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20110524 01:19:56< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20110524 01:59:05< Wajeemba> Hello all, does anyone know what projects are being undertaken to port to android/their status?
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20110524 02:02:56< hopman-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl6Pkp2By8I
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20110524 02:06:24< Valkier> Nice. When did that one start?
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20110524 02:08:46< Gambit> hopman-: Very nice!
20110524 02:08:53< hopman-> A little over 6 months ago, I think
20110524 02:11:18< Gambit> hopman-: I see that the video is unlisted, but do you mind if I share it on Wesnoth's twitter?
20110524 02:14:32< hopman-> I'd prefer not to for now
20110524 02:15:00< hopman-> Actually, sure, go for it
20110524 02:15:57< Gambit> Alright: http://twitter.com/#!/WesnothOrg/status/72818019365158912
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20110524 04:14:47< Wajeemba> Dude, that's awesome- what's left to do? Let me know if you need help with play testing. I'll gladly donate :)
20110524 04:15:41< Wajeemba> Droid X. moo.magnet (at) gmail
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20110524 08:07:52-!- Topic for #wesnoth-dev: 219 bugs, 316 feature requests, 28 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20110524 08:07:52-!- Topic set by wesbot [~wesbot@wesnoth/bot/wesbot] [Mon May 23 01:32:08 2011]
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20110524 09:28:10< Ivanovic> moin
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20110524 13:53:22< fendrin> hi
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20110524 15:46:38< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49640 /trunk/src/ (4 files): 
20110524 15:46:38< CIA-94> refactored some settings of the wml variable turn_number to happen in tod manager
20110524 15:46:38< CIA-94> where the C++ equivalent is set
20110524 15:46:56< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49641 /trunk/src/play_controller.cpp: 
20110524 15:46:56< CIA-94> removed variable from of type update_locker finish_turn since it does (and did) nothing at that spot
20110524 15:46:56< CIA-94> since placed at the end of its scope
20110524 15:47:11< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49642 /trunk/projectfiles/CodeBlocks/wesnoth.cbp: codeblocks projectfile update
20110524 15:47:27< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49643 /trunk/projectfiles/VC9/wesnoth.vcproj: MSVC projectfile update
20110524 15:47:43< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49644 /trunk/src/ (game_instance.cpp game_instance.hpp): fixed compiler warnings about no newline at end of file
20110524 15:47:59< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49645 /trunk/src/replay_controller.cpp: fixed turn end and turn x end events fired with $turn_number from next turn in replays
20110524 15:48:18< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49646 /trunk/src/ (menu_events.cpp tod_manager.cpp tod_manager.hpp): 
20110524 15:48:18< CIA-94> fixed part 5) of bug #16534
20110524 15:48:18< CIA-94> (and another mistake in a previous revision of mine)
20110524 15:48:34< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49647 /trunk/src/ (4 files): 
20110524 15:48:34< CIA-94> changed int playcontroller::previous_turn_ into a bool
20110524 15:48:34< CIA-94> since that's the actual information it carries
20110524 15:48:51< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49648 /trunk/src/ (5 files): 
20110524 15:48:51< CIA-94> improved questionable way of processing turn_at= attribute using silene's config::to_int()
20110524 15:48:51< CIA-94> Literal numbers work, variables don't and attempting to support it at that place is probably a bad idea from the engine point of view and led to the crash. See e.g. bug #7236, apparently it did never work well.
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20110524 16:49:59< Crab_> Nephro: one thing about the function list: I recommend splitting stuff into types (aspects, movement maps (quite simular to aspects in some respects), goals, ai components, actions, ... )
20110524 16:51:11< Crab_> it's because similar things will be implemented in similar way (like what you've started doing with aspects)
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20110524 19:39:38< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: anything you could tell me about https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?11307 ?
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20110524 19:50:44< Nephro> Crab_: I'll do that. Is there anything significant missing from that list?
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20110524 21:53:29< Crendgrim> Soliton: ping
20110524 21:53:59< Nephro> <Nephro> Crab_: I'll do that. Is there anything significant missing from that list?
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20110524 21:55:05< Crab_> Nephro: good evening
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20110524 21:55:16< Nephro> hi :)
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20110524 22:05:43< boucman> zaroth: around ?
20110524 22:05:58< zaroth> boucman: yes, I'm here
20110524 22:06:20< boucman> so, how was your day ?
20110524 22:06:44< zaroth> well, the German course was really fun ;-)
20110524 22:07:05< Crab_> Nephro: about the list, I think that the basic functions are there, but, there are 2nd-level functions, as well (functions which can be implemented using base ones)
20110524 22:07:28< boucman> heh
20110524 22:07:43< boucman> did you have some time to think about how to attack the problem ?
20110524 22:07:49< Crab_> Nephro: and, there is a lot of stuff related to ai component structure (adding/modifying components) which can be optionally implemented
20110524 22:08:22< zaroth> your reply to e-mail did spark some thoughts in me
20110524 22:08:35< zaroth> however, I didn't note them down, let me have a look again
20110524 22:08:40< boucman> k
20110524 22:09:06< Crab_> Nephro: are you familiar with 'how the modify_ai tag works' ?
