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20110514 00:03:08< dougmencken> btw, is there any chance to be mentioned on "official" site? 
20110514 00:04:18< dougmencken> linux-powerpc binaries; 24/7; http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/manulix/wesnoth-bin-powerpc/
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20110514 00:04:49< dougmencken> well-tested by myself
20110514 00:05:29< Soliton> if by official site you mean the download page in the wiki then well... it's a wiki.
20110514 00:05:55< dougmencken> link?
20110514 00:06:03< zaroth> on the frontpage
20110514 00:06:24< dougmencken> okay, going to wild wild web
20110514 00:06:34< Soliton> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Download
20110514 00:07:00< zaroth> Soliton: btw, who is the Gentoo packager? somebody from Wesnoth team?
20110514 00:07:26< zaroth> I only know about windows packager, loonycyborg - who does all the linux packaging?
20110514 00:07:47< Soliton> i don't think so. Ivanovic knows him maybe.
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20110514 00:08:02< Soliton> Rhonda packages for debian.
20110514 00:08:06< dougmencken> Soliton: zaroth: that wiki page is non-editable
20110514 00:08:41< zaroth> dougmencken: then ask Ivanovic about it
20110514 00:08:57< Soliton> that wiki page is editable like every other page.
20110514 00:08:58< dougmencken> on bottom, there's login/register stuff, is it that
20110514 00:09:08< Soliton> yes, you need an account.
20110514 00:09:16< dougmencken> ah
20110514 00:12:13< dougmencken> wow, really wikipedia-2006-like registration process
20110514 00:12:30< dougmencken> mediawiki :)
20110514 00:12:54< zaroth> dougmencken: is it better now on mediawiki?
20110514 00:13:19< zaroth> we actually could use better registration process on wiki, since the current one lets many bots through
20110514 00:13:38< dougmencken> Incorrect or missing confirmation code.  << where to get it? I don't see any code
20110514 00:14:00< dougmencken> maybe it's flash (i.e. unavail at all) or adblocked
20110514 00:14:21< zaroth> dougmencken: it's standard recaptcha
20110514 00:15:05< dougmencken> zaroth: maybe I better up the shot
20110514 00:17:20< dougmencken> imageshack okay?
20110514 00:17:38< dougmencken> I'm slave in the web ;)
20110514 00:17:57< dougmencken> s/web/modern web/
20110514 00:20:48< dougmencken> gnome file dialog is like wesnoth 666.9.6 ;) so much load
20110514 00:21:17< dougmencken> 17.4!
20110514 00:21:27< dougmencken> (1740% for windows users)
20110514 00:21:42< dougmencken> my mice is crazy now
20110514 00:24:38< dougmencken> screenshot: http://img194.imageshack.us/i/shot140511001620.jpg/
20110514 00:26:03< dougmencken> where is recaptcha?
20110514 00:26:16< Ivanovic> nope, mr_bones_ does the packaging
20110514 00:26:20< Ivanovic> someone from the gentoo team
20110514 00:26:45< dougmencken> Ivanovic: I'm doing powerpc builds
20110514 00:26:57< dougmencken> does mr_bones_ too
20110514 00:27:01< Ivanovic> dougmencken: which powerpc builds?
20110514 00:27:10< dougmencken> linux powerpc
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20110514 00:27:21< Ivanovic> what kind of binaries are those supposed to be?
20110514 00:27:29< Ivanovic> "linux powerpc" does not say anything, really
20110514 00:27:37< Ivanovic> we don't have some "generic linux binary"
20110514 00:27:50< Ivanovic> we rely on the distributions doing their own packaging in their native ways
20110514 00:28:00< Ivanovic> eg gentoo offers ebuilds, debian offers debs, ...
20110514 00:28:03< dougmencken> Ivanovic: on my download site there's ldd with all library versions
20110514 00:28:15< dougmencken> Ivanovic: call it slackware ;)
20110514 00:29:07< dougmencken> Ivanovic: I do offer build scripts and binaries, sources are taken for vanilla tarballs
20110514 00:29:17< dougmencken> s/for/from/
20110514 00:29:46< Ivanovic> so basically "this is outside of your package manager"-builds
20110514 00:30:19< dougmencken> Ivanovic: just binpackage supposed to be extracted in /
20110514 00:30:33< Ivanovic> okay, those are *REALLY* bad!
