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20110518 04:46:04< ancestral> Is there a hard limit to the number of arguments I can give when defining a macro?
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20110518 06:03:47< melinath> Is there anything that would cause a custom wml action tag to incorrectly parse the values in the WML cfg that's passed in? By incorrectly parse I mean that all variables seem to be replaced with the empty string.
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20110518 09:38:54< Ivanovic> moin
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20110518 15:02:31< timotei> Espreon: please give me the command you use to dos2unix. I used this, but it doesn't work, and IDK why: find org.wesnoth.wml -name "*.java" -print -exec dos2unix {} \;
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20110518 16:01:37< Soliton> find org.wesnoth.wml -name "*.java" -print0 | xargs -0 dos2unix
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20110518 16:15:55< timotei> Soliton: that did. Thanks!
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20110518 16:38:49< CIA-94> timotei * r49559 /trunk/utils/java/ (30 files in 7 dirs): eclipse plugin: Refresh the grammar
20110518 16:39:06< CIA-94> timotei * r49560 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth/org.wesnoth.product: eclipse plugin: Update the products's dependencies
20110518 16:39:18< CIA-94> timotei * r49561 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth/ (plugin.xml src/org/wesnoth/product/WMLPerspective.java): 
20110518 16:39:18< CIA-94> eclipse plugin: Rename the outdated 'Wesnoth_Eclipse_plugin' namespace
20110518 16:39:18< CIA-94> to 'org.wesnoth'
20110518 16:39:31< CIA-94> timotei * r49562 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth.wml/ (48 files in 14 dirs): eclipse plugin: Dos2Unix
20110518 16:39:47< CIA-94> timotei * r49563 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth/p2.inf: eclipse plugin: Fix the links to update website
20110518 16:39:58< CIA-94> timotei * r49564 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth.build/build.xml: 
20110518 16:39:58< CIA-94> eclipse plugin: Update the ant script to delete
20110518 16:39:58< CIA-94> unused plugins/binaries
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20110518 17:02:42< fendrin> hello
20110518 17:04:17< Valkier> Hello!
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20110518 17:16:21< fendrin> hi Valkier
20110518 17:16:41< Valkier> How's the work going, Fendrin?
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20110518 17:19:10< fendrin> Valkier: It's fine. Some patches pending, a branch still to be merged back but overall I am quite happy with my Wesnoth work lately. How is yours?
20110518 17:19:54< Valkier> Well, I think I'm going to finish Tallin up today, so I can start drawing a mostly naked elf druid.
20110518 17:20:08< fendrin> Tempting.
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20110518 17:20:33< fendrin> For what scenery is the naked elf druid used?
20110518 17:20:39< Valkier> NR
20110518 17:20:46< Valkier> The princess elf ladies sister I think.
20110518 17:21:34< Valkier> But I'm running out of NR portraits to do, so I need to find something else.
20110518 17:21:54< fendrin> You are not doing pixel art, right?
20110518 17:22:30< Valkier> Nope. Portraits.
20110518 17:22:52< fendrin> And scenery/story art?
20110518 17:23:07< Valkier> Well that might be the only thing left for people like me soon. :D
20110518 17:24:00< Valkier> Suddenly last summer there was a huge unspoken initiative to get portraits done. Kitty, Lord Bob, TSI, Ellisae and I all just suddenly woke up and started drawing stuff.
20110518 17:24:58< Valkier> So currently the only portraits I am aware of that need done are for the Drake campaign you're working on, but even that doesn't sound overly urgent.
20110518 17:25:15< fendrin> The new Khalifate faction doesn't have any portraits done.
20110518 17:26:10< Valkier> That's a little touchy at the moment. Basically three of us have expressed an interest.
20110518 17:26:39< Valkier> Sleepwalker has first call if I understand this right. I said I wanted to do it as well. Kitty just said she wanted to do it as well.
20110518 17:26:58< fendrin> Would be nice to have as many good music and pixel artists as we have on the portraits. 
20110518 17:27:24< Valkier> Well you guys have TSI, Zerovirus, and Jetrel doing pixels, don't you?
20110518 17:27:32< Valkier> Actually aren't there even more than that?
20110518 17:27:46< fendrin> The Drake campaign isn't urgent, it's progressing only slowly at the moment. I have worked on the story line a bit but not coded for some time. And esr wasn't very active on it either lately.
