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20110714 00:45:13< boucman> night all
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20110714 05:53:46< cjhopman> tschmitz: I really don't think that the original is by me.
20110714 05:55:28< tschmitz> cjhopman: That's what anonymissimus and Nephro told me
20110714 05:55:58< tschmitz> I don't know
20110714 05:55:58< tschmitz> I didn't mean to, er
20110714 05:56:48< tschmitz> They called it "cjhopman's program"
20110714 05:57:14< tschmitz> so I just used that name for it
20110714 05:57:16< cjhopman> hm, odd
20110714 05:58:11< tschmitz> The program was a little C++ snippet that tested out a possibility for implementing the "less luck" era? and printed some statistics about it
20110714 05:59:07< cjhopman> huh, maybe that was me
20110714 05:59:36< cjhopman> I took a look at the code and it seemed vaguely familiar
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20110714 06:02:10< cjhopman> that and the FV macro is definitely my style for a snippet like that
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20110714 07:23:49< tschmitz> eval submitted
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20110714 07:26:15< tschmitz> Ivanovic: There's only just the one eval I have to do right? Not two or some other non-1 number?
20110714 07:36:49< CIA-85> tschmitz * r50296 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixed whiteboard issue with resetting movement points.
20110714 07:39:05< CIA-85> tschmitz * r50297 /trunk/src/whiteboard/ (4 files): Made allies' whiteboard plans highlightable.
20110714 07:39:16< CIA-85> tschmitz * r50298 /trunk/src/whiteboard/manager.cpp: Got rid of annoying debug statements.
20110714 07:39:20< CIA-85> espreon * r50299 /trunk/doc/manual/images/ru/ (6 files): Ran umcpropfix.
20110714 07:39:34< CIA-85> tschmitz * r50300 /trunk/src/whiteboard/validate_visitor.cpp: 
20110714 07:39:34< CIA-85> Oops.
20110714 07:39:34< CIA-85> That was unnecessary because set_route() does it already.
20110714 07:42:20< tschmitz> Espreon: You must be around, right?
20110714 07:44:28< tschmitz> 'parently not.
20110714 07:49:24< Espreon> tschmitz: No, I am.
20110714 07:50:28< tschmitz> Espreon: I was just curious about why Wesnoth uses WML instead of XML, and thought I might ask you
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20110714 07:51:26< Espreon> Eh, I can't really answer that question well.
20110714 07:51:33< Espreon> Why?
20110714 07:51:41< tschmitz> Like I said, I was just curious;
20110714 07:51:51< tschmitz> as far as I can tell, they contain exactly the same information
20110714 08:03:27< zookeeper> tschmitz, try this: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=21065#p295012
20110714 08:04:10< tschmitz> zookeeper: Cool I'll read it
20110714 08:09:11< Espreon> Ah, now I remember the WML–Lua flamewar thing.
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20110714 08:38:20< neph> wesbot, seen crab_
20110714 08:38:20< wesbot> neph: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 1d 8h ago.  1d 3h ago they left with the message: Client Quit
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20110714 08:56:01< tschmitz> zookeeper: That thread you linked is pretty funny
20110714 08:56:43< tschmitz> but Dave makes his list of reasons in there
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20110714 09:09:08< Espreon> timotei: Around?
20110714 09:14:01< Espreon> timotei: Eh, never mind.
20110714 09:14:15< timotei> Espreon: sorry, was afk :P
20110714 09:15:05< Espreon> Unless you are willing to grab some mo files, don't worry.
20110714 09:15:34< timotei> ah. I don't use the translations at all :P
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20110714 09:16:34< Espreon> Well, I just wanted to see if language switching worked well in wesnoth builds compiled with VC.
20110714 09:17:02< timotei> hold on
20110714 09:17:58< timotei> it doesn't change any grammar if I select another one from the Languages menu
20110714 09:18:03< timotei> isn't that because there is no mo compiled?
20110714 09:18:49< Espreon> Yeah, if you have no mo files, it can't translate stuff.
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20110714 09:23:54< Espreon> timotei: Just copy the translations/ directory from a devel download.
