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20110603 09:53:32< CIA-94> ivanovic * r49741 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog po/wesnoth-dw/ja.po): updated Japanese translation
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20110603 10:11:15< khelben1979> I choose to install Wesnoth 1.8.5, stable release yesterday so I got something over here. I still don't have any idea of how to compile up Wesnoth 1.9. I got no gzip support in iostreams, how can I fix it? Thanks for your support so far.
20110603 10:12:49< shadowmaster> may help to know what OS you are using...
20110603 10:13:21< shadowmaster> ah wait, nvm, I'll let people who were probably there figure it out
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20110603 10:41:52< khelben1979> OS: Debian Lenny, kernel 2.6.26, affects all versions of Wesnoth 1.9.x. If I get somewhere to download a .deb for Debian Lenny (i386 platform) I would be happy.
20110603 10:42:11< khelben1979> Only for 1.9.x.
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20110603 10:52:02< loonycyborg> khelben1979: I still think your issues are caused by -dev packages from different boost versions installed at the same time.
20110603 10:52:49< loonycyborg> That is unless files from a custom boost install aren't getting in the way too.
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20110603 11:03:09< khelben1979> Okay. Then it seems that I have learned my lesson, never to install a version of the boost system which are from their official homepage, only to stick with Debian packages, although install from source have worked OK with other system libraries, hmm. Or maybe I can clean up the custom boost libs. from the system by manually deleting the files? What do you think? A clean install of Debian in a couple of months fixes my current issue
20110603 11:03:10< khelben1979> s, as well.
20110603 11:04:33< {V}> khelben1979, what error were you getting?
20110603 11:07:18< loonycyborg> Yes. headers from custom install of boost could also explain it and you should remove them.
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20110603 11:09:54< {V}> khelben1979, also, did you try installing a 1.9 package intended for wheezy or sid? they might  not be intended to work on lenny, but that doesn't have to mean they won't work on lenny
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20110603 11:19:21< {V}> (even when the .deb requires different versions than you have installed, doesn't have to mean it wouldn't work if you edited the package to accept your installed versions)
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20110603 11:26:19< khelben1979> loonycyborg: to manually remove boost libs from my system, in what path do I find them? And is there an easy way to delete them? Not deleting my present boost libraries 1.35 which are on my system and working fine.
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20110603 11:35:59< {V}> khelben1979, have you tried finding them with: locate libboost
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20110603 11:51:31< loonycyborg> khelben1979: /usr/include/boost and /usr/lib/libboost_*
20110603 11:51:45< loonycyborg> Though those could be mix of system and custom.
20110603 11:52:38< loonycyborg> Just remove all boost-*-dev packages and then manually remove what remains.
20110603 11:55:41< loonycyborg> custom boost installs would be in /usr/local but according to compile flags used they could be causing this. There are only -I/usr/include -L/usr/lib
20110603 11:56:11< loonycyborg> So unless you changed the install destination that wouldn't be caused by custom install of boost.
20110603 11:58:34< loonycyborg> Most likely you just missed one of the -dev packages when updating to another boost version. Headers seem to be in libboost-dev while libraries to link against are in libboost_iostreams-dev etc.
20110603 11:59:19< loonycyborg> At least afaict.
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20110603 12:06:30< khelben1979> Custom install of boost was installed in /home/bear/usr/ from what I can see over here. I used no other setting for installing Wesnoth then default.
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20110603 12:20:33< khelben1979> All -dev packages is installed in Debian Lenny. I think that maybe libboost is broken for Lenny, it worked before for me, but I've never tried with Debian Lenny 5.0.8, so I'm giving up. I'm gonna format my hard disc in a few months and start from scratch.
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20110603 12:22:40 * {V} notices he didn't answer any of my questions.
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20110603 16:42:39< CIA-94> fendrin * r49742 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/utils/characters.cfg: Fixed misspelled attribute in Cleodil's character configuration.
20110603 16:43:46< CIA-94> fendrin * r49743 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/03_Kalian_under_Attack.cfg: Fixed Galtrid's recruit list.
20110603 16:46:30< fendrin> timotei: hi
20110603 16:46:47< timotei> fendrin: hi
20110603 16:47:06< fendrin> timotei: You are still in exam phase, aren't you?
20110603 16:47:24< timotei> fendrin: yep. till 19 June :(
20110603 16:47:36< fendrin> timotei: How is it going?
