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20110612 00:36:18< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: http://www.mediafire.com/?7sc58qmmmeufhxo
20110612 00:36:55< anonymissimus> (they could get it from there, however, it should be on a "official" wesnoth server)
20110612 00:39:11< loonycyborg> You know I almost forgot that I can upload it to sourceforge instead.
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20110612 00:40:26< anonymissimus> (or I could have put it into the wesnoth UMC repo yes...)
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20110612 00:46:16< anonymissimus> anyway, I put that link into teh guide now
20110612 00:52:37< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49845 /trunk/projectfiles/CodeBlocks/ (liblua.cbp wesnoth.cbp wesnoth.workspace wesnothd.cbp): 
20110612 00:52:37< CIA-94> updated CodeBlocks project file
20110612 00:52:37< CIA-94> (I should upload my updated headers/lib package too...)
20110612 00:52:45< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49846 /trunk/projectfiles/CodeBlocks/README.txt: added a README about how to compile on windows using CodeBlocks
20110612 00:54:23< loonycyborg> anonymissimus: It's on sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/files/SDK/WesnothCodeBlocksWinSDK.zip/download
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20110612 03:18:35< Bob_The_Mighty> anyone fancy helping me with a wml problem?
20110612 03:20:26< Bob_The_Mighty> I'm getting the "you have been defeated" message on leader die events, even when there are teamed leaders still alive
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20110612 03:41:10< Gambit> Bob_The_Mighty: That's expected behavior.
20110612 03:41:19< Gambit> That message is for the individual players personally.
20110612 03:41:22< Bob_The_Mighty> not in multiplayer
20110612 03:41:35< Gambit> Is it ending the scenario?
20110612 03:41:43< Bob_The_Mighty> it is for the player who dies
20110612 03:41:53< Bob_The_Mighty> not for the others
20110612 03:42:19< Gambit> ending as in they can no longer interact?
20110612 03:42:24< Gambit> Even with units of theirs left alive?
20110612 03:42:47< Bob_The_Mighty> yes, the map is revealed, they cannot end turn only press 'end scenerio' - even when they have units still on the map
20110612 03:43:08< Gambit> Well that sounds like a bug…
20110612 03:43:41< Gambit> You had asked a similar question before here: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=32088&p=464395&hilit=+you+have+been+defeated+#p464395 
20110612 03:44:06< Bob_The_Mighty> it is the same thing, yes
20110612 03:44:39< Bob_The_Mighty> any ideas?
20110612 03:45:14< Gambit> Is the same solution as last time not agreeable in this situation?
20110612 03:45:25< Gambit> Is the living allied side human?
20110612 03:45:35< Bob_The_Mighty> yes
20110612 03:45:43< Bob_The_Mighty> i found no solution last time
20110612 03:45:58< Bob_The_Mighty> other than keeping the leader alive artificially and hiding it
20110612 03:45:58< Gambit> Spare hidden leader?
20110612 03:46:04< Gambit> Yeah. :(
20110612 03:46:22< Bob_The_Mighty> but this problem doesn't happen on other maps of mine with a similiar set up
20110612 03:47:02< Gambit> Yeah it should not do that if there's a living allied human player…
20110612 03:47:07< Gambit> That ally has a leader?
20110612 03:47:12< Bob_The_Mighty> yeah
20110612 03:47:33< Gambit> victory_when_enemies_defeated is a bit dodgy in multiplayer
20110612 03:47:44< Gambit> And sadly we don't have a defeat_when_no_leaders
20110612 03:48:27< Gambit> There's a project to combine the singleplayer and multiplayer code this summer. Maybe things will get better after that.
20110612 03:48:50< Bob_The_Mighty> Sounds good
20110612 03:49:10< Gambit> Bob_The_Mighty: How many sides are there?
