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20110519 01:05:53< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49566 /trunk/data/lua/compatibility-1.8.lua: removed unused parameter i from get_side_count
20110519 01:06:12< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49567 /trunk/data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
20110519 01:06:12< CIA-94> ensured defeat if Erlornas dies
20110519 01:06:12< CIA-94> see
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20110519 03:28:06< CIA-94> torangan * r49568 /trunk/ (8 files in 8 dirs): swedish translation update
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20110519 10:40:48< Ivanovic> moin
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20110519 11:19:30< Crab_> hi, Nephro
20110519 11:19:37< Nephro> Morning, Crab_ 
20110519 11:19:49< Crab_> how the exams are going ?
20110519 11:19:57< Crab_> are they finished ?
20110519 11:21:04< Nephro> I am done with all my university stuff, and am home already :) The exams were all good(except for general computer science, where I had to write essays on the internet usage, ugh)
20110519 11:22:03< Nephro> Unfortunately, I forgot my aspect code in Scotland(idiot), but I mailed the support, they said I can ssh to it. In case that fails, I'll send one of my friends to the lab, he'll grab it.
20110519 11:22:20< Crab_> happens ) at least you have friends who can fetch it for you )
20110519 11:22:45< Crab_> so, the exams are over and it'll be time to start coding, good
20110519 11:22:58< Nephro> Yeah, well, it happened so, that almost 10 of my friends from Latvia went to that particular uni
20110519 11:26:20< Nephro> I am planning to make that list, tomorrow I will ordering a laptop, probably its setup will take place the next day, by that time the list(and some sketches probably) will be finished.
20110519 11:26:33< Nephro> will be ordering*
20110519 11:26:37< Crab_> ok, good. post it to wiki.
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20110519 11:27:13< Crab_> I'll be available in IRC mon-fri, at least from 12-00 to 17-00 (GMT+3), and sometimes in the evenings.
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20110519 11:37:12< Nephro> Crab_, could you, please, remind me, where do I look for things to expose, just so I don't miss anything. And I remember you saying two particular things, but don't remember what exactly
20110519 11:39:35< Crab_> two things ? might be source/destination maps and goals. but there's a lot else going on...
20110519 11:39:53< Crab_> where to look for ? (1) formula ai documentation in the wiki, (2) *_ai_context classes
20110519 11:40:19< Nephro> " source/destination maps" probably this, yes
20110519 11:40:26< Crab_> for example, srcdst, dst_src, enemy_srcdst, enemy_dstsrc, possible_moves, enemy_possible_moves are in readonly_context
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20110519 14:16:14< fendrin> hi
20110519 14:17:14< Crab_> hi, fendrin
20110519 14:17:27< fendrin> Crab_: Hello
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20110519 14:23:05< fendrin> hi Tigge
20110519 14:23:11< fendrin> hi timotei
20110519 14:23:13< timotei> hi fendrin :P
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20110519 16:07:27< fendrin> hi timotei
20110519 16:07:34< timotei> hif elias 
20110519 16:07:36< timotei> hi fendrin *
20110519 16:08:07< fendrin> timotei: Do you have time this evening to discuss the gsoc stuff a little?
20110519 16:08:16< timotei> fendrin: yes. of course
20110519 16:08:19< fendrin> cool
20110519 16:08:53< fendrin> I think around 19 or 20 local time (about 4 hours from now) would fit me best.
20110519 16:09:12< timotei> fendrin: yeah. it's fine for me too 
20110519 16:11:47< timotei> fendrin: I just finished with colloquyies. I still have a project due to next week, but I'll spend most of the time on gsoc ;)
20110519 16:12:19< elias> damn, i was only highlighted by accident... and i kinda hoped for a short interruption from work :P
20110519 16:12:28< timotei> elias: what work? :D
20110519 16:12:32< timotei> something interesting?
20110519 16:13:05< elias> no, and paid really badly... but need to pay rent somehow :(
20110519 16:13:36< elias> debugging some network protocol java simulation
20110519 16:13:43< timotei> oh
20110519 16:14:11< timotei> debugging is not nice most of the time
20110519 16:14:30< elias> yeah. especially when you haven't written the code.
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20110519 17:32:55< fendrin> timotei: is your internet connection weak today?