20110603 16:48:21< timotei> fendrin: tomorrow I have a nice (from a technical POV) exam, but a stupid one (because we have to learn by heart processor-specific details, like Core i7 Nehalem arhitecture)
20110603 16:48:22< timotei> xD
20110603 16:48:37< fendrin> Damn,
20110603 16:48:48< fendrin> I do hear a hardware lecture as well, right now.
20110603 16:48:57< fendrin> We use a simple mips instruction set.
20110603 16:48:59< timotei> the course by itself is nice, but we have a teacher that doesn't teach, but merely reads the courses 
20110603 16:49:10< timotei> oh, single cycle multicycle or pipelined?xd
20110603 16:49:26< fendrin> But we prove the correctness of the mips by induction proofs.
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20110603 16:49:34< timotei> ah
20110603 16:49:42< fendrin> So the lecture is quite hard.
20110603 16:49:49< timotei> yeah
20110603 16:50:18< fendrin> The processor is pipelined, cached, interrupts, MMU, 
20110603 16:50:35< fendrin> And maybe multicored at the end.
20110603 16:51:00< fendrin> We still have to choice between multicored and another feature I have forgotten.
20110603 16:51:07< fendrin> The exam is oral.
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20110603 16:54:10< fendrin> timotei: Okay, I will let you learn. We can do the eclipse stuff after your exam.
20110603 16:54:47< nephx> hello... What courses are you intending to graduate in? I have Software Engineering or Computing Science(have to choose that in a year), but I haven't seen lots of hardware specific courses
20110603 17:04:08< timotei> fendrin: ok.
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20110603 17:11:00< fendrin> nephx: image processing & computer vision
20110603 17:11:58< nephx> fendrin, sounds interesting... I heard that there's a lot of research going on on this topic in our uni :)
20110603 17:14:00< nephx> especially on the computer vision part
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20110603 17:23:19< Crendgrim> does anyone have an idea how translations of wiki pages could be organized?
20110603 17:23:51< eoc> really want to do that?
20110603 17:24:33< Crendgrim> if there aren't any good reasons against it, yes.
20110603 17:24:52< Crendgrim> it was already started with the MP CoC pages and worked quite well
20110603 17:25:25< Crendgrim> there we had already 10 translations after a few days
20110603 17:25:42< eoc> just keep in mind that the risk outdated pages grows in exponential manner
20110603 17:25:46< eoc> of*
20110603 17:26:27< Crendgrim> there definitely would be a link to the english version on each page
20110603 17:27:03< eoc> then there is little worth in translating the page if you only consider the english page updated
20110603 17:27:14< eoc> also back-porting changes to translated pages is a mess
20110603 17:27:44< Crendgrim> well, I don't know if I want to translate all the WML pages
20110603 17:27:48< eoc> I've maintained a wiki with four languages only and that already didn't work as it could have without major work from the staff side
20110603 17:28:04< Crendgrim> I rather thought about the general pages in order to involve more non-english speaking people
20110603 17:30:12< Crendgrim> a few pages are already translated IIRC
20110603 17:39:36< Crendgrim> well.. any other opinions on this?
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20110603 17:46:45< hhyloc> imho: it's a mission impossible
20110603 17:47:02< hhyloc> atleast in the near future
20110603 17:47:40< Crendgrim> hhyloc: why?
20110603 17:49:14< hhyloc> well, translation of the game should/must be finished before translators turn their attention to wiki
20110603 17:50:14< hhyloc> even when, they might decided to translate their favorite UMCs instead
20110603 17:50:36< hhyloc> not to mention many wiki pages are heavily out of date
20110603 17:50:37< Crendgrim> well, regarding the eagerness of, for example, Ceres to translate the wiki pages this isn't that true :/
20110603 17:52:56< hhyloc> imo, we should have a large wiki community to make sure wiki pages are updated regularly before even think about translate it
20110603 17:53:12< fendrin> nephx: You are where?
20110603 17:54:25< Crendgrim> well, the problem is that Ceres already does so .. and that there are already many translated pages to french and spanish, so we somehow need to create a structure there ...
20110603 17:54:38< eoc> if your articles in English are not heavily up2date, don't even think about translating them
20110603 17:55:12< eoc> rather remove those and kindly ask translators to do UMC work here than create a half-baken infrastructure almost nobody supports
20110603 17:55:44< Crendgrim> mhm..