20110612 03:49:18< Bob_The_Mighty> what if i remove my 'victory_when_enemies_defeated=no' and stick an enemy leader in some inaccesible region
20110612 03:49:31< Bob_The_Mighty> 7 sides in total
20110612 03:49:37< Gambit> You and an ally versus an enemy? I think I got victory_when_enemies_defeated to work in multiplayer before by having three teams.
20110612 03:49:50< Gambit> *three or more
20110612 03:50:19< Gambit> Because then even if team A dies, teams B and C are still fighting and the game doesn't stop.
20110612 03:50:41< Bob_The_Mighty> currently the game only stops for the player whose leader dies
20110612 03:50:42< Gambit> Bob_The_Mighty: How many teams are those 7 sides split into?
20110612 03:51:50< Bob_The_Mighty> side=1-3 are on team 1, side 4+7 are team 2,1 and team 5+6 are team 3,4
20110612 03:52:05< Bob_The_Mighty> that does seem a bit complicated
20110612 03:54:33< Gambit> So team 1 contains 1,2,3
20110612 03:54:33< Gambit> Team 2 contains 4,7
20110612 03:54:33< Gambit> Team 3 contains: 1,5,6
20110612 03:54:33< Gambit> Team 4 contains 1,5,6
20110612 03:54:35< Gambit> ???
20110612 03:54:38< Gambit> Why is there even a team 4?
20110612 03:54:53< Bob_The_Mighty> team 4 is idle, team 7 is not
20110612 03:55:09< Gambit> I think we're mixing up teams and sides here.
20110612 03:55:29< Bob_The_Mighty> *side 4 is idle, side 7 is not
20110612 03:55:51< Gambit> Okay the side that dies: does it still have at least two other sides left that are not allied with it or each other?
20110612 03:56:29< Gambit> Well no nevermind because even if its ally is still alive with an enemy…
20110612 03:56:32< Gambit> Yeah this makes no sense.
20110612 03:56:40< Gambit> It shouldn't blow someone out of an ongoing game.
20110612 03:57:19< Gambit> Unless someone decided that you can no longer control your units after your leader dies in FFA.
20110612 03:57:31< Gambit> But they should have made that WML configurable.
20110612 03:57:32< Bob_The_Mighty> does it matter that there are no enemy leaders on the opposing team to the human players
20110612 03:57:46< Gambit> Maybe.
20110612 03:58:48< Bob_The_Mighty> okay, just standardised the teams and it still happens
20110612 03:58:56< Bob_The_Mighty> btw, this doesn't happen on local games
20110612 03:59:09< Gambit> So now there are enemy leaders?
20110612 03:59:39< Gambit> zaroth: Dunno if you read logs or not, but there shouldn't be any automatic loss conditions in the new multiplayer.
20110612 03:59:50< Gambit> The scenario should only end when told to by WML.
20110612 03:59:59< Bob_The_Mighty> haven't tried it with enemy leaders yet, will do now
20110612 04:05:01< Gambit> zaroth
20110612 04:05:07< Gambit> Bah keyboard fail.
20110612 04:05:44< Gambit> zaroth: In fact maybe there shouldn't be automatic loss conditions period. We simply don't know what future add-ons will want to do, and this is one way to give them more control.
20110612 04:07:00< Gambit> It's certainly easy enough to add a new death event for the player's leader in current mainline campaigns. I'd be willing to do that grunt work for this change.
20110612 04:08:37< Bob_The_Mighty> Gambit: I think that is a very good idea
20110612 04:09:22< Bob_The_Mighty> how would mp maps work though? 
20110612 04:10:10< Gambit> Same way. Explicit [end_level]'s only.
20110612 04:10:32< Bob_The_Mighty> inside a have_unit for leaders on a team?
20110612 04:10:46< Gambit> A die event with a filter.
20110612 04:10:57< Gambit> Either way.
20110612 04:11:42< Gambit> Hmmm. I guess [endlevel] doesn't have a side_for=
20110612 04:11:48< Gambit> That's an issue for MP.
20110612 04:14:55< Gambit> Err well no I guess it's not except that you can't tell who wins and who loses.
