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20110702 01:19:39< enchilado> Pretty much my first time trying to draw a wesnoth unit and it's _not_ going well. Can anyone help by telling me... well, for a start, what I've done _right_? http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/816/royalguardm.png
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20110702 01:29:06< zookeeper> enchilado, well, you started by blocking out the general shape first. which, i suppose, is a good idea.
20110702 01:31:14< enchilado> Well, yes, but the general shape isn't too good :P
20110702 01:32:27< enchilado> He looks like a half-smurf half-mutant frog wearing bent tin armour
20110702 01:32:33< zookeeper> i've seen much worse but yes, i'm not going to say it's really good either ;)
20110702 01:33:04< zookeeper> the shape and size of the torso looks ok, but the wrists are positioned funny and he has frog legs and a tilted head for no obvious reason
20110702 01:33:14< zookeeper> and it looks like he has a lance for a weapon
20110702 01:34:06< enchilado> I find legs insanely difficult, but I'll keep trying... and yeah, I see what you mean about the wrists
20110702 01:34:46< enchilado> Not sure why I tilted the head... and the sword is definitely too thick. Oh well, I'll work on it :]
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20110702 01:42:12< enchilado> Oh well, got to go for now. Thanks for your comments =]
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20110702 04:26:58< enchilado> Hmmm: http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/7767/royalguardface.png
20110702 04:28:45< enchilado> (that's just placeholder shading; I'm still working on the shape)
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20110702 05:18:54< enchilado> Legs suck, so I started improving the shading (a little): http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2363/royalguardie.png
20110702 05:21:04< enchilado> Should I post it on the forums? If so, where? Anyone? :/
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20110702 05:33:22< enchilado> Well, as I said, my first time doing a Wesnoth unit. If anyone has any advice on drawing in the Wesnoth style (or just advice on drawing in general, or, well, just general advice) I would appreciate it. BBL.
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20110702 06:07:36< CIA-85> tschmitz * r50112 /trunk/src/ (15 files in 2 dirs): Cleaned up some bugs from original whiteboard network patch (r50098).
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20110702 06:23:54< beetlenaut> enchilado: Post in the Art Workshop on the forums. You will get plenty of advice there.
20110702 06:25:49< enchilado> beetlenaut: okay... in a new thread?
20110702 06:26:31< beetlenaut> Yeah. Make a thread to hold all your artwork.
20110702 06:28:55< enchilado> beetlenaut: okay, thanks. I'll call it Enchilado Attempts Art. :/
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20110702 10:52:06< cjhopman> mordante: Is there a way to have a click outside of a dialog dismiss the dialog? (While clicks inside don't dismiss it)
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20110702 12:11:00< fstltna> Does regular wesnoth use pvrtc textures?
20110702 12:12:24< Ivanovic> fstltna: what are pvrtc textures?
20110702 12:12:33< Ivanovic> regular wesnoth is based on plain libsdl
20110702 12:12:44< Ivanovic> and uses whatever libsdl uses to display plain images
20110702 12:13:36< fstltna> It is a texture format usually used with hardware supported mappers
20110702 12:13:38< fstltna> Ok
20110702 12:13:47< fstltna> Probably not then
20110702 12:14:05< Ivanovic> most likely not
20110702 12:14:22< Ivanovic> though eg boucman should know for sure
20110702 12:14:27< fstltna> 
20110702 12:14:47< fstltna> It is another Kyle issue
20110702 12:14:59< fstltna> Very frustrating lol
20110702 12:15:23< Ivanovic> as already mentioned before, the ios port is not very usable and most likely a bad place to start
20110702 12:15:32< fstltna> For sure
20110702 12:16:17< Ivanovic> to which device are you currently trying to port wesnoth?
20110702 12:16:22< fstltna> I have been working on it for about q year now, and only just getting the code changes working
20110702 12:16:48< fstltna> Not trying to port it, recreating a steampunk version for iOS
20110702 12:16:54< Ivanovic> ah
20110702 12:17:34< boucman> never heard of pvrtc...
20110702 12:17:51< fstltna> Just now getting in-app purchases working so people can easily find and install new campaigns, including for free ones
20110702 12:18:20< fstltna> Pvrtc is a format usually used with 3d texture mapping
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20110702 12:20:30< fstltna> It's reasonable for him to use it, as the files are much smaller, but I am having coe
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20110702 12:20:46< chrisoelmueller> Ivanovic: short question about optiPNG, have you ever seen it used in a git project?
