--- Log opened Wed Jun 15 00:00:28 2011
20110615 00:03:06< Espreon> anonymissimus: umcpropfix works well in Cygwin...
20110615 00:04:15< anonymissimus> Espreon: not so sure; mind you, Linux uses file systems which can set the "executable bit" correctly; on windows far and nths systems that doesnt work
20110615 00:04:23< anonymissimus> fat
20110615 00:04:29< anonymissimus> and ntfs
20110615 00:04:45< Espreon> Cygwin is somehow able to deal with executable bits.
20110615 00:04:47< Espreon> Don't ask.
20110615 00:04:51< Espreon> ... it mystifies me as well.
20110615 00:05:02< boucman> Espreon: i'll have a look at your bug tomorow
20110615 00:05:34< Espreon> OK, cool.
20110615 00:05:38< Espreon> Thanks.
20110615 00:05:59< boucman> probably a consequence of my handling of cycling, not sure how, though...
20110615 00:06:03< boucman> hmm
20110615 00:06:31< boucman> unless we are replacing a non-cycling anim with a cycling anim, because of a default
20110615 00:06:37< boucman> what drake did you test with ?
20110615 00:06:46< boucman> never mind, i'll ask all that tomorow
20110615 00:07:07< Espreon> I tested with the ones mentioned in the report.
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20110615 00:18:12< boucman> night all
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20110615 01:32:09-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.9.7 planned for Saturday (June 18th) | 217 bugs, 317 feature requests, 27 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20110615 06:08:46< CIA-94> esr * r49871 /trunk/data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/ (01_Saving_Parthyn.cfg 02_Peaceful_Valley.cfg): 
20110615 06:08:46< CIA-94> Perform a sillyectomy on Descent Into Darkness.
20110615 06:08:46< CIA-94> Espreon pointed out two dialog easter eggs that don't match the direction
20110615 06:08:46< CIA-94> the campaign has since evolved, so I've commented out those two events.
20110615 06:17:14< shadowmaster> Espreon, esr wtf you two fun killers
20110615 06:18:06< esr> shadowmaster: Srsly? You were attached to those events?
20110615 06:18:27< shadowmaster> somewhat
20110615 06:18:48< shadowmaster> I'll probably go and remove those from the Shout Out entry in http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BattleForWesnoth later
20110615 06:19:10< shadowmaster> why can't we all have fun together like in the old times, why must all campaign writes take themselves so seriously...
20110615 06:19:13< shadowmaster> *writers
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20110615 06:30:24< shadowmaster> some day I'll write a NR parody campaign, oh yes, some day
20110615 06:45:54< esr> shadowmaster: I sympathize, but it may be an inevitable effect of trying to raise the level of the story text as literature that authors are gonna take it more seriously.  And, er, people like Espreon are going to *push* us to take it more seriously.
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20110615 06:59:28< shadowmaster> Well, this is a game, I see nothing inoffensive with an easter-egg that is not 100% likely to be triggered (I tend to use bats in that scenario to grab villages since they move faster). I'm not entirely serious so I'm not going to push the issue, but it's a rather odd move nonetheless. :)
20110615 07:00:27< shadowmaster> Err, *I see nothing wrong
20110615 07:01:25< shadowmaster> (I just hope this move wasn't more directly related to the "zi" vs. "zed" argument. Ugh.)
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20110615 07:03:52< esr> Er, what zi vs. zed argument?
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20110615 07:05:41< shadowmaster> Apparently z isn't spelled the same in U.K. and U.S. and I know that kind of differences* is likely to trigger Espreon's rage.
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20110615 07:06:05< esr> And so you know what my priorities are, I wouldn't push back hard if somebody wanted the Shaun & Ed event back in, but the "Fear leads to anger..." bit really does contradict where Malin's character development has gone.
20110615 07:06:31< shadowmaster> * I was going to point out something here but I'd better not unless I want to give everyone another North-American-ification job.
20110615 07:06:51< esr> That's correct - I used to like in GB and know the difference.
20110615 07:06:59< esr> s/like/live/
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20110615 07:44:21< CIA-94> esr * r49872 /trunk/data/core/macros/deprecated-utils.cfg: Scheduled removal of depercated macros.
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20110615 11:48:20< CIA-94> ivanovic * r49873 /trunk/ (381 files in 28 dirs): 
20110615 11:48:20< CIA-94> pot-update
20110615 11:48:20< CIA-94> regenerated doc files
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20110615 12:10:19< Espreon> esr: Espect an angry letter from anonymissimus soon. He wanted to change the way we handled deprecated crap. But, since you didn't know... who knows?
