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20110716 00:22:55< shadowmaster> fendrin: if you were talking of the forum status topic, it reached its End of Life™ 12 hours after it was posted. I don't require further "feedback" afterwards.
20110716 00:23:16< shadowmaster> I locked and moved it to a hidden forum (!) so I can just copy & paste the contents the next time.
20110716 00:23:30< fendrin> shadowmaster: okay
20110716 00:24:33< shadowmaster> I guess you didn't notice it was originally open for replies in all forums because people tend to miss Global Announcements because I'm too much of a nice guy to slap them in a more obvious fashion in each page.
20110716 00:24:47< fendrin> right
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20110716 09:49:10< mordante> servus
20110716 09:52:00< Espreon> mordante: Ic grete þe.
20110716 09:52:13< mordante> hi Espreon 
20110716 09:52:30< Espreon> mordante: Would you please run the WesCamp script? While you're at it, would you tell me how to use it again? I lost your instructions.
20110716 09:53:47< mordante> will do in a sec
20110716 09:53:53< Espreon> OK.
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20110716 10:07:14< mordante> Espreon, cd $root_of_wesnoth_checkout
20110716 10:07:28< mordante> Espreon, data/tools/wesnoth/wescamp.py -scampaigns.wesnoth.org -p$port_number_of_the_wanted_server_trunk=15002_1.8=15001 -w $root_of_the_wescamp_checkout -U
20110716 10:07:35< mordante> Espreon, and I just started it
20110716 10:09:10< Espreon> OK. Thanks.
20110716 10:09:25< Espreon> You know, it'd be nice if you provided --help output.
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20110716 10:13:59< Ivanovic> moin
20110716 10:15:26< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
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20110716 10:40:00< timotei> anonymissimus: yeah, I forgot to svn dcommit before starting working on the xtext 2.0 migration :))
20110716 10:40:05< timotei> so they stacked pretty much more
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20110716 12:00:09< CIA-85> mordante * r50338 /trunk/src/whiteboard/manager.cpp: Fix a gcc warning.
20110716 12:00:12< CIA-85> mordante * r50339 /trunk/src/whiteboard/mapbuilder_visitor.cpp: Initialize all members.
20110716 12:00:15< CIA-85> mordante * r50340 /trunk/src/whiteboard/visitor.hpp: 
20110716 12:00:17< CIA-85> Fix a gcc warning.
20110716 12:00:17< CIA-85> The code looks somewhat odd, want to discuss it later.
20110716 12:00:25< mordante> tschmitz ^
20110716 12:04:48< Espreon> mordante: Will you have time to test the insertion stuff today?
20110716 12:05:26< mordante> Espreon, probably later, just about to prepare dinner
20110716 12:05:51< Espreon> All right.
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20110716 13:40:21< Sytyi> mordante: https://gna.org/patch/index.php?2785 Check if you have time please. 
20110716 13:42:25< timotei> Sytyi: hi
20110716 13:42:45< timotei> Sytyi: I am not sure, but your schema generator practically, generates the schema.cfg from the c++ source code? :)
20110716 13:43:16< timotei> or just validates a file against schema.cfg?
20110716 13:43:40< Sytyi> timotei: hi. Not so . It generates schema.cfg from special markup in source code.
20110716 13:43:54< timotei> Yeah.
20110716 13:44:00< Sytyi> timotei: and validator is under development.
20110716 13:44:16< timotei> Well, I am more interested for the SG myself :P
20110716 13:49:37< Sytyi> timotei: The gui markup is under development now. If you are interested I can explain you how it works now. 
20110716 13:50:10< Sytyi> timotei: I mean work about theory of markup is done, need to annotate correct.
20110716 13:57:07< timotei> I've read part of the proposal page :)
20110716 13:57:49< Sytyi> timotei: I suppose You are interested in schema.cfg format more then any other things.
20110716 13:58:05< timotei> Sytyi: well, I know the format. I have already written a parser for that :p
20110716 13:58:09< timotei> for the umc plugin
20110716 13:58:14< Sytyi> timotei: Cool !
20110716 13:58:56< Sytyi> timotei: What format ?http://wiki.wesnoth.org/WML_Annotation_Format#Output this one, I hope ?
