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20110506 09:46:30< Ivanovic> moin
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20110506 15:55:22< tomreyn> hi, does wesnoth provide a way to get notified, on your desktop (using something like qstat or gamespy or a plugin to gnomes' notification-area or similar) about new hosted games becoming available?
20110506 15:56:45< Gambit> tomreyn: You can watch the #wesnoth-mp-lobby-stable IRC channel
20110506 15:56:59< Gambit> and add a regular expression highlight to your IRC client that matches the "game started" message.
20110506 15:57:38< Gambit> But no we don't integrate with any third party services like that.
20110506 15:57:55< tomreyn> Gambit: thanks. IRC isn't that practical for this purpose IMO, is there a HTTP or XMPP based way to get notified?
20110506 15:58:18< Gambit> Nope.
20110506 15:59:45< tomreyn> Gambit: is this information tracked on a central server/system, or is it tracked distributed and the only central place is the IRC channel?
20110506 16:00:20< Gambit> None of the above.
20110506 16:00:27< Gambit> The server has logs.
20110506 16:00:38< Gambit> The IRC bot just prints the end of those in the channel.
20110506 16:02:09< tomreyn> thanks :)
20110506 16:04:49< Gambit> Any time.
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20110506 16:15:52< Filar> Hello all
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20110506 16:45:19< Filar> Is there any option on the forum to make all the posts read?
20110506 16:46:08< Ivanovic> yes, there are options for this
20110506 16:46:48< Filar> Could you tell me where, please?
20110506 16:50:42< Filar> Oh, now I can see it.
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20110506 17:37:36< zaroth> tomreyn: if you do write a notifier for gnome/kde parsing the wesnoth server lobby irc logs with user-specified regexp, please post it somewhere and don't just keep it to yourself, it'd be awesome :-)
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20110506 17:40:50< zaroth> tomreyn: (however, since the log files are quite huge (they get up to ~1 MB), maybe it isn't the brightest idea to rely on the logs and embed a tiny ircbot inside instead... it'd be much more economical for wesnoth.org bandwith (i.e. it wouldn't use it at all)
20110506 17:41:01< zaroth> )
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20110506 17:56:22< Gambit> zaroth: http://www.wesnoth.org/robots.txt
20110506 17:58:21< Unnheulu> Can't robots just ignore robots.txt...
20110506 17:58:33< Gambit> The IRC bot I was discussing with tomreyn is actually hosted on wesnoth.org. It tails the logs from there.
20110506 17:58:36< zaroth> Gambit: how is this list connected to writing an app which will disregard this file and grab logs directly?
20110506 17:58:46< Gambit> Unnheulu: Sure, if you want to be IP banned.
20110506 17:59:02< Unnheulu> Gambit, but how does it know if something is a bot or not? :P
20110506 17:59:31< Gambit> Regular checks from an IP at inhuman intervals?
20110506 17:59:53< Unnheulu> Umm; your web browser reloads itself at regular intervals >.>
20110506 18:00:10< Gambit> zaroth: Because that file is wesnoth.org asking robots not to request those resources.
20110506 18:00:25< Unnheulu> It's not a robot :/
20110506 18:00:36< Unnheulu> It's a bot^_^
20110506 18:01:19< Gambit> :|
20110506 18:01:47< zaroth> well, then what I wrote stays: it
20110506 18:01:56< zaroth> it's better to embed a tiny ircbot in the app
20110506 18:02:06< Gambit> zaroth: #wesnoth-mp-lobby-stable
20110506 18:02:26< zaroth> Gambit: yes, the bot would lurk on this very channel
20110506 18:02:52< Gambit> Well that'd be rather spammy.
20110506 18:02:58< tomreyn> actually i didn't intend to write one... I was just wondering whether and if so, how, Wesnoth had solved this issue, since we also have it for MEgaGlest
20110506 18:03:03< Unnheulu> Gambit, so, if there were a bot which reads the title of a page which was pasted in the channel...
