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[~negusnyul@dsl4E5CCA87.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #wesnoth 20110524 16:03:44< Unnheulu> Why does XHTML force you to use CSS (practically)? -.- 20110524 16:03:57< Unnheulu> So annoying when I'm trying to make an HTML tutorial for beginners 20110524 16:06:04< Gambit> Uhhh 20110524 16:06:09< Gambit> Don't teach beginners XHTML? 20110524 16:06:15< Gambit> In fact, don't teach anyone XHTML? 20110524 16:06:42< atomicbomb> What's XHTML, anyway? 20110524 16:06:51 * atomicbomb is stupid 20110524 16:07:03< Crendgrim> XHTML is "better" HTML... 20110524 16:07:06< Crendgrim> (IMO) 20110524 16:07:14< Gambit> It's HTML for people with OCD 20110524 16:07:15< Crendgrim> it's a strict version of HTML 20110524 16:07:49< Crendgrim> and it forces you to use CSS, because using the html formation tags is bad. 20110524 16:08:05< Gambit> IIRC HTML 4.01 Strict also does this. 20110524 16:08:14< Cookiee> lol Gambit 20110524 16:08:23< Gambit> No need to name it like a whole new language. 20110524 16:08:27< Crendgrim> HTML 4.01 Strict allows some things XHTML doesn't allow 20110524 16:08:49< Crendgrim> for example, "
" is valid in HTML, but not in XHTML (where it has to be "
") 20110524 16:09:03< Crendgrim> I think that's really confusing for beginners to see where a tag starts and where it ends 20110524 16:09:14< Crendgrim> that's why I like XHTML more... 20110524 16:10:30< Gambit> Crendgrim: wrong again Bob 20110524 16:11:26< Gambit> HTML 4.01 Strict does not allow
20110524 16:11:31< Crendgrim> no? 20110524 16:11:38< Gambit> http://validator.w3.org/ 20110524 16:11:41< Crendgrim> sorry, I didn't use HTML for a while now 20110524 16:11:53< Crendgrim> I always thought
was XHTML-style only 20110524 16:12:45< Gambit> There are different standards of HTML 20110524 16:12:53< Crendgrim> Gambit: well... it does. 20110524 16:13:07< Gambit> Strict doesn't allow things that are planned to be phased out. 20110524 16:13:17< Crendgrim> HTML 4.01 Strict _does_ allow
... 20110524 16:13:42< Crendgrim> test

this
is a text

20110524 16:13:46< Crendgrim> this passes the validator. 20110524 16:13:58< Gambit> Because you're not using HTML 4.01 Strict 20110524 16:14:06< Gambit> You didn't specify a DOCTYPE 20110524 16:14:09< Gambit> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fdl.dropbox.com%2Fu%2F20566997%2Fbr.html&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0 20110524 16:14:22< Crendgrim> I did. 20110524 16:14:50< Crendgrim> the error the validator displays there is a totally different one 20110524 16:15:02< Gambit> hmm 20110524 16:15:03< Gambit> right 20110524 16:15:12< Gambit> bah I fail 20110524 16:15:12< Crendgrim> you didn't use

