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20110520 19:58:42< kernigh> Long time since I used IRC, but I think that this is the #wesnoth channel on Freenode, so I guess I am going to start talking about Wesnoth now.
20110520 19:59:36< kernigh> I am trying to know why Wesnoth likes to crash and dump core.
20110520 20:00:11< kernigh> For me, it only happens rarely, during my turn, on maps with lots of WML, like High Seas or Conquest. That is when it dumps core.
20110520 20:00:17< kernigh> I think that I might have found the reason, but I am not sure.
20110520 20:00:22< Crendgrim> this is #wesnoth on Freenode.
20110520 20:01:14< Soliton> well, post a backtrace if you can or describe a way to reproduce.
20110520 20:02:40< kernigh> I had _one_ good backtrace from gdb. Only one. But then I upgraded my system with new shared libraries, and recompiled my wesnoth.
20110520 20:03:02< kernigh> (I compile wesnoth from source, with CMake, using CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug, because I think that makes better backtraces.)
20110520 20:03:51< kernigh> These backtraces are so hard to get...
20110520 20:04:15< kernigh> First problem, I start up 'gdb wesnoth wesnoth-3.core', and it goes complains 'internal-error: virtual memory exhausted: can't allocate 258136819 bytees.'
20110520 20:04:30< kernigh> 'A problem internal to GDB has been detected, further debugging may prove unreliable.'
20110520 20:04:39< kernigh> But I found a way around that...
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20110520 20:06:16< kernigh> I did something as root to increase my ulimit -d.
20110520 20:06:36< kernigh> Then I ran gdb, and got one good backtrace. But I cannot open that core file now, because I recompiled wesnoth.
20110520 20:06:50< kernigh> I have two other core files, but they only say '#0  0x0000...000 in ?? ()'
20110520 20:07:12< kernigh> That is the entire backtrace. Perhaps the core file is bad.
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20110520 21:42:33< kernigh> I hate to write bug reports!
20110520 21:42:40< kernigh> I started almost 2 hours ago, and I am still not finished!
20110520 21:42:49< kernigh> It is also not a real bug report. It is a forum post to Technical Support.
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20110520 23:42:15< Unnheulu> Oh yayz, still only at a "B" in IT in school
20110520 23:42:24< Unnheulu> And I need an A for A-level computing
20110520 23:42:30< Unnheulu> Time to flashify my stuff -.-
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20110520 23:43:43< Unnheulu> shadowm_laptop, in your opinion, is it wrong to overuse flash on a website?
20110520 23:43:57< shadowm_laptop> yes
20110520 23:44:12< kernigh> Flash is bad. It makes a slow computer, or crashes.
20110520 23:44:23< Gambit> Unnheulu: It's wrong to use it at all unless you're making a game or video player or something like that.
20110520 23:44:37< Gambit> Think of the poor dial up users!
20110520 23:44:43< Unnheulu> Hah
20110520 23:44:56< Unnheulu> I'm about to coat my schoolwork with extra dosings of flash^_^
20110520 23:45:03< kernigh> I run OpenBSD, so I have no Adobe Flash. I can only use Gnash.
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20110520 23:45:17< kernigh> Gnash can freeze Firefox, so I turn if off unless I want to see a video.
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20110520 23:46:06< Gambit> Unnheulu: Real Web Designers™ use frames, scrolling marquees, and tiled photo background images.
20110520 23:46:16< Unnheulu> Indeed
20110520 23:46:22< Unnheulu> 10 years ago
20110520 23:46:28< Gambit> Nope. Even today.
20110520 23:46:35< kernigh> After almost 4 hours, I think that I have almost finished my post for forum.wesnoth.org
20110520 23:46:49< Gambit> Also they only make their sites in front page.
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20110520 23:46:53< Gambit> Unnheulu: http://www.prospectorjewelers.com/
20110520 23:47:14< Gambit> That woman insulted my web design skills because I removed all her marquees and flash banners from a website I took over from her ^_^
20110520 23:47:26< VurtualRuler98> real site designers-
20110520 23:47:29< VurtualRuler98> that site is pretty nice
20110520 23:47:32< Gambit> And I made it use divs instead of tables.
20110520 23:47:35< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: Lies.
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20110520 23:47:51< Gambit> Look at that terrible navbar.
20110520 23:47:52< VurtualRuler98> The overall layout, the tasteful, not-quite dirt not-quite delicious chocolate brown.
20110520 23:48:17< VurtualRuler98> The casual fadey-to-pictures thing, the scrolling thing is a bit ugly though
20110520 23:48:49< VurtualRuler98> the logo font could be changed, and the "customer care" part could be removed.
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20110520 23:50:43< kernigh> I want to click "Submit", but now I have to click "Preview" and proofread my forum post!
20110520 23:51:15< Gambit> ?
20110520 23:51:44< kernigh> When you post on forum.wesnoth.org, there is a "Submit" button and a "Preview" button.
20110520 23:52:03< Gambit> I am mildly familiar with that process yes.
20110520 23:52:25< kernigh> I have been writing this one forum post for almost 4 hours, and I want to check that I not forgot to write something.
20110520 23:53:01< Gambit> Okay.
20110520 23:53:45< kernigh> If I knew how to go faster...
20110520 23:54:04< kernigh> The other players in multiplayer have abbreviations like "brb", "hf" and "gg". And whenever I guess what one of those means, someone uses it differently.
20110520 23:54:11< Unnheulu> Out of curiosity; how long is the post?
20110520 23:54:45< kernigh> Right now, it is about as tall as 4 Firefox windows.
20110520 23:54:58< kernigh> The post includes two failed attempts to get a backtrace from gdb, and one screenshot. They take room.
20110520 23:55:03< Unnheulu> On what resolution? :P
20110520 23:55:08< Gambit> So just to be clear, your exclamation was not reporting some bug in the forum software/
20110520 23:55:30< kernigh> The "Preview" button seems to work, so I guess there is no bug.
20110520 23:55:32< Gambit> s/\//\?/;
20110520 23:56:01< Gambit> Okay. Happy posting then…
20110520 23:56:36< kernigh> I am too lazy to finish proofreading my post. Perhaps I just click "Submit" now.
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