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20110627 01:03:44< zookeeper> i thought i'd play a little bit for a change, but even scrolling the map of the first scenario of TB is so incredibly choppy that i really don't want to anymore
20110627 01:03:48< zookeeper> (1.8.6)
20110627 01:04:53< zookeeper> as far as i can tell the performance has just kept getting worse in the past year or two. i even have map and standing animations off, so it's not that.
20110627 01:05:46< anonymissimus> well if you ask me we really do not need water animations and standing animations at all
20110627 01:06:07< zookeeper> i don't, because i agree with that anyway :p
20110627 01:06:47< zookeeper> this is choppy in the same way that unoptimized trunk builds have been choppy for me in the past.
20110627 01:06:55< anonymissimus> artists could put their effort into things making more sense such as the spectre which still has no attack animations :|
20110627 01:06:59 * zookeeper shrugs
20110627 01:07:35< zookeeper> i hope this is specific to my system and not the same for everyone
20110627 01:07:43< shadowmaster> anonymissimus: sounds like a good idea! tell them that
20110627 01:07:55< anonymissimus> :)
20110627 01:08:15< anonymissimus> well since I'm no artist at all I cant tell them anything
20110627 01:09:58< anonymissimus> most games I play have little graphics; thats not something that makes a game good imho; it's just eating up resources
20110627 01:11:52< shadowmaster> you should have played Wesnoth 1.0.
20110627 01:12:09< shadowmaster> in fact, I hope you have.
20110627 01:12:29< zookeeper> sometimes artists are exactly like OSS purists; the planned end result being "right" matters more than getting stuff done in our lifetime ;)
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20110627 01:13:56< shadowmaster> you need to keep in mind that for Joe R. User, it's the little "wasteful" details that keep their interest in newer versions of the game. I don't think Wesnoth would be at all popular as it is now if the art department had frozen pre-1.0.
20110627 01:14:29< shadowmaster> Joe doesn't care about your super-efficient AI algorithm for multiplayer either.
20110627 01:14:56< shadowmaster> And furthermore, Joe will rarely see a Spectre in multiplayer.
20110627 01:14:59< zookeeper> i doubt many joes keep coming back for a new standing animation every now and then
20110627 01:15:23< anonymissimus> well as far as I'm concerned it's wesnoth's extendability which is simply unmatched
20110627 01:15:34< shadowmaster> extensibility
20110627 01:16:50< anonymissimus> no i never played 1.0
20110627 01:17:14< anonymissimus> i've played 1.2 at some point
20110627 01:17:42< shadowmaster> there was a certain charm to the marionette-like animations but I'm thankful our artists have learned better
20110627 01:18:00< anonymissimus> assuming there werent much graphics changes in one dev cycle, i found the graphics to be sufficient
20110627 01:19:57< shadowmaster> I am not sure how much of the animations changed by 1.2, but the baseframes changed a lot, especially for the loyalists.
20110627 01:20:12< shadowmaster> They used to be midgets clad in armor with no team color.
20110627 01:21:27< zookeeper> well, we were talking about wasteful animations, not quality of graphics
20110627 01:28:15< anonymissimus> well there's also this general tendency that things get added and added and added over ther years
20110627 01:29:11< anonymissimus> functions grow till thousands of lines are hard to understand and I guess that it somehow affects performance too
20110627 01:29:32< anonymissimus> and then the devs who implemented their stuff disappear :(
20110627 01:31:26< anonymissimus> ok, 400 lines
20110627 01:31:57< anonymissimus> move_unit in actions.cpp thats the largest I noticed
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20110627 08:33:48< CIA-95> shadowmaster * r50047 /trunk/data/core/terrain.cfg: (log message trimmed)
20110627 08:33:48< CIA-95> Re-rationization of terrain names, part 1
20110627 08:33:48< CIA-95> Eleazar's "rationalization" of terrain names in r47151, r47154 left quite a
20110627 08:33:48< CIA-95> bunch of terrains with editor_name attributes but no name attribute. While it
20110627 08:33:48< CIA-95> may theoretically make sense to inherit the name attribute from an aliased
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20110627 08:57:56< CIA-95> shadowmaster * r50048 /trunk/data/core/terrain.cfg: 
20110627 08:57:56< CIA-95> Re-rationalization of terrain names, part 2
20110627 08:57:56< CIA-95> Interested people look at the full commit message in SVN instead of CIA's crappy notifications.