20110519 17:33:14< timotei> fendrin: IDK what happens. The router is giving me headaches
20110519 17:33:23< timotei> from time to time I get disconnected, although there is signal
20110519 17:33:35< timotei> usually it doesn't happen
20110519 17:33:44< timotei> maybe somebody is tampering with the router's wifi
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20110519 18:05:02< fendrin> hi noy
20110519 18:05:08< noy> hello
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20110519 18:12:52< fendrin> hi boucman
20110519 18:18:45< boucman> hey all
20110519 18:19:53< timotei> hi boucman 
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20110519 19:01:28< boucman> wesbot: seen thespaceinvader
20110519 19:01:29< wesbot> boucman: The person with the nick thespaceinvader last spoke 40d 3h ago.  2d 20h ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0.1/20110413222027]
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20110519 20:20:30< fendrin> timotei: so
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20110519 20:24:48< fendrin> timotei: Are you ready?
20110519 20:24:53< timotei> fendrin: yeah
20110519 20:26:00< fendrin> The first thing I would like to discuss is the layout of the eclipse project management window.
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20110519 20:26:26< fendrin> The "project explorer"
20110519 20:26:52< fendrin> I had something in mind with having a folder for every wesnoth version installed at toplevel.
20110519 20:27:42< fendrin> That would make every installed wesnoth version it's own project.
20110519 20:27:50< timotei> hm
20110519 20:28:07< fendrin> Not what you had in mind?
20110519 20:28:32< timotei> well, it's not about what I have/had in mind. Things can be changed to suit better the user
20110519 20:28:49< timotei> but I was thinking, what part of a wesnoth install should be represented as a project?
20110519 20:29:41< fendrin> If we say every mainlaine/umc campaign is a project, what do we do with core?
20110519 20:30:02< fendrin> Meaning the wml below "data/"
20110519 20:30:21< timotei> well
20110519 20:30:38< timotei> let's think, what would help the user with, to have a project for each campaign?
20110519 20:30:49< timotei> meaning, it would be fine just to have the data directory
20110519 20:30:56< timotei> as a "standlone" non-removable project
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20110519 20:30:59< timotei> for each install
20110519 20:31:07< timotei> in case they want a reference
20110519 20:31:23< timotei> if one would want to work on a mainline project, then he shall create a project
20110519 20:31:37< timotei> fendrin: you know, the java projects
20110519 20:31:48< fendrin> Yes, I understand.
20110519 20:31:49< timotei> have a child: "JRE System library"
20110519 20:32:03< timotei> something like that, but a child for the entire project explorer
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20110519 20:33:34< fendrin> Having a project set or what it was called for every version with the mainline/umc/core being a member is out of question?
20110519 20:33:50< fendrin> You mentioned that the project set feature is pretty hard to do or what was the reason?
20110519 20:34:17< timotei> well, I think it this way.
20110519 20:34:27< timotei> if we create a project for each install/campaign
20110519 20:34:35< timotei> 90% of the user *won't* use them
20110519 20:34:43< timotei> just for reading/reference purposes
20110519 20:35:02< fendrin> That may be true.
20110519 20:35:10< timotei> so that's why I'd like better
20110519 20:35:23< timotei> to have just a non-deletable project for each installation/data directory
20110519 20:35:29< timotei> what do you think?
20110519 20:35:31< timotei> because
20110519 20:35:35< timotei> a project brings in 
20110519 20:35:38< fendrin> Still I want to have them easy available as projects to encourage users to create patches instead of bug reports.
20110519 20:35:39< timotei> features, but an overhead aswell
20110519 20:35:49< timotei> well..
20110519 20:36:04< timotei> we can let the user still access the menu, to create projects for mainline campaigns
20110519 20:36:07< timotei> but, by default not
20110519 20:36:31< fendrin> If a user does have had a look at the eclipse thing and knows how to code wml it is a much shorter step do the fix in it and just sent in a patch.
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20110519 20:41:01< fendrin> So we have a read only access mechanism at default and a read/write one after creating the project for the campaign?
20110519 20:41:24< fendrin> I am not sure if that is a good approach.
20110519 20:42:12< timotei> well, I for one wouldn't like for the builder to compile all projects at start
20110519 20:42:18< timotei> without me even writing something
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20110519 20:42:47< timotei> but... IDK we can do what's better
20110519 20:42:50< timotei> for me it's equally
20110519 20:42:54< timotei> from the technical POV
20110519 20:43:12< fendrin> I think that having them as projects at start is not a wrong thing.
20110519 20:43:35< timotei> ok, so we leave it as it's now
20110519 20:43:39< timotei> that part
20110519 20:43:59< fendrin> At least I like to strongly suggest to have the different version separated from each other. Having a folder for each is a must.
20110519 20:44:44< fendrin> They don't need to be project sets or projects for themselves if that is doable. 
20110519 20:45:25< fendrin> Or we bind the eclipse umc plugin to the wesnoth version it belongs to.
20110519 20:45:47< fendrin> But that is much overhead as well.
20110519 20:45:51< timotei> hmm
20110519 20:46:02< timotei> you mean, showing just the projects 
20110519 20:46:12< timotei> that are using the active wesnoth version?