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20110612 04:23:46< Bob_The_Mighty> Gambit i got it working
20110612 04:24:02< Bob_The_Mighty> i kept victory_when_enemies_defeated=no but added a leader for side 6 on team 2
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20110612 05:28:38< CIA-94> espreon * r49848 /trunk/projectfiles/CodeBlocks/README.txt: Ran umcpropfix.
20110612 05:29:18< CIA-94> espreon * r49849 /trunk/utils/java/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/product/WorkbenchActionBuilder.java: Set svn:eol-style.
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20110612 11:38:15< Ivanovic> fendrin: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=491924#p491924
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20110612 11:41:48< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: maybe you know about this... http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=34028
20110612 11:46:07< loonycyborg> I remember talking to OP on this very channel.
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20110612 11:48:18< Ivanovic> okay
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20110612 14:35:09< grzywacz> hi
20110612 14:38:41< Sytyi> boucman, fendrin: Hi! Can I write my own exception or schould I avoid such style in Wesnoth ?
20110612 14:42:24< boucman> I think the wesnoth coding style explicitly tells to avoid exceptions...
20110612 14:44:46< grzywacz> Except for flow control?
20110612 14:45:10< Sytyi> boucman: You mean http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CodingStandards ?  
20110612 14:45:23< Sytyi> grzywacz: For file reading
20110612 14:45:46< Sytyi> boucman: OK. No exceptions. 
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20110612 14:51:13< loonycyborg> boucman: No. It explicitly tells that code must be exception-safe :P
20110612 14:51:39< loonycyborg> Maybe you're confusing it to some other project's coding style?
20110612 14:51:39< Sytyi> loonycyborg: I read i twice before asking :)
20110612 14:51:55< loonycyborg> s/to/with
20110612 14:52:06< Sytyi> s/i/it 
20110612 14:52:51< loonycyborg> Using them to signal errors is definitely ok since it's already done that way everywhere.
20110612 14:56:21< loonycyborg> E.g. network.hpp has its own exception class derived from game::error
20110612 14:57:08< loonycyborg> So if you need your own error class you'd better derive from game::error too :P
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20110612 15:03:07< Sytyi> loonycyborg: Thank you :)
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20110612 15:20:10< fendrin> Sytyi: exceptions are generally considered a good thing at least at my university.
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20110612 15:31:06< Alarantalara> At some point before 1.9.6 [set_variable] stopped accepting random ranges for the value= key. i.e. value=1..5 now assigns the value "1..5" to the variable. Does anyone know if this was intentional?
20110612 15:39:55< boucman> Alarantalara: if wmllint doesnt detect it it's probably inintentional, could you bisect the problem ?
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20110612 15:51:45< zookeeper> Alarantalara, i never knew that value= would accept random ranges. you sure?
20110612 15:51:58< Alarantalara> UtBS uses it in the last scenario
20110612 15:52:04< zookeeper> does it work though?
20110612 15:52:12< Alarantalara> In 1.8 it did
20110612 15:52:44< Alarantalara> but that seems like too broad a time frame to find out why
20110612 15:53:05< zookeeper> you mean {VARIABLE random_helper_i "1..$possible_helpers.length"} ?
20110612 15:53:21< Alarantalara> yes
20110612 15:53:31< zookeeper> ah, but that doesn't pick a random value, it just stores the random range into a var
20110612 15:53:39< Alarantalara> and then subtracts one from it
20110612 15:53:42< zookeeper> or...
20110612 15:53:55< zookeeper> looks like i messed up there
20110612 15:54:32< zookeeper> it should really be {VARIABLE_OP random_helper_i rand "1..$possible_helpers.length"}
20110612 15:54:51< zookeeper> i'm notorious for having made that exact same mistake several times
20110612 15:55:42< timotei> anonymissimus: how is it codeblocks compared to MSVC? :P
20110612 15:56:44< Alarantalara> zookeeper: the thing is, that that same line works in 1.8.6
20110612 15:57:01< Alarantalara> so it was valid at some point
20110612 15:57:05< anonymissimus> timotei: as an IDE on windows a worse choice than MSVC
20110612 15:57:21< anonymissimus> I use it only to compile there
20110612 15:57:49< CIA-94> zookeeper * r49850 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/12_The_Final_Confrontation.cfg: Fixed botched up randomization.