20110615 12:10:32< Espreon> *handle deprecated
20110615 12:13:08< Espreon> shadowmaster: Perhaps I'm too much like a Japanese mother...
20110615 12:14:13< Espreon> ... that is probably the reason that I must have things made to be more... serious.
20110615 12:20:31< Espreon> shadowmaster: ... Oh, and in truth, I'm a strong supporter of "izzard"... so... yeah.
20110615 12:20:39< Espreon> Well, kinda.
20110615 12:22:03< CIA-94> ivanovic * r49874 /trunk/ (332 files in 18 dirs): 
20110615 12:22:03< CIA-94> applied utils/wesnoth-optipng
20110615 12:22:03< CIA-94> Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20110615 12:22:03< CIA-94> Original size: 5632 KiB on 332 files
20110615 12:22:03< CIA-94> Optimized size: 4737 KiB
20110615 12:22:03< CIA-94> Total saving: 894 KiB = 15% decrease
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20110615 13:09:14< AI0867> Espreon: I haven't heard of that either
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20110615 15:34:45< Gambit> I found a page on the wiki where it's throwing not found errors: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/WesnothSVN
20110615 15:34:50< Gambit> But it's not the wiki's custom not found page.
20110615 15:35:53< Gambit> What's especially confusing is that I was just using it not even an hour ago.
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20110615 15:39:30< Gambit> Nevermind. I got someone else to look at the page. It's on my end.
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20110615 19:26:30< esr> anonymissimus: ping?
20110615 19:30:39< anonymissimus> esr: pong
20110615 19:32:18< esr> anonymissimus: Espreon says you've been propioosing a different way to handle deprecated macros and I may have crapped in your cereal by performing some scheduled deletions. Is he correct?  What are you thinking? 
20110615 19:35:49< anonymissimus> ah, yes; well I suggest to generally keep deprecated stuff longer (until stable versions) to make the deprecation messages useful for the majority of UMC authors; BUT since what you did remove are deprecated macros, AND wmlscope can easily detect unresolved macros, AND the 1.9 engine itsself does give perfect error messages about unresolved macros, I don't see the need to undo your commit or...
20110615 19:35:51< anonymissimus> ...something in this case
20110615 19:49:56< anonymissimus> the majority of umc authors will probably not know how to run wmlscope, but anyway, it's not possible to accidentally miss a neccessary update because of a removed mainline macro (either working around the need fro the macro, or making the old mainline macro a custom one)
20110615 19:55:34< esr> anonymissimus: Noted.
20110615 19:56:19< esr> anonymissimus: I think the improved error messages 1.9 pretty much resolve the difficulty by themselves.
20110615 20:03:34< timotei> http://eclipse.slooh.com/
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20110615 20:29:09< esr> timotei: That is *cool*.  Thank you!
20110615 20:29:56< Crendgrim> timotei: I can only second esr. Thanks a lot ;)
20110615 20:30:09< timotei> you're welcome :)
20110615 20:45:27< Espreon> boucman: You know about the problem where halos are sometimes rendered upside-down, right?
20110615 20:47:06< Espreon> This can easily be seen with the saurian magic halos.
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20110615 20:55:04< mordante> servus
20110615 20:56:12< mordante> anonymissimus, did you already commit your cmake changes?
20110615 20:57:05< mordante> Rhonda, I haven't committed any kfreebsd fixes yet; the first is tested and works, however the second if it works is a better fix
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20110615 20:57:52< mordante> Rhonda, did you hear something back of the person who wanted to test the second patch?
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20110615 21:00:12< Espreon> boucman: It'd be nice if there were a nice way to apply TC to halos in AnimationWML...
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20110615 21:09:42< Rhonda> mordante: Shortly, but I expect that the paste timed out again?
20110615 21:09:44< Nephro> wesbot, seen Crab_
20110615 21:09:45< wesbot> Nephro: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 6d ago.  5d 23h ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving.
20110615 21:10:09< Nephro> anonymissimus, so what did you want to know yesterday?
20110615 21:10:11< Nephro> hi
20110615 21:13:01< mordante> Rhonda, not sure, but here's a fresh one http://paste.debian.net/119981/
20110615 21:14:22< loonycyborg> mordante: The dialogs that track network connections haven't been converted to gui2 yet, correct?
