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20110719 01:20:11< happygrue> hello
20110719 01:20:17< enchilado> Hello
20110719 01:22:17< Espreon> happygrue: 'Ello.
20110719 01:26:14< happygrue> so I have a ton of stuff that I'm about to add to the changelog (and most should go in the players changelog too), but I'm not quite sure how to do it, based on the volume:  http://pastebin.com/Mesrifs0
20110719 01:26:23< happygrue> it's all the stats changes for the khalifate
20110719 01:26:45< happygrue> should I put it in mostly like that or do some reformatting?
20110719 01:27:14< happygrue> there are changes to lines and individual units so it's somewhat confusing and I'm not sure what the best way to handle it is
20110719 01:28:57< Espreon> Eh, try to follow the established format.
20110719 01:31:04< happygrue> well, that's what I'm saying - the established format doesn't really have a precident for making that many changes to some of the same units/unit lines
20110719 01:32:33< Espreon> Well, I meant style; not flow of information. But, I don't think I wanna touch this.
20110719 01:32:51< happygrue> eg: if I list the unit with each change as the established format uses then I think it will be much less readable
20110719 01:33:13< Espreon> Forget everything I said.
20110719 01:33:40< happygrue> since one unit line might have 8 changes and some units have 5 or so
20110719 01:33:43< happygrue> okay ;)
20110719 01:33:49< noy> hello
20110719 01:33:51< happygrue> this is why I ask... 
20110719 01:33:59< happygrue> hi noy
20110719 01:34:54< noy> can I be of assistance?
20110719 01:35:03< happygrue> maybe
20110719 01:35:13< happygrue> see the pastebin above
20110719 01:35:39< happygrue> that is the boiled down version of the changes from the addon that are going into trunk
20110719 01:35:51< happygrue> but I'm not sure how to put it into the changelog
20110719 01:36:30< happygrue> well, I'm not sure if it's best to put it in as normal balancing changes have been before, I should say
20110719 01:36:43< happygrue> but maybe it is.  That's why I ask.
20110719 01:37:24< noy> we have some time so why rush it?
20110719 01:37:32< noy> I think you'll be back before the new version is released, no?
20110719 01:37:53< happygrue> well, what I'm doing now is updating trunk to the current version of the 1.8 addon
20110719 01:38:00< happygrue> which I was hoping to do before I left but didn't get to
20110719 01:38:21< happygrue> I'm not making any new changes right now
20110719 01:39:35< noy> well there isn't much need
20110719 01:40:37< happygrue> for comparison, here is a chunk of the normal format (which would look super ugly with this many changes):  http://pastebin.com/jDWMVhTh
20110719 01:41:10< happygrue> well, this is a good place to put the changes into the development version I think.  I don't want to develop the whole thing on 1.8 without keeping the development branch at least somewhat current
20110719 01:41:52< happygrue> as it's hard to put in this many changes - this should have been done a while ago, but it's annoying and counterproductive to put in balance changes at the early stage, which is why I am doing it now
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20110719 02:57:03< CIA-85> eleazar * r50359 /trunk/data/core/about.cfg: changed battlestar's credits at his request.
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20110719 08:23:04< Soliton> big lists of balancing changes sure are nothing new.
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20110719 13:03:27< Nephro> Crab_ : the load/save routine at the moment works well for candidate actions and stages, but it seems that aspects are totally lost the load(because I was the one implementing Lua aspects and I didn't implement the toconfig[if I got it right, toconfig is the method used by the save mechanism] method). Also, the closures are going crazy, but that was foreseen
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20110719 20:24:05< mordante> servus
20110719 20:25:27< Espreon> mordante: Ic grete þe.
20110719 20:26:05< mordante> hi Espreon 
20110719 20:26:20< mordante> Espreon, I tested with Wescamp last weekend but no solution yet
20110719 20:26:29< Espreon> Hmmm, I see.
20110719 20:46:05< Sytyi> mordante: hi!
20110719 20:46:16< mordante> hi Sytyi 
20110719 20:47:42< Sytyi> mordante: Faced with problems, need some help.
20110719 20:50:43< mordante> what problem?
20110719 20:53:43< Sytyi> mordante: First: if you have time and mood can you give an example of gui markup. like http://pastebin.com/ZzQjWNFE or your own format. I'm lost of all that resolutions and so one, and each has their own meaning depending on context.
20110719 20:54:36< mordante> not entirely sure what you want to have
20110719 20:54:52< Sytyi> mordante: I faced 1000 warnings in validation, they are nearly the same and mostly are about instantation of labels, etc
20110719 20:55:14< Sytyi> mordante: Where can be placed [label]?