20110603 17:56:00< eoc> I might sound harsh
20110603 17:56:02< Crendgrim> that's indeed a valid point
20110603 17:56:06< Crendgrim> no, no, that's right..
20110603 17:56:06< eoc> but that comes from experience :-/
20110603 17:57:30< Crendgrim> well, we have some more or less static pages
20110603 17:58:04< Crendgrim> which are more interesting for new players as well..
20110603 17:58:55< eoc> then you should perhaps flag those and only allow / support translations or e.g. a certain category
20110603 18:00:08< Crendgrim> mhm... there's still the question how to...
20110603 18:00:26< nephx> fendrin, glasgow, scotland
20110603 18:00:30< Crendgrim> and what to do with already existing, probably out-dated translations
20110603 18:00:38< eoc> wesnoth has no existing translation infrastructure besides Ivanovic, no?
20110603 18:01:04< Crendgrim> not for the wiki, no
20110603 18:02:14< eoc> hmm if you really plan to work on a distributed environment to translate static pages (with few updates), I had suggested a way that deals with po or xlf, whatever suits wiki more
20110603 18:02:26< eoc> but setting that up for wiki alone is not too sensible
20110603 18:03:23< Crendgrim> setting that up for a wiki at all ... I don't think it's possible due to the structure
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20110603 18:09:08< CIA-94> fendrin * r49744 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/04_The_Elvish_Treasury.cfg: LoW 04: Add the scout to the Players' recruit lists.
20110603 18:13:03< hhyloc> can we use the same way method like CoC?
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20110603 18:24:42< Crendgrim> hhyloc: yes, we can, but there may be an easier solution. That's why I asked... well, I think I'm going to do it
20110603 18:24:50< Crendgrim> hhyloc, eoc: thanks a lot for your input :)
20110603 18:25:25< eoc> sure thing, I'm open to any question you might encounter
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20110603 18:39:49< wesbot> Crendgrim: The person with the nick monochromatic 8d 15h ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Quit: CALIFORNIA PACKING. Bye to irc for two weeks or so.
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20110603 19:02:13< zookeeper> Crendgrim, there are already some translated pages
20110603 19:02:17 * zookeeper finds an example
20110603 19:02:24< Crendgrim> zookeeper: I know
20110603 19:02:39< Crendgrim> but there isn't any structure except from the CoC pages
20110603 19:04:15< zookeeper> yeah, they don't follow the structure i thought they did.
20110603 19:05:07< Crendgrim> some of them are called "(eo) ..." and some are called ".../fr", but there isn't any general idea behind it yet
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20110603 19:23:31< Crendgrim> wait.. we don't have ParserFunctions on the WesnothWiki? :/
20110603 19:23:58< eoc> but you have dpl
20110603 19:24:05< eoc> that makes little to no sense :-)
20110603 19:24:39< Crendgrim> sigh...
20110603 19:24:50< Crendgrim> that makes it much more complicated.
20110603 19:24:54< Crendgrim> :(
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20110603 20:23:07< anonymissimus> does someone know how to enable more warnings with scons ? passing -Wextra ?
20110603 20:24:04< anonymissimus> timotei: we're far from -Werror in VS; just rank up the warning level :P
20110603 20:24:22< timotei> anonymissimus: set warn level 4?
20110603 20:24:24< timotei> :))
20110603 20:24:29< timotei> I agree with that :)
20110603 20:24:29< anonymissimus> y
20110603 20:25:00< anonymissimus> some warnings are actually useful; e.g. it wanrs about unused function parameters on level 4
20110603 20:25:06< timotei> yes.
20110603 20:25:22< anonymissimus> just need to sort out the not useful ones
20110603 20:25:25< timotei> >P
20110603 20:25:26< timotei> :P
20110603 20:26:43< anonymissimus> and counter-check with gcc to not introduce warnings on the other side; so I'm asking for options for more warnings than just with command "scons"
20110603 20:27:02< timotei> loonycyborg: ^
20110603 20:27:19< timotei> well, I don't think we'll add anothers while fixing them
20110603 20:27:58< anonymissimus> it looks like there can be contradictions :P
20110603 20:30:02< loonycyborg> anonymissimus: It already is passing -W -Wall.
20110603 20:30:17< anonymissimus> yes but I want MORE
20110603 20:30:25< loonycyborg> You can pass strict=true to enable strict compilation.
