario start and used like [insert_tag] is used already.
20110517 23:38:25< fendrin> The scenario's id could be made available in a variable no matter if the event is persistent or not.
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20110517 23:48:08< anonymissimus> as for persistent events - it CABD according to silene: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=31810&p=459798&hilit=persistent+events#p459798
20110517 23:49:16< anonymissimus> he's using wesnoth.game_events.on_load to load "global events" from a variable array and insert them into the scenario data
20110517 23:49:25< anonymissimus> at start of every scenario
20110517 23:50:15< anonymissimus> fendrin: you please get your leader-specific recalling right; did you test whether $this_unit is working ? :P
20110517 23:51:59< fendrin> anonymissimus: That is exactly what I had in mind.
20110517 23:53:19< fendrin> $this_unit?
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20110517 23:55:46< esr> anonymissimus: That does what I want.  Looks like all that would be required is for that lua helper to be callled by default.
20110517 23:56:11< fendrin> anonymissimus: I will not test every possible wml action related to the feature. This will not end. If someone is wanting to do something with $this_unit and he spots that it is not working I will take care about the bug report.
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20110517 23:59:04< fendrin> esr: You will also need a tag that inserts the variable. I guess defining them by hand is not the user friendliest way.
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