20110716 14:02:42< Sytyi> timotei: [offtopic] Do you  have a G+ account? [/offtopic]
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20110716 16:25:15< mordante> Sytyi, the code doesn't compile 
20110716 16:25:17< mordante> src/tools/schema/sourceparser.hpp:115: error: no matching function for call to ‘schema_generator::class_tag::expand_all()’
20110716 16:25:26< mordante> src/tools/schema/schema_generator.cpp:184: error: ‘class schema_generator::class_source_parser’ has no member named ‘expand’
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20110716 16:32:19< Sytyi> mordante: odd
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20110716 16:33:12< mordante> yes
20110716 16:34:50< Sytyi> mordante: SORRY. I schould always check if I saved file before running diff.
20110716 16:35:48< mordante> ah ok, I assumed you did since you also compiled the code
20110716 16:37:44< Sytyi> mordante: I complied, and then added only one run option. http://pastebin.com/JJKkDC15
20110716 16:38:19 * Sytyi fool
20110716 16:39:15< Sytyi> mordante: I will create desifn doc in wiki first.
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20110716 16:48:16< mordante> Sytyi, can you update the patch in the tracker, the saves pastebin fails
20110716 16:48:30< mordante> or can you email it to me
20110716 16:48:40< mordante> just what you prefer
20110716 16:50:02< Sytyi> mordante: done the patch tracker.
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20110716 17:01:17< mordante> Sytyi, did you compile test?
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20110716 17:59:07< Sytyi> mordante: I'm great fool. line 356. Parameter root_ missing. 
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20110716 18:07:44< mordante> Sytyi, yup that fixes the compilation, will eat something before looking further at the patch
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20110716 19:02:27< tschmitz> mordante: Hey, around?
20110716 19:06:39< tschmitz> mordante: I just read this article called Virtuality http://www.gotw.ca/publications/mill18.htm
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20110716 19:51:03< mordante> tschmitz, I'm now
20110716 19:52:41< tschmitz> mordante: You said gcc insisted that ~visitor() be virtual
20110716 19:52:53< mordante> tschmitz, it warns if it's not
20110716 19:53:42< tschmitz> I read that article and it makes a good point saying that protected non-virtual destructors are safe as well
20110716 19:55:30< tschmitz> I don't suppose it'll hurt anything to make it virtual, but I think that logically it doesn't belong virtual
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20110716 19:56:16< tschmitz> mordante: Also, you said you wanted to discuss the code ... ?
20110716 19:59:22< mordante> well the comment on that line explains what it does, but not why
20110716 20:00:02< mordante> why should the class not be deleted via a pointer to the base class
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20110716 20:01:40< tschmitz> mordante: The only need for polymorphism in the visitor class is in response to the action::accept(visitor&) method
20110716 20:02:24< tschmitz> mordante: The accept method merely forwards the call back to one of the functions in the visitor, and doesn't delete the visitor
20110716 20:04:32< tschmitz> mordante: and as long as the destructor is virtual, there is no danger of accidentally attempting to delete polymorphically but instead doing a bad thing
20110716 20:04:55< tschmitz> That's what I gathered from the article anyway, and from thinking about it
20110716 20:06:54< tschmitz> as long as a subclass doesn't attempt polymorphic deletion ... but gabba and I are the ones writing the subclasses
20110716 20:07:40< mordante> wrong you and gabba are the ones writing it now, in two years it will be somebody else, including you and gabba
20110716 20:08:14< mordante> if somebody deletes it polymorphic things will go bad
20110716 20:08:30< mordante> so this commit leads to a lot of potential bugs
20110716 20:08:51< mordante> (I now refer to the other virtual's removed from dtors in other classes in that commit)
20110716 20:15:09< mordante> Sytyi, looking at your code
20110716 20:15:23< mordante> there are still several functions with const in the name
20110716 20:16:05< mordante> also you use the function find_son_key, find_child_key would be a better name
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20110716 20:20:18< tschmitz> mordante: The reason we are not deleting visitors polymorphically is because the visitors are pretty much just function objects and we are not selecting *which* visitor to use at runtime; we are selecting that at compile time because we know at compile time what kind of visitation we want to do. Thus the visitor class does not require support for polymorphic deletion, and if the next guy comes along and wants to change that an
20110716 20:20:26< tschmitz> destructor virtual. On the other hand, if you insist, regardless, on making it virtual now, I won't argue with you.