20110627 08:57:56< CIA-95> * All nameless terrains were given generic-enough names.
20110627 08:57:56< CIA-95> * "Aquatic Village" became simply "Village"; "Sunken Castle/Keep" is "Ruined Castle/Keep"
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20110627 08:59:51< CIA-95> shadowmaster * r50049 /trunk/changelog: I deserve a changelog entry and section of my own for this crappy effort
20110627 09:00:00< shadowmaster> zookeeper: may want to take a look at r50047 and r50048
20110627 09:00:50< zookeeper> shadowmaster, yeah, i'm going to
20110627 09:04:09< shadowmaster> Now I need to untangle the .editor_name vs .description mess which is part my fault for not noticing esr's half-baked implementation of editor names with a not-quite standard WML attribute name.
20110627 09:04:53< esr> shadowmaster: How should it have been done better?
20110627 09:05:39< shadowmaster> Naming it something other than description may have been a good idea. What if somebody decided that terrains deserve paragraph-long descriptions in their definitions?
20110627 09:08:22< zookeeper> shadowmaster, looks ok to me, but should all flat terrains get the in-game name "flat" instead? the same for "frozen".
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20110627 09:09:19< shadowmaster> Not sure. "Flat" is already part of the list of aliased bases/terrains/whatevers in parenthesis in the report text.
20110627 09:09:25< esr> shadowmaster: Reasonable point.  But at leasr it's easily fixable.
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20110627 09:09:41< shadowmaster> i.e. "Grassland (Flat)"
20110627 09:09:57< zookeeper> shadowmaster, hmh, ok...
20110627 09:10:32< zookeeper> i'm gonna take a further look in a few minutes ->
20110627 09:10:40< shadowmaster> okay, "Forest (Forest)" sounds silly
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20110627 09:11:10< shadowmaster> an option could be *not* including in parenthesis terrain bases that have the same user-visible name as the terrain itself
20110627 09:11:56< shadowmaster> F(F) is a consequence of the overlays mechanism; you may notice Shallow Water is just Shallow Water and not "Shallow Water (Shallow Water)"
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20110627 09:14:31< shadowmaster> esr: one thing I may consider is deprecating .description (it's not used in mainline anyway) to reserve it for such an occasion (paragraph-long descriptions) now that .editor_name exists and works
20110627 09:14:57< esr> shadowmaster: Seems like a good plsan.
20110627 09:15:11< esr> s/plsan/plan/
20110627 09:19:47< CIA-95> shadowmaster * r50050 /trunk/data/core/terrain.cfg: Hide deprecated terrains from the editor palette while someone decides when to kill them
20110627 09:19:57< CIA-95> shadowmaster * r50051 /trunk/ (changelog src/scripting/lua.cpp): Lua: wesnoth.get_terrain_info() can now retrieve .editor_name
20110627 09:31:05< zookeeper> shadowmaster, i might be totally wrong, but i thought eleazar wanted to drop the terrain name (except in the editor) so only the aliasing info would be displayed
20110627 09:33:31< shadowmaster> maybe, but I don't think "(Foo, Bar)" looks good
20110627 09:35:44< shadowmaster> now, in the "(Flat)" (really Grassland) case "perhaps" dropping the parenthesis may make sense
20110627 09:36:06< zookeeper> well, yes, the parenthesis could be dropped everywhere in that case, no?
