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20110521 00:00:38< kitty_> Okay, I can work with that! I'll be back when I've got something new.
20110521 00:00:42< zookeeper> now i'm just tossing around ideas, but delfador could have a version where he has some parchments out and looks like he's teaching you something
20110521 00:00:52< zookeeper> ...since there's a lot of situations where he's explaining locations or history to you
20110521 00:01:01< kitty_> And for the tutorial
20110521 00:01:07< zookeeper> that too
20110521 00:01:34< zookeeper> if you remind me another time then i can take a closer look at the campaign and try to come up with a better list
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20110521 00:02:12< kitty_> I will, bye for now!
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20110521 00:03:52< zookeeper> note to self: scepter variants for both konrad and li'sar wouldn't hurt either
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20110521 00:22:40< anonymissimus> esr: I uloaded another version of the wmllint patch https://gna.org/patch/index.php?2666 in case you oberlooked the mail^^
20110521 00:23:16< esr> anonymissimus: Thanks, I will look at it.
20110521 00:23:24< fendrin> anonymissimus: oberlooked?
20110521 00:23:32< anonymissimus> overlooked
20110521 00:23:39< fendrin> ah
20110521 00:23:42< esr> fendrin: He must be German :-)
20110521 00:23:57< anonymissimus> yeah
20110521 00:23:58< fendrin> right, that was what I thought as well.
20110521 00:24:11< anonymissimus> and I cant spell in irc you know
20110521 00:24:51< esr> Even if you could, Germans have a "typing accent" that I find relatively easy to spot.
20110521 00:25:18< fendrin> Is overlooked a valid English word?
20110521 00:25:37< esr> fendrin: Yes, and a relatively common one.
20110521 00:26:08< fendrin> Good to know.
20110521 00:26:31< fendrin> I always tried to avoid it.
20110521 00:27:33< anonymissimus> well, there are keybords which are accustomed to the languages; an english keyboard has its keys placed differently than a german one; this may lead to other typing errors than on an english keyboard
20110521 00:27:50< esr> That is, the verb "to overlook" is common. The word may also be used as a non ("an overlook") but that is pretty rare.  It has the sense of a scenic view from a high place - you might say "an overlook of a forest" but not "an overlook of a parking lot".
20110521 00:28:04< esr> s/non/noun/
20110521 00:29:20< anonymissimus> most importantly, on a german keyboard, the z is where the y is on an english one - if you need to type "yes" in bios
20110521 00:30:19< esr> I guess I would recommend against using "overlook" as a noun - that form is rare and probably dying. But the verb is just fine. 
20110521 00:30:25< fendrin> anonymissimus: By the way, you are still missing your red developer title in the forum, don't you want to ask shadowmaster to fix that?
20110521 00:31:06< anonymissimus> I dedided I'm fine with my black nick
20110521 00:31:42< anonymissimus> Gambit is green and I'm black
20110521 00:32:18< shadowmaster> that doesn't make any sense
20110521 00:32:19< anonymissimus> (or blue...)
20110521 00:32:34< shadowmaster> the only reason Gambit is green is because he preferred to be a Forum Moderator over a Developer
20110521 00:32:56< esr> anonymissimus: For your information, the single kind of error that reveals "German" in fluent German speakers of English is comma placement.  The German rules are just similar enough that Germans get fooled intoi thinking, they're identical, but they're not.
20110521 00:33:03< shadowmaster> and moderators are more imporatnt than Developers for my purposes
20110521 00:33:36< shadowmaster> (the fact that Developers still have moderator powers is something I'll fix some time when we get enough active moderators)
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20110521 01:09:35< Ivanovic> Soliton: who maintains the addon download scripts?
20110521 01:09:45< Ivanovic> Soliton: something strange seems to have happened to the 1.7 addons
20110521 01:10:02< Ivanovic> on the server only the "uncompressed" version seems to be left, no tar.bz2 version anymore
20110521 01:10:13< Ivanovic> cf http://addons.wesnoth.org/1.7/
20110521 01:10:38< Ivanovic> since there are no tar.bz2 files, there are no addons listed
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20110521 01:35:53< Soliton> Ivanovic: i maintain the scripts. since there is no 1.7 campaignd there are no addons listed. no idea why the unpacked stuff is still there.
20110521 01:44:58< Ivanovic> i think it is a matter of "archived version"
20110521 01:45:03< Ivanovic> the same as for eg 1.5
20110521 01:46:37< Ivanovic> time for some sleep, n8
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20110521 06:06:24< fendrin> hi
20110521 06:10:52< fendrin> shadowmaster: Hello, are you around?
20110521 06:11:00< shadowmaster> no
20110521 06:12:04< fendrin> shadowmaster: okay, I have thought about adding unit tests for a new feature.
20110521 06:12:30< fendrin> So I ran the ./test binary first to see if me new feature does brake any existing tests.
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20110521 06:13:00< fendrin> The result was 0 errors but still there were some lines in the output that made me suspicious.
20110521 06:16:21< fendrin> shadowmaster: Can you confirm that all of http://pastebin.com/79HT0euc is normal output, please ? Especially the last line, containing "errors", is triggering my suspicion.
20110521 06:18:30< shadowmaster> I can only say that #3 and #4 are normal in the current state of trunk. No idea about the rest; you should ask people who are more knowledgeable in those areas.
20110521 06:19:37< fendrin> shadowmaster: I thought so. I am lacking of knowledge who is the responsible developer for each region of warning or error.
20110521 06:20:33< shadowmaster> So am I, other than the obvious (GUI2).
20110521 06:21:07< shadowmaster> I'd not be surprised if most people actually forgot after suokko's departure that a unit test suite existed in the first place.