20110506 18:03:16< Unnheulu> And I pasted a link to the irclogs page a lot; then that bot would get ip banned?
20110506 18:03:46< Gambit> Of course not. That bot's author would make it ignore you.
20110506 18:03:47< zaroth> Gambit: how could an app subscribing to an irc channel and scanning its contents without writing anything be "spammy"?
20110506 18:03:57< Unnheulu> Assuming that did not happen
20110506 18:04:18< Unnheulu> Like it was done in pm and the author was not reading the console; or something similar
20110506 18:04:22< Gambit> zaroth: Wait what?
20110506 18:04:38< Gambit> Just join #wesnoth-mp-lobby-stable and add a regular expression highlight to your IRC client.
20110506 18:04:46< Gambit> That's essentially what you're asking for.
20110506 18:04:56< Gambit> Unnheulu: He probably has logs.
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20110506 18:05:15< Unnheulu> Gambit, assuming I made a bot which did something similar then
20110506 18:05:24< zaroth> Gambit: what I'm proposing is an user-side app with a tiny irc client embedded sitting on #wesnoth-mp-lobby-stable and popping up regexps in a nice notification bubbles
20110506 18:05:28< Unnheulu> Or the author did not care what the bot did in pm's
20110506 18:05:43< zaroth> sure, you could use a regular irc client for that, but it wouldn't be that user friendly ;-)
20110506 18:05:48< Gambit> Unnheulu: on demand request != automated requests every X seconds
20110506 18:06:27< zaroth> but since tomreyn isn't interested (and neither am I to the point of writing it), the point is moot :-)
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20110506 18:17:32< Unnheulu> Gambit, besides, what's wrong with bots accessing those pages?
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20110506 18:19:54< Gambit> Unnheulu: I don't know.
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20110506 18:20:54< Gambit> Mostly I'd imagine it's too keep them off of search engines.
20110506 18:22:14< Gambit> IIRC Norbert got permission for a script that accessed /replays/, but with the condition of not personally identifying the people behind the stats.
20110506 18:24:32< zaroth> Unnheulu: besides, as I wrote, some of these text files in irclogs/ are pretty huge... and update pretty often
20110506 18:24:54< zaroth> so search engines updating on these could generate quite a bit of bandwith usage
20110506 18:25:15< zaroth> which isn't that useful to anyone, really
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20110506 18:26:10 * zaroth feels good that irclogs are off google search
20110506 18:26:21< zaroth> Google, you're not that non-evil as you try to be!
20110506 18:26:22 * zaroth hides
20110506 18:27:13< Gambit> I wish IRC logs were searchable. :(
20110506 18:27:48< Gambit> (And the reason that I jumped in to tell you all that it was off limits, is because I offered to make us something for that!)
20110506 18:27:59< Gambit> (And was told no.)
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20110506 18:33:28< Soliton> you wanted to make what exactly?
20110506 18:34:47< Gambit> A private search engine essentially.
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20110506 18:39:44< Soliton> why private? and why would you not be allowed to do that?
20110506 18:40:22< Gambit> Private as in part of wesnoth.org
20110506 18:40:53< Gambit> And not open to the wider internet.
20110506 18:41:18< Gambit> And because others don't want the irclogs to be searchable
20110506 18:42:52< Soliton> i have no idea who that would be but there are certainly many people that do want to search the logs easily.
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20110506 19:03:03< Cookiee> Soliton, Gambit: Isnt the irc logs easily searchable already with the use of your internet browser?
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20110506 19:03:51< Cookiee> Unless you mean the search engine would search every date and logs of IRC instead of just one
20110506 19:04:35< zookeeper> yes, i don't think they want to make a tool for searching for text on a single webpage.