20110524 22:09:32< Nephro> Crab_, I am not
20110524 22:09:42< Nephro> added to TODO list, though
20110524 22:09:46< Crab_> Nephro: basically, some of the ai components have metadata attached to them which allows to set/get properties
20110524 22:10:05< Crab_> Nephro: i.e. 'we have AI, it has properties such as stages, aspects, goals, ..'
20110524 22:10:19< Crab_> Nephro: and stage can have candidate actions
20110524 22:10:50< Crab_> Nephro: all the functions which modify ai itself are related to that stuff
20110524 22:14:44< Nephro> Crab_, yes, I've read about that in the wiki
20110524 22:15:08< Crab_> Nephro: so, there's a block of functions which are related to the ai's structure
20110524 22:15:42< Crab_> Nephro: also note that srcdst maps are actually very simular to aspects
20110524 22:16:04< Crab_> Nephro: since they are, too,  a cached value which can be invalidated
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20110524 22:19:18< Crab_> Nephro: I also recommend going for move maps, aspects, and goals - those are top 3 things
20110524 22:19:48< Nephro> Crab_, so the idea is to give a Lua AI developer an opportunity to modify existing stages, ca's, etc?
20110524 22:19:55< Crab_> Nephro: yes.
20110524 22:20:17< Crab_> Nephro: the idea is to construct the ai from pieces. and to allow the ai to be dismantled/assembled piece-by-piece
20110524 22:22:22< Crab_> Nephro: for that, we have the structure of the ai, and the meta-structure of the ai
20110524 22:23:19< Crab_> to find out how it works, check the example list of stages of ai,   starting with /src/ai/composite/ai.cpp,  register_vector_property("stage",stages_, factory_stages);
20110524 22:24:03< Crab_> src/ai/composite/property_handler.hpp and src/ai/composite/component.hpp are relevant to that, too
20110524 22:24:54< Crab_> it can be exposed to lua using proxy tables
20110524 22:30:42< Crab_> basically, imagine each ai component to be a first-class lua object
20110524 22:30:49< Crab_> then, imagine a object representing the ai
20110524 22:30:58< Crab_> and treat it like a table
20110524 22:31:47< Crab_> i.e. to allow things like  " ai.stage['foo'].candidate_action['bar']  "
20110524 22:32:21< Nephro> yes, that makes sense
20110524 22:33:30< Crab_> but it can be handled by modify_ai tag, so it's not that important
20110524 22:33:42< Crab_> since usually we don't need to modify ai on the fly
20110524 22:33:49< Crab_> at least, we don't need to do it often
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20110524 22:34:01< Crab_> but, code to get srcdst must perform well
20110524 22:34:08< Crab_> since it's done all the time
20110524 22:35:27< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20110524 22:59:18< Nephro> Any windows users here? Trunk seems to crash on launch, on preprocessor.cpp:313 stating "string iterator not dereferencable".
20110524 22:59:29< boucman> zaroth: so ?
20110524 22:59:56< Crab_> Nephro: happened a few times when I was launching wesnoth from wrong directory
20110524 23:02:18< Nephro> Crab_, about aspect getter exposure: do you want me to expose them one by one, like I did with get_aggression() or should I do something more clever?
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20110524 23:04:36< Crab_> one by one is ok, but do it through a generic layer which will handle invalidation semantics properly
20110524 23:04:52< Crab_> i.e., there might be aspects which are expensive to transform from C++ form to lua form
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20110524 23:18:05< Crab_> ie make a generic lua proxy representing an aspect
20110524 23:19:47< Crab_> (bye. I'll read the logs if there're other questions)
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20110524 23:19:53< Nephro> night
20110524 23:20:15< Nephro> I'll head out too, good night
20110524 23:26:26< zaroth> boucman: two ways?
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20110524 23:27:41< boucman> either you say that "game selection selects the map and returns the map selected" in which case do_gameloop gets the map, puts it in game_instance, extract the available difficulties from it and pass that difficulties to a "choose difficulty" function
20110524 23:28:49< boucman> or do_gameloop pass an instance of game_instance to "game_selection" which fills whatever info it extracts, then do_gameloop pass that same instance to "choose_difficulty" who will extract that info from whatever game_selection put in there, and do its stuff with it
20110524 23:29:20< boucman> the important idea is that game_selection ad choose_difficulty never talk to each other, only "do_gameloop" knows about each other...
20110524 23:29:39< zaroth> I think I like the second way better
20110524 23:29:58< boucman> I dont have a preference
20110524 23:30:06< zaroth> since it doesn't require for do_gameloop even to know there is a map inside
20110524 23:30:25< zaroth> it just passes it around
20110524 23:31:09< boucman> ok, so as a first step, I would make game_instance a "stupid class" i.e no methods, all members public, so all subfunctions can easily access whatever data they need
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20110524 23:31:42< boucman> as a second step I would make functions like choose_difficulty and game_selection members of the class and make private as much of the data as possible
20110524 23:33:55< zaroth> game_selection should be a member? why?
20110524 23:34:15< zaroth> isn't it like, separate screen?
20110524 23:34:58< boucman> it can be, since it will be one of the functions that is building the content of game_instance, putting it there allows some hidings of the internals
20110524 23:35:23< boucman> but if you don't think that's the proper organisation, it's not the only way to do it
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20110524 23:58:06< CIA-94> espreon * r49649 /trunk/src/ (game_instance.cpp game_instance.hpp): Set svn:eol-style and svn:keywords.
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