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20110607 00:04:12< CIA-94> esr * r49782 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/ (4 files): Change the names of two NPCs in the LoW Ka'lian to match NPCs in TRoW.
20110607 00:04:34< shadowmaster> hmmmmm kay?
20110607 00:05:59< shadowmaster> esr: I always thought the differences were intentional.
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20110607 00:12:23< fendrin> shadowmaster: Santi was well aware of tRoW (he named the Ka'lian after it) so the differences were surely intentional.
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20110607 00:22:19< CIA-94> ivanovic * r49783 /trunk/po/wesnoth-sotbe/pt_BR.po: updated Portuguese (Brazil) translation
20110607 00:23:32< esr> shadowmaster: Accidental.  Two different authors, but the campaigns only takr place 4 years apart so there sgould be better overlap.
20110607 00:25:37< fendrin> esr: It is 11 years. But still some of the Council members should still be active.
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20110607 00:34:48< fendrin> esr: The timeline is messed up. LoW begins at 12YW. Scenario 14 is mentioned 20YW. There is no time for 8 years in the campaign.
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20110607 00:37:29< esr> fendrin: Sorry, I don't undesrstand what you're trying to say.
20110607 00:37:56< fendrin> esr: The timeline spreads the actions happening in LoW over several years.
20110607 00:38:06< fendrin> LoW starts in 12 
20110607 00:38:17< fendrin> scenario 14 is in 20
20110607 00:38:35< fendrin> 16 plays in 23
20110607 00:38:49< fendrin> 18 in 24
20110607 00:39:00< esr> fendrin: Remember that Kalenz goes into semi-retirement for awhile during the campaign.
20110607 00:39:18< fendrin> Yes, between 19 and 21
20110607 00:40:10< esr> Looking...
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20110607 00:43:39< fendrin> esr: LoW's story line does not make a pause between scenario 1-20 (20 is story only).
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20110607 00:45:14< fendrin> esr: It is summer when the campaign starts, autumn at 14-16 and winter in 17 - 1-9
20110607 00:45:23< fendrin> 17-19
20110607 00:45:44< fendrin> Thus every action takes place within the same year.
20110607 00:46:46< esr> Looks like we're OK if we just move the LoW start to the year 20.
20110607 00:48:06< anonymissimus> fendrin: here's something which you ought to fix I guess: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=34053&p=491797&sid=71be1e587b9e7c2729692024e49b51ae#p491797 :P
20110607 00:49:30< fendrin> anonymissimus: Thank you.
20110607 00:49:56< anonymissimus> np xD
20110607 00:52:32< fendrin> esr: Not right. Year 23 needs also to get merged in 20.
20110607 00:53:00< fendrin> esr: And 24 needs to be 21.
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20110607 00:59:16< esr> fendrin: Done.
20110607 01:02:33< fendrin> esr: nice. Looks good. We have also gained more time to tRoW so it's okay to have half the Ka'lian members changed.
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20110607 01:08:18< fendrin> esr: The timeline is missing an entry that mentions the destroying of saurgrath and the end of the saurian empire.
20110607 01:09:22< esr> That too has to be in year 20, I guess.
20110607 01:09:56< fendrin> esr: better in 21
20110607 01:10:18< esr> OK.
20110607 01:10:19< fendrin> It is still winter but some time has past since 17
20110607 01:10:32< fendrin> So it is February in 21.
20110607 01:10:54< fendrin> scenario17 and year21
20110607 01:13:23< fendrin> esr: I am going to change "Weslath" into "Tath".
20110607 01:13:39< esr> OK.
20110607 01:13:45< esr> Why?
20110607 01:14:27< fendrin> The city has been renamed some time ago. I don't remember exactly why.
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20110607 09:43:03< Ivanovic> moin
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20110607 09:55:01< CIA-94> ivanovic * r49784 /trunk/po/ (13 files in 13 dirs): updated Irish translation
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20110607 11:13:25< nephro> Morning. Anyone know where wesnoth.* table is filled(lua functions)?
