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20110508 03:02:28 * oldtopman test
20110508 03:02:49< shadowm_laptop> oldtopman: do not use /ame, /amsg or other such silliness.
20110508 03:03:10< oldtopman> Sorry, I had no idea what it did.
20110508 03:03:24< oldtopman> It said "All chan" (xchat)
20110508 03:03:24< shadowm_laptop> the "a" stands for "all joined channels"
20110508 03:03:32< oldtopman> I know now!
20110508 03:04:08 * oldtopman Sorry all of you, I had no idea what ame did. Not using it again btw
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20110508 05:12:46< oldtopman> This is a test of amsg. Sorry if it offends anyone. If it does so, I shall not repeat it.
20110508 05:14:35< Gambit> Didn't someone tell you that it was offensive two hours ago?
20110508 05:15:30< Gambit> Not to mention that with a dumb enough client and a fast enough connection you can get yourself flood kicked.
20110508 05:15:31< oldtopman> that was ame
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20110508 05:16:17< Gambit> The difference is trivial really.
20110508 05:16:48< shadowmaster> 22:02:49 <shadowm_laptop> oldtopman: do not use /ame, /amsg or other such silliness.
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20110508 05:17:13< shadowmaster> I'm sure you can spot the relevant bit in that line.
20110508 05:18:36< oldtopman> :/
20110508 05:18:40< oldtopman> My oversight
20110508 05:18:53< oldtopman> Wouldn't two lines of join/part be just as bad though?
20110508 05:19:34< shadowmaster> Join/part spam is certainly unwanted.
20110508 05:20:19< oldtopman> Anyway, that is behind us
20110508 05:20:24< oldtopman> I shall not repeat it.
20110508 05:20:44< Gambit> oldtopman: You have failed me for the last time.
20110508 05:20:58< oldtopman> Seriously?
20110508 05:21:28< Gambit> shadowmaster: Make ready to land our troops beyond their energy field, and deploy the fleet so that nothing gets off the system.
20110508 05:21:35< Gambit> You are in command now.
20110508 05:21:39< Espreon> ...
20110508 05:22:21< shadowmaster> yay
20110508 05:22:48< shadowmaster> As my first action as fleet Admiral, I'll send forth cats wrapped in poptarts to conquer the system
20110508 05:22:54< shadowmaster> we need the tax income
20110508 05:23:10< Gambit> Espreon: I find your lack of faith disturbing.
20110508 05:24:40< happygrue> Gambit: I think you mean:  I find your lack of pants disturbing #replaceawordinastarwarslinewithpants
20110508 05:25:22< Gambit> happygrue: The power to replace a word in a Star Wars line with pants is insignificant next to the power of Nyan Cat.
20110508 05:25:45 * oldtopman DDoS' Gambit
20110508 05:26:21< happygrue> Gambit: touche
20110508 05:27:24< Gambit> oldtopman: You can destroy the forum emperor. Join me and together we can rule this channel as father and son.
20110508 05:28:38< oldtopman> Gambit: F*** the channel, lets take the network!
20110508 05:28:52< oldtopman> I have amsg, you do too, we can take it together!
20110508 05:29:23< Gambit> Sadly my cybernetic body renders me incapable of using amsg.
20110508 05:29:26< Gambit> Or force lightening.
20110508 05:29:51< shadowmaster> Gambit: Lightning.
20110508 05:30:16< Gambit> I meant what I said.
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20110508 05:30:28< Gambit> The ability to light up a room would be very useful against a master of shadows.
20110508 05:30:44< shadowmaster> Uh,
20110508 05:30:52< shadowmaster> except you forgot that my aversion to light is a myth
20110508 05:33:43< Gambit> I feel like we've done this before.
20110508 05:34:29< Gambit> Like… right down to the "lightening" part.
20110508 05:34:56< shadowmaster> yes
20110508 05:35:11< shadowmaster> I also feel you've told me we've done something before many times.
20110508 05:35:34< shadowmaster> A déjà vu in your déjà vu. That's deep, man!
20110508 05:35:49< Gambit> Yo dawg.
20110508 05:37:09< Cookiee> :O Gambit uses the word 'dawg' 
20110508 05:37:15 * Cookiee is slightly scared
20110508 05:37:21< Gambit> Only when invoking memes.
20110508 05:37:43< Gambit> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/xzibit-yo-dawg
20110508 05:38:40< Cookiee> Gambit: i dont trust your links :L
20110508 05:38:57< Gambit> Now what have I ever done to earn that distrust? :|
20110508 05:41:24< Cookiee> Nothing but cause shadowmaster doesnt click on your links. I think it might hav a good reason :L just because it shadowmaster
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20110508 06:18:25< oldtopman> Night!
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20110508 07:13:49< Natasiel> someone knows about "Invalid WML found: [deprecated_message] not supported at scenario toplevel" from 1.8 to 1.9?