20110615 21:15:12< loonycyborg> E.g. that display progress when downloading data from addon server.
20110615 21:16:28< anonymissimus> mordante: what do you rever to ? as for the 2 things that break MSVC+cmake, no
20110615 21:17:36< anonymissimus> Nephro: huh ?
20110615 21:18:01< Nephro> anonymissimus, you asked me a question about AI yesterday, iirc
20110615 21:18:29< anonymissimus> I mcant recall that ;)
20110615 21:18:36< mordante> loonycyborg, no they haven't yet
20110615 21:19:02< mordante> anonymissimus, yes I revered to them, won't have time today, really hope to find it tomorrow
20110615 21:19:47< loonycyborg> mordante: What is the best place to start learning gui2?
20110615 21:20:35< anonymissimus> mordante: I'm passing arguments correctly to cmake and MSVC links, however it still complains about libintl missing if I dont comment out that line
20110615 21:21:04< anonymissimus> the update_revision thing doesnt seem to do any harm
20110615 21:21:32< grzywacz> yay, full moon eclipse
20110615 21:21:40< grzywacz> Just vanished here in KRK. ;)
20110615 21:22:11< mordante> loonycyborg, the wikihttp://wiki.wesnoth.org/GUIToolkit
20110615 21:22:17< mordante> anonymissimus, ok
20110615 21:22:23< mordante> afk, dinner
20110615 21:26:09< Rhonda> mordante: Do you think pushing it the way it is into 1.9.7 would make you feel nervous? Should that affect only kfreebsd and not change much for others?
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20110615 21:37:39< boucman> Espreon: one thing at a time, looking at your death problem right now :)
20110615 21:38:38< boucman> and why use a halo, use a sub-animation,instead...
20110615 21:41:38< mordante> Rhonda, it wouldn't make me nervous, do you prefer me to commit it now?
20110615 21:42:24< Rhonda> I guess that would be the easiest, so that it's in 1.9.7 and we can test it through my regular upload :)
20110615 21:45:01< loonycyborg> mordante: What exactly src/gui/dialogs/addon_connect.?pp does?
20110615 21:48:19< mordante> Rhonda, ok will commit tomorrow, about to leave now
20110615 21:48:42< mordante> loonycyborg, show the addon connect dialog, lets you choose which server to connect to
20110615 21:49:18< loonycyborg> Ah.
20110615 21:50:09< loonycyborg> So addon_connect is already used but addon_list is --new-widgets only.
20110615 21:51:00< mordante> yes
20110615 21:53:33< mordante> I'm off night
20110615 21:53:46< loonycyborg> bye
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20110615 22:02:51< CIA-94> boucman * r49875 /trunk/src/ (unit_animation.cpp unit_animation.hpp): fix death animations not playing for unit with no death animation defined
20110615 22:04:49< anonymissimus> here's thread to close http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=34150&p=492806#p492806
20110615 22:07:28< Espreon> boucman: Well, the use I have is a recruit animation that shows a roc flying to the hex where it's to be recruited. This is done with halos. I'm not sure if it can be done without halos nowadays, so... yeahz.
20110615 22:08:02< Espreon> boucman: Shall I show you the code?
20110615 22:08:07< boucman> I don't know of any use case where sub-anims can't be used instead of halos, however the revers is not true
20110615 22:08:09< boucman> yes, please
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20110615 22:10:11< Espreon> http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/trunk/Era_of_Magic/units/Barbarians/Barbarian_RocRider.cfg?revision=9886&view=markup ... http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/trunk/Era_of_Magic/images/barbarians-rocs/
20110615 22:10:48< Espreon> boucman: ^ Yeah, the second link is so that you can easily find and view the recruit images.
20110615 22:11:56< boucman> replace all halo_x halo_y with x and y, remove all refs to the blank image, and use image= instead of halo= and tell me if it works 
20110615 22:12:01< boucman> TC should work that way
20110615 22:12:24< Espreon> Will you be around for long? I can't really play around with it now... we haz guests.
20110615 22:12:41< boucman> about 1&1/2hour
20110615 22:12:52< boucman> but you can test it without me and we discuss it another day...
20110615 22:12:53< Espreon> boucman: Perhaps you could try to deal with the flipped halo issues now?
20110615 22:12:57< Espreon> True.