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20110607 11:17:39< nephro> Found it
20110607 11:29:17< CIA-94> nephro * r49785 /trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): More aspects exposed to Lua(http://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaAI)
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20110607 11:36:27< Crab_> nephro: ok, I've seen the commit, will take a look at that place which required the workaround in the evening.
20110607 11:37:17< nephro> :) I'll move on, really want to finish this by the end of the day
20110607 11:37:22< nephro> Not much left too
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20110607 11:44:49< nephro> Crab_, with aspects like avoid, do we give Lua the set of locations to avoid, or the rules to calculate these locations?
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20110607 11:45:21< Crab_> with get_avoid - we give a set of locations.
20110607 11:45:39< Crab_> the value of aspect itself is a filter, right
20110607 11:45:57< Crab_> but, technically, the proper solution is to return a proxy to a fitler
20110607 11:45:59< Crab_> *filter
20110607 11:46:31< Crab_> because there are two cases 1) we want to check 1 particular location 2) we want to get a set of all locations, and we don't know exactly which one the user needs
20110607 11:46:48< Crab_> however, it makes sense to just give a set of locations, it'll be faster in most cases.
20110607 11:48:29< shadowmaster> Whoah, I never noticed stop/play items in the main menu when watching a game as observer before.
20110607 11:48:40< shadowmaster> (1.8) Does this make me a noob? :p
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20110607 12:38:56< CIA-94> nephro * r49786 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): More(village related) aspects exposed to lua(http://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaAI)
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20110607 14:02:10< CIA-94> nephro * r49787 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added wesnoth.get_time_of_day() Lua function
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20110607 15:02:12< timotei> Crendring: hm, nice captch: http://www.josscrowcroft.com/demos/motioncaptcha/
20110607 15:05:15< zookeeper> not so nice if i had to pass that using a laptop touchpad
20110607 15:05:25< zookeeper> (i hate them)
20110607 15:05:28< timotei> xD
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20110607 15:20:23< Crendgrim> timotei: euh... you misspelled my name. :O
20110607 15:20:30< Crendgrim> looks like a nice idea..
20110607 15:20:44< Crendgrim> I don't think though it's really safe
20110607 15:21:07< Crendgrim> sometimes you can draw anything and solve it
20110607 15:21:19< nephro> I think it's easier to write a bot for this captcha than it is for the regular coded word one
20110607 15:21:32< Crendgrim> so think I
20110607 15:22:37< timotei> :P
20110607 15:24:43< Crendgrim> okay, it's very new, so it may improve there...
20110607 15:24:54< Crendgrim> definitely worth watching, at least
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20110607 15:40:06< anonymissimus> nephro: you should have said if you need such a function (get_tod)
20110607 15:40:26< anonymissimus> I actually had it half-done months ago
20110607 15:40:58< nephro> anonymissimus, um... 
20110607 15:41:00< anonymissimus> but wanted it to return much more info that just the id of the current main tod
20110607 15:41:27< anonymissimus> (a table, and optionally taking time areas into account)
20110607 15:42:23< nephro> anonymissimus, I had no idea that someone is working on that, so I just added this little function myself :) 
20110607 15:43:04< anonymissimus> once that something is added to the wml engine or the lua interface and gets released we'll have a hard time changing it since UMC will depend on it
20110607 15:43:31< nephro> anonymissimus, we can rename it to get_tod_name(), so you can continue your work, while someone might use the existing one
20110607 15:43:53< anonymissimus> I'll tarnsform the existing one
20110607 15:43:55< nephro> anonymissimus, well, then rename or removal is the choice we have to make
20110607 15:46:17< nephro> anonymissimus, are you working on the lua support of wesnoth?