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20110508 09:10:27< Ivanovic> moin
20110508 09:11:37< Ivanovic> Natasiel: the message is just what it says
20110508 09:12:03< Ivanovic> you may no longer use some element you are using right at the top level
20110508 09:12:12< Ivanovic> but need it in some kind of event or the likes
20110508 09:12:47< Ivanovic> to tell you more someone knowing wml would need to look over your code
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20110508 09:24:26< Natasiel> Ivanovic, thank you, it was caused by some ON_EVENT macros
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20110508 13:38:50< happygrue> zookeeper: regarding bats, what about changing the number of traits to 3 and switching feral to 50%?  Then they should get 2 normal traits.  Is there a problem I'm not seeing with that?
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20110508 13:50:14< happygrue> I see that it works, though having 3 traits is obviously not ideal
20110508 13:55:31< zookeeper> happygrue, i hate seeing 3 traits on a single unit :| fits really poorly in the right panel and there just aren't any cases of 3 traits except in a few silly new campaigns anyway.
20110508 13:55:48< happygrue> zookeeper: yes I agree
20110508 13:56:38< happygrue> I think that the options for this realease would be 1) try it with three traits to see if the balance change of 50% def works.  or 2) remove feral for now and keep bat defense like it is in stable
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20110508 14:00:49< zookeeper> happygrue, IIRC we can't do 2 without changing village aliasing back to how it is in stable.
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20110508 14:06:26< happygrue> zookeeper: ah.  But Knalgans still have 60/50 on villages?
20110508 14:07:58< zookeeper> happygrue, i dunno. depends on the village, i'm sure.
20110508 14:08:24< happygrue> yeah, they get it on mountain vilalges because their terrian def is better than their village def there - so I thoguht it would be the same
20110508 14:08:32< happygrue> er, hills and mountains
20110508 14:09:12< zookeeper> if you remove feral from bats then they'll always get 60% everyone because their defense is 60% on all terrains you might see a village on
20110508 14:09:20< zookeeper> that's not the case in 1.8
20110508 14:09:32< happygrue> I see, yes
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20110508 14:09:36< zookeeper> ...because in 1.8 villages don't always alias to their base + village
20110508 14:10:45< happygrue> well, I guess as ugly as it is perhaps having 3 traits is the way to go with this release and we'll just have to find a better solution (like giving them 9 moves and keeping feral + 1 trait) in the future
20110508 14:12:31< happygrue> the reason it's important now is that this we're hoping to attract the 1v1 crowd for balancing in 1.9.6
20110508 14:14:30< happygrue> and the bat change is a problem for that crowd.
20110508 14:14:42< happygrue> Ivanovic: thoughts ^ ?
20110508 14:15:13< zookeeper> so the problem is that getting quick bats is really crucial?
20110508 14:16:31< zookeeper> and that now you're less likely to get quick bats, and if don't get any then you're likely screwed or at least it's gonna be really hard to win?
20110508 14:16:33< happygrue> well, the issue is that it's a nerf to bats.  getting quick is a part of it, probably the major part.
20110508 14:17:02< zookeeper> how about upping their MP by 1 and removing quick?
20110508 14:17:26< happygrue> zookeeper: it's nitpicky, but the 1v1 maps in stable have been extensivly changed over time BECAUSE of the difference in village defense of bats.  
20110508 14:18:38< happygrue> zookeeper: I think that would work, but I hesitate to make that kind of change without talking to the other mp folks and they haven't been on since this has come up
20110508 14:19:09< happygrue> perhaps that is best though.  9 move, remove quick and 50% feral
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20110508 14:20:01< zookeeper> it's worth asking the others, i'd imagine
20110508 14:20:16< happygrue> it's nitpicky enough that I would prefer to do nothing, but the very people who will provide detailed feedback about Khalifate balance and the other unit balance changes are the ones who will do nothing but gripe about bats if they are unchanged ;)
20110508 14:20:23< happygrue> *do nothing right now
20110508 14:20:57< happygrue> I'll send out some PMs/emails
20110508 14:21:18< zookeeper> or we could add "moving to a village takes 2 MP" to feral ;)
20110508 14:21:59< happygrue> hehe
20110508 14:26:14< happygrue> Soliton: bat tweak above look okay?
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20110508 14:33:15< Soliton> why would feral be a random trait?
20110508 14:33:35< happygrue> it's a must have that bats currently have in 1.9.x
20110508 14:33:53< Soliton> hence my question.
20110508 14:33:57< happygrue> it's there to mess with their village defense, to correct for how it works now
20110508 14:34:22< happygrue> if it is removed then they will go back to 60% def everywhere
20110508 14:34:36< Soliton> i'm aware what feral is.
20110508 14:34:50< Soliton> my question is why it would be random instead of must have.
20110508 14:35:07< happygrue> ah, I misunderstood.  It is not random
20110508 14:35:47< Soliton> ok. "50% feral" sounded that way.
20110508 14:36:10< happygrue> the change would be:  bats get +1 move, 50% defense in villages (via feral), and LOSE the quick trait
20110508 14:36:25< happygrue> so basically, bats always get "quick" and one other trait
20110508 14:36:26< Soliton> ok, where can i read about the bat complaints?
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20110508 14:37:01< happygrue> good question, I'm not sure if there is a good thread
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20110508 14:45:58< happygrue> nope, I don't see one.
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20110508 15:26:24< Ivanovic> happygrue: honestly, i will leave balancing to those that know the game better than me and play it competively
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