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20110626 00:02:48< zaroth> there are mechanisms for queuing events the current state doesn't handle, btw, it's called deferring
20110626 00:02:55< Crab_> great
20110626 00:07:15< Crab_> boucman, zaroth: ok, here it is - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1258253
20110626 00:07:40< Crab_> it shows the idea of 'callback scripts' in action
20110626 00:08:33< Crab_> as you can see, the callback script itself is very simple, and doesn't contain any dialog calls / etc. 
20110626 00:09:18< Crab_> yet it allows to use a unified sp/mp control flow.
20110626 00:09:38< boucman> ok, I get the idea, this sounds good
20110626 00:10:40< Crab_> we can think of callback as a 'flow' through our state machine
20110626 00:11:41< Crab_> the callbacks can be nested, it happens when a flow invokes a subflow.
20110626 00:11:52< Crab_> in this case the outer flow resumes once the subflow finishes
20110626 00:12:59< Crab_> later, someone might document that interfaceFlowCallbackWML and expose the callback interface to lua / wml scripting.
20110626 00:13:41< Crab_> yet for now we can stay in pure c++
20110626 00:14:16< Crab_> or push the defs out to wml
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20110626 00:17:15< Crab_> boucman, zaroth: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1258269
20110626 00:17:49< Crab_> for simple cases, WML representation of flows would be quite clear.
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20110626 00:19:10< Crab_> of course proper care needs to be taken to properly abort flows (say, if user decided to cancel during selecting the sp campaign to play)
20110626 00:29:11< zaroth> Crab_: I posted something which is a bit closer to actual statechart syntax, let me know if it makes sense
20110626 00:29:12< zaroth> http://ideone.com/FIjtW
20110626 00:29:20< zaroth> (the comments should explain some parts)
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20110626 00:35:15< Crab_> I see
20110626 00:41:13< zaroth> Crab_: the part that is not-so-scalable is the list of deferred events
20110626 00:41:37< zaroth> because all the events that are possible to be queued at this point (state), have to be specified there
20110626 00:42:02< zaroth> but of course, we can go with some other implementation to go around this idea 
20110626 00:42:11< zaroth> and not use deferring at all
20110626 00:42:30< zaroth> it was just how I saw it when you first told me about your ideas
20110626 00:44:07< Crab_> can we have more than 1 event active at any point ?
20110626 00:44:26< zaroth> such as, have reactions to more than one?
20110626 00:44:36< Crab_> I mean, will we *ever* need to defer any events ?
20110626 00:44:39< zaroth> or have more than one in queue?
20110626 00:44:59< zaroth> well... if they were in wrong order, I guess ;-)
20110626 00:45:05< zaroth> good point
20110626 00:45:12< Crab_> we have 1 state, it sends an event (one of M potential events) which will be delayed till we exit the ctor
20110626 00:45:30< Crab_> do we need to specify all those M events as deferred ?
20110626 00:45:58< Crab_> but,in any case, it is only those M events that can be 'thrown' from this particular ctor, not any and all potential events in wesnoth
20110626 00:46:13< zaroth> no, I didn't test it, but it's probably just as you said - if they are put in the queue in the right order, there probably will be no need for deferrals
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20110626 00:51:08< zaroth> thanks for all the guidance today, I'm off now
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20110626 15:30:08< anonymissimus> wesbot: seen mordante
20110626 15:30:08< wesbot> anonymissimus: The person with the nick mordante last spoke 3d 17h ago.  3d 17h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-de with the message: Quit: Leaving
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20110626 17:08:14< CIA-95> timotei * r50043 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/preferences/WesnothInstallsPage.java: 
20110626 17:08:14< CIA-95> eclipse plugin: Select another existing install as default
20110626 17:08:14< CIA-95> if we just deleted the default
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20110626 18:02:03< Exasperation> anonymissimus: around?