20110702 12:20:49< fstltna> Corruption and need some pointers
20110702 12:21:07< chrisoelmueller> for UH it would save about 1'700kiB at >5'000 files where git stores all the files as binary though and thus would put a whole new version in the history
20110702 12:21:11< Ivanovic> chrisoelmueller: i don't really understand the question
20110702 12:21:21< chrisoelmueller> svn tracks binaries differently, that is
20110702 12:21:40< Ivanovic> hmm, i assume that for recompressed images svn basically has to store the same version twice, too
20110702 12:22:17< Ivanovic> that is: there are some wesnoth devs actually using git-svn for their wesnoth work
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20110702 12:26:17< chrisoelmueller> hm, then I wonder if the space gain is actually worth the hassle
20110702 12:26:26< chrisoelmueller> how often are your files updated, on average?
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20110702 12:36:11< Ivanovic> depends on the files
20110702 12:36:20< Ivanovic> there are no estimates available, really
20110702 12:36:37< Ivanovic> the main difference is that those KB saved are KB saved for the restul
20110702 12:36:46< Ivanovic> s/restul/resulting tarball
20110702 12:39:10< chrisoelmueller> hm I see
20110702 12:41:20< chrisoelmueller> I guess I'll introduce the option to the team and wait for more opinions. out tarball right now, without optimization, weighs 87MiB for gzip
20110702 12:41:46< chrisoelmueller> thanks for your script though, came in very handy when testing =)
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20110702 12:47:24< enchilado> Sooo... what should I fix next? http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/910/royalguardish.png
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20110702 12:49:27< zookeeper> enchilado, the shield
20110702 12:50:00< zookeeper> it has very jaggy edges, so look at some shields of core units to see how their edges are coloured
20110702 12:50:43< zookeeper> (and it's probably better to either make it perfectly vertical or put it at a greater angle, since very slight angles are difficult to do without clear jaggies))
20110702 12:51:59< enchilado> zookeeper: yeah, I haven't done anything with the shield in ages
20110702 12:52:14< enchilado> I was just saying to brother that I need to work on it :S
20110702 12:52:21< enchilado> zookeeper: what do you think of the rest?
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20110702 13:10:33< enchilado> Hmm, I hadn't seen such a large picture of him: is that black paint on his helmet? http://mproud.com/wesnoth/bestiary/#royal_guard
20110702 13:35:36< Sytyi> wesbot: seen mordante
20110702 13:35:36< wesbot> Sytyi: The person with the nick mordante last spoke 1d 14h ago.  16h 18m ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-de with the message: Remote host closed the connection
20110702 13:37:26< Sytyi> mordante: A few design questions. Can I write Validator as a stand alone tool for first steps to make debugging easier. When validation become working - then I will add it to mainstream.
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20110702 13:39:33< Sytyi> mordante: Second: Schould I validate the already read config object, or my validation schould be inside reading config file?
20110702 13:42:08< Sytyi> mordante: Can you give me an advice: I have class tag.cpp in schema_generator, what will be better for reading schema config task: write my own in validator , extend existing, or inheritate existing. I prefer either third or second, but want to know your point of view. Hope to see you this evening. Thanks. 
20110702 13:46:26< enchilado> So... I know TC should be done in magenta, but... looking at existing units, the Hue and Saturation both vary... so by what is the magenta recognised?
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20110702 13:54:06< zookeeper> enchilado, no, they don't vary
20110702 13:54:33< zookeeper> you can sample the colours from images/tools/magenta_team_color_palette.png
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20110702 14:25:57< enchilado> zookeeper: ah, I see... I thought it would just dye all colours with the same Hue or something. Well, I was sampling colours from another unit... they're probably correct :S
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20110702 14:49:44< zookeeper> enchilado, yes, they are
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20110702 17:10:37< boucman> Espreon: ping
20110702 17:10:40< boucman> zaroth: ping
20110702 17:11:18< zaroth> boucman: I'm here, but I was just leaving
20110702 17:11:24< zaroth> something urgent? I'll be back in two hours
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20110702 17:13:24< boucman> nope, see you then
20110702 17:13:33< zaroth> see you
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20110702 17:57:56< Espreon> boucman: Pong.
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20110702 18:05:22< Espreon> boucman: Well, I'll be back later....
20110702 18:06:37< timotei> anonymissimus: I'm uploading the new VC9 archive that contains the openmp dll :D
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20110702 18:24:10< boucman> Espreon: and i'm back :P
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20110702 19:14:34< Espreon> boucman: And so am I.
20110702 19:15:16< boucman> yay
20110702 19:15:23< boucman> so, how do I reproduce your bug :)
20110702 19:15:27< boucman> do I need to DL a mod ?
20110702 19:15:41< Espreon> Yes, you need to download an era.
20110702 19:15:54< Espreon> boucman: Hold on.
20110702 19:16:30< Espreon> boucman: To get it, run: svn co https://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sf.net/svnroot/wesnoth-umc-dev/trunk/Era_of_Magic
20110702 19:18:15< boucman> dl-ing...