20110521 06:22:06< fendrin> shadowmaster: Then, allow me one last question, please: Do you thing the recruit list per leader and recall filter per leader feature can be tested by unit tests?
20110521 06:22:16< fendrin> s/thing/think
20110521 06:22:18< shadowmaster> The fact that there are warnings that look like errors and a logged error which do not have effect over the test results is even more worrisome.
20110521 06:23:38< shadowmaster> No idea about that. IMO unit tests should be used to make sure engine semantics do not break; part of what you are describing (the filter part, namely) sounds more like an UI issue that should be dealt with by humans.
20110521 06:24:35< fendrin> shadowmaster: If you like, I can assign a bug report for each of the warnings/errors and we ask esr for help to find the right persons. I think he is responsible for quality management.
20110521 06:24:59< shadowmaster> I think esr is not responsible for that.
20110521 06:25:28< shadowmaster> Or in any case, I do not think that should be the task of a single biased person.
20110521 06:26:00< shadowmaster> Nevertheless, the project manager is Ivanovic.
20110521 06:27:03< fendrin> :-)
20110521 06:27:05< fendrin> genau
20110521 06:27:52< fendrin> s/genau/right
20110521 06:30:40< esr> shadowmaster: I don't consider myself solely responsible for QA, but I do consider it my job to keep the hand-maintainance cost of the WML as low as possible.  That's why I do all the mechanized-auditing stuff, and why I get stroppy about choices that make mechanized auditing more difficult.
20110521 06:30:58< shadowmaster> Thanks for the irrelevant paragraph.
20110521 06:32:45 * fendrin sighs
20110521 06:37:28 * esr wonders who pissed in shadowmaster's cornflakes
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20110521 08:31:23< timotei> fendrin: morning :)
20110521 08:31:46< timotei> fendrin: when/if you have time, I can guide you through getting the eclipse environment setup for building/developing on the plugin :)
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20110521 09:19:10< Ivanovic> moin
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20110521 09:23:30< timotei> morning
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20110521 11:22:47< Ivanovic> fendrin: yeah, you should post bug reports about this
20110521 11:22:58< Ivanovic> and later on we can look whom to assign or if not to assign someone
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20110521 11:56:01< Soliton> unit tests are useless if they don't also test error cases so i'd first just take a look at the tests to see whether those warnings/errors are expected or not...
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20110521 13:09:21< CIA-94> ivanovic * r49588 /trunk/ (30 files in 28 dirs): updated Greek and Irish translation
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20110521 13:28:12< vultraz> BUG: I'm playing UtBS 'Across the Harsh Sands'. When Elyssa appeared, her messages used the 'Invasion from the Unknown' portrait (http://imagebin.org/154342) instead of the official UtBS one (http://imagebin.org/154344). I'm pretty sure before I installed IftU the portrait showed correctly.
20110521 13:32:08-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 223 bugs, 316 feature requests, 28 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20110521 13:54:06< vultraz> oh the portrait bug's for 1.9
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20110521 15:09:36< fendrin> hi
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20110521 16:21:47< melinath> hmm... I can't seem to get scons to recognize g++ 4.5.2 as >=3.3
20110521 16:31:22< melinath> ah, there we go.
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20110521 17:05:09< fendrin> vultraz: utbs is Espreon's, iftu is shadowmaster's.
20110521 17:05:34< timotei> fendrin: weren't you working on utbs too? :D
20110521 17:06:02< fendrin> timotei: I dropped the maintanance some time ago. We three didn't come along with each other very well.
20110521 17:06:09< timotei> oh 
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20110521 17:09:01< fendrin> timotei: I am still a little busy today. Tomorrow will be a better day to arrange the build envirenment for me.
20110521 17:09:09< timotei> fendrin: take your time :)
20110521 17:10:08< fendrin> :-)
20110521 17:42:46< shadowmaster> fendrin: it is AI0867's
20110521 17:42:48 * shadowmaster hides
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20110521 18:32:06< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: I don't suppose there is a forum feature such as "allow only these users to send me pms" ?
20110521 18:32:46< shadowmaster> you can use the zebra (friend/foe) module to help with that, also PM folder rules
20110521 18:38:35 * zookeeper still craves for an way to have a personal list of important threads
20110521 18:39:22< zookeeper> like, when i see a post mention something i really should do sometime but not now, i could press a button and have it appear in my important thread list which i'd look at every now and then to see if i've forgotten something.
20110521 18:45:08< shadowmaster> zookeeper: yes, it's called bookmarks
20110521 18:46:09< zookeeper> well, that is a good idea!
20110521 18:46:11< shadowmaster> the forum allows users to bookmark topics so they get listed in the Bookmarks section of their UCP, or http://forums.wesnoth.org/ucp.php?i=main&mode=bookmarks
20110521 18:46:25< vultraz> nice
20110521 18:46:37< zookeeper> sweet. i somehow never noticed that before.
20110521 18:46:41 * zookeeper headdesks
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20110521 18:53:36< timotei> mordante: is there any config? file that you use for checking wesnoth's code base?
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20110521 19:02:51< anonymissimus> if I have pms globally disabled but a rule for friends to place pms in inbox, will that work ? (I'd try it out but double-accounts are frowned upon I guess)
20110521 19:03:40< shadowmaster> you did not guess right
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20110521 19:04:33< shadowmaster> I'm fine with Eve owning an additional account Fiona as long as she doesn't pretend Eve and Fiona are different people by replying to each other in the forums
20110521 19:04:54< shadowmaster> and no, your rule won't work unless you actually receive a PM
20110521 19:05:08< shadowmaster> and you cannot receive PMs from non-admins if you have disabled PMs
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20110521 21:02:17< anonymissimus> great; I've just solved a major problem
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