20110626 18:02:13< anonymissimus> y
20110626 18:02:37< Exasperation> I've been thinking more about widgets+Lua
20110626 18:02:55< anonymissimus> you can/should use const qualifier when you are not goign to modify some variable btw
20110626 18:03:12< Exasperation> ok
20110626 18:05:49< Exasperation> I guess maybe the existing code there could use a few const qualifiers as well
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20110626 18:09:23< Exasperation> anyway, I've been thinking about what other important capabilities might be missing from the Lua interface to GUI2
20110626 18:09:39< anonymissimus> well for local primitive variables it's not so important, rather fi you pass pointers or references
20110626 18:10:21< anonymissimus> since you could accidentally modify such variable at a completely unrelated place (somehow the best feature in c++ imho)
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20110626 18:19:05< anonymissimus> Exasperation: btw did you find a way that pango markup works in label widgets ?
20110626 18:19:56< Exasperation> no, I never figured that out properly - I wound up using a kind-of-crude workaround
20110626 18:20:03< anonymissimus> or similar; this is a major issue for converting general [message] style dialogs to lua ones
20110626 18:23:19< anonymissimus> well, if you can find a function to process text with pango markup to pass the output to the widgets that's be nice to expose ;)
20110626 18:23:53< anonymissimus> that's what I would want to have since I want to use the exact same text in several contexts
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20110626 18:45:32< Exasperation> I might be able to work that out.  Or it might be already available but not clearly documented.  I'll have to spend more time looking at it.
20110626 18:47:53< Exasperation> The big thing I noticed that was missing is the ability to assign callbacks to buttons.  You (apparently) can make buttons that close the window and return a value, or that don't do anything, but there doesn't yet appear to be a way to attach a function to the button from Lua.  I think I see how you would do it, though.
20110626 18:48:41< Exasperation> note that you can already attach a callback to a toggle-button from Lua, though
20110626 18:50:48< Exasperation> the minor thing I noticed is that you don't seem to have access to the enable/disable widget commands from Lua
20110626 18:55:36< anonymissimus> Exasperation: btw I suggest you put wesband into the wesnoth umc repository too, so its muh easier for ken_oh and you to work simuktaneously
20110626 18:56:29< Exasperation> there are issues with cleaning Wesband up to meet umc repository standards
20110626 18:57:47< vultraz> how do you devs decide weather to mainline a camp? (criteria)
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20110626 19:16:32< anonymissimus> Exasperation: umm, what standards could that be ? wmlindent, wmllint and wmlscope are "no longer" autoamtically applied
20110626 19:17:11< Exasperation> huh, I guess that changed since last I considered the matter
20110626 19:17:50< anonymissimus> as far as wmlindent is concerned I'm also strictly opposed since I hate spaces for indentation
20110626 19:18:35< anonymissimus> for the other tools I never applied them automatically and would of course want to do that myself for my own addons
20110626 19:18:39< Exasperation> me too - plus, I think Wesband still may use some macros that wmlindent breaks
20110626 19:20:17< Exasperation> also there are serious issues with Wesband and translatable strings that make wmllint unhappy; those I would like to fix at some point, but it's not going to be simple
20110626 19:26:40< anonymissimus> only tool automatically applied is umcpropfix but that one is harmless, it just sets svn properties and doesnt modify the file
20110626 19:54:33< zaroth> wesbot: seen ilor
20110626 19:54:33< wesbot> zaroth: Sorry, I don't know of ilor.
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20110626 20:07:55< CIA-95> anonymissimus * r50044 /trunk/ (changelog data/core/about.cfg src/scripting/lua.cpp): 
20110626 20:07:55< CIA-95> added support for slider and progress_bar widgets to wesnoth.get_dialog_value
20110626 20:07:55< CIA-95> added support for text_box, slider, and progress_bar widgets to wesnoth.set_dialog_value
20110626 20:07:55< CIA-95> (bug #18271, patch #2755 by Exasperation)
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20110626 20:51:50< CIA-95> nephro * r50045 /trunk/data/ai/scenarios/scenario-lua-ai.cfg: Added a counter for sticky candidate actions and a comment for Crab
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20110626 21:32:34< Exasperation> anonymissimus: there's a present for you at patches.wesnoth.org
20110626 21:32:52 * Nephro scrolls wesnoth by shifting his laptop
20110626 21:36:15< CIA-95> nephro * r50046 /trunk/src/ai/composite/engine_lua.cpp: Added a sticky_ field to lua CA. Sticky CAs will now disable themselves after execution
20110626 21:36:50< Nephro> sticky_ = sticky_; -- almost forgot this in the code to be committed... (I am not crazy, this was needed to tame the debugge)
20110626 21:37:09< zaroth> ???