20110702 19:22:14< Espreon> boucman: Once you have downloaded it, just start a local MP game with the era. Play with Barbarians. Recruit Roc Riders till you notice... the problem.
20110702 19:22:35< boucman> hmm
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20110702 19:34:51< boucman> that is a cool recruit anim :)
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20110702 19:35:27< Espreon> boucman: Yup.
20110702 19:35:38< Espreon> boucman: Did you see... the problem yet?
20110702 19:35:41< boucman> so far i've recruited 4 and all is fine...
20110702 19:35:47< boucman> they came from both side ok
20110702 19:35:51< boucman> i'll recruit some more
20110702 19:36:50< Espreon> Yeah, it can take a bit.
20110702 19:36:54< boucman> 8 and no problem
20110702 19:37:39< boucman> what should I be looking for ?
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20110702 19:38:53< Espreon> boucman: An inverted flying animation.
20110702 19:39:28< Espreon> boucman: For it to occur, the unit that is being recruited must be destined to face southwest.
20110702 19:39:38< Espreon> ... during the recruiting.
20110702 19:39:41< boucman> hmm
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20110702 19:44:48< Espreon> boucman: Getting anything?
20110702 19:45:59< boucman> ok, got it once out of 15 :P
20110702 19:46:32< Espreon> Well, it has to be facing sw by the engine's viewpoint; not from your viewpoint.
20110702 19:47:31< boucman> why are you using haloes instead of normal anims ?
20110702 19:47:40< Espreon> Dunno. Ask inferno8.
20110702 19:47:44< boucman> hmm
20110702 19:48:05< Espreon> The point is that this problem affects other halos... and I want it to be smitten.
20110702 19:48:08< boucman> you should be using normal anims as much as possible, there is no remaining reasons not to afaik
20110702 19:48:15< Espreon> I've seen it affect the Saurian attack/healing halos.
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20110702 19:48:59< boucman> problem is haloes orientation does work in weird ways because of backward compatibility reasons, so I can't make it work "as expected" without breaking lot of stuff
20110702 19:49:14< boucman> which is the reason why I tend to push people to drop haloes as much as possible
20110702 19:49:32< Espreon> Uh, fix it and make an annoucement.
20110702 19:52:35< Espreon> boucman: Lemme guess, you're not going to do that... right?
20110702 19:52:55< boucman> i'm cautious... i'd like to understand what's going on first
20110702 19:53:48< boucman> are haloes suppose to flip vertically ? the answer is "it depends" currently they do, and the question is "what do I break by changing that"
20110702 19:54:16< boucman> this is not an issue with animations where vertical flipping is documented (no, unless you set a specific param IIRC)
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20110702 20:06:19< CIA-85> loonycyborg * r50113 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
20110702 20:06:19< CIA-85> GUI2 network transmission dialog improvements:
20110702 20:06:19< CIA-85> Added feedback on whether it's connecting/downloading and
20110702 20:06:19< CIA-85> made strings translatable.
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20110702 20:39:31< boucman> Espreon: my problem is i'm not sure what would be the logical thing to do for haloes
20110702 20:39:55< boucman> I kind of believe that they shouldswitch horizontally but not vertically by default
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20110702 20:46:13< boucman> ok, I think I have found something... let me test
20110702 20:49:54< Espreon> OK, cool.
20110702 20:57:09< CIA-85> boucman * r50114 /trunk/src/unit_frame.cpp: fix a problem with halo flipping when the haloes were facing south-west thx to Espreon for reporting it
20110702 20:57:34< boucman> Espreon: ok, it was a bug, the haloes are ery special, but they still didn't act as the should have :P
20110702 20:57:40< Espreon> Oh, goodie. Thanks.
20110702 20:57:51< boucman> please test and confirm i'm good, but it should be ok
20110702 20:58:48< Espreon> OK.
20110702 21:02:05< Espreon> boucman: OK, it seems you got it.
20110702 21:02:37< boucman> great :)
20110702 21:02:44< boucman> thx for insisting that I fix it :)
20110702 21:03:41< Espreon> No prob!
20110702 21:03:53< Espreon> Thanks again.
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20110702 21:25:14< Espreon> Should textdomain bindings not being on the first line of a file cause problems?
20110702 21:25:39< Espreon> Because in a unit file, the binding wasn't on the first line, and it resulted in the translations for the unit's name not showing up.
20110702 21:26:21< Espreon> The binding was before the [unit_type] codeblock, though.
20110702 21:27:06< Espreon> *above the
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20110702 21:31:26< shadowmaster> no, they shouldn't
20110702 21:33:53< Espreon> I guess I'll file a bug after dealing with some stuff.
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