20110714 09:25:16< timotei> weird
20110714 09:25:23< timotei> it still doesn't work :P
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20110714 09:27:16< Ivanovic> moin
20110714 09:27:27< Ivanovic> tschmitz: at mid term you only have to do this one eval
20110714 09:27:36< Ivanovic> at the end of gsoc there is another eval to be done
20110714 09:29:03< tschmitz> Ivanovic: Thanks
20110714 09:32:58< Espreon> timotei: Try Spanish.
20110714 09:33:33< tschmitz> 'night, all
20110714 09:33:43< timotei> night tschmitz 
20110714 09:34:12< timotei> Espreon: I don't have any Spanish in the list
20110714 09:34:42< Espreon> timotei: Español
20110714 09:34:52< timotei> ah. yeah Espanol :))
20110714 09:35:06< timotei> nothing. No language works
20110714 09:35:15< timotei> it's just plain english as there was no translations/ directory..
20110714 09:35:31< timotei> maybe the mo's create by GCC are not compatbile with VC?:-/
20110714 09:35:34< Espreon> So, you have a translations/ directory in the root of your build's directory?
20110714 09:35:43< Espreon> mo files aren't created by gcc.
20110714 09:35:50< Espreon> They are created by msgfmt
20110714 09:36:34< Espreon> timotei: Try F5.
20110714 09:36:37< Espreon> Anything?
20110714 09:36:45< Espreon> If not, quit and start your build again.
20110714 09:43:04< timotei> I've restarted wesnoth again 
20110714 09:43:07< timotei> F5 didn't do it :)
20110714 09:44:12< Espreon> Are you sure when you build the game with VC, it compiles all the translation-related stuff?
20110714 09:44:29< timotei> I compile just src/
20110714 09:44:33< timotei> nothing more
20110714 09:44:44< Espreon> So, you don't have it exclude or disable anything?
20110714 09:44:57< timotei> I don't think so
20110714 09:45:02< timotei> it's plain compiling the source code :P
20110714 09:45:14< Espreon> OK.
20110714 09:45:31< Espreon> So, in your translations directory, you see a bunch of directories with lang codes for names, right?
20110714 09:45:39< timotei> yep
20110714 09:45:41< timotei> I've copied them from
20110714 09:45:45< timotei> 1.9.4 release
20110714 09:45:52< Espreon> Try going into es/LC_MESSAGES
20110714 09:46:02< Espreon> You see mo files, right?
20110714 09:46:07< timotei> Yes..
20110714 09:46:10< Espreon> Hmmm...
20110714 09:46:47< Espreon> Well, it seems that if the game is not compiled with gcc, language switching sucks.
20110714 09:46:56< Espreon> Mac OS X has problems with language switching too.
20110714 09:47:02< Espreon> But it can at least switch languages.
20110714 09:48:04< timotei> IDK why would that happen
20110714 09:48:20< Espreon> Who knows?
20110714 09:48:21< timotei> brb
20110714 09:54:31< timotei> back
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20110714 15:52:09< CIA-85> espreon * r50301 /trunk/po/ (8 files in 8 dirs): Updated the Old English translation.
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20110714 17:29:36< timotei> could anyone who has a LaTeX environment test the: `make manual" command in the trunk/utils/umc_dev directory?
20110714 17:29:50< timotei> and tell me if the dev_manual.pdf and user_manual.pdf spawned, and are *not* empty?
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20110714 17:32:38< timotei> the latex environment is texlive iirc
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20110714 17:56:53< shadowmaster> esr: please don't forget to check https://gna.org/patch/?2666 which is assigned to you since May
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20110714 18:20:09< fendrin> hi noy
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20110714 18:58:56< anonymissimus> Espreon: ,  timotei : yes, changing the language is not *visible* in a MSVC binary for me to, but it IS changed if I do it there, wesnoth just doesn't react to the setting; the g++ win build however does, even when I set in in the MSVC built
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20110714 18:59:36< anonymissimus> the language the MSVC seems to stick to seems the system default (not even English)
20110714 19:00:19< anonymissimus> no idea since when this is present, quite possible I did never notice
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20110714 19:14:52< timotei> anonymissimus: "but it IS changed if I do it ther"???
20110714 19:15:01< timotei> ah. it is changed in the file
20110714 19:15:02< timotei> :P
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20110714 19:39:32< Espreon> anonymissimus: Hmmmm... well... that's quite a problem.
20110714 19:40:20< Espreon> There are also issues with language switching on Max OS X, but you can at least get the translations to show up.