20110627 09:36:32< zookeeper> "Forest,Hills", "Sand", "Village,Mountain", "Flat"
20110627 09:37:20< zookeeper> plus, dropping the name would grant extra space where it might be possible to cram small icons to denote the best/worst stuff.
20110627 09:40:01< shadowmaster> so that'd mean either .name becomes synonym with .editor_name, or .name gets deprecated or .editor_name gets deprecated
20110627 09:40:13< shadowmaster> or .name gets an use somewhere else in the regular gameplay display
20110627 09:40:20< shadowmaster> er, *a use
20110627 09:41:02< zookeeper> yes
20110627 09:42:01< shadowmaster> I'm not sure I'm comfortable with "Chasm (Unwalkable)" becoming simply "Unwalkable" in-game
20110627 09:43:04< zookeeper> seems pretty descriptive to me
20110627 09:43:16< zookeeper> in any case, shouldn't fence and water lilies only have editor_name like other embellishments?
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20110627 09:44:23< shadowmaster> that problem is quite related to the above; right now nameless embelishments look inconsistent in-game
20110627 09:46:03< zookeeper> okay
20110627 09:46:04< shadowmaster> okay, let's drop .name visibility for a release and see what happens
20110627 09:47:22< zookeeper> in trunk editor, i can't see the golden frame below the pointer unless it's on the map edge
20110627 09:48:40< shadowmaster> how od, I can.
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20110627 10:10:16< Ivanovic> moin
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20110627 10:11:53< shadowmaster> fabi: how about ignoring any joystick that doesn't have buttons, by default'
20110627 10:12:50< shadowmaster> I could use a way to disable the joystick in Preferences too.
20110627 10:15:48< shadowmaster> (yes, I know $ sudo modprobe -r hp_accel and/or blacklisting that and lis3lv02d is a nice workaround, but I don't know about other people.)
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20110627 10:47:35< shadowmaster> Um, what the hell...
20110627 10:49:36< shadowmaster> oh crap, the terrain report code is duplicated all over the place.
20110627 10:51:31< shadowmaster> Right, I forgot "Owned village" and such are also part of the report *facepalm*
20110627 10:52:23< shadowmaster> zookeeper: what do you suggest to do to report that case?
20110627 10:53:35< shadowmaster> okay, one problem with dropping .name is that "Keep (Castle)" will become simply "Castle"
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20110627 11:07:38< zookeeper> shadowmaster, right, good points
20110627 11:08:37< zookeeper> i guess we can't just drop the name display then without adding something else
20110627 11:09:01< zookeeper> so, umm, let's not try to drop it just yet :P
20110627 11:09:50 * shadowmaster nods.
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20110627 11:26:34< CIA-95> shadowmaster * r50052 /trunk/src/ (editor/editor_palettes.cpp reports.cpp): 
20110627 11:26:34< CIA-95> Reduce code duplication in the game and editor by reusing gamemap functions for generating terrain reports
20110627 11:26:34< CIA-95> This way we don't need to hunt this again if the report format changes.
20110627 11:36:35< CIA-95> shadowmaster * r50053 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/ (campaign_difficulty.cfg simple_item_selector.cfg): gui2: campaign_difficulty, simple_item_selector: Set standard margins for the central listbox widget (looks nicer this way)
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20110627 11:47:29< CIA-95> shadowmaster * r50054 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/simple_item_selector.cpp: 
20110627 11:47:29< CIA-95> gui2/simple_item_selector: Hide the message label when it's empty so it doesn't take up space
20110627 11:47:29< CIA-95> Some day there should be a way to specify in the dialog WML to auto-hide a control with an empty label.
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20110627 12:42:35< Nephro> Any docs on creating new WML tags around?
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20110627 13:10:21< timotei> Nephro: you can create new ones using Lua 
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20110627 15:11:44< anonymissimus> timotei: when you tested omp with MSVC, did you get a complaint about missing dll at runtime ? how did you solve it ?