20110607 15:47:03< anonymissimus> well, in practice I'm the one maintaining it I guess
20110607 15:47:44< anonymissimus> (but there isn't much due to silene's work ;) )
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20110607 17:27:00< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49788 /trunk/ (data/ai/scenarios/scenario-lua-ai.cfg src/scripting/lua.cpp): 
20110607 17:27:00< CIA-94> transformed wesnoth.get_time_of_day into a more useful implementation
20110607 17:27:00< CIA-94> (will extend with more parameters and return values)
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20110607 17:35:35< timotei> wow, so nice: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SgCbuAVsmS8/TBvNLTZbN5I/AAAAAAAACYM/nGEfgZXQUx0/s1600/IE+6+troll+%28internet+explorer,+browser,+trollface%29.png
20110607 17:46:54< anonymissimus> zookeeper: do you know of [time] (in a schedule) to be able to have more than one sound associated ?
20110607 17:50:29< anonymissimus> that is. one would probably pass a comma-separated list
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20110607 17:54:11< anonymissimus> zookeeper: it seems that [time]sound= can be passed a comma separated list, and of of these sounds is chosen randomly then, but not the same one twice after another :P
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20110607 18:06:29< zookeeper> anonymissimus, yeah, the "not the same one twice in a row" thing is applied to all comma-separated sound lists, i think
20110607 18:07:00 * zookeeper is very glad of that feature
20110607 18:07:31< anonymissimus> zookeeper: but it's not dosumented that [time]sounds= can be comma-separated; and I saw that the variable is called sounds in the time_of_day struct
20110607 18:07:43< anonymissimus> (thus the question)
20110607 18:08:31< zookeeper> looks like no one just ever added that to the wiki
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20110607 20:01:43< mordante> servus
20110607 20:11:26< mordante> Sytyi, how are you?
20110607 20:12:39< Sytyi> mordante: hi! check please http://wiki.wesnoth.org/WML_Annotation_Format
20110607 20:15:19< mordante> Sytyi, can a {tag} be a parent as well?
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20110607 20:16:07< Sytyi> mordante: yes. It is a parent automatically to tags mentioned between @begin and @ end
20110607 20:17:10< mordante> Sytyi, and parent is a top level item?
20110607 20:17:54< Sytyi> mordante: It is a top level annotation, if you about this
20110607 20:19:54< mordante> sorry can you say that again, don't exactly understand what you mean
20110607 20:21:23< Sytyi> mordante: I mean that you need to mention {parent} at least once, before opening any tag. Then tag will be add to that parent family 
20110607 20:21:53< mordante> ok, thought you meant that, but wanted to make sure
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20110607 20:23:37< Sytyi> mordante: want to notice that only top level tags will be added. Any tag opened in another tag will be added to that (another tag) family
20110607 20:23:50< mordante> ok
20110607 20:24:31< mordante> btw parents will in practice be in different files
20110607 20:24:46< mordante> for example the draw in not a top level tag but a child
20110607 20:25:00< mordante> but let's not worry too much about that now
20110607 20:25:46< mordante> I think this looks like a nice start
20110607 20:25:57< Sytyi> mordante: yes, parent annotation was created with that idea. And "isparent" property is used to add tag to possible parents list
20110607 20:27:11< mordante> we also need to think about defining types, for example resize_mode is a type
20110607 20:27:22< mordante> ok
20110607 20:29:23< Sytyi> mordante: I want to use Wiki -mentioned types, but offcourse need some way to define them. For now there is one idea - make it regex. and probably tomorrow will be another
20110607 20:30:38< mordante> :-) 
20110607 20:30:51< mordante> that's why I like to think a bit about it before coding it
20110607 20:37:51< Sytyi> mordante: can you advice me some things to improve in that wiki page&
20110607 20:39:48< mordante> no I think what you have thusfar looks good
20110607 20:40:12< mordante> not entirely sure about the parenting yet, but don't have an alternative either
20110607 20:40:28< mordante> I just think we need to see how it works in practice
20110607 20:41:22< mordante> I think we should look how to transform what you have now into a schema and think about how to define types
20110607 20:41:53< mordante> and regarding the types both in the schema and in the wiki comment
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20110607 20:43:38< Sytyi> mordante: Now i wonder how to save schema info. I think i should create WML tags for it.
