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20110608 01:27:18< shadowmaster> My hard disk is doing clicking noises and I don't see anything in the kernel (Linux) logs about it. Ideas?
20110608 01:27:44< shadowmaster> Or at least I think it is the hard disk, since a laptop doesn't have many other moving parts...
20110608 01:28:01< shadowmaster> And it just happened to coincide with disk access right now.
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20110608 01:35:12< loonycyborg> Maybe try SMART
20110608 01:35:38< shadowmaster> ran an extended self-test the other day, nothing
20110608 01:36:05< shadowmaster> the error count is zero, there's nothing in the logs, and I can't understand all this vendor-specific data
20110608 01:36:06< loonycyborg> They all seem to be clicky.
20110608 01:36:25< loonycyborg> Only newer models seem to be quieter.
20110608 01:36:42< loonycyborg> Maybe your hearing suddenly improved?
20110608 01:36:48< shadowmaster> well, you know I mean abnormal clicking. This happens only a few times randomly, every few days :|
20110608 01:37:16< shadowmaster> I know what this hard disk drive sounds like during backups (and my recent mass-restore) and this is not normal
20110608 01:37:47< shadowmaster> sadly wherever I ask they suggest replacing the hard disk drive
20110608 01:38:32< shadowmaster> I know, it's not the most unreasonable suggestion, is it
20110608 01:38:49< loonycyborg> That is everything you can do short of disassembling it :P
20110608 01:41:19< shadowmaster> now what am I supposed to tell tech support
20110608 01:41:41< shadowmaster> "oh hi, my hard disk drive makes clicking noises only *sometimes* for no specific reason and I don't know how to reproduce this problem but I want my hard disk tested and replaced, mmmkay?"
20110608 01:42:25< shadowmaster> it also happens to be from the same manufacturer as bluecore's HDD, which has been slammed, slapped and dropped a few times, whereas this has not.
20110608 01:56:03< CIA-94> shadowmaster * r49789 /branches/1.8/ (changelog src/tooltips.cpp): 
20110608 01:56:03< CIA-94> Fix unhandled utils::invalid_utf8_exception when displaying tooltips
20110608 01:56:03< CIA-94> Handle the exception and don't display the tooltip, logging an error in
20110608 01:56:03< CIA-94> the display domain instead.
20110608 02:00:18< shadowmaster> this is not required in trunk it seems
20110608 02:00:24< shadowmaster> 20110607 19:59:50 error general: Invalid UTF-8 string: "Doutrinados � um mapa 1vs1"
20110608 02:00:28< shadowmaster> 20110607 19:59:50 error gui/layout: ttext::set_text text 'Doutrinados � um mapa 1vs1' contains invalid utf-8, trimmed the invalid parts.
20110608 02:03:14< shadowmaster> shikadibot: log 42825
20110608 02:03:15< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Revision 42825 (ai0867) on Mon May 24 14:08:55 2010:
20110608 02:03:15< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Trim invalid utf-8 before passing it to pango. This crashed pango on OS X
20110608 02:03:19< shikadibot> shadowmaster: Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=42825
20110608 02:03:24< shadowmaster> AI0867: it was not possible to backport this to 1.8 ?
20110608 02:04:10< shadowmaster> "Automatic cherry-pick failed." heheh. bah.
20110608 02:05:42< CIA-94> espreon * r49790 /trunk/po/wesnoth-manual/en_GB.po: Updated the British English translation.
20110608 02:09:22< CIA-94> espreon * r49791 /trunk/po/wesnoth-manual/ (ang.po ang@latin.po): Updated the Old English translation.
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20110608 12:09:31< CIA-94> nephro * r49792 /trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Exposed recruitment pattern aspect to Lua
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20110608 12:22:47< sytyi> msg NickServ identify 579999
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20110608 12:23:15< sytyi> fail :(
20110608 12:25:34< nephro>  /MSG NickServ SET PASSWORD mynewpassword
20110608 12:28:59< sytyi> nephro: thanks :)
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20110608 13:15:11< nephro> ANyone here ever used leader_goal aspect? As is defined it for the AI?
20110608 13:17:12< nephro> As in*
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20110608 14:20:21< Ivanovic> hi
20110608 14:23:28< Crab_> hello, Ivanovic
20110608 14:28:37< sytyi> Ivanovic: hello
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20110608 14:42:26< Nephro> Hello, Crab_! Have you seen my last commit and the note I left you there?