20110615 22:13:50< boucman> Espreon: problem is that I have been flipping them back and forth for some time depending on who asked, now you should theoretically be able to get whatever you want with the proper param or by replacing halos by anims with the proper params
20110615 22:14:04< boucman> so unless there is a real bug, i'd try to vaoid touching that area
20110615 22:17:15< Nephro> After reading the EventWML page, I still don't get what actually fires custom events. Do they fire when the filter conditions are met?
20110615 22:20:45< Espreon> boucman: Honestly, it just seems random.
20110615 22:20:49< Espreon> ... the flipping.
20110615 22:21:00< zookeeper> Nephro, custom events are fired with [fire_event] from a non-custom event.
20110615 22:21:01< Espreon> Somtimes, it comes out normally; other times, flipped.
20110615 22:21:03< boucman> Espreon: i'm sure there is a rule :P
20110615 22:21:10< Espreon> ... Nnnnnnoooooo...
20110615 22:21:31< Espreon> From what I've seen, I doubt it.
20110615 22:21:40< zookeeper> Nephro, ...at which point the filter conditions are evaluated and the event either fires or not
20110615 22:22:13< Nephro> zookeeper, what if I can't describe some event using predefined events?
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20110615 22:22:46< boucman> it's directed by the auto_vflip and auto_hflip parameters
20110615 22:23:02< zookeeper> Nephro, well, then you're out of luck. any example?
20110615 22:23:17< boucman> (new to 1.9, i'm not sure the default value)
20110615 22:23:43< Espreon> boucman: OK, I guess I'll do some testing... but... IDK.
20110615 22:24:09< boucman> if you explicitely set these to false, it shouldn't change on its own
20110615 22:24:19< Nephro> zookeeper, well, for example, we have earned enough gold and recruit a new unit, at that point I want to fire an event
20110615 22:24:28< boucman> if not it should depend on the unit orientation, and i'm trying to figure out according to what rule
20110615 22:24:37< Nephro> zookeeper, in other words, to use recruiting as an event
20110615 22:25:16< zookeeper> Nephro, how does a normal recruit event not do the job?
20110615 22:25:16< boucman> halo in [frame] should not flip vertically by default, ohers should
20110615 22:25:35< boucman> they should all auto-flip horizontally with unit orientation
20110615 22:25:54< Nephro> zookeeper, oh, haven't noticed one. Thanks
20110615 22:27:17< zookeeper> Nephro, yeah. there's really very few things which the standard events can't cover.
20110615 22:27:24< Nephro> zookeeper, you've been working on level design, right? Have you done any AI customizing?
20110615 22:28:11< zookeeper> Nephro, nothing beyond tweaking the common AI parameters and added some recruiting constraints, no
20110615 22:28:20< zookeeper> s/added/adding
20110615 22:28:49< zookeeper> i haven't done anything with formula AI
20110615 22:30:49< Espreon> boucman: Well, they do flip vertically...
20110615 22:31:02< boucman> hmm
20110615 22:31:09< boucman> halos ?
20110615 22:31:15< Espreon> Yes.
20110615 22:31:16< boucman> could you paste the code or link ?
20110615 22:31:26< Espreon> It's all in the file I gave you.
20110615 22:31:45< Espreon> http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/trunk/Era_of_Magic/units/Barbarians/Barbarian_RocRider.cfg?revision=9886&view=markup
20110615 22:32:27< boucman> what anim ?
20110615 22:32:32< boucman> still the recruit ?
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20110615 22:34:41< timotei> night
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20110615 22:36:58< Espreon> boucman: Yes.
20110615 22:37:07< boucman> hmm
20110615 22:38:20< boucman> well, let's try with normal images instead of halos, and if it's still bad we'll study it in details
20110615 22:38:26< Espreon> Note that it's only vertically flipped when the unit is to face the right.
20110615 22:38:37< Espreon> Or was it the left?
20110615 22:38:54< boucman> you mean it's updside down when the unit face left ?
20110615 22:39:07< Espreon> Well, the recruit anim.
20110615 22:39:17< Espreon> I think we should figure out why it's being flipped.
20110615 22:40:57< boucman> ok, i'm digging, give me a minute
20110615 22:42:41< boucman> Espreon: there is something weird indeed
20110615 22:44:57< Espreon> Yup.
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20110615 22:46:46< boucman> Espreon: if I commit something, can you test right away ?
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20110615 22:52:20< Espreon> boucman: Sure.
20110615 22:52:51< boucman> ok, i'll commit something, tell me if the halos follow the unit orientation "properly" (i.e as I described earlier
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20110615 22:53:24< boucman> commited
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20110615 22:54:03< CIA-95> grzywacz * r49877 /trunk/src/preferences_display.cpp: Removed commented-out code from 2005.