20110607 20:44:48< Sytyi> mordante: Tomorrow I'll continue work on SG tool. I want to take proof-on concept as base and improve it.
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20110607 20:45:34< mordante> ok good
20110607 20:46:24< Sytyi> mordante: Sorry, but now I'm about to leave - a little headache.
20110607 20:46:31< mordante> ok
20110607 20:46:58< mordante> I might not be around the next few days
20110607 20:47:55< Sytyi> mordante: OK.
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20110607 20:57:14< Sytyi> mordante: I also think that probably parent tag names will be like /schema/state_definition/draw
20110607 20:58:29< mordante> ok, I'll also ponder about it a bit more
20110607 21:02:45< Sytyi> mordante: Good night
20110607 21:02:53< mordante> night Sytyi 
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20110607 21:26:32< zaroth> mordante: are you maintaining the automated test suite tool?
20110607 21:27:23< mordante> zaroth, which one exactly I run several test things
20110607 21:27:44< zaroth> well, the one that appears when ENABLE_TESTS in cmake is enabled
20110607 21:28:30< mordante> I'm not really the maintainer, nobody is, but I think I do most work on it
20110607 21:29:46< anonymissimus> the one who does most work on seomthing is its maintainer :P
20110607 21:30:16< zaroth> do you have any idea how hard would it be to add proper signal handling to this?
20110607 21:30:17< mordante> not per se
20110607 21:30:26< zaroth> ctrl-c kills only the current test
20110607 21:30:32< zaroth> instead of stopping the whole thing
20110607 21:30:43< zaroth> (or is it desired behaviour?)
20110607 21:32:16< mordante> we use the boost unit test framework, so either it should be an option there or might be hard to do
20110607 21:36:49< mordante> I'm off now night
20110607 21:37:11< zaroth> well, anyway, this thing is largely useful, especially after I learned to do --run-test=footest :-)
20110607 21:37:31< mordante> yeah that makes testing a lot faster
20110607 21:39:18< zaroth> cd ..
20110607 21:39:36< zaroth> damn focus stealers ;-)
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20110607 22:15:33< nephro> /home/nephro/source/wesnoth/src/../utils/java/org.wesnoth.wml/src-gen/org/wesnoth/parser/antlr/internal/InternalWML.g:234:5: error: stray ‘@’ in program
20110607 22:16:15< nephro> I started getting hundreds of these when compiling... What could cause such behavior? I was nowhere near these files
20110607 22:18:09< timotei> nephro: why are you compiling the java files?:P
20110607 22:18:38< nephro> I am not
20110607 22:19:06< nephro> I just edited a header file, adding one function to it, and this started showing up
20110607 22:19:55< timotei> where are you getting those from?
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20110607 22:20:08< nephro> #include <../utils/java/org.wesnoth.wml/src-gen/org/wesnoth/parser/antlr/internal/InternalWML.g>
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20110607 22:20:12< nephro> from this probably
20110607 22:20:15< timotei> what???
20110607 22:20:16< nephro> :D
20110607 22:20:20< timotei> where is it said that?
20110607 22:20:23< nephro> I have no idea
20110607 22:20:29< nephro> that is in lua_object.hpp
20110607 22:20:30< nephro> :DDD
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20110607 22:22:01< nephro> ah, pure comedy, love programming in the evenings
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20110607 22:33:19< timotei> nephro: lua object?
20110607 22:33:20< timotei> wow
20110607 22:33:29< timotei> I guess you added that :P
20110607 22:33:38< timotei> or you use ... some addon that inserts things :P
20110607 22:33:55< nephro> dunno, clean kdevelop
20110607 22:34:20< nephro> And how in the world could I decide to add such a line to my code? Impossible :)
20110607 22:35:48< timotei> IDK :P
20110607 22:35:56< timotei> McGurk effect? =))
20110607 22:36:04< nephro> what's that? :)
20110607 22:36:15< timotei> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-lN8vWm3m0
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