20110608 14:45:34< Crab_> hello
20110608 14:46:06< Crab_> seen the commits, haven't seen the note
20110608 14:46:36< Nephro> The note is in core.cpp in the handle method, almost at the bottom of the file
20110608 14:46:44< Nephro> I am at another pc now, so can't paste it
20110608 14:48:06< Crab_> ok, I see
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20110608 14:55:22< Crab_> Nephro: I'm thinking about replacing   else if (luaW_pcall(L, 1, 5, true))   part       with something like         l_obj->call_and_store(L)
20110608 14:55:43< Crab_> since l_obj is of type T, it can have a function which will tell us the number of returns
20110608 14:56:03< Crab_> there's also a special multi-return mode, which is slow, but can be used if you really want to return unbounded number of things
20110608 14:56:13< Crab_> note that for the recruitment list, you can return 1 table with all the stuff in it.
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20110608 14:58:23< Nephro> Crab_, oh, I see, we push a table on the stack and then disassemble it, clever
20110608 14:59:30< Nephro> <Crab_> since l_obj is of type T, it can have a function which will tell us the number of returns -- what if we don't know? like in the case with recruitment pattern, where we don't know how many strings we'll get
20110608 15:00:09< Crab_> 1) note that for the recruitment list, you can return 1 table with all the stuff in it.
20110608 15:00:19< Crab_> 2) there's also a special multi-return mode LUA_MULTRET, which is slow, but can be used if you really want to return unbounded number of things
20110608 15:01:34< Nephro> yes, I got that... If we return tables then there is no need to move pcall out of the hanle method
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20110608 15:51:20< samyazza> but I don't really know how to get anything back
20110608 15:51:23< samyazza> sorry :D
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20110608 20:42:46< mordante> servus
20110608 20:59:54< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49793 /trunk/src/ (tod_manager.cpp tod_manager.hpp): concentrated some time of day getting variants for a lua tod getter
20110608 20:59:57< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49794 /trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp: improved wesnoth.get_time_of_day to accept more parameters and return more information
20110608 21:00:07< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49795 /trunk/src/ (6 files): renamed a tod getter function
20110608 21:00:14< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49796 /trunk/src/ (5 files): make one of the tod getters private and rename it
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20110608 21:46:55< zaroth> hello boucman
20110608 21:47:36< boucman> hey zaroth
20110608 21:47:43< boucman> so, how is it going ?
20110608 21:47:57< zaroth> there appears to be one drawback to using boost::po compared to current system, and it's --help
20110608 21:48:09< zaroth> compare: https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/ticket/4781
20110608 21:48:29< mordante> I'm off night
20110608 21:48:47< zaroth> however, I talked with the author today and he said that wontfix in that situation doesn't mean it's gonna never make it to boost, it means he hasn't time to work on it
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20110608 21:50:02< boucman> hmm, I agree it's a bit annoying but I don't think it's a big enough drawback not to do it...
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20110608 21:50:30< zaroth> I agree, and if you read my patch, you can see that I altered all the descriptions accordingly
20110608 21:50:40< zaroth> just wanted to let you know
20110608 21:50:44< Crab_> yes, he says he'll accept a patch, in the ticket page..
20110608 21:51:07< zaroth> Crab_: he added that comment after my query on irc 20 minutes ago ;-)
20110608 21:51:13< Crab_> :))
20110608 21:51:28< Crab_> well, I think that it's better for us at this point to return to MP stuff :)
20110608 21:51:43< Crab_> once the options are shiny enough to work :)
20110608 21:52:01< zaroth> well, of course
20110608 21:52:16< zaroth> I got a bit lost today morning, but found relevant solution on stack overflow
20110608 21:52:40< zaroth> and I think I have a ready solution for every type of option we use now, so it's just a matter of converting
20110608 21:52:55< Crab_> great
20110608 21:53:47< boucman> cool, do you have an ETA for that ?
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20110608 21:55:17< zaroth> I'd say, optimistically, tomorrow morning
20110608 21:55:34< zaroth> pesimistically I can stumble on yet another tricky type of option and I don't know then ;-)
20110608 21:58:25< boucman> ok, sounds good
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20110608 22:00:17< anonymissimus> boucman: I have no idea how to fix that local tod bug xD
20110608 22:00:33< boucman> nor do I, but it was assigne to me :P
20110608 22:00:58< Nephro> anonymissimus, Crab_: is there any API docs on the wesnoth.* functions?
20110608 22:01:03< anonymissimus> alink, come back and fix the bugs you introduced
20110608 22:01:12< Crab_> anonymissimus: which bug ?
20110608 22:01:18< anonymissimus> Nephro: yep
20110608 22:01:24< Crab_> Nephro: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaWML
20110608 22:01:57< zookeeper> anonymissimus, are you going to split powershot's pointless necro?
