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20110625 00:38:10< matthewt> hi, why do i get 'out of sync' errors when playing multiplayer?
20110625 00:38:33< matthewt> and does it matter
20110625 00:38:43< zookeeper> you could get them for a number of reasons
20110625 00:39:16< zookeeper> and usually they do matter, making continuing the game essentially pointless, but sometimes they can be harmless
20110625 00:39:40< shadowmaster> matthewt: if you are playing with add-on eras it could be that you have a different version installed than that of the game host or other players in the same game
20110625 00:40:11< matthewt> hm i'm the host. been getting this error all evening but didn't have this problem this morning
20110625 00:40:27< zookeeper> or someone could be trying to cheat, or the add-on era/scenario you're playing could be coded badly
20110625 00:41:21< shadowmaster> the above applies if you are the host and your players are using a different version of the add-on era too.
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20110625 00:44:24< matthewt> we're just playing isar's cross
20110625 00:44:47< zookeeper> when do you get them?
20110625 00:45:01< zookeeper> like, do you get them when you/someone moves a unit, or when a unit advances, or..?
20110625 00:47:31< matthewt> i can't see any pattern
20110625 00:48:11< zookeeper> a cause which used to be quite common was that one player had installed an era which modified a core unit's xp requirements or advancement options, resulting in units advancing differently for some players, leading to OOS errors
20110625 00:48:44< matthewt> ok.. 
20110625 00:48:45< matthewt> thanks
20110625 00:48:58< matthewt> nothing i can do about it then :)
20110625 00:49:00< zookeeper> well, you can save the game and resume from it, which should put everyone back in sync
20110625 00:49:41< zookeeper> save the game -> create a new game and load the save -> have everyone rejoin
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20110625 01:41:38< VurtualRuler98> wait, you trust the client for that?
20110625 01:47:23< zookeeper> ?
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20110625 08:32:43< enchilado> Now that's what I call some nice art: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=33924
20110625 08:36:55< enchilado> I can understand people not having any artistic talent, but surely they must be able to look at what they've drawn and realise that it's... well... not any good?
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20110625 09:33:39< Ivanovic> moin
20110625 09:40:03< enchilado> moin
20110625 09:42:57< joo> moining.
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20110625 09:45:17< joo> enchilado: have you seen the screenshots of early versions of BfW?
20110625 09:48:55< enchilado> joo: Some :S
20110625 09:49:30< joo> Would you have played BfW then, or dismissed it as "not any good"?
20110625 09:50:20< enchilado> If the gameplay was as good I would have played it. I don't mind playing games with bad graphics.
20110625 09:50:45< enchilado> I don't mean to be rude, it just puzzles me that some people can't judge their own art well.
20110625 09:50:59< joo> I wouldn't think so much of my own opinion
20110625 09:51:13< joo> If someone wants to think their own art is good, I don't see what harm it does
20110625 09:51:31< joo> After all, different people have different aesthetics
20110625 09:51:51< enchilado> It does no harm, and that's true
20110625 09:54:35< enchilado> Hmm, this hasn't been updated in a while: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2014 ... is there something more recent?
20110625 09:55:01< enchilado> I seem to recall someone telling me that standing animations were required... I made a start on a footpad one but soon got tired of it :\
20110625 09:55:19< enchilado> Also this thread says that the Footpad line is going to get new base frames - but has it got new ones since that was posted? Or does it still need them?
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20110625 10:20:28< enchilado> Er, what? "OMG - Oh My G**
20110625 10:20:36< enchilado> Why is God censored? :\
20110625 10:21:23< enchilado> (from the wiki page on "Wesnoth Acronyms")
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20110625 10:43:50< joo> enchilado: hahahaha
20110625 10:43:59< joo> Some overly sensitive religious person must have done that
20110625 10:44:13< joo> I would just edit it.
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20110625 10:54:51< enchilado> Hmm, actually, I suppose I could do some Khalifate attack animations
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20110625 11:03:08 * enchilado wonders how to work out which Khalifate base frames still need revising
20110625 11:05:03< zookeeper> i thought they were all finalized. but you can find the relevant art thread on the forums and look/ask there.
20110625 11:06:16< enchilado> Well, I was thinking of trying some attack animations, and then I looked in the Khalifate art thread and the most recent posts didn't seem to indicate that they were all finished.
20110625 11:07:19< zookeeper> right. well, i guess i don't care quite enough to stay up-to-date on that.
20110625 11:07:56< enchilado> Well, you're more likely to be right than I am.
20110625 11:09:27< enchilado> Under data/core/images/units/ there's human-loyalists, human-magi, human-outlaws, human-peasants and khalifate... but aren't Khalifate human?
20110625 11:11:11< zookeeper> yes
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20110625 11:28:21< enchilado> I really need more practise with animations.
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20110625 14:56:22< enchilado> Lesbian elves? I like this WTactics thing
20110625 15:04:22< zookeeper> always nice to hear about the sexual preferences of random internet people. want to tell more?
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20110625 15:08:45< enchilado> zookeeper: all straight men (and lesbians, I suppose) find lesbians attractive
20110625 15:09:54< zookeeper> fascinating.