20110716 20:23:10< mordante> the problem I see more if somebody does that by accident things will go wrong
20110716 20:23:30< mordante> that person might be you in a few years and you just forgot about that rule
20110716 20:24:32< mordante> what do you exactly mean with the compile and runtime, I'm not too familiar with that part of the code
20110716 20:25:16< Sytyi> mordante: thanks. I tried  find_tag and find_son tag. The find_tag overrides find_son_tag and do it's functionality. So maybe I will remove find_son_tag. The only advantage is it does not check input param path to /
20110716 20:27:26< Sytyi> mordante: Can you mention lines with const in name? There is a type all_const_tag_iterators tags() const , but all_const_tag_iterators is type name
20110716 20:30:31< mordante> ah ok
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20110716 20:33:00< mordante> Sytyi, when I run the schema generator I only get one small sample is that correct?
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20110716 20:49:54< tschmitz> mordante: The way the visitors are typically used is: Instead of writing something like "foreach(action_ptr act, action_list) act->validate(args)", we write something like "validate_visitor v(args); foreach(action_ptr act, action_list) act->accept(v);"
20110716 20:51:16< tschmitz> mordante: That is, instead of writing a new virtual function called validate() in the action hierarchy, we write a new class called validate_visitor
20110716 20:52:19< tschmitz> I suppose it keeps the validation-related code in one spot
20110716 20:52:54< tschmitz> and perhaps reduces dependencies?
20110716 20:55:50< tschmitz> btw, in the move subclass of action, accept(visitor& v) is defined as {v.visit_move(this);}
20110716 20:56:28< tschmitz> and in general, in the XXX subclass of action, it's defined as {v.visit_XXX(this)}
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20110716 20:59:54< tschmitz> So in that example where a validate_visitor is created, it's created on the stack, so it doesn't matter whether or not its destructor is virtual; it is a candidate to be inlined anyway, because v is a stack object
20110716 21:01:24< tschmitz> we do occasionally have heap-allocated visitor-subclass objects, but they are held via pointers to the exact class rather than via pointers to the visitor base class
20110716 21:02:40< tschmitz> in fact, a visitor* would be useless because visitor has no public methods
20110716 21:05:12< tschmitz> the only time the visitor polymorphism is used is in the accept() method that I mentioned, which is possible because those classes are friends of visitor
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20110716 21:10:15< Sytyi> mordante: Do you have annotated source ?
20110716 21:19:52< timotei> tschmitz: just my 2 cents: I'd better make sure that bad things don't happen :P
20110716 21:20:32< Soliton> sounds like that was done.
20110716 21:22:53< tschmitz> timotei: Hey, I'm not one to argue with mordante or with a gcc warning, but he hasn't yet told me "Just do what I say.", which I will gladly do if he says that
20110716 21:23:33< tschmitz> Which I am also glad to do
20110716 21:23:33< tschmitz> but he has just said he wants to "discuss" it.
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20110716 21:24:51< tschmitz> Besides, this is probably where the most learning will take place, I hope
20110716 21:25:02< timotei> yep. I've learned a lot too :D
20110716 21:25:06< timotei> from peeking into commits :P
20110716 21:26:30< timotei> fendrin: migrating to xtext 2.0 was a bit painful. But the new rewritten api is much more cleaner :D
20110716 21:26:36< timotei> and it's simpler to do things now
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20110716 21:35:25< mordante> tschmitz, I agree with the advantages of the visitor pattern
20110716 21:36:15< mordante> Sytyi, didn't you already have some in the patch I committed>
20110716 21:36:20< mordante> ?*
20110716 21:37:10< mordante> tschmitz, indeed I hope to explain why it's better to keep them virtual
20110716 21:37:24< Sytyi> mordante: You had commited patch with only source. Annotations are in https://gna.org/patch/?2629
20110716 21:37:47< mordante> and I agree in the current usage scenario it may not hurt
20110716 21:38:15< mordante> only once somebody uses a class in another way things may go bad
20110716 21:38:43< mordante> Sytyi, is that annotations patch ready? I recall you said it wasn't completely done
20110716 21:38:58< Sytyi> mordante: and that patch is still under development. (You remember that  output of the validator)
20110716 21:39:23< mordante> Sytyi, so I have to apply that patch for testing?
20110716 21:39:37< Sytyi> mordante: Unfortunately.
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20110716 21:40:44< mordante> Sytyi, does that patch 'break' the wiki grabber?