tags there, that's why it doesn't pass 20110524 16:15:18< Crendgrim> ;) 20110524 16:15:20< Gambit> I swear it nagged me about those before… 20110524 16:17:12< Gambit> ooooh they already have an HTML5 validator 20110524 16:17:54< Crendgrim> whut? nice 20110524 16:18:13-!- Cookiee [~quassel@unaffiliated/cookiee] has quit [Quit: OH. 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I'm making a campaign involving the Khalifate, and I want it to be more or less compatible with mainline wesnoth geography.. so anyone knows that where is the homeland of the Khalifate according to mainline? (are there any maps?) 20110524 17:46:32-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-62-217-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110524 17:48:58< Soliton> not sure if that has been decided yet. best ask noy when he is around, i think. 20110524 17:52:48< Crendgrim> there are already many discussions on that topic on the forums 20110524 17:53:13< Crendgrim> nooo :( 20110524 17:53:24< Crendgrim> Spam-Bots Level 2 got to the Wiki :( 20110524 17:54:00< Gambit> You require more rare candies. 20110524 17:54:13< Crendgrim> now they started to insert spam into the pages... 20110524 17:54:46< Crendgrim> we definitely *must* find a solution now. Where's monochromatic when you need him? :/ 20110524 17:56:24-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20110524 17:57:57< Crendgrim> noy: negusnyul asked a few minutes ago whether it's already decided where the khalifate are living 20110524 17:58:14< noy> yes 20110524 17:59:35-!- Noun [~nounexist@a91-154-53-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #wesnoth [] 20110524 18:00:22< negusnyul> re 20110524 18:00:28< negusnyul> thanks for the answers 20110524 18:01:36< negusnyul> noy: may I know where is the Khalifate's homeland? I searched the forums but didn't find anything, probably overlooked it 20110524 18:01:55< noy> Its not yet written down 20110524 18:02:12< noy> we worked on it ages ago 20110524 18:02:36< noy> and there is a campaign outline not yet completed 20110524 18:02:44< negusnyul> I asked it because I'm working on a campaign involving the Khalifate :) 20110524 18:03:05< negusnyul> and I want it to be mainline-compatible 20110524 18:04:23-!- lizard_r [~Rolf@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/lizard] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20110524 18:06:37< noy> well we're putting one together as well 20110524 18:06:47< noy> I don't know what more to say 20110524 18:10:27< negusnyul> noy: so can you please tell me where are they living in the world of Wesnoth compared to the main map? (btw, my campaign is not about the history of the Khalifate or how they came to Wesnoth, but the player can control them in several scenarios) 20110524 18:15:12< noy> its to the east, south east 20110524 18:16:31 * Unnheulu thought they had their own continent >.< 20110524 18:16:33< Unnheulu> Phail 20110524 18:21:18< negusnyul> noy: thanks for the info! That fits well with my initial story plan (first I thought of the south, but that's already occupied by large forests according to The South Guard) 20110524 18:25:59-!- MadMerlin [~neil@206-248-167-197.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20110524 18:26:04< zaroth> Crendgrim: that's absolutely terrifying... 20110524 18:26:56< zaroth> does monochromatic have access to ssh to do something with user registration on the wiki? 20110524 18:27:50-!- MadMerlin [~neil@206-248-167-197.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #wesnoth 20110524 18:29:12< Gambit> We really do need a custom anti-spam mod 20110524 18:29:20 * Gambit puts that on a todo list 20110524 18:30:04< Crendgrim> zaroth: I don't know 20110524 18:30:12< Crendgrim> zaroth: I can only say that I don't have it 20110524 18:31:08< Gambit> I highly doubt monochromatic has ssh access to wesnoth.org 20110524 18:31:53-!- happygrue_ [~George@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has joined #wesnoth 20110524 18:32:12< zaroth> I looked into the mediawiki registration php file a few days ago and I think I could change it accordingly, but I didn't test it 20110524 18:32:18 * zaroth was to lazy to set up apache 20110524 18:32:36< zaroth> besides, it was the newest version of mediawiki 20110524 18:32:54< zaroth> not the one we're using 20110524 18:33:04< Gambit> Which is potentially another thing we could do to fight spam. 20110524 18:33:28< zaroth> but if it's urgent, I will do it 20110524 18:33:44-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20110524 18:34:07-!- happygrue__ [~George@c-71-201-100-145.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth 20110524 18:34:26-!- happygrue [~George@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 20110524 18:34:44< zaroth> yeah, if somebody found the time and determination to upgrade our wiki, it'd be great.. 20110524 18:36:50-!- happygrue_ [~George@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20110524 18:43:25-!- happygrue__ is now known as 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20:51:35< matthiaskrgr> I think it is running since almost 9 hours or something 20110524 20:51:52< matthiaskrgr> only 9000 revisions to get :) 20110524 20:54:06< Ivanovic> matthiaskrgr: bad idea 20110524 20:54:15< Ivanovic> better use the official git ball which you can update later on 20110524 20:55:32< Ivanovic> i'll give you the url in a query (the direct link is hidden to make sure that our server is not overloaded!) 20110524 20:56:18< Ivanovic> for more info about this stuff: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GIT-SVN 20110524 21:00:42-!- Filar [~kamil@dgg42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #wesnoth 20110524 21:01:57-!- Panda_ [~panda@yer91-5-88-185-82-165.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #wesnoth 20110524 21:18:56-!- kai_62656 [~kai_62656@unaffiliated/kai-62656/x-7765177] has joined #wesnoth 20110524 21:21:08-!- vcap [~vcap@AReims-551-1-21-213.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20110524 21:27:03-!- happygrue [~George@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has quit [Read error: 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