20110506 19:05:28< Cookiee> But you know what would actually be useful, if WC campaigns replays actually had the players playing instead of player1 and player 2 etc... =.='"
20110506 19:05:50< Cookiee> i should ask Nat about that later :L
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20110506 19:55:25< hiroprotagonist> hey!
20110506 19:55:35< Filar> hello
20110506 19:55:46< hiroprotagonist> i just found out about the irc channel :)
20110506 19:57:15< hiroprotagonist> pretty cool
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20110506 20:03:56< hiroprotagonist> hey shadowmaster
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20110506 20:06:47< hiroprotagonist> so not much in dthe way of talking around here...i'm new to IRC
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20110506 20:19:34< Soliton> in topical channels like this one there is usually only talk if someone has something on topic to say.
20110506 20:19:42< hiroprotagonist> ah i see
20110506 20:19:44< hiroprotagonist> thanks
20110506 20:19:53< hiroprotagonist> if i go to the off topic one it will be livelier?
20110506 20:20:22< hiroprotagonist> but as far as topics go...can anyone comment on experiences using linux vs mac? (playing wesnoth)
20110506 20:20:54< Soliton> maybe, i'm not in the off topic channel.
20110506 20:21:38< Soliton> there shouldn't be a big difference playing wesnoth on any platform.
20110506 20:21:51< hiroprotagonist> well performance wise i meant mostly
20110506 20:21:55< hiroprotagonist> my computer is kinda old...
20110506 20:22:09< hiroprotagonist> so i was wondering if it seems more responsive on linux
20110506 20:23:17< Rhonda> cookie: hah
20110506 20:24:21< cookie> xD 
20110506 20:24:55< cookie> Rhonda: i couldve purposed a whole argument on why it was insulting but i decided not to as it would waste my time 
20110506 20:25:19< cookie> and you do know, youre still not worthy to have time wasted for you :L
20110506 20:25:35< Rhonda> Of course it is.
20110506 20:26:01< Rhonda> Or not. Depends only if you like to take it insulting.
20110506 20:26:50< cookie> Yeah but I always over exaggerate just for the sake of it 
20110506 20:27:43< Rhonda> I don't owe you anything, so it is my job to wether I'd like to use my spare time with you (generally spoken)
20110506 20:28:30< Rhonda> So if you (generally spoken) are insulted that I'd like to decide *myself* whether I'd like to listen to you (generally spoken), it's your issue, not mine
20110506 20:28:39< cookie> yeah but if there was actually something serious... I would might as well act even more annoying on the reason you have that message :P
20110506 20:29:17< cookie> Rhonda: yeah but you'd be bothered so much because of the beeping noises your cilent should do :P
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20110506 20:29:27< cookie> and when you check it.. half of it might be spamm :P
20110506 20:30:34< Rhonda> Why should my client beep?
20110506 20:30:48< cookie> Hopefully to make you get headaches :L 
20110506 20:31:05< Rhonda> If there is something serious then the seriousness should make you ignore the away message, not?
20110506 20:31:27< cookie> Or so you wont get paranoid in loninless.. (IRC cilent is talking to you)
20110506 20:31:35< Rhonda> If the client would beep, I'd switch it.
20110506 20:31:52< Rhonda> Or rather, it could beep as much as it likes, it is running in a server center after all.
20110506 20:32:23< Rhonda> You mean spam like your message? Happens very rarely.
20110506 20:32:46< cookie> lol. people who walk past 'Whats that noise, Sounds like a Bomb.... OMG ITS STILL THERE!..... omg run for your lives!'
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20110506 20:38:43< Rhonda> If your client does display it to you after every single message you send then I can understand that it disturbs you with annoying beeps, too
20110506 20:43:25< cookie> no its just highlighted thank goodness
20110506 20:43:33< cookie> i wouldnt use it if it beeped either
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20110506 21:05:27< cookie> Rhonda: goodnight!
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20110506 21:07:55 * Rhonda . o O ( how insulting, not giving a chance to respond )
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