20110716 21:41:30< Sytyi> mordante: no. You already commited filter to wiki grabber :-)
20110716 21:42:08< mordante> Sytyi, maybe then we should commit that patch ;-)
20110716 21:42:44< Sytyi> mordante: The patch you commited had src/tools/schema/*   + src/CMakeLists.txt + utils/wiki-grabber.py  
20110716 21:43:22< mordante> I thought it also had annotations in the canvas
20110716 21:44:09< Sytyi> mordante:I 'd like to commit correct annotatations. The canvas.cpp is corrected right, but I need to do smth with definitions and windows.
20110716 21:45:43< Sytyi> mordante: Sorrry. I need to update Markup Patch too. That doesn't have information about types. 
20110716 21:45:58< Sytyi> mordante: you'll take a lot of warnings.
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20110716 21:47:16< mordante> yup I doo
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20110716 21:49:33< mordante> tschmitz, I had a look at the code and see that highlight_visitor is used as a pointer
20110716 21:49:55< Sytyi> mordante: What will we do. Maybe commit only settings.cpp and canvas.cpp ?
20110716 21:50:18< Sytyi> mordante: And later another sources.
20110716 21:50:35< mordante> tschmitz, so if somebody makes a subclass based in this class, for example to test some ideas things with another high-lighter
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20110716 21:50:51< mordante> things would go bad
20110716 21:51:29< mordante> since the destructor in the base class is now virtual the one in highlight_visitor is also virtual so everything will go well
20110716 21:52:00< mordante> I hope that explains why non-virtual destructors can be dangerous
20110716 21:52:33< mordante> Sytyi, ok can I commit the changes to these files as-is or do you have more changes locally
20110716 21:53:30< Sytyi> mordante: Yes I have. Now I will create a patch with only that files you to commit.
20110716 21:53:54< mordante> ok great then I'll commit that
20110716 21:55:32< Sytyi> done
20110716 21:56:28< tschmitz> mordante: I wish I could depend on that person to check whether highlight_visitor is readily subclassable, but I suppose we know that I cannot
20110716 21:57:11< tschmitz> that person probably ought to have changed the pointer type from highlight_visitor* to derived_highlight_visitor* anyway
20110716 21:59:01< mordante> thanks Sytyi 
20110716 21:59:23< mordante> tschmitz, the problem is you can't (yet) mark a class as final so it can't be subclassed
20110716 22:00:04< mordante> no boost::shared_ptr can handle subclassing without a problem
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20110716 22:46:55< mordante> Sytyi the @allow isn't properly filtered in the wiki grabber
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20110716 22:48:06< mordante> Sytyi and I see if fixes a bug as well in tstring :-)
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20110716 22:58:31< CIA-85> timotei * r50348 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/ (11 files in 4 dirs): 
20110716 22:58:31< CIA-85> eclipse plugin: Rework the entire Highlight
20110716 22:58:31< CIA-85> start/end tag strategy. It now uses
20110716 22:58:31< CIA-85> a non-hacky method of achieving it.
20110716 22:58:38< CIA-85> timotei * r50349 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth.ui/src/org/wesnoth/ui/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
20110716 22:58:38< CIA-85> eclipse plugin: Rework the closing end tag
20110716 22:58:38< CIA-85> autoedit Strategy
20110716 22:58:47< CIA-85> timotei * r50350 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth.ui/src/org/wesnoth/ui/emf/ (HashMapStorageAdapter.java ObjectStorageAdapter.java): eclipse plugin: Remove unnecessary classes
20110716 22:58:58< CIA-85> timotei * r50351 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/ (8 files in 7 dirs): 
20110716 22:58:58< CIA-85> eclipse plugin: Reorganize the WML Utils class
20110716 22:58:58< CIA-85> and cleanup the WMLUtil toString code for WML node model
20110716 22:59:08< CIA-85> timotei * r50352 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/wml/core/WMLConfig.java: eclipse plugin: Fix faulty 'if'
20110716 22:59:19< CIA-85> timotei * r50353 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/ (builder/WesnothProjectBuilder.java utils/ResourceUtils.java): 
20110716 22:59:19< CIA-85> eclipse plugin: Rework the 'getContainers' method
20110716 22:59:19< CIA-85> to adapt to the new grammar
20110716 22:59:38< timotei> night
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20110716 23:24:30< mordante> I'm off night
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