20110514 00:30:47< Ivanovic> they can easily f*** with your system
20110514 00:30:47< dougmencken> why?
20110514 00:30:48< Ivanovic> extracting to / and relying on this that is
20110514 00:31:10< Ivanovic> you might overwrite/replace libs and/or lead to problematic ones being found during building/linking of programs
20110514 00:31:15< dougmencken> Ivanovic: ../SERVICE-SCRIPTS/remove-archive-contents.sh
20110514 00:31:30< dougmencken> it's GPLv3 script I wrote
20110514 00:31:46< dougmencken> very cool for de-nstallation
20110514 00:32:03< Ivanovic> and in general: those with admin privs (meaning those that are allowed to write to / ) tend to just use the package manager
20110514 00:32:30< dougmencken> Ivanovic: okay; tell me some distro now providing 1.9.6 binaries
20110514 00:32:33< dougmencken> for powerpc
20110514 00:32:35< Ivanovic> it makes more since to offer those "distribution independent packages" for those that can *not* use their package manager and thus have to install eg into their $HOME
20110514 00:32:55< Ivanovic> the architecture makes no difference for this, it can be arm, x86, ppc, sparc, ...
20110514 00:33:13< dougmencken> Ivanovic: ever player wesnoth on sparc? /me did
20110514 00:33:20< dougmencken> played*
20110514 00:33:29< Ivanovic> i don't have a sparc, so no
20110514 00:33:36< dougmencken> nice
20110514 00:33:50< dougmencken> Ivanovic: so you're x86 only guy, right?
20110514 00:33:50< Ivanovic> and i no longer have a ppc either (had an ibook g4 ages ago but sold it when getting a new laptop)
20110514 00:34:01< Ivanovic> and of course i got some arm devices like eg the pandora
20110514 00:34:25< dougmencken> oh, pandora... 
20110514 00:35:15< dougmencken> Ivanovic: okay, so what are we talking about? about that "everything must be installed from package management system"? or?
20110514 00:35:37< dougmencken> my pacman system is cool
20110514 00:35:45< Ivanovic> what i was talking about that it makes sense to offer some packages to eg install into the users $HOME
20110514 00:36:00< Ivanovic> but installing into / is what the package manager is for
20110514 00:36:12< dougmencken> Ivanovic: okay, those binpkgs can be unpacked into $HOME too
20110514 00:36:13< Ivanovic> (or just using the sources when going the LFS way)
20110514 00:36:22< Ivanovic> dougmencken: good
20110514 00:36:40< dougmencken> there're just /usr/share/wesnoth and /usr/bin/wesnoth
20110514 00:37:18< dougmencken> if you're okay with /home/Ivanovic/usr/bin/wesnoth, then.../ okay
20110514 00:37:54< dougmencken> say hello to LD_LIBRARY_PATH and stuff
20110514 00:39:02< dougmencken> universal package; even data.tgz inside .deb is just extracible to / archives
20110514 00:39:12< dougmencken> ctible*
20110514 00:42:43< dougmencken> still can't register on wesnoth wiki
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20110514 00:57:02< dougmencken> okay, got Arora browser
20110514 00:58:20< dougmencken> anyway, "To help protect against automated account creation, please type the two words you see in the box below:" and there's *nothing* below, no box, wanna look at HTML code?
20110514 00:59:46< dougmencken> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://api.recaptcha.net/challenge?k=6LcvfrsSAAAAAHaRzc9ULLnJUMtkzdAPgjuOAnZS"></script> <<<<< doesn't work
20110514 01:02:20< Gambit> Works here.
20110514 01:02:50< Gambit> Try a less obscure browser maybe.
20110514 01:03:37< dougmencken> open that page and got "This Connection is Untrusted", "If you understand what's going on, you can tell GNU IceCat to start trusting this site's identification. Even if you trust the site, this error could mean that someone is tampering with your connection."
