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20110626 02:08:13< enchilado> Ooh, that's a good idea. Make Wesnoth less random :P
20110626 02:09:15< enchilado> Wesnoth was meant to be a chess clone but accidentally incorporated randomisation
20110626 02:12:15 * Gambit 's finger hovers over shiny red button with the glass cover removed
20110626 02:12:41< Gambit> shadowmaster: Insert your key. We'll turn them on the count of three
20110626 02:31:25< enchilado> Gambit: I always lose because I miss and my opponent hits; randomisation is really unbalanced
20110626 02:32:00< enchilado> Just like Settlers of Catan - my numbers never come up in that
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20110626 02:43:25< Gambit> enchilado: I doubt this highly
20110626 02:45:43< enchilado> Gambit: ;D
20110626 02:47:31< enchilado> Gambit: I want to contribute art but I'm very indecisive. I need someone to tell me what to draw. Should I ask Jetryl to give me a task?
20110626 02:47:52< Gambit> There's a todo list somewhere. Just a moment I
20110626 02:47:55< Gambit> 'll look for it
20110626 02:48:04< Gambit> What are you looking to do? Sprites? Portraits?
20110626 02:48:25< Gambit> enchilado: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2014
20110626 02:48:32< Gambit> A compilation of all the different todo lists.
20110626 02:51:55< enchilado> Gambit: sprites. Hmm... I saw that, but the last post is more than a year old, so some of those things have likely been done.
20110626 02:52:25< Gambit> Well I know we still need all the north facing animations
20110626 02:52:55< Gambit> enchilado: If you're going to ask, do it here: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewforum.php?f=9
20110626 02:53:45< enchilado> "The Poacher and Footpad line are getting new base frames"... the Poachers did, but did the Footpads? And okay.
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20110626 12:22:04< Zer0Signal> Hello, is there a mod for wenoth that changes the xp system? I love the game but I dislike the way you need to nurse units.
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20110626 12:28:38< zaroth> Zer0Signal: there are a few mods changing the xp system in way or another
20110626 12:29:34< Zer0Signal> have you got a link to some examples?
20110626 12:29:54< zaroth> although I don't know how would one design a XP system that would remove the need for "nursing" - probably it would be best achieved with no XP system whatsoever ;-)
20110626 12:30:19< zaroth> or do you have an idea for such a system?
20110626 12:31:06< zaroth> not to search very far, "XP era" changes the behavior of xp system a bit
20110626 12:31:41< zaroth> "Era of High Sorcery" significantly changes experience system of leaders iirc
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20110626 12:32:05< Zer0Signal> I know how I would like it done :) Instead of units accumulating xp for actions during a scenario, your lead characters (the ones that cant be killed or you lose) get xp (perhaps modified by how well you complete the scenario) and can use this to level up along a path of their chosing. through this you get access to the different veteran units, etc
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20110626 12:32:48< zaroth> ah, nice idea indeed. I haven't heard of such an add-on, though
20110626 12:33:18< zaroth> but it definitely can be done in WML/Lua already :-)
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20110626 12:34:33< Zer0Signal> to be honest, any system that stopped nursing units being effective would do. i find it frustrating knowing that to play optimally and to have the best advantage in future scenarios you have to muck around making sure your key units get the xp they need and dont die.
20110626 12:35:25< Zer0Signal> id rather just focus on winning the scenario at hand in the most efficient way possible and not have to worry about nursing my special units
20110626 12:36:57< zaroth> if you don't mind, I'll put this idea into my notebook of ideas which will be hopefully used to create a "complete wesnoth overhaul" mod by me one day :-)
20110626 12:37:09< Zer0Signal> sure go ahead :)
20110626 12:37:13< zaroth> it fits quite nicely with the concepts I already have there
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20110626 12:38:37< Zer0Signal> the system used in dawn of war 2 is sort of along those lines and i think it works quite well.
20110626 12:39:03< zaroth> yes, I also played a few games with this system, but just never noticed it could be applied to wesnoth as well
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20110626 12:40:05< zaroth> disabling experience points for units and their advancements, just like that :D
20110626 12:40:37< Zer0Signal> it would make campaign design easier i think also. you know a player will be rough x level at a given scenario and can set the difficulty accordingly.
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20110626 12:41:38< enchilado> Seems to me an awful lot of people confuse a unit's defense with a unit's accuracy...
20110626 12:42:03< enchilado> I seem to recall I did... I think my brother did...
20110626 12:42:34< enchilado> What about the word 'defense' under the percentage in tiny letters?
20110626 12:43:18< zaroth> enchilado: how about playing wesnoth tutorial first? I'm fairly sure it is described and named there
20110626 12:43:34< zaroth> it seems a good idea to teach it once instead of cluttering interface permamently
20110626 12:44:09< enchilado> I did say 'tiny'. But yeah, I guess either they didn't play it or they didn't read anything if they did...
20110626 12:44:21< enchilado> I don't think I played it :D
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20110626 12:45:33< enchilado> Mhm, Wesnoth would be boring as heck without any randomnessness
20110626 12:45:58< enchilado> You need to evaluate your chances... that's the whole point... to determine if the risk is worth taking
20110626 12:46:30< enchilado> Well, okay, not the _whole_ point... but a reasonable part of it
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20110626 12:49:29< zaroth> enchilado: I don't think it would be boring, it would be just a different game, which also could be made awesome if enough time and love were put into it
20110626 12:49:51< zaroth> (and of course, there would be haters saying "more luck!")
20110626 12:51:36< enchilado> Haters gonna hate
20110626 12:52:14< enchilado> Without luck, a LOT of changes would need to happen, and by the time you'd finished it wouldn't be BfW any more
20110626 12:52:24< enchilado> (and I mean AT ALL)
20110626 12:53:04< enchilado> Obviously there are games without luck that aren't boring, but simply removing the luck factor from Wesnoth would be
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