20110608 22:02:08< anonymissimus> Nephro: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaWML
20110608 22:02:13< Nephro> Crab_, anonymissimus and on luaW_* functions?
20110608 22:02:32< anonymissimus> Nephro: for luW: dont think so
20110608 22:02:33< Crab_> Nephro: on luaW, I doubt it.
20110608 22:02:52< anonymissimus> only comments silene has written (there are some of them though)
20110608 22:03:28< anonymissimus> once you understand his codings its absolutely clear what it does ;)
20110608 22:03:41< Nephro> it's just that: I need to push a config on the stack(e.g. for the leader_goal aspect), i saw functions like luaW_pushconfig or smth
20110608 22:03:58< Nephro> there were also luaW_pushvconfig
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20110608 22:04:07< Nephro> I just wanted to know all that better
20110608 22:04:15< Crab_> well, config and vconfig are two different types of objects
20110608 22:04:25< anonymissimus> hm yes you should be sure whether what you have is a config or a vconfig
20110608 22:04:33< Crab_> vconfig is backed by a config, and is a variable-expanding proxy for that config.
20110608 22:04:37< anonymissimus> and then use that luaW function
20110608 22:05:43< anonymissimus> Crab_: this bug: http://gna.org/bugs/index.php?18017
20110608 22:07:15< Nephro> Also, again the example with leader_goal... all I know about it is that it's a config, nothing about it's structure or usage. Are there any tools to help analyse configs, for cases when their structure is not well documented?
20110608 22:07:36< Nephro> I know I can just push it with a predefined function, but what if I didn't have on
20110608 22:07:40< Nephro> one*
20110608 22:09:57< Crab_> why should you care about its structure ?
20110608 22:10:06< Crab_> look at that predefined function
20110608 22:10:17< Crab_> look at the WML tutorials
20110608 22:10:22< Crab_> look at the lua wml representation
20110608 22:10:24< anonymissimus> there is a .debug member function; that can probably be used to output it like wml into stderr
20110608 22:10:41< Crab_> you'll see that you can easily implement that 'predefined function' yourself.
20110608 22:11:00< Crab_> there's no reason to, but it can be done, given that the rules on the lua representation are written down.
20110608 22:11:23< Crab_> you can dump it to stdout, or dump it to wml variable, then use :inspect
20110608 22:12:43< anonymissimus> Crab_: as for vconfig vs config; I guess you should push a vconfig in case that when the lua scripter accesses the returned object, variable substitution shall be made
20110608 22:12:57< anonymissimus> Nephro I mean, sry
20110608 22:13:17< Crab_> anonymissimus: depends what you have on start. if you already have a variable-expanded config, vconfig won't do anything :)
20110608 22:13:23< anonymissimus> if not, use config
20110608 22:13:47< anonymissimus> Crab_: right, fendrin got caught in that :P
20110608 22:14:16< Crab_> for example, for AI, I work with configs 99% of the time
20110608 22:14:30< Crab_> since I get the AI config already v-expanded
20110608 22:14:41< Crab_> (when teams are constructed)
20110608 22:15:05< Crab_> and in most cases it makes sense to convert to c++ anyway for speed.
20110608 22:16:36< anonymissimus> boucman: well, can I unassign it then ? I dont like bugs assigned to me and neither fixed nor invalid nor wont fix
20110608 22:16:58< boucman> sure, you don't need to ask
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20110608 22:29:25< anonymissimus> zookeeper: actually I would've closed it with my post (if I had the rights to)
20110608 22:31:13< zookeeper> oh, right, i thought you would have
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20110608 22:31:45< zookeeper> well, i just locked it.
20110608 22:31:56< zookeeper> if i had found his post first, i'd have just deleted it :p
20110608 22:32:36< anonymissimus> great
20110608 22:32:54< anonymissimus> and especially great that you didnt make a post that just says "locked"
20110608 22:34:11< Gambit> Boy he is getting rather obnoxious with asking every thread to be locked.
20110608 22:35:19< Gambit> I'll talk to him about it next time it happens.
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20110608 22:43:13< anonymissimus> Gambit: get him to make one thread for all his wml questions (or search among the at least several hundreds of such threads in the archive...)
20110608 22:43:46< Gambit> Is the one thread per user system preferred?
20110608 22:44:02< Gambit> zookeeper, anonymissimus, other people who regularly help out in WML workshop ^^^
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20110608 22:44:19< Gambit> Because we could make that a general policy for that forum.