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20110627 15:28:03< anonymissimus> timotei21: when you tested omp with MSVC, did you get a complaint about missing dll at runtime ? how did you solve it ?
20110627 15:28:16< timotei21> anonymissimus: yes. loonycyborg gave me one iirc
20110627 15:28:18< timotei21> or I found it
20110627 15:28:38< timotei21> anonymissimus: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/462510/vcomp90d.dll
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20110627 16:18:27< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: I'm experiencing a crash in the wesnoth map editor when trying to load any map. It is only reproducible with the tdm-gccc built on windows, not on Linux, not with MSVC built and also not with an official release. The best I have is this gdb-on-win backtrace: http://pastebin.com/SLux6D2Q
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20110627 16:19:10< anonymissimus> that tells me it's probably somehow related to that dll - I took that dl from an official release
20110627 16:20:27< loonycyborg> official release's boost uses win32 thread api.
20110627 16:20:46< loonycyborg> Probably you have pthread because you compiled boost under cygwin.
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20110627 16:21:41< loonycyborg> To make it use win32 thread api one must pass 'threadapi=win32' to bjam.
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20110627 17:54:26< fabi> shadowmaster: Turning all joystick support off by default will fix your problem and is the easiest way for me to go. I will do that first.
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20110627 18:12:48< Sytyi> wesbot: seen mordante
20110627 18:12:48< wesbot> Sytyi: The person with the nick mordante last spoke 4d 20h ago.  4d 20h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-de with the message: Quit: Leaving
20110627 18:13:01< CIA-95> anonymissimus * r50055 /trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp: fixed indentation
20110627 18:13:19< CIA-95> anonymissimus * r50056 /trunk/projectfiles/VC9/ (4 files): 
20110627 18:13:19< CIA-95> enable openmp in MSVC2008+standalone project files
20110627 18:13:19< CIA-95> needed dll: http://www.mediafire.com/?dqlpppu2vqdd0yl
20110627 18:13:19< CIA-95> (put into wesnoth project root/execution dir)
20110627 18:13:36< CIA-95> anonymissimus * r50057 /trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp: add a macro for the unit setter which also checks for out of bounds
20110627 18:13:53< CIA-95> anonymissimus * r50058 /trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp: 
20110627 18:13:53< CIA-95> check for out of bounds when setting unit sides
20110627 18:13:53< CIA-95> fixes segfault
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20110627 18:17:29< neph_> anonymissimus, hi. Do you know how I can create a new WML tag and assign it to a Lua function?
20110627 18:17:39< neph_> how can I*
20110627 18:22:28< anonymissimus> neph_: write the function as wesnoth.wml_actions.some_tag() end and load the file where this is with wesnoth.dofile or .require
20110627 18:23:40< anonymissimus> or if its a tag suitable for core just add it in data/lua/wml-tags.lua
20110627 18:24:30< anonymissimus> as for your wesnoth.modify_ai i think it's best to keep it silently added, dont wire the existing tag to it
20110627 18:24:50< neph_> anonymissimus, no, it's not about modify_ai at all
20110627 18:26:17< neph_> anonymissimus, did I understand right, that the first way is suitable for locally used WML lua tags, but if I add it to data/lua/wml-tags... then it will be available globally?
20110627 18:29:07< anonymissimus> neph_: yes
20110627 18:29:15< neph_> anonymissimus, thanks
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20110627 18:29:47< anonymissimus> although depends on what "local" means
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20110627 18:30:46< anonymissimus> if you refer to preprocessor scopes; an addon could also modify a core tag if it loads a file defining such a tag from outside its #ifdef
20110627 18:31:09< anonymissimus> and thereby break core and other addons...
20110627 18:31:27< neph_> anonymissimus, well, I am designing a tag that should be available to all scenario devs
20110627 18:32:09< anonymissimus> what is its functionality ?