20110626 21:37:18< tschmitz> what does it do?
20110626 21:37:28< zaroth> does it have a custom operator= or something?
20110626 21:38:23< Nephro> No, no, no... It does nothing... It's just that the debugger seemed to jump out of the function right after the last operation, but I needed it to stay there a little longer, so I can watch the variables.
20110626 21:40:48< anonymissimus> Exasperation: nice, however, it think it was better to have this as a normla parameter in widfets while creating them
20110626 21:41:33< anonymissimus> like T.toggle_button { id = "test_toggle_button", use_markup true }
20110626 21:41:58< anonymissimus> other than it doesnt make sense for that type og widget
20110626 21:42:27< anonymissimus> but you took the function from tcontrol anyway
20110626 21:42:46< Exasperation> Actually, toggle buttons can have labels; any widget descended from a tcontrol (which is all of them) can have a label
20110626 21:43:20< zaroth> boucman: around?
20110626 21:44:43< Exasperation> If you look at Elvish_Hunter's test dialog that started this whole thing, he has a labelled toggle button; activating use_markup for that toggle button would allow that "yes" label to have markup
20110626 21:45:19< anonymissimus> it's probably not very difficult to do, one need to find the right spot where the parameters are read
20110626 21:45:47< Exasperation> yeah, that's the tricky part
20110626 21:45:50< anonymissimus> yes ok all widgets can have a label assigned; then it makes sense that all can have pango markup
20110626 21:46:14< Exasperation> I looked around for that first, but couldn't find it
20110626 21:46:29< anonymissimus> you may also file a feature request for mordante
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20110626 21:46:40< anonymissimus> he can do it in a few minutes probably
20110626 21:47:29< anonymissimus> or I can do it since I'd really like this feature
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20110626 21:49:20< Exasperation> the tip of the day things at the title screen have markup allowed, but their use_markup gets set by C++ code, not in the WML specification
20110626 21:50:00< Exasperation> evidence points to not being able to set it from WML, either
20110626 21:54:28< Exasperation> I suspect that if you made it settable in WML, you would get the Lua part for free, since wesnoth.show_dialog takes a WML table as input
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20110626 22:09:22< anonymissimus> boucman: btw t is a bad idea to randomize unit facings facings by deault
20110626 22:09:43< anonymissimus> i noticed inconsistencies in the gamestate several times now
20110626 22:10:21< anonymissimus> because of this, in mp; however usually there are no decisions based on unit facings so it's not fatal
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20110626 22:15:30< Exasperation> I think I found the function you would need to modify to allow it to be used as a normal parameter
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20110626 22:57:17< Exasperation> and it works!
20110626 22:59:44< zaroth> anonymissimus: the unit's facing is held in WML ?
20110626 23:00:00< zaroth> interesting
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20110626 23:00:46< zaroth> but maybe a better idea is to synchronize the facings properly rather than non-randomize them?
20110626 23:01:26< boucman> zaroth: I am now
20110626 23:01:59< zaroth> boucman: great, let me finish my current commit and discuss it later
20110626 23:02:41< boucman> sure
20110626 23:04:10< zaroth> you may want to git clone git://github.com/zaroth/wesnoth-statechart.git and familiarize yourself a bit with my demo already, I'll tell you when to pull the commit
20110626 23:04:32< boucman> zaroth: in a minute, i'm eating right now :)
20110626 23:05:12< zaroth> since I got a bit frustrated with UML tools, there are two diagrams in different formats in doc/
20110626 23:05:21< zaroth> but they are in sync now
20110626 23:06:01< zaroth> later I will let the format which irritates me less stay and drop the other ;-)
20110626 23:19:56< anonymissimus> zaroth: boucman made it so that the facing is set to the value forced by wml, so actually, it seems that facing isnt sent over the network
20110626 23:20:33< anonymissimus> as i understand it; also, in replays I noticed facing being randomized
20110626 23:22:14< anonymissimus> different than during play that is; and this shouldnt happen of coutse since the attribute is saved in the replay wml
20110626 23:23:17< anonymissimus> but not fatal the thing since nothing is based on facing (well, a umc author may do it btu it's stupid in any case)
20110626 23:23:42< tschmitz_> (lol)
20110626 23:26:28-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 220 bugs, 320 feature requests, 28 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20110626 23:26:36< zaroth> boucman: if you cloned my repo, pull changes please, if not, clone it now :-)
20110626 23:32:02< boucman> pulling
20110626 23:32:38< boucman> zaroth: doesn't compile (makefile isn't updated apparently
20110626 23:34:31< zaroth> boucman: forgot to commit two new files :D
20110626 23:34:41< boucman> hehe
20110626 23:34:43< boucman> ok ?