20110608 22:45:18< anonymissimus> hm well in the rare cases where I ask something there I don't want to use my "single" thread I guess
20110608 22:45:22< zookeeper> Gambit, yes
20110608 22:46:46< zookeeper> well, yes, it's ok to make dedicated threads to discuss something that's not only specific to your own add-on or whatever, but all the "help my code not work" posts of a newbie should go into a single thread
20110608 22:47:31< anonymissimus> but how do we distinguish this
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20110608 22:48:45< Gambit> "If you're new here and find yourself making a lot of threads, please consider just making one thread with your name on it. This helps keep things organized, and when things are organized you get helped faster."
20110608 22:49:52< zaroth> whoever enabled strict warnings on wesnoth compilation, thank you
20110608 22:50:10< zaroth> it just saved me from debugging a brainfart problem (a==b==1)
20110608 22:50:28< zaroth> (yes, I did type that instead of (a == 1 && b ==1 ) )
20110608 22:51:26< anonymissimus> zaroth: how is that enabled ? when I do scons I get warnings happily without an error, so it's not enabled by default...
20110608 22:52:23< anonymissimus> actually, I dont need strict compilation to see warnings as errors :P
20110608 22:53:15< anonymissimus> Gambit: sounds good; however none will read it, you need to smash this sentence at them
20110608 22:54:26< zaroth> anonymissimus: well, I use cmake, I don't know if they have different settings, but I do have this message as compiling: "cc1plus: warnings being treated as errors"
20110608 22:54:38< Gambit> anonymissimus: I hope to have that fixed by fall.
20110608 22:54:47< zaroth> (it only appears when some warnings actually break my compilation)
20110608 22:54:53< Gambit> The issue of too many stickies and nobody bothers to read them because there's 500,000,000
20110608 22:55:29< anonymissimus> zaroth: how do you envoke compiling ?the shell comman or what do you do
20110608 22:55:40< zaroth> anonymissimus: make ;-)
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20110608 22:56:41< zaroth> that is, I first set up environment by making a dir build/, go into it, cmake -i .. and make goes after that, of course
20110608 22:57:06< zaroth> but when I repeatedly build after changes not involving moving files around, I just do make
20110608 23:00:11< anonymissimus> if you change a little in say unit.hpp, does it seem to compile through the whole project ? I was hoping it's be better on Linux, but compilation speed is even worse sometimes than in MSVC
20110608 23:01:19< zaroth> anonymissimus: I don't think dependencies are determined by the build system you use
20110608 23:01:34< zaroth> it's rather excessive #including that creates it
20110608 23:01:59< anonymissimus> zaroth: right
20110608 23:02:00< zaroth> so yes, changing .hpp files will be painful
20110608 23:03:17< zaroth> however, on linux there is this handy tool, ccache, which helps you with speeding up compilation in certain cases by caching the results
20110608 23:05:07< zaroth> I enabled it for wesnoth by setting my CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER variable to /usr/lib/ccache/bin/c++ , and sometimes it's really visible how the re-compilation speeds up
20110608 23:05:15< zaroth> maybe I should add this info to wiki ;-)
20110608 23:05:39< anonymissimus> yes please
20110608 23:14:32< Crab_> also, using gold (part of gnu binutils) instead of ld seems to help compile time, esp. for non-debug build.
20110608 23:18:16< zaroth> Crab_: is it the new linker from google?
20110608 23:18:59< Crab_> zaroth: the wiki article says 'Gold was developed by Ian Lance Taylor and a small team at Google'
20110608 23:19:34< zaroth> I didn't know it made it into gnu binutils :-)
20110608 23:20:02< zaroth> my binutils don't have it :(
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20110608 23:28:03< zaroth> do we have a wiki page about current unit testing framework?
20110608 23:28:27< zaroth> (the one in src/tests/)
20110608 23:29:06< zaroth> I'm documenting most useful options for CMake, currently ENABLE_TESTS, and I'd like to link to relevant article if such exists
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20110608 23:32:01< anonymissimus> Crab_: do you (or anyone) know of something like lua_pairs  ? basically the C++ variant of lua's pairs()
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20110608 23:32:39< anonymissimus> (I could use lua_next I guess)
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20110608 23:33:25< zaroth> anonymissimus: boost::tuple or std::pair?
20110608 23:33:41< zaroth> I'm not sure if I correctly got what you meant, though ;-)
20110608 23:35:12< Crab_> anonymissimus: no
20110608 23:35:39< anonymissimus> zaroth: no :)
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20110608 23:46:01< zaroth> anonymissimus: by request, I created http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CMake and http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Ccache
20110608 23:46:52< zaroth> somebody knowledgeable of how to enable ccache in scons could update http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SCons , especially since I mentioned it in the ccache article ;-)
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