20110627 18:33:08< neph_> It creates a candidate action that sticks to a certain unit, being it's "behaviour"... We discussed this with Crab some time ago.
20110627 18:33:50< neph_> We decided that it will be backed by a Lua function
20110627 18:35:33< anonymissimus> neph_: it may make sense to create an own file then, maybe data/lua/ai/something.lua and load it with wesnoth.require in wml-tags.lua
20110627 18:36:00< neph_> anonymissimus, thank you
20110627 18:37:09< anonymissimus> or better data/ai/lua/
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20110627 19:00:59< neph_> anonymissimus, I always thought, that it's not good to have includes of the form ../../some_folder/asd.hpp. 
20110627 19:02:29< neph_> hmm, but I actually have some of these in my own code, so it's probably inevitable
20110627 19:11:34< anonymissimus> #include "../lua_jailbreak_exception.hpp"
20110627 19:11:51< anonymissimus> thats in luaconf.h by mordante's ok
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20110627 19:18:33< Sytyi> loonycyborg: Can you answer a few questions about gui2 realisation and wml tags. I.E wml tags mentioned in src/gui/auxilary/widget_definition and src/gui/auxilary/window_builder the same or diifferent ?
20110627 19:18:57< Sytyi> * same / are the same
20110627 19:23:36< loonycyborg> Sytyi: I don't know much about GUI2's internals yet. I've only designed my first dialog with it recently.
20110627 19:24:02< loonycyborg> Same/different in what context?
20110627 19:24:07< Sytyi> loonycyborg: Thanks. 
20110627 19:25:03< Sytyi> loonycyborg: AFAI understand you need to define widget with [widget_definitiion] and then use like [widget]
20110627 19:25:40< Sytyi> there are 2 subfolders, each containing nearly the same filenames. 
20110627 19:26:04< Sytyi> I'm trying to annotate each and to build a hierarchy of tags,
20110627 19:27:06< Sytyi> and can not understand whether tags mentioned in widget_definition/*.cpp are the same as in window_builder/*.cpp
20110627 19:27:47< Sytyi> there are everything with two different lists of tags
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20110627 19:32:27< loonycyborg> Sytyi: What mentions exactly do you mean? The wiki_grabber comments?
20110627 19:32:36< Sytyi> loonycyborg: yep
20110627 19:34:15< loonycyborg> One set is GUIWidgetDefinitionWML while other is GUIWidgetInstanceWML
20110627 19:34:40< loonycyborg> Since they're separate sections in the wiki then probably they're different.
20110627 19:38:23< Sytyi> loonycyborg: Thanks a lot. Trying to compare with default.cfg from data/gui to find what will exactly be definition
20110627 19:39:18< loonycyborg> GUIWidgetDefinitionWML is for defining new widgets for the toolkit while GUIWidgetInstanceWML is for actually placing those widgets onto the GUI.
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20110627 19:41:42< Sytyi> loonycyborg: thank you a lot. :)
20110627 19:44:57< CIA-95> timotei * r50059 /website/eclipse.wesnoth.org/ (doc_howto.html features.html index.html): ~ Rename 'Documentation & How to install' to: 'Documentation' and 'Download'
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20110627 20:18:56< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: doesnt seem to work; also, this threadapi= is not listed among the other something= options
20110627 20:19:12< anonymissimus> when doing ./bjam --help
20110627 20:19:24< loonycyborg> It doesn't list everything.
20110627 20:19:59< loonycyborg> I use it when cross-compiling boost.
20110627 20:20:42< anonymissimus> well then maybe you should check whether you can load maps with such a crosscompiled editor on win^^
20110627 20:21:18< anonymissimus> its not fatal, since I can workaround it by using an MSVC binary, but quite nasty in any case
20110627 20:21:51< anonymissimus> sincer when "using" BfW, that is, coding lua wml or playing I use the MinGW binary
20110627 20:22:11< loonycyborg> I'm pretty sure that I can't get a segfault from pthread dll because it's not even used.