20110626 23:35:12< zaroth> boucman: yes, pull now again
20110626 23:37:36< boucman> ok
20110626 23:38:34< boucman> i'm installing umlet now
20110626 23:41:46< boucman> ok, argouml is not in wesnoth and umlet gives me dozen of errors
20110626 23:41:52< boucman> so, what should I look at :P
20110626 23:42:11< zaroth> boucman: just to tell you my woes with these tools : umlet is a small UML drawing-only tool. Quite nice and fast. argoUML OTOH is a big, robust solution with underlying models under the drawings, but ... has no undo option
20110626 23:42:30< boucman> ouch
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20110626 23:43:44< zaroth> it's a long standing FR in their bugzilla, for some reason it's difficult to implement it...
20110626 23:44:00< zaroth> boucman: what do you mean by "argouml is not in wesnoth"?
20110626 23:44:03< zaroth> why should it be?
20110626 23:44:14< zaroth> as for umlet, what kind of errors?
20110626 23:44:29< boucman> i meant argouml isn't in ubuntu
20110626 23:44:31< boucman> :P
20110626 23:44:34< boucman> as for umlet
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20110626 23:44:57< zaroth> if you have sun java installed, then http://www.umlet.com/umlet_11_3/umlet_11_3.zip
20110626 23:45:04< zaroth> and java -jar umlet.jar in main dir
20110626 23:45:13< boucman> the whole diagram is totally unreadable with boxes overlapping, no apparent links, and "this element has errors" written in most elements
20110626 23:45:48< zaroth> ...omg
20110626 23:45:58< zaroth> completely professional
20110626 23:46:18< zaroth> state of FLOSS UML modellers - perfect
20110626 23:46:36< boucman> aaah much better
20110626 23:46:44< boucman> your version works
20110626 23:47:28< zaroth> maybe you picked the version relying on eclipse to work
20110626 23:47:31< zaroth> this one is standalone
20110626 23:47:47< boucman> no, the version in ubuntu was most likely too old
20110626 23:48:06< boucman> well, it's running now, so we have an automaton, and you implemented it in c++
20110626 23:48:09< boucman> what next ?
20110626 23:48:14< zaroth> boucman: see mail
20110626 23:48:20< boucman> mail ?
20110626 23:48:22< boucman> checking...
20110626 23:48:38< zaroth> sent it to you and Crab_
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20110626 23:48:52< boucman> ok, got it
20110626 23:48:59< zaroth> stating my issues with the current automaton
20110626 23:49:16< zaroth> as for what next, I'd also like to know that ;-)
20110626 23:49:37< boucman> my guess is that most screen should generate the transitions when they are done (unless canceled, obviously)
20110626 23:50:14< boucman> i'm not too worried about naming, thx to compilers it's quite easy to change as long as we are clear on what each one is
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20110626 23:51:35< zaroth> hm, I haven't encountered a nice renamer for C++ so far
20110626 23:51:43< zaroth> the one in KDevelop takes ages with wesnoth codebase
20110626 23:51:50< zaroth> to even load, let alone change something
20110626 23:51:53< zaroth> but OK
20110626 23:52:54< zaroth> boucman: I'm going to bed now, please take a look at my code and find if you object to something
20110626 23:53:38< zaroth> such as breaking conventions, or some mechanisms used that will bring difficulties later, etc.
20110626 23:53:41< boucman> what I meant is that thanks to compiler it's a tedious but safe change
20110626 23:53:58< boucman> ok, i'll have a look
20110626 23:54:29< zaroth> I want badly comments on this, this is my first time building a state machine tbh
20110626 23:54:42< zaroth> all right, good night!
20110626 23:59:45< boucman> night
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