20110514 01:04:08< dougmencken> less obscure browser? with js support? tell me one
20110514 01:04:13< dougmencken> Gambit ^^
20110514 01:04:26< Gambit> Well there you have it. Your browser doesn't trust recaptcha.net
20110514 01:06:08< dougmencken> both of them; so maybe recaptcha's serc is expired or such
20110514 01:06:48< Gambit> It's not https, so that's weird.
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20110514 01:08:47< dougmencken> heh done
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20110514 01:11:04< dougmencken> Ivanovic: is this one okay? http://wiki.wesnoth.org/index.php?title=WesnothBinariesLinux&action=edit&section=17
20110514 01:11:38< shadowmaster> That's probably not the link you wanted.
20110514 01:12:08< dougmencken> ?
20110514 01:12:49< shadowmaster> You linked us to the wiki's page editor editing a section of WesnothBinariesLinux that only contains:
20110514 01:12:52< shadowmaster>   * [http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=wesnoth Search RPMs]
20110514 01:13:12< dougmencken> shadowmaster: yeah, I'm editing it now
20110514 01:13:23< shadowmaster> Submit your changes if you want anyone to take a look at them tehn.
20110514 01:13:41< dougmencken> shadowmaster: just vanilla wesnoth
20110514 01:13:54< dougmencken> no changes; build scripts are gplv3
20110514 01:14:00< dougmencken> and available
20110514 01:14:08< shadowmaster> wiki changes
20110514 01:14:20< dougmencken> ah okay
20110514 01:17:07< dougmencken> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/index.php?title=WesnothBinariesLinux&diff=42652&oldid=42636
20110514 01:19:03< dougmencken> btw, can't you just pop "history" page ;)
20110514 01:20:00< shadowmaster> popping pages sounds like a bad idea
20110514 01:20:24< dougmencken> I dunno how is it in english... tap maybe
20110514 01:20:42< dougmencken> or even "just click once"
20110514 01:21:07< dougmencken> touch :)
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20110514 01:21:25< varlokkur> hello
20110514 01:21:48< dougmencken> hi
20110514 01:22:05< varlokkur> i'm looking for advice on the 3rd scenario of the Legend of Wesmere campaign, 1.9.6 edition.  Has anyone managed to beat it?
20110514 01:22:51< dougmencken> varlokkur: I tried orc scenario... but on 4th level with shamans and 4 elvish bosses... can't beat it
20110514 01:23:35< dougmencken> just re-loading each turn to get more luck... very very hard level
20110514 01:23:47< varlokkur> hmm, i can't even get that far
20110514 01:24:41< varlokkur> i manage to fend off the attackers for the first 9 turns quite well, but losing control of Galtrid(sp) means that most of his troops end up dying pointlessly, while Kalenz and his troops can't fend off the huge invasion on turn 13 or so
20110514 01:25:22< varlokkur> the campaign 'walkthrough' in the wiki is outdated, or at least only applies to earlier editions of the scenario.  i can't recruit any shamans to help w/ the poison problem :(
20110514 01:26:53< varlokkur> oh well. i replied to the development forum threads.  just thought i'd stop by here to see if anyone has more suggestions
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20110514 10:14:59< Ivanovic> moin
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20110514 16:57:56< Gallaecio> No one reported 1.8.6 not compiling because of pt_BR translation? oO
20110514 16:58:36< Gallaecio> Or is it just my system?
20110514 16:59:05< Gallaecio> Will try again, just in case.
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20110514 21:13:44< MCP`> WML Question: I want some advice and how-to for this problem:
20110514 21:14:13< MCP`> I want a map of either position(X,Y) or Unique Unit Name to a data structure.
20110514 21:15:23< MCP`> 1. I don't know how to create a data structure and 2. I don't know if a Map is possible in WML. Please help me find out which WML I reference I should be reading so I can understand how to do this.
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20110514 21:30:11< zookeeper> MCP`, i've very rarely found a need to use data structures other than a simple array in WML.