20110627 20:24:50< loonycyborg> './bjam threadapi=win32 --with-thread' should definitely work.
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20110627 20:36:58< anonymissimus> that fails
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20110627 20:39:23< anonymissimus> without the threadapi option it succeeds
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20110627 20:43:17< loonycyborg> anonymissimus: What is the output exactly?
20110627 20:49:10< anonymissimus> well why is that dll included if it's unused ? :P
20110627 20:49:15< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: http://pastebin.com/AgzPSqLH
20110627 20:49:31< anonymissimus> not very clean that output
20110627 20:49:43< anonymissimus> is there some option to ingore all warnings
20110627 20:51:03< loonycyborg> Which boost version is that?
20110627 20:51:55< anonymissimus> boost_1_46_1
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20110627 21:05:53< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: libbost_thread isnt even linked into currently
20110627 21:09:14< anonymissimus> but it doesnt matter, i get undefined references from boos_regex inly solveable by adding pthread to the linked libraries (that was already the biggest problem when I compiled first tdm-gcc)
20110627 21:10:05< loonycyborg> Hm.. It seems that building boost.thread is disabled altogether if threadapi=pthread
20110627 21:10:23< loonycyborg> And only if targeting windows.
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20110627 21:18:40< anonymissimus> well if you dont know a solution I guess I should live with that crash for now
20110627 21:19:06< anonymissimus> until I can build the prerequisites without cygwin
20110627 21:19:47< loonycyborg> http://files.wesnoth.org/hidden/win/ <- perhaps you can try my cross-compiled boost.regex.
20110627 21:20:14< loonycyborg> If it'll be too old I'll upload one from boost 1.46.1
20110627 21:21:28< anonymissimus> think i already tried that
20110627 21:21:46< loonycyborg> But I agree that building with cygwin is the root cause.
20110627 21:22:22< anonymissimus> I'm afraid that this crash isnt the only problem and I will notice some more whenever that dll is called
20110627 21:22:44< anonymissimus> strange that loading maps ingame works however
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20110627 21:27:49< loonycyborg> Probably the case of regex + mingw32 + pthread just isn't well tested.
20110627 21:28:32< loonycyborg> Anyway, I've uploaded 1.46.1 .a files to hidden/win
20110627 21:29:07< loonycyborg> Those were used to build the official binary.
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20110627 21:35:14< Sytyi> Is there any manual  how to define local wml tags ?
20110627 21:39:45< anonymissimus> Sytyi: no need for a manual, it's easy enough ;)
20110627 21:39:47< Exasperation> there is http://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaWML#Events_and_WML_actions - look at wesnoth.register_wml_action and wesnoth.wml_actions
20110627 21:40:17< Sytyi> thanks ! :)
20110627 21:40:24< anonymissimus> Sytyi: neph_ just asked the same earlier today
20110627 21:40:32< anonymissimus> and my answers are in the log
20110627 21:40:33< Exasperation> welcome
20110627 21:40:59< anonymissimus> [18:17]	<neph_>	anonymissimus, hi. Do you know how I can create a new WML tag and assign it to a Lua function?
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20110627 21:41:38< anonymissimus> that was at 6pm GMT afaik
20110627 21:41:57< anonymissimus> um no 4 pm :|
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20110627 22:20:31< crimson_penguin> esr: the charset on http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html appears to be messed up
20110627 22:20:49< crimson_penguin> and it does send as charset=iso-8859-1, so it's not just a bad default
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20110627 23:21:27< esr> crimson_penguin: A problem with my Docbook toolchain, alas.
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20110627 23:59:06< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=494433#p494433
20110627 23:59:20< zookeeper> esr, @ #wesnoth: <KaKiLa> Hi, does anybody knows what does this entry in the Timeline make reference to? "The long watch of the River Guard begins. "
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