20110719 20:57:18< mordante> [label] or label?
20110719 20:57:28< Sytyi> [label]
20110719 20:58:42< mordante> IIRC [label] can only occur in [grid][row][column]
20110719 21:01:02< Sytyi> mordante: Let me ask questions about high level and I will do the low level myself.
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20110719 21:07:22< Sytyi> mordante: There is [gui].  [tip], [window], [window_definition] and [%widgetname%_definition] are allowed there. Is that list full? 
20110719 21:09:44< mordante> at which level? or at any level?
20110719 21:12:55< Sytyi> mordante: at first level.
20110719 21:13:12< Sytyi> tip, window, ... are child of gui.
20110719 21:15:35< mordante> top level is [gui] the others are children, have a look at data/gui/default.cfg
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20110719 21:18:51< Sytyi> mordante: [tip], [window], [window_definition] and [%widgetname%_definition] is the full list of [gui] children ?
20110719 21:19:04< Sytyi> mordante: +[ settings]
20110719 21:23:15< mordante> yes
20110719 21:24:12< Sytyi> mordante: [tip]  and [settings] are rather simple. 
20110719 21:25:21< mordante> yup
20110719 21:25:43< Sytyi> mordante:  [%widgetname%_definition] contains id, description and [resolution]
20110719 21:26:05< Sytyi> and here [resolution] contains [state_%%%]
20110719 21:27:16< mordante> [%widgetname%_definition] contains id, description and [resolution] yes
20110719 21:27:32< mordante> [resolution] contains [state_%%%] yes but also more fields are allowed
20110719 21:27:50< mordante> for example look at the image_default.cfg which is rather simple
20110719 21:27:59< Sytyi> it depends on context, and is documented in Wiki macros
20110719 21:28:14< Sytyi> mordante: no trouble
20110719 21:28:18< mordante> yup
20110719 21:28:20< mordante> ok
20110719 21:28:25< Sytyi> [window_definiton]
20110719 21:29:31< Sytyi> can contain [resolution] and there resolution contains [foreground] [background}
20110719 21:29:46< Sytyi> mordante: that also was documented.
20110719 21:30:27< mordante> yes and some extra fields and the section [grid]
20110719 21:31:40< Sytyi> mordante: so [fore..] [back...] and [grid]
20110719 21:31:47< mordante> yup
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20110719 21:32:34< Sytyi> mordante: And what with [window]. I havent found any wiki-macro about it 
20110719 21:35:54< Sytyi> mordante: Maybe the life was easier, if I knew how to print human readable filename. Now I get only numbers. like 55 30 2 159 55 30 2 176 55 30 2
20110719 21:37:05< mordante> sorry can't parse the last sentence
20110719 21:38:09< mordante> this page contains the [window] information http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GUIWindowDefinitionWML
20110719 21:38:23< mordante> and in the source it's in gui/dialogs
20110719 21:39:04< Sytyi> mordante: Isn't it [window_definition] ? 
20110719 21:39:34< Sytyi> mordante: Now when I print warning. I have something like this - 20110719 22:35:29 warning validation: 55 30 2 159 55 30 2 176 55 30 2:99: wrong tag grid
20110719 21:40:21< mordante> no that list is the [window]
20110719 21:40:34< mordante> ah ok, these warnings are indeed not really helpful ;-)
20110719 21:41:02< Sytyi> And if it was smth like .... warning validation : data/gui/defaullt.cfg : 99  .... I could easier debug schema markup.
20110719 21:41:14< mordante> yup
20110719 21:41:38< Sytyi> mordante: I had looked for that format but haven't find anything.
20110719 21:42:53< Sytyi> I read serialization/tokenizer.hpp & cpp from and out, but had never found from where that odd numbers are get.
20110719 21:43:06< Sytyi> mordante: and how to translate them.
20110719 21:43:55< mordante> I also don't know...
20110719 21:44:13< mordante> I'm about to leave, do you have more questions?
20110719 21:44:37< Sytyi> mordante: no,. Thanks.
20110719 21:44:53< Sytyi> mordante: Btw did you see new patch ?
20110719 21:45:10< mordante> ok then see you later
20110719 21:45:25< mordante> I'll have a look at that patch tomorrow, didn't have time this evening
20110719 21:45:29< Sytyi> mordante: see you later. 
20110719 21:45:35< Sytyi> mordante: no problem
20110719 21:45:52< mordante> ok see you, bye
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20110719 21:49:21< gabba> Hi all
20110719 21:51:46< Espreon> 'Ello.
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