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20110610 00:55:26< Exasperation> Hello
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20110610 04:33:34< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20110610 07:26:00< jzmer> is wesnoth build-able with sdl 1.3?
20110610 07:26:40< Espreon> Possibly.
20110610 07:27:14< Espreon> I've seen commits that solve build issues with sdl 1.3... so... yeah... maybe.
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20110610 09:48:49< Ivanovic> moin
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20110610 14:04:02< Cookie> lemme find that link
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20110610 14:37:32< Cookie> CF 
20110610 14:37:36< Cookie> how unexpected
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20110610 18:29:13< zaroth> wow, healing was once floating point operation in wesnoth?
20110610 18:30:41< zookeeper> what makes you think that?
20110610 18:31:56< zaroth> zookeeper: https://gna.org/task/?2521
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20110610 18:35:53< zaroth> but it seems really old, I wonder if somebody here is with wesnoth long enough to remember that...
20110610 18:38:25< zookeeper> well, i guess it might have been. i mean, the old way was that a healer would have X "healing points" which would get distributed amongst the adjacent friendlies using an ackward "who needs healing most" formula, which maybe used floating point math.
20110610 18:39:09< VurtualRuler98> That's a weird way to do it.
20110610 18:40:08< zookeeper> that was pretty much one of the few basic design issues i've seen in wesnoth
20110610 18:40:29< zookeeper> VurtualRuler98, there was still a cap of 8hp given per unit on top of that
20110610 18:40:49< VurtualRuler98> The weirdness does not stop.
20110610 18:41:12< zookeeper> so if you had two wounded friendlies adjacent, then those would both get +8hp, but if you got six, then the hp's were distributed in some strange manner. and yeah, it was kinda weird.
20110610 18:42:29< VurtualRuler98> The whole game's really designed into a corner.
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20110610 18:43:08 * zookeeper doesn't know what that's supposed to mean
20110610 18:43:24< VurtualRuler98> You could fix every issue very well, but it would require changing some other major gameplay thing.
20110610 18:43:28< VurtualRuler98> Which could be fixed, but another thing relies on it.
20110610 18:43:54< VurtualRuler98> To make any substantial change, you would have to redesign wesnoth entirely in a certain direction.
20110610 18:44:57 * zookeeper shrugs
20110610 18:45:30< zookeeper> sure we could make any substantial change we'd want to make in theory. people just would complain about it.
20110610 18:45:35< VurtualRuler98> Exactly!
20110610 18:45:42< VurtualRuler98> Or you'd end up with a really well designed different game
20110610 18:46:01< VurtualRuler98> . There are also more direct changes you could do, but they'd be oddly specific for the game and would probably never work out.
20110610 18:46:22< zookeeper> yes, and having a really well designed different game is not what people would complain about.
20110610 18:46:31< zookeeper> they'd complain about the classic wesnoth getting abandoned.
20110610 18:46:33< VurtualRuler98> It's because it's not the game they had before.
20110610 18:47:24< VurtualRuler98> Unless you somehow doubled over your codebase so you had both "wesnoth the jagged alliance clone" and "wesnoth-4x" and "wesnoth classic" and whatever all running at once, which would also probably take a few years to do too.
20110610 18:47:52< VurtualRuler98> So everyone's left with "starting your own thing" or "do actual work", and nobody wants to do actual work.
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20110610 19:03:59< zaroth> VurtualRuler98: I'd say the way to cope with this is to make WML more and more powerful
20110610 19:04:26< zaroth> so anyone who wants to create his own game using wesnoth engine is completely free to do so
20110610 19:04:37< zaroth> (not that it isn't quite powerful already)
20110610 19:06:08< VurtualRuler98> Could I throw together a TBS tactical game with a new UI?
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20110610 19:08:53< VurtualRuler98> That would probably mean new graphics, new everything, and that would be hard.
20110610 19:09:40< zookeeper> i fail to see the point of the discussion.
20110610 19:09:49< VurtualRuler98> honestly wondering
20110610 19:09:56< VurtualRuler98> I've never seen any mods that add new UI stuff
20110610 19:10:13< VurtualRuler98> Unless the UI could be built from scripts, and then sprite scale could be changed, then I'd totally try for at least five minutes.
20110610 19:12:38< zaroth> if you help mordante finish and polish the various ambitious gui2 projects, I think what you describe will be quite possible ;-)
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