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20110714 19:55:29< anonymissimus> Espreon: , timotei : well it obviously "works" to switsch teh language, that is, it must be saved somewhere (in teh pregerences file etc) what lnaguage I have set
20110714 19:55:49< anonymissimus> switching works with both the MSVC and the g++ binary
20110714 19:56:11< anonymissimus> but in the MSVC binary only always German shows up
20110714 19:56:33< Espreon> So, you can only get English and German?
20110714 19:56:50< anonymissimus> no; in the MSVC binary I can get only German
20110714 19:56:53< Espreon> Wow.
20110714 19:57:05< anonymissimus> in the g++ binary I get what I set the lnaguage to like I should
20110714 19:57:21< anonymissimus> so it's not a win problem, it's an MSVC problem
20110714 19:59:26< anonymissimus> anway I was never much concerned about hte language; I tend to use English, it has the great advantage that you know the unit tape ids out of the top of your head
20110714 19:59:46< anonymissimus> instead of looking them up in the files each time
20110714 20:00:37< timotei> yeah
20110714 20:00:42< timotei> translations are useless
20110714 20:00:45< timotei> just my 2 cents
20110714 20:00:56< timotei> better use english
20110714 20:01:02< timotei> or chinesse as a worldwide language
20110714 20:01:50< anonymissimus> also, it has the general advantage that when you use English it's oftne much easier to find and follow the guides
20110714 20:02:27< anonymissimus> found by google, since most are English, so you don't need to guess what the word is called in your language
20110714 20:24:26< neph> I usually use english, cause translations often sound lame
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20110714 21:07:26< mordante> servus
20110714 21:07:38< timotei> hi mordante :)
20110714 21:07:44< mordante> hi timotei 
20110714 21:07:54< timotei> mordante: do you have 1 minute to test something? - since I know you can build latex documents :P
20110714 21:08:04< mordante> timotei, yes
20110714 21:08:15< timotei> mordante: could you please go into: trunk/utils/umc_dev
20110714 21:08:16< timotei> and:
20110714 21:08:19< timotei> `make manual"
20110714 21:08:31< timotei> <timotei> and tell me if the dev_manual.pdf and user_manual.pdf spawned, and are *not* empty?
20110714 21:08:39< mordante> deja vu, just read the same in he log ;-)
20110714 21:08:47< timotei> a
20110714 21:08:48< timotei> ok >P
20110714 21:08:50< timotei> :P*
20110714 21:10:21< mordante> need to update trunk first and seems to take a while 
20110714 21:10:29< timotei> ok
20110714 21:10:32< timotei> I'll wait :)
20110714 21:11:07< mordante> works
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20110714 21:11:27< timotei> fendrin: ^ so it's something from your... latex environment?
20110714 21:11:40< timotei> it's 2 already for who work. I don't know what to say
20110714 21:11:52< timotei> mordante: fendrin said it spawned the files but they are empty
20110714 21:11:56< timotei> dunno why though
20110714 21:12:02< mordante> timotei, of course you know that pdflatex might need several runs :-P
20110714 21:12:18< timotei> well... just in case of bibtex references, isn't it?
20110714 21:12:25< timotei> otherwise it's fine just once
20110714 21:12:46< timotei> afair
20110714 21:13:39< mordante> references might also take two runs
20110714 21:13:46< mordante> and the ToC is empty
20110714 21:13:57< timotei> ah
20110714 21:14:08< timotei> for me it worked that way :-?
20110714 21:14:13< timotei> maybe because I have run it before
20110714 21:15:24< mordante> odd, since you also insist on removing the aux files
20110714 21:15:42< mordante> if I run it manually I get a filled ToC
20110714 21:15:49< timotei> hmm
20110714 21:16:04< mordante> and the ToC also needs at least two runs
20110714 21:16:43< mordante> Sytyi, how are things going?