20110514 21:31:02< zookeeper> if you really really really need something like that, you really should do it using embedded lua
20110514 21:32:24< zookeeper> however, i'd suggest that you rather describe what you're really trying to accomplish, since it seems unlikely that you really need a map
20110514 21:32:43< MCP`> Ok, let me try to describe it with a better WML example.
20110514 21:35:06< MCP`> On an event, such as moveto, I'll use the position to get the unit's unique ID through a filter and perhaps store_unit or unit tags. Now that I know this particular unit has moved, I want to manipulate this data structure I have associated with this unit.
20110514 21:35:56< MCP`> This data structure might contain information, for instance, about how many kills it has. A Kills counter is probably not something available in the unit variable, so I have to keep track of this myself.
20110514 21:36:15< zookeeper> ah, well, in that case you might want to know that you can save arbitrary variables inside units
20110514 21:36:22< MCP`> YES!
20110514 21:36:35< zookeeper> {VARIABLE myunit.variables.mycustomvariable "whatever"}
20110514 21:36:40< zookeeper> (and then unstore it)
20110514 21:36:54< MCP`> Oh ok so variables does do that. I was confused just now reading that description.
20110514 21:37:19< MCP`> I will try adding some strings or something and check it out. Thank you very much.
20110514 21:38:20< zookeeper> they work exactly like all other properties of units (unit.hitpoints, unit.x, etc), but custom unit variables put somewhere other than unit.variables might disappear at any time.
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20110514 22:26:06< ancestral> I've been slacking
20110514 22:26:23< ancestral> monochromatic: I still need a sprite
20110514 22:26:49< monochromatic> :)
20110514 22:27:04< monochromatic> Zerovirus has accepted the official sprite position.
20110514 22:27:09< ancestral> Sweet
20110514 22:27:10< monochromatic> So ask him,
20110514 22:27:15< ancestral> He's not here :(
20110514 22:27:19< monochromatic> Announcing in the thread soon.
20110514 22:27:19< ancestral> I'll PM him?
20110514 22:27:20< monochromatic> PM?
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20110514 22:27:39< ancestral> monochromatic: What kind of AMLA stuff do I get to choose? I'm a little confused how that works
20110514 22:27:50< monochromatic> Anything.
20110514 22:28:14< monochromatic> Abilities you think you might want to have eventually, extra attacks, etc.
20110514 22:28:39< monochromatic> I'm collecting ideas and then balancing them when I balance the era.
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20110514 22:28:50< monochromatic> Or rather, 'we'.
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20110514 22:37:27< ancestral> Alright
20110514 22:39:08< monochromatic> zookeeper: Question. Would this work? http://pastebin.com/SUcg5FCg
20110514 22:41:11< shadowmaster> trivial enough to test by yourself nowadays: http://pastebin.com/2jZQbnZD
20110514 22:41:27< zookeeper> monochromatic, i'm sure it'll work. whether it'll work as you expect is another matter and i wouldn't know.
20110514 22:41:46< monochromatic> Is there a good workaround?
20110514 22:43:05< zookeeper> a workaround for what?
20110514 22:43:25< monochromatic> Nevermind. I think I'll just test it.
20110514 22:43:32< monochromatic> Be back in a bit.
20110514 22:48:01< monochromatic> zookeeper: Actually, it doesn't work at all.
20110514 22:48:24< monochromatic> Hm.
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20110514 23:19:17< MCP`> Hi again zookeper (or anyone). I'm having trouble getting wesnoth 1.8.5 to recognize my add-on as a map in multiplayer. I ran wmllint but it isn't complaining about anything. Would someone be willing to pop it into their add-ons to see if it works and/or see what is wrong?
20110514 23:24:47< Soliton> post it somewhere and i'm sure someone will have a look.
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20110514 23:26:04< MCP`> Should I just make a thread and attach a tar file?
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20110514 23:27:59< Soliton> whatever works for you.
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20110514 23:29:08< MCP`> Ok: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=33853
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20110514 23:42:36< Soliton> MCP`: you either put a HoMMW.cfg next to the dir or a _main.cfg inside the dir.
20110514 23:42:52< MCP`> kk I'm searing for _main.cfg on wesnoth now. Thank you.
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