20110612 15:57:52< anonymissimus> on Linux an excellent choice
20110612 15:58:03< zookeeper> Alarantalara, i don't know anything about that; if it works then _that_ sounds accidental. i see no reason whatsoever why it should work.
20110612 15:58:33< zookeeper> Alarantalara, are you sure though that it really picks a random value from that range instead of just picking for example the first unit of the array?
20110612 15:58:34< timotei> anonymissimus: didn't you try KDevelop4? :)
20110612 15:58:41< anonymissimus> especially since intrllisense (some of it) and interactive gdb debugging do work
20110612 15:58:56< anonymissimus> 1. heavyweight
20110612 15:59:06< zookeeper> if it works in 1.8 then i won't port there...
20110612 15:59:12< anonymissimus> 2. very specific to KDE
20110612 15:59:26< anonymissimus> 3. very specific to Linux
20110612 15:59:49< anonymissimus> 3. I already knew codeBlocks
20110612 15:59:51< timotei> oh. ok:)
20110612 16:00:34< anonymissimus> 5. according to research, its feature don't excel codeblocks
20110612 16:01:00< anonymissimus> 6. I couldnt get it to open and work with wesnoth within an hour or so
20110612 16:01:25< Alarantalara> zookeeper: ah, it's still always 0, but 0 map into the array in 1.8
20110612 16:01:42< Alarantalara> so not actually random, but the units still appear, unlike in 1.9
20110612 16:02:31< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: re 6.: use cmake to generate the project files and it should be done in 5mins!
20110612 16:03:28< Ivanovic> okay, it should be the same for codeblocks, since there you can use cmake to produce the project files, too
20110612 16:03:58< Alarantalara> zookeeper: I ended up rewriting the whole section for the UMC-dev Eftboren version, ended up making the code quite a bit shorter
20110612 16:04:13< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: ok, I'll give it a shot
20110612 16:04:15< zookeeper> Alarantalara, ok, so, invalid array indices (such as foo[1..4]) don't cause an error in 1.8, but just silently use foo[0] instead?
20110612 16:04:28< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: cf http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake_Generator_Specific_Information#KDevelop3_Generator
20110612 16:04:34< timotei> Ivanovic, anonymissimus: basically yeah. It's a max 5 mins configuration step :P. using CMake
20110612 16:05:36< timotei> anonymissimus: I love it's intellisense (somehow I like it better than MSVC's), since IIRC, it also tells me what header/source file the specifid symbol comes from ;)
20110612 16:06:01< timotei> and iirc, it has some "locality" symbol suggestions.
20110612 16:06:03< Alarantalara> actually, it appears to be more of a parsing change
20110612 16:06:21< Alarantalara> 1..5 is text in 1.9 and subtracting 1 gets to index -1, which is an erro
20110612 16:06:38< Alarantalara> while in 1.8, subtracting 1 gives the anser 0
20110612 16:07:04< anonymissimus> Alarantalara: does current trunk compile for you ? I mean, did you try again since zaroth's changes ? :P
20110612 16:07:09< zookeeper> Alarantalara, ah, i see
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20110612 16:09:38< Alarantalara> zookeeper: I haven't built recently, so I don't know
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20110612 16:10:34< zookeeper> Alarantalara, what you said sounds very plausible
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20110612 16:47:42< timotei> anonymissimus: trunk compiled fine for me yesterday :)
20110612 16:47:49< timotei> with MSVC
20110612 16:47:54< timotei> I had to do a cleanup though
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20110612 16:49:10< Crendgrim> monochromatic: around?