20110518 17:28:16< fendrin> There are some more but all the animations are taking time.
20110518 17:28:44< Valkier> Well I *can* do sprites and animations. I just think I'm better suited to portraits and painting type stuff.
20110518 17:29:32< esr> Fendrin is right, and I feel kind of bad about that.  I've drifted away from Wesnoth since 1.8 shipped; I'm exerting some will to come back to it now.
20110518 17:29:51< Valkier> esr: We love you because you hurt us.
20110518 17:30:18 * esr slaps Valkier with a very *spiky* fish.
20110518 17:30:30< Valkier> Foreplay this early?
20110518 17:30:57< Valkier> Don't be mean to me. You don't know what I've done to Tallin yet.
20110518 17:31:11 * esr fears this
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20110518 17:31:49< Valkier> Well, here's the version on the forums. I'm finishing it up right now though.
20110518 17:31:50< Valkier> http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=50647&mode=view
20110518 17:32:23< fendrin> Valkier: I think there is no need to do stuff your heard is not really in. There is still some work to do on monsters, the story images and we could also do some background images on the map, like it is done in "To lands unknown". Have you ever looked at that campaign?
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20110518 17:33:26< fendrin> esr: No need to feel bad about it. I am confident that we will finish the campaign and that it will be a success. I really like what we have done already.
20110518 17:34:34< Valkier> fendrin: I don't actually play much Wesnoth. I used to play the multiplayer with my brother and a few friends, but I am bad at the campaigns to the point that they actually turn around and play me.
20110518 17:35:15< esr> fendrin: I'm pleased with whast we've done already, too.  Perhaps a bit less confident than you about finishing it, but willing to work the problem.
20110518 17:35:52< fendrin> Valkier: You don't need to play it. Just download it, use the debug mode and skip through the levels to watch how the scenarios are designed. The art is not perfect but still the author did some excellent job on it.
20110518 17:37:18< Valkier> fendrin: I think Espreon mentioned it actually. I'm trying to keep to Mainline stuff though for practical purposes.
20110518 17:37:27< fendrin> esr: Maps take me a long time to get them right (playing wise and the look as well). Those are my only concern. If we had more decent maps, the coding will be no problem.
20110518 17:38:48< esr> fendrin: I'm not that worried about map drawing, it comes relatively easily to me.  I worry about developing a really interesting plot and resolution.
20110518 17:39:01< fendrin> Valkier: Yes, I don't suggest that you lay a hand on the campaign. My suggestion was to see what the engine can do and you may think then about doing the same to some of the mainline scenarios if there are no portraits left you are interested in.
20110518 17:39:45< Valkier> fendrin: Well I think the next thing I do if I don't get the Khalifate is to do the story art since I did practice environmental art this year.
20110518 17:40:36< fendrin> Valkier: That sounds fine. I am looking forward to see less of the dark black story screens in the future.
20110518 17:41:13< Valkier> fendrin: Well I'm pretty sure Kitty is looking to do them as well. I don't know about Lord Bob however. So at the very least, two of us will be giving it a shot.
20110518 17:41:40< Valkier> Or you and esr can finish your damn campaign and give me big lizards to draw!
20110518 17:41:46< fendrin> Valkier: Well, alone LoW could need a lot of them. 
20110518 17:42:01< fendrin> Valkier: We will do our best :-)
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20110518 17:42:08< Valkier> Not good enough!
20110518 17:42:18 * Valkier cracks the whip on esr
20110518 17:42:45 * esr wonders if Valkier wants bigger spikes on his next fish.
20110518 17:43:05< fendrin> esr: I am already quite happy with the campaign not being another, all is lost we need to flee from a desperate situation and return to free home plot.
20110518 17:43:06< Valkier> esr: You wanna step outside with me!?
20110518 17:43:15 * Espreon rolleth his eyen
20110518 17:43:16< esr> Heh.
20110518 17:43:33< Valkier> I will drive to Phili and fight you. :-(
20110518 17:43:52< esr> Bad idea.  Bad, *bad* idea.
20110518 17:44:10< Valkier> Which part? Driving to Phili or fighting a middle aged man?
20110518 17:44:37< Espreon> Valkier: Be careful... esr apparently knows how to use swords. Very scary...
20110518 17:44:43< esr> You are, er, apparently unaware of some of my other hobbies.