20110625 15:10:40< enchilado> zookeeper: I can tell you're enthralled
20110625 15:14:01< enchilado> zookeeper: so, what's up around here?
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20110625 16:08:33< zaroth> someone taking part in mini ludum dare #27?
20110625 16:08:55< zaroth> I really look forward to playing games with focus on dialogue :-)
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20110625 16:14:53< enchilado> maybe if I could code :P
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20110625 16:32:40< zaroth> enchilado: with renpy you can create visual novel-type games with almost no coding skills whatsoever
20110625 16:32:51< zaroth> the only skills needed are nice story idea and drawing skills
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20110625 22:23:55< Crendgrim> Gambit: I know you want to remove some stickies, but I really think this thread deserves to be stickified: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=34201
20110625 22:31:20< dougmencken> guys, what does "unknown unit type: "?" mean (on network game join)?
20110625 22:31:53< Crendgrim> dougmencken: probably that you don't have the right era installed ..
20110625 22:32:03< dougmencken> also, non-critical (but boring): Failed opening font file 'Junicode-Regular.ttf': No such file or director
20110625 22:32:25< dougmencken> Crendgrim: I do; I was the game hoster
20110625 22:32:35< dougmencken> yeah, it was Default + Khaifate
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20110625 22:33:27< Crendgrim> uhm. bad guess
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20110625 22:33:43< Crendgrim> yes, that Junicode-message I also get each time I start Wesnoth
20110625 22:34:11< Crendgrim> IIRC that was something with chinese chars or so, so it shouldn't bother you if you don't want to use those languages
20110625 22:34:20< Crendgrim> (but I could be totally wrong there..)
20110625 22:35:47< dougmencken> ogg123 /usr/share/wesnoth/data/core/music/siege_of_laurelmor.ogg # ;)
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20110625 22:51:31< Soliton> presumably the scenario expected you to have certain units/play with a certain era.
20110625 22:52:17< Soliton> what unit type was unknown anyway?
20110625 22:55:37< dougmencken> Soliton: all I know is that I was Rebels (with White Mage boss), and my opponent was Khalifate guy
20110625 22:55:55< dougmencken> Soliton: wesnoth didn't printed anything, even to tty
20110625 22:56:21< dougmencken> it's all about 1.9.7, of course
20110625 22:57:34< Soliton> do you have the khalifate era from addons installed or just stock khalifate from 1.9.7?
20110625 22:58:44< dougmencken> Soliton: I started random map, 1v1, 20x28, 5 cells... no add-ons
20110625 22:58:50< Soliton> doesn't look like wesnoth has an "unknown unit type:" without giving the unknown unit type/id.
20110625 22:59:07< dougmencken> Soliton: I do remember, there was "?" sign
20110625 22:59:23< dougmencken> i.e. in error dialog: "unknown unit type: ?"
20110625 22:59:27< Soliton> hmm, i see.
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20110625 23:02:47< Soliton> dougmencken: if you can reproduce please report at bugs.wesnoth.org. maybe with an autosave if there is/was one.
20110625 23:05:46< dougmencken> btw, where are game replays stored?
20110625 23:05:54< dougmencken> (online ones, of course)
20110625 23:06:28< Soliton> same place as savegames. infact savegames can act as replays as well.
20110625 23:08:31< dougmencken> I do mean public saves, on "official" server... I do remember they are stored somewhere on-line; also, I can't find local saves; ~/.wesnoth- are only 1.6 and 1.8
20110625 23:09:53< Soliton> it's in ~/.config or so nowadays, i think.
20110625 23:10:27< Soliton> server side replays are at replays.wesnoth.org.
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20110625 23:13:56< dougmencken> Soliton: ah, can't find that failed game (it was before game started anyway)... I do hope it was just a random error
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20110625 23:14:35< dougmencken> the 2nd game was okay, btw
20110625 23:18:51< Soliton> it was without khalifate though.
20110625 23:19:48< dougmencken> yeah, elves vs knights
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20110625 23:22:30< Soliton> hmm, the leader of your opponent had type="?" for some reason.
20110625 23:23:18< Soliton> (Random_map_(Desert)_Turn_1_(191).gz was your game)
20110625 23:23:36< dougmencken> Soliton: yeah!
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20110625 23:31:09< Soliton> no other recent replay has that though.
20110625 23:31:38< dougmencken_> Soliton: yes, that was my game
20110625 23:31:46< dougmencken_> got this in terminal logs: 20110625 05:03:06 error general: Error while playing the game: game_error: unknown unit type: ?
20110625 23:32:05< dougmencken_> maybe my opponent did some "custom build"? i.e. changed something in sources?
20110625 23:33:33< Soliton> i think just the host could influence that.
20110625 23:33:52< dougmencken_> host was me...
20110625 23:38:14< dougmencken_> the last chance: big-endian vs little-endian (I'm on BE machine)
20110625 23:39:11< dougmencken_> okay, I'll try to re-produce it by asking some guy to chose Khalifate side
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