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20110603 20:30:46< anonymissimus> no, more warnings not errors ;)
20110603 20:31:31< anonymissimus> mordante got warnings about the virtual or explicit keywords needed so there is some option
20110603 20:31:32< loonycyborg> 'scons extra_flags_release=-Wextra'
20110603 20:31:51< loonycyborg> Or extra_flags_debug
20110603 20:32:03< loonycyborg> That setting will be saved.
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20110603 20:33:21< loonycyborg> You can also set CXXFLAGS/LDFLAGS in system environment. They won't be saved.
20110603 20:33:50< loonycyborg> Better look in 'man gcc' for full list of -W options there is.
20110603 20:33:59< loonycyborg> *there are
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20110603 20:46:42< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: -Wextra is already the same as -W it says here http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Warning-Options.html
20110603 20:48:08< loonycyborg> Ah, yes. I forgot that.
20110603 20:53:31< timotei> anonymissimus: I don't see where is the -W alone
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20110603 20:57:03< anonymissimus> it said that it used to be -W is still supported but now -Wextra
20110603 20:57:14< anonymissimus> in the manual or somewhere
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20110603 21:13:25< anonymissimus> scons build=debug --silent extra_flags_debug="-Wextra -ansi -pedantic"
20110603 21:13:48< anonymissimus> that seems ok ;)
20110603 21:15:45< loonycyborg> Isn't -ansi the same as -std=c++98?
20110603 21:18:04< anonymissimus> judging from the messages looks like it
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20110603 21:18:31< anonymissimus> src/statistics.hpp:55: warning: ISO C++ 1998 does not support ‘long long’
20110603 21:41:47< anonymissimus> hm it seems only -pedantic gives more warnings than the default setting
20110603 21:42:34< timotei> well
20110603 21:42:40< timotei> pedantic is a bit ... ”not ok” :P
20110603 21:42:51< timotei> so let's not go into strict C++ iso weirdness xd
20110603 21:43:33< loonycyborg> Try -Weffc++ :P
20110603 21:43:51< loonycyborg> People on #boost seem to consider it silly.
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20110603 22:02:10< anonymissimus> timotei: can you configure eclipse somehow to write only LF endings ?
20110603 22:02:29< timotei> anonymissimus: it is configured that way>)
20110603 22:02:34< anonymissimus> (under windows)
20110603 22:02:40< timotei> yes
20110603 22:03:46< anonymissimus> how ? (also for .project files wtc)
20110603 22:03:59< anonymissimus> not only the code files
20110603 22:04:01< timotei> well, some of them won't have LF
20110603 22:04:05< timotei> the .xmls and so
20110603 22:04:11< timotei> and I haven't found a way to set that :(
20110603 22:05:21< anonymissimus> it seems that whenever I write some CRLF under windows the windows git doesnt recognize the eol change but Linux does
20110603 22:05:39< anonymissimus> so they are going out of sync
20110603 22:05:54< timotei> :)
20110603 22:05:57< timotei> in eclipse?
20110603 22:06:03< anonymissimus> in general
20110603 22:06:11< timotei> well... IDK
20110603 22:06:20< anonymissimus> eclipse is just one editor susceptible of writing CRLF
20110603 22:06:22< timotei> I use notepad++ configured for LF
20110603 22:06:31< timotei> and eclipse java's editor too
20110603 22:06:35< timotei> for the rest I don't care
20110603 22:06:36< timotei> xD
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20110603 22:38:40< anonymissimus> btw  the standalone MSVC projectfile is better: 1. the cmake version doesnt include headers which takes away lots of MSVC usefullness (intellisense); 2. it gets broken by linux-only devs; 3. I find it much harder to solve cmake problems than errors in VS
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20110603 22:47:56< timotei> anonymissimus: true :) That's why I kept using that instead cmake>P
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20110603 23:15:14< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49745 /trunk/src/global.hpp: rename an include gard
20110603 23:15:28< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49746 /trunk/projectfiles/VC9/ (4 files): 
20110603 23:15:28< CIA-94> cranked up the warnlevel to the maximum and disabled 3 warnings
20110603 23:15:28< CIA-94> (needs confirmation by mordante)
20110603 23:15:50< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49747 /trunk/src/server/input_stream.cpp: fixed an MSVC warning about an unreferenced formal parameter
20110603 23:16:20< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49748 /trunk/src/server/server.cpp: fixed an MSVC warning about an unreferenced local function
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