20110615 22:54:07< CIA-95> grzywacz * r49878 /trunk/src/ (preferences_display.cpp video.cpp video.hpp): 
20110615 22:54:07< CIA-95> Fixed a bug with --bpp setting being ignored upon resolution change.
20110615 22:54:07< CIA-95> Forcing --bpp still breaks the video mode selection dialog.
20110615 22:55:03< Espreon> boucman: I'll get back to you in a few minutes.
20110615 22:55:30< boucman> thx
20110615 22:56:49< grzywacz> night
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20110615 22:58:51< Espreon> boucman: That didn't help.
20110615 22:59:04< boucman> it's still random direction ?
20110615 22:59:09< Espreon> Yes.
20110615 22:59:34< boucman> it's not random, that's for sure, it should only depend on the direction the unit is facing, can you check that ?
20110615 22:59:50< boucman> and if possible, tell me what facing result on what halo flipping
20110615 23:00:08< boucman> hmm
20110615 23:00:20< boucman> arn't units randomly facing on recruit ?
20110615 23:00:24< boucman> let me check...
20110615 23:02:41< boucman> hard to tell, it's not something the animation code decide. 
20110615 23:06:09< Ivanovic> boucman: you saw the announcement of ekopath4 being opensources?
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20110615 23:06:28< Ivanovic> boucman: might be nice to try if it is possible to build wesnoth with this compiler
20110615 23:06:48< Ivanovic> (especially since they claim to have really good parallelizing options, as well as openmp support)
20110615 23:06:56< boucman> could be, but i won't test it right now :P
20110615 23:07:06< Espreon> boucman: I'll do more investigating tonight.
20110615 23:07:17< Espreon> This is just... ugh.
20110615 23:07:21< Ivanovic> more as a general comment for you since you are working on the openmp stuff every now and then
20110615 23:07:37< boucman> Espreon: ok, but i'll revert my change since i didn't test them heavily
20110615 23:07:46< boucman> (so don't update if you want to test with them
20110615 23:08:21< CIA-95> boucman * r49879 /trunk/src/unit_frame.cpp: revert commit 49876 since it didn't help
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20110615 23:31:50< Espreon> anonymissimus: Would you please give me an example of a way to fire store_unit with the lua debug command?
20110615 23:32:02< Espreon> I just wish to store side one.
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20110615 23:43:32< Espreon> boucman: The problem seems to occur with units that are to face sw.
20110615 23:43:39< anonymissimus> Espreon: :lua wesnoth.wml_actions.store_unit({ {"filter", { side = 1 }}, variable = side_one })   (untested)
20110615 23:44:10< Espreon> Thanks.
20110615 23:44:47< boucman> ok, that's the most complicated direction, what do you see, what do you expect to see, and are you still using the commit I reverted ?
20110615 23:44:52< anonymissimus> ah, "side_one" (quotes)
20110615 23:45:07< anonymissimus> Espreon: ^
20110615 23:48:24< Espreon> Oh, OK.
20110615 23:48:40< Espreon> anonymissimus: Yeah, I noticed that the variable just turned out as "unit".
20110615 23:48:58< Espreon> There we go.
20110615 23:49:01< Espreon> anonymissimus: Thanks again.
20110615 23:49:32< Espreon> boucman: I see the roc coming in upside-down. I expect to to come in to the hex right side-up, and I am not using the commit you reverted.
20110615 23:50:30< boucman> Espreon: ok, i'll have a look another day, but I note you have a problem I need to look at...
20110615 23:50:50< Espreon> OK, thank you.
20110615 23:53:10< Espreon> boucman: Oh, note that the actual animation is completely upside down. So, the roc doesn't even go to the hex it's supposed to go. It's shown going to the top of the screen.
20110615 23:53:23< boucman> mkay
20110615 23:54:04< shadowmaster> my favorite post in Ideas so far: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=492826#p492826
20110615 23:55:05< shadowmaster> of course this makes NR-1 even more ludicrous in hindsight
20110615 23:58:16< CIA-95> loonycyborg * r49880 /trunk/src/game.cpp: Catch boost::program_option::error exceptions in main() preventing them from escaping and causing abnormal termination.
20110615 23:59:17< loonycyborg> iirc you could get an outright segfault with malformed command lines before po, so even SIGABRT was an improvement :P
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