20110714 21:16:48< timotei> ah. you're right :P
20110714 21:17:11< Sytyi> mordante: hi
20110714 21:18:28< timotei> mordante: ok thanks for feedback :)
20110714 21:19:00< mordante> you're welcome
20110714 21:19:34< Sytyi> mordante: the things are going not bad. Just invented the decision of one probllem :-)
20110714 21:20:06< mordante> nice
20110714 21:20:16< Sytyi> mordante: I can pastebin you my changes to parser.cpp 
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20110714 21:20:26< mordante> yes please
20110714 21:20:55< Sytyi> or a patch
20110714 21:21:10< Sytyi> mordante: I have validated schema.cfg ! :-)
20110714 21:22:30< mordante> if you have a patch that's easier
20110714 21:22:36< mordante> cool :-)
20110714 21:24:26< Sytyi> mordante: http://pastebin.com/cZtiwpP
20110714 21:24:57< mordante> that doesn't work
20110714 21:25:59< Sytyi> mordante: Sorry, didnt noticed CAPTCHA http://pastebin.com/cZtiwpPd
20110714 21:27:19< Sytyi> mordante: the problem was next - Fuction validate() is calling each occasion of [/...] And in case of [tag] [/tag] [+tag] [/tag] the content will be validated twice and errors will be generated twice.
20110714 21:28:52< mordante> Sytyi, reading the patch
20110714 21:29:13< mordante> Sytyi, btw how are things going with documenting the general overview?
20110714 21:30:43< Sytyi> mordante: I dont know from what to begin :-[ 
20110714 21:32:43< mordante> Sytyi, what's the exact problem you're facing?
20110714 21:33:33< mordante> in your patch 94 at line you need three lines of code and the next loop again
20110714 21:33:54< mordante> somehow it feels a good candidate for a function which does it all
20110714 21:34:29< mordante> also maybe the class class_tag should have a ctor which takes a config
20110714 21:35:38< Sytyi> mordante: First - I make changes to tag.cpp every day. Few days ago I changed vector to map. But maybe the main problem is that I was too interested in creating validator. It was interesting to develop problem. Took all mind, etc. 
20110714 21:35:45< Sytyi> mordante: Noted.
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20110714 21:36:34< mordante> the idea of the high level overview is to document at a higher level
20110714 21:36:59< mordante> despite the fact that the tag class gets changed on a daily base its function doesn't change
20110714 21:37:25< mordante> so what its goal is should be documented and how its related to other classes
20110714 21:38:06< mordante> for example this page give a quick high-level view of doxygen
20110714 21:38:08< mordante> http://www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/arch.html
20110714 21:38:26< mordante> so when I start hacking doxygen I quickly find where to start to modify
20110714 21:38:42< Sytyi> mordante: I'm curious about your opinion of #include. I tried to save the original includes . 
20110714 21:38:43< mordante> I understand you like to get the code done and working
20110714 21:39:11< mordante> it's also very important, but this year for GSoC we really want to focus more on documentation
20110714 21:39:17< Sytyi> mordante: OK. Will force myself to documentation.
20110714 21:40:00< mordante> in general having such an overview makes it easier for yourself as well when you need to dive in the code later
20110714 21:40:38< mordante> what's the `state' of schema_validator if it can't read the schema
20110714 21:40:47< mordante> can the object still be used or not?
20110714 21:41:24< mordante> any specific #include in mind
20110714 21:41:55< mordante> also I see »using schema_generator::class_tag;« in serialization/validator.hpp
20110714 21:42:18< mordante> this is a no-go, there should not be a using directive in a header
20110714 21:42:26< mordante> especially not outside a class
20110714 21:42:54< mordante> in general using directives should be used carefully
20110714 21:43:16< mordante> they often pull too much in a namespace
20110714 21:47:55< Sytyi> mordante: I'm thinking of moving class_tag and class_key to namespace schema_validation 
20110714 21:48:21< Sytyi> mordante: And maybe  - merging schema_generation and schema_validation.
20110714 21:50:59< Sytyi> mordante: I have put checking of special field to all validation methods. Validator put a message in Error validation log and simple do nothing if schema was not read.
20110714 21:52:54< mordante> in C++ it's more common to throw an exception upon a failure in the ctor and not leave the broken object around
20110714 21:53:22< fendrin> timotei: no, only the content section is empty.
20110714 21:53:22< mordante> the current design also might give problems when you add more members that need to return a state
20110714 21:53:35< Sytyi> mordante: I will think about that. I agree 
20110714 21:53:53< mordante> fendrin, we figured out the cause of that
20110714 21:54:51< Sytyi> mordante: You are great right. I didn't know if throwing is allowed in constructors.