20110519 20:46:49< fendrin> No, I mean that the eclipse plugin does have a version itself. One being the plugin for 1.9/1.0 one for the next and so on.
20110519 20:47:05< fendrin> Every plugin will only access the exact version of wesnoth.
20110519 20:47:26< fendrin> That will mean that we don't need to take care about downwards compatibility.
20110519 20:47:48< timotei> hmm
20110519 20:48:14< timotei> I don't like that. I mean, we can't do that. since for example
20110519 20:48:28< timotei> I need to increment the version of each build
20110519 20:48:43< timotei> when I fix bugs
20110519 20:48:51< timotei> or, I don't see the pattern to use
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20110519 20:48:59< fendrin> It is a pain if you fix a bug in all versions of wesnoth being maintained.
20110519 20:49:13< fendrin> Having it all in the same eclipse is better in that case.
20110519 20:50:20< timotei> then I didn't understand what you wanted to say
20110519 20:50:29< timotei> you said that plugin 1.0 is targeted for wesnoth 1.9 ?
20110519 20:50:37< timotei> and 1.1 is for wesnoth 1.10 ?
20110519 20:51:19< fendrin> Right.
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20110519 20:52:15< fendrin> That will have the advantage that we don't need to take care on backwards compatibility. But it is not good for fixing bugs over several versions and it needs more software to be installed.
20110519 20:53:03< timotei> well, that would make the feature "wesnoth installations" a bit useless.
20110519 20:53:14< timotei> and also, I don't see the problem of backwards compatibility
20110519 20:53:42< timotei> that is,
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20110519 20:53:50< timotei> if a wesnoth version has (for now) the --preprocess command
20110519 20:53:53< timotei> than it's supported
20110519 20:54:32< fendrin> Getting rid of the several wesnoth feature was the whole point of why I proposed it.
20110519 20:56:04< fendrin> I am afk for 5 minutes.
20110519 20:56:49< timotei> k
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20110519 21:08:48< fendrin> back
20110519 21:08:59< fendrin> was much more than 5
20110519 21:09:55< timotei> fendrin: no problem. I'm working on the wesnoth installation part :P
20110519 21:11:51< fendrin> We don't need to come to a decision regarding the project explorer today.
20110519 21:13:27< fendrin> Somehow I liked the project set idea the best. It means that every campaign is still a project. But we have already the campaigns grouped by version.
20110519 21:14:07< timotei> well..
20110519 21:14:13< timotei> lemme see if the eclipse guys
20110519 21:14:21< timotei> did with my bug report ^_^
20110519 21:14:35< fendrin> Do have a link?
20110519 21:14:45< timotei> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=322659
20110519 21:14:50< timotei> scheduled for eclipse 3.7
20110519 21:15:09< timotei> well, let's say that I'll use that feature when it will be available
20110519 21:15:11< timotei> untill then
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20110519 21:16:35< timotei> so, ok, we keep the 'a project for each campaign' structure
20110519 21:17:39< fendrin> That would suit me.
20110519 21:17:44< timotei> k
20110519 21:23:22< fendrin> timotei: Can you talk me through the installation process for the source code + compile sometime this weekend? After that we can look at updating the installation howto and make it more userfriendly. 
20110519 21:23:40< timotei> fendrin: building the plugin?
20110519 21:23:45< fendrin> Then I would like to have a native language speaker have a look at it.
20110519 21:24:02< fendrin> timotei: Yes, so I can follow your work just by svn update.
20110519 21:24:46< fendrin> Not only the plugin itself, I want the same working environment like you have. So I can commit some stuff as well.
20110519 21:25:47< timotei> ok
20110519 21:25:51< timotei> sure
20110519 21:26:19< timotei> I think I'll call it the day now.
20110519 21:26:23< timotei> I have an exam tomorrow :D
20110519 21:26:31< timotei> good night
20110519 21:26:35< fendrin> Oh, have good luck:-)
20110519 21:26:39< timotei> thanks
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20110519 21:28:15< mordante> I'm off night
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20110519 22:22:12< anonymissimus> I've some parameter in a function here which compiles without a word in MSVC, but g++ completely chokes on it: http://pastebin.com/73aumBps
20110519 22:22:33< anonymissimus> the message doesnt make any sense to me, help ?
20110519 22:24:47< anonymissimus> "expected ',' or '...' before '>' token"
20110519 22:38:42< fendrin> anonymissimus: Can't reproduce it. After adding ; at the end of line g++ compiles it fine. On linux is that.
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20110519 22:46:46< anonymissimus> in a function declaration, not a single statement
20110519 22:48:10< fendrin> anonymissimus: Can you give me the context?
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