20110612 16:49:22< monochromatic> not really, leaving now..
20110612 16:49:29< Crendgrim> alright
20110612 16:50:36< boucman> anonymissimus: I needed to install a new boos sub-library, but now it seems to compile fine
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20110612 18:05:16< anonymissimus> I've added a feature in lua.cpp, which makes g++ throw a warning for upstream code which looks like a parser mistake: /wesnoth/src/lua/loslib.c|60|warning: the use of `tmpnam' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'|
20110612 18:05:53< anonymissimus> it is lua_tmpnam, not tmpnam
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20110612 18:16:52< anonymissimus> it seems that a define LUA_USE_MKSTEMP should be added (but I only know how to do that in an IDE, not for cmakelists and sconstruct)
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20110612 18:20:51< loonycyborg> anonymissimus: For lua sources only or for everything?
20110612 18:21:28< anonymissimus> hm probably sufficient to do it for lua sources
20110612 18:22:12< anonymissimus> (for luaconf.h)
20110612 18:25:06< loonycyborg> If you'll commit it I'll fix it for scons.
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20110612 18:29:25< monochromatic> Crendgrim: well I'm back if you are.
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20110612 18:29:35< monochromatic> Though I probably will need to leave soon again.
20110612 18:36:16< CIA-94> anonymissimus * r49851 /trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp: 
20110612 18:36:16< CIA-94> enabled os.clock, os.date and os.difftime
20110612 18:36:16< CIA-94> Note that silene had agreed in enabling these.
20110612 18:36:16< CIA-94> This commtit makes g++ on Linux throw a warning for the lua upstream code which should probably be fixed by adding the define "LUA_USE_MKSTEMP"
20110612 18:36:24< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: go
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20110612 18:42:51< CIA-94> loonycyborg * r49852 /trunk/src/lua/SConscript: Made scons define LUA_USE_MKSTEMP to prevent a linker warning introduced by previous commit.
20110612 18:45:10< boucman> could anybody give me a lvl1 unit with a death anim of the top of their head ?
20110612 18:45:16< boucman> it'll save me a bit of grepping
20110612 18:45:26< loonycyborg> Thief
20110612 18:45:38< boucman> thx
20110612 18:46:40< boucman> yay it works :)
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20110612 18:49:24< CIA-94> boucman * r49853 /trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): change animation cycling to be decided by WML instead of hardcoded, only visible effect is that drakes should flap their wing properly in a number of border cases. Please use with caution
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20110612 19:36:16< AI0867> tests don't compile
20110612 19:37:25< anonymissimus> cmake ?
20110612 19:37:52< anonymissimus> with Werror ? add LUA_USE_MKSTEMP define for lua upstream source
20110612 19:42:37< loonycyborg> That's a liker warning, -Werror shouldn't be passed during linking afaik.
20110612 19:43:08< loonycyborg> And they compile for me.
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20110612 19:48:19< anonymissimus> Crab_: if you come around, can you pls pastebin again the content of your .bat file for the MSVC+cmake build system
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20110612 20:47:34< AI0867> scons
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20110612 20:55:06< loonycyborg> AI0867: What is exact error message?
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20110612 21:03:35< AI0867> I'm currently compiling wesnoth and  wesnothd only and as this is a netbook, I'm not yet finished
20110612 21:03:44< AI0867> I'll try to recreate ASAP
20110612 21:05:31< AI0867> fendrin: I'll try to figure out a fix for the top-level issue
20110612 21:09:18< AI0867> src/tests/test_commandline_options.cpp: In member function ‘void cmdline_opts::test_full_options::test_method()’:
20110612 21:09:22< AI0867> src/tests/test_commandline_options.cpp:335: error: dereferencing pointer ‘<anonymous>’ does break strict-aliasing rules
20110612 21:09:25< AI0867> src/tests/test_commandline_options.cpp:335: note: initialized from here
20110612 21:09:28< AI0867> src/tests/test_commandline_options.cpp:335: error: dereferencing pointer ‘<anonymous>’ does break strict-aliasing rules
20110612 21:09:31< AI0867> src/tests/test_commandline_options.cpp:335: note: initialized from here
20110612 21:09:34< AI0867> loonycyborg: ^
20110612 21:11:10< loonycyborg> AI0867: In the past such errors seemed appear and disappear on different gcc versions.