20110518 17:45:04< Valkier> Unless one of them involves dodging my 50. cal, I'm not terribly concerned.
20110518 17:45:12< Valkier> I'm a wuss. :-(
20110518 17:45:30< esr> I'm, um, not.
20110518 17:45:32< fendrin> Valkier: Do you know the scene from "Indiana Jones and the lost arc"? The one where he is threatened by a master swordsman?
20110518 17:45:51< Valkier> fendrin: Pretty much what I was thinking. There's a reason swords are called outdated.
20110518 17:46:06< fendrin> :-)
20110518 17:46:14< Valkier> Someone boasting they can use a sword is about as threatening as a kid waving a pool noodle to me.
20110518 17:47:02< esr> Vakier: I've trained to advanced levels in several hand-to-hand styles, I can use blades, and I am almost never unarmed.
20110518 17:47:12 * Espreon chuckles
20110518 17:47:27< Valkier> esr: But in this day and age, if you KNOW you're heading to a fight, wouldn't it make more sense to have a handgun?
20110518 17:47:43< esr> I told you.  I'm almost never unarmed.
20110518 17:47:55< fendrin> esr: Really? You leave home for shopping with a baby nuke?
20110518 17:48:31< Valkier> esr: Don't you use the same pistol as me?
20110518 17:48:49< esr> Heh.  No.  But I have been carrying a pistol pretty constantly since the second death threat from the Iranians.
20110518 17:49:00< esr> ^ To Fendrin.
20110518 17:49:11< fendrin> esr: They threatened you in person?
20110518 17:49:17< esr> Valkier: I dunno.  I like short barrel .45s.
20110518 17:49:31< Valkier> esr: oh. I thought you used a kimber.
20110518 17:49:42< esr> Ywah,  Kimber Ultra.
20110518 17:49:52< Valkier> Well there we go.
20110518 17:50:35< esr> One threat by email, one left as a blog comment.  The FBI took the second one seriously enough to have an agent interview me.
20110518 17:50:58< Valkier> esr: What, did their Ubuntu crash and they blamed you?
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20110518 17:51:25< esr> Since I had in fact done something to cheese off the mullahs.  Helping the dissidents after the Neda Soltan shooting.
20110518 17:51:50< fendrin> What exactly was your crime against Allah?
20110518 17:52:50< esr> I was, like, living in a cyberpunk novel for a couplr weeks..  Working with a group of hackers to set up covert comms fot the dissidents.  I was not the only one of us to get a death threat.
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20110518 17:53:58< esr> While I didn't do it for the "not a wuss" credentials, I trust this backs up my previous denial :-)
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20110518 17:55:47< fendrin> esr: Cool stuff. An old friend of mine (I know him for long and he is already in his 60s) did participate in sending data to mailboxes in Soviet Russia. An organization that didn't want to reveal itself did sponsor his hardware. It was a modem much faster than anything known to mortals at that time.
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20110518 18:02:52< Valkier> I love when I shrink one of my portraits from 3000x3000 pixels to 400x400. It makes everything look so much cleaner.
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20110518 18:23:40< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: what is the policy about accepting wml authors into the dev team ? there's e.g. Alarantalara for whom I voice my opinion now...he's got several approved patches already IIRC, and some more are in the queue for which apparently nobody has the time to care for ;)
20110518 18:24:15< Ivanovic> i'd say the same as for "normal" coders
20110518 18:24:32< Ivanovic> so if some devs tell me that he has at least two to three non trival patches in, he gets access offered
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20110518 18:51:44< anonymissimus> what is "non-trivial" ? there are some devs which do never edit the C++ source; for me it was probably 2 large lua tags which I wrote, although I probably have lots of minor contributions and bug reports :)
20110518 18:52:14< anonymissimus> (move_unit and modify_unit)
20110518 18:52:30< timotei> anonymissimus: non-trivial meaning, it takes some days? to write it
20110518 18:54:51< anonymissimus> well, anyways, I also voice my opinion for Elvish_Hunter, he's got 2 lua tags in (transform_unit and harm_unit)
20110518 18:56:53< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: non trival means something more than "change indention" or "fix typo in comment"
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20110518 20:24:30< timotei> hi mordante 
20110518 20:24:51< mordante> hi timotei 
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20110518 21:39:47< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49565 /trunk/data/lua/wml-tags.lua: fixed [select_unit] ingoring highlight=false parameter
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