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20110714 21:55:10< mordante> if you want to keep the current design the user should call the read and be able to see the result
20110714 21:55:38< mordante> yes ctors are allowed to throw, dtors not 
20110714 21:55:59< mordante> at least the rules for throwing dtors are more tricky so in general don't
20110714 21:56:21< mordante> there are no rules for throwing from a ctor
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20110714 21:57:23< mordante> fendrin, if you want to fix it you can duplicate the pdflatex call in the Makefile
20110714 21:58:10< Sytyi> mordante: Ok. I also wanted to do a trick - write a & operator and return NULL if validator is broken.
20110714 21:58:33< Sytyi> mordante: but exceptions are better.
20110714 21:58:50< mordante> yes exceptions are the more common way
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20110714 22:06:40< mordante> Sytyi, what about the includes?
20110714 22:06:42< Sytyi> mordante: I will ask second time. I didnt add #include "validator.hpp" to parser.hpp. Only wrote class absract_validator; And put include in cpp file. Was that correct decision ?
20110714 22:07:20< mordante> Sytyi, ok, I asked before which include you exactly referred to
20110714 22:07:54< Sytyi> mordante: I was typing too long :-)
20110714 22:08:32< mordante> yes that was the correct decision
20110714 22:08:51< mordante> in general the less #includes required in a header the better
20110714 22:10:52< Sytyi> mordante: Do you have any critic more ?
20110714 22:12:07< mordante> not at the moment, will test the code in a few minutes
20110714 22:12:29< mordante> Sytyi, btw did you fill in your mid-term evaluation?
20110714 22:13:03< Sytyi> mordante: This is the current output of validator. Need to check schema markup. 
20110714 22:13:12< Sytyi> mordante: I filled it in Monday.
20110714 22:13:25< Sytyi> mordante: Thanks for remembering
20110714 22:13:47< mordante> ok good, just wanted to make certain, the fact that Ivanovic didn't ping you was a hint ;-)
20110714 22:19:46< Sytyi> mordante: Also wanted to interest about testing, 
20110714 22:20:35< Sytyi> mordante: And can you advice any container without duplicates. I want to use it in solving [+tag] problem. 
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20110714 22:22:35< mordante> you want a container without duplicates?
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20110714 22:26:38< Sytyi> mordante: Yes.
20110714 22:27:13< mordante> both std::map and std::set do not allows duplicate keys, std::map seems the better choice
20110714 22:27:29< Sytyi> mordante: great. Thanks.
20110714 22:27:50< Sytyi> mordante: Later I will ask your help about testing
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20110714 22:30:55< Sytyi> mordante: The current out put of validator
20110714 22:31:01< Sytyi> mordante: http://pastebin.com/HXJMF7Bg
20110714 22:35:59< mordante> seems you have to add more to the schema ;-P
20110714 22:36:34< mordante> but it looks interesting, still waiting for my compiler to finish
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20110714 22:38:35< Sytyi> mordante: Had I  mentioned that I have validator tool  with parsing command line, etc ?
20110714 22:38:54< mordante> no you didn't, but sounds interesting
20110714 22:39:15< mordante> does the validator require the schema in a certain place?
20110714 22:40:05< Sytyi> No. You schould set it when creating
20110714 22:40:34< Sytyi> mordante: class_validator v ("path_to_schema")
20110714 22:42:49< mordante> where exactly?
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20110714 22:45:19< Sytyi> mordante: Dont understand you.
20110714 22:48:20< mordante> where should I exactly set the »class_validator v ("path_to_schema")« I can't find it in the code
20110714 22:48:51< Sytyi> mordante: Constructor.
20110714 22:49:21< mordante> can you give the .cpp file and linenumber where to add it?
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20110714 22:51:09< Sytyi> mordante: http://pastebin.com/dHnVHXY9
20110714 22:51:30< Sytyi> mordante: lines 31 and 66
20110714 22:52:31< mordante> ok thanks
20110714 22:53:01< mordante> brb
20110714 22:53:17< Sytyi> mordante: maybe I need to send you schema.cfg ?
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20110714 23:09:24< mordante> Sytyi, yeah is good
20110714 23:09:40< mordante> I'm off now, see you later
20110714 23:10:15< Sytyi> mordante: See you in Saturday
20110714 23:10:22< Sytyi> mordante: bye.
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