20110612 21:12:27< AI0867> g++ (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5
20110612 21:22:47< loonycyborg> And the boost version?
20110612 21:24:08< anonymissimus> AI0867: I got the exact same warnings in my recent tdm-gcc on win built
20110612 21:24:35< anonymissimus> and there were a lot of them, apparently all for boost upstream code; I just disabled that warning
20110612 21:25:49< AI0867> 1.42
20110612 21:26:07< AI0867> gone for an hour now
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20110612 21:39:35< loonycyborg> AI0867: I get the same if I use gcc 4.4.4
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20110612 23:10:32< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: you're using kdevelop ? it doesn't let me open the projectfiles generated by cmake (timotei said kdevelop4, cmake can only generate kdevelop3 project files)
20110612 23:11:10< anonymissimus> do I need a newer cmake, or comvert the projectfiles somehow
20110612 23:11:22< shadowmaster> I don't remember how I converted the original kdevelop 3 project file that was in SVN at some point to kdevelop 4.0
20110612 23:11:38< shadowmaster> although I'm pretty sure it didn't involve cmake.
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20110612 23:12:17< anonymissimus> and why can't kdevelop4 seemingly not convert its old project files ? or where is this option ?
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20110612 23:22:48< anonymissimus> "should be done in 5 mins!" - loool
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20110612 23:23:57< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: if you converted it, why isn't there a *.kdev4 file in teh repository then ? do you maintain your personal project file ?
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20110612 23:25:56< shadowmaster> "maintain" is probably a very optimistic verb. I just know it works for my purposes (code browsing and editing) and that's all. I haven't committed it to SVN because I don't know if it'll work for other people and I have also changed a lot of preferences that for whatever reason are stored in hidden files under wesnoth/, not in the .kdev4; also because I don't want it to look like I "maintain" the project file.
20110612 23:26:36< shadowmaster> For example, I had to add a lot of exclude patterns (and messed around with include patterns too for some reason) so kdevelop wouldn't try to put over 4 GiB of data in RAM
20110612 23:28:35< shadowmaster> I have not tested building from kdevelop either and probably won't work anyway since my project is generic and expects to be able to run make and be done with it; there's no support for autotools anymore, I wasn't using it in the first place and I dislike cmake, for all this time I've been using a separate terminal and scons command lines.
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20110612 23:45:51< anonymissimus> well, timotei, Ivanovic: no matter what I do - kdevelop4 keeps looking for a *.kdev4 project file which I can neither generate nor convert to whatsoever
20110612 23:46:16< Ivanovic> http://www.cmake.org/pipermail/cmake/2008-December/026003.html
20110612 23:47:04< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: lol, I did found this exact mail too
20110612 23:47:22< anonymissimus> doesnt help me
20110612 23:48:24< anonymissimus> theres probably an easy solution, but if one has been using some software a long time one doesnt remember how difficult it was to get used to it :P
20110612 23:51:12< Ivanovic> http://www.wxart2d.org/moin/Kdevelop4
20110612 23:51:36< Ivanovic> just add the cmakelists.txt file itself and be done!
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20110612 23:52:06< Ivanovic> in case you are interested, these were my search terms in google: cmake project file kdevelop4
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20110612 23:56:32< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: I choose (menu bar) project>open>CMakeLists.txt (the one in wesnoth project root)
20110612 23:56:46< anonymissimus> if thats what I'm supposed to do : bug
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20110612 23:57:25< anonymissimus> that gets me just "unable to open the project file wesnoth.kdev4"
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