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20110803 00:31:11< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20110803 01:45:40< Espreon> anonymissimus: [base_unit]... is freakin' amazing.
20110803 01:45:49< Espreon> Try it.
20110803 01:50:17< shadowmaster> 15:48:39 <anonymissimus> Espreon: well my campaign is using the wolf units (not only since you added them) so i kind of have a right to edit these files :P
20110803 01:50:40< shadowmaster> Well, I wasn't aware I had the right to mess with mainline units just because I used them in my UMC.
20110803 01:51:10 * shadowmaster goes to buff vampire bats' HP
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20110803 01:53:02< Espreon> And I should totally weaken the dwarves!
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20110803 06:50:23< tschmitz> Espreon: Thanks for signaling those warnings
20110803 06:50:30< tschmitz> loonycyborg: Thanks for fixing them
20110803 06:51:10< tschmitz> I was crossing my fingers that gcc wouldn't mind the unused parameters in the inline functions
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20110803 06:51:20< tschmitz> because I forgot I could wrap the names in /* */
20110803 06:55:04< Espreon> No prob.
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20110803 09:01:11< janebot> Wesnoth Forums | Developers’ Discussions • Re: [Status] Forum style reset to prosilver for all users by shadowmaster [ 08-03-2011 06:58 ] [ http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=34554&p=499885#p499885 ]
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20110803 09:19:23< Espreon> zookeeper: What do you think should be done about anonyissimus's changes to the wolf units?
20110803 09:19:34< zookeeper> i was just about to check them out
20110803 09:21:28< zookeeper> no other changes than making them an advancement tree?
20110803 09:22:06< Espreon> Yeah.
20110803 09:22:11< Espreon> I was a bit irritated by that change.
20110803 09:22:30< zookeeper> actually i'd like to bump the XP limits by at least about 10, maybe more
20110803 09:24:45< Espreon> I don't really like it that it's now a tree, but whatever.
20110803 09:24:54< Espreon> *like that it's
20110803 09:26:14< zookeeper> i don't mind, but i also think they shouldn't realistically be able to level up in AI hands, hence high XP limit
20110803 09:26:46< Espreon> Yeah.
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20110803 20:03:23< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20110803 20:31:34< anonymissimus> Espreon: does it make any sense to NOT have the wolves as ab advancement tree ?
20110803 20:32:11< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: MP balancing?
20110803 20:32:17< anonymissimus> no
20110803 20:32:25< anonymissimus> they dont appear there
20110803 20:32:33< loonycyborg> wolves aren't in any mp faction
20110803 20:33:11< anonymissimus> only situation I can think of is the high pass in TH oT
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20110803 20:33:23< Soliton> monsters usually don't advance.
20110803 20:33:56< anonymissimus> thats because we dont have monster yet for which it is suitable
20110803 20:34:23< loonycyborg> Bats :P
20110803 20:34:47< loonycyborg> They can and do advance.
20110803 20:34:59< Soliton> and are not monsters.
20110803 20:35:14< loonycyborg> Some campaigns use them as monsters.
20110803 20:35:24< anonymissimus> I can say as well that if we have units like fish, bigger fish, biggest fish we don't usually not connect them to an advancement tree
20110803 20:36:01< anonymissimus> bats arent in the monster category, they are bats/*
20110803 20:36:10< Soliton> loonycyborg: race=monster
20110803 20:37:22< anonymissimus> Soliton: more important; you read my messages about the OOS problem due to short time to attack ?
20110803 20:37:47< Espreon> anonymissimus: Well, I was seeing the different wolf units as different species (since we have the direwolf), but we can always just argue with WINR. So, fine, have it your way.
20110803 20:37:51< Soliton> yeah, nothing useful in there as i remember.
20110803 20:38:11< Soliton> i'll have to try sometime when i get the chance.
20110803 20:38:12< anonymissimus> and in that scenario in THoT, the wolves dont advance for sure since the player can afford feeding them xp
20110803 20:38:23< anonymissimus> cant
20110803 20:39:15< anonymissimus> Espreon: ah you want wesnoth to be reality ? I ike that
20110803 20:39:54< zookeeper> well, i'd say that either we keep the wolf line as it is now, or we drop the great wolf and just have wolf and direwolf without advancement
20110803 20:40:46< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: in this case it's bit different; I wouldnt modify a unit if I start using it in my UMC when it already was in mainline
20110803 20:45:19< anonymissimus> I should just have created these units in mainline when I needed them; nobody would have noticed and they'd be the way I want them and it'd be hard to change now since it can break existing UMC :P
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20110803 21:13:59< Soliton> or you could just discuss changes with people before doing them. i do like to think that in general we do work towards the same goal...
20110803 21:14:10< timotei> fendrin, I don't know if I can add update to the standalone app
20110803 21:14:25< timotei> or at least, not until I get my notebook back
20110803 21:14:33< timotei> this eclipse is driving me crazy ...
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20110803 21:27:37< anonymissimus> Espreon: et all: when I made the wolf advancements tree I actually thought you forgot to connect them and was bti surprised to read it was on purpose
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20110803 21:30:01< anonymissimus> meh, if you're so concerned I'll revert my revisions and rename the unit id in my umc and forget about the whole issue
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20110803 21:43:51< Espreon> anonymissimus: Ah, I see. All right then.
20110803 21:47:36< Espreon> anonymissimus: Yup, please revert.
20110803 21:53:04< fendrin> timotei: what is the problem?
20110803 21:53:24< timotei> fendrin, ah, fixed that. It seems I was assuming something which was wrong xD
20110803 21:53:32< timotei> and there was no documentation to confirm or infirm that
20110803 21:53:38< timotei> .... time fixes them all :P
20110803 21:54:10< fendrin> timotei: newer eclipse versions no longer work with what cmake produces for an eclipse project. That is driving me crazy.
20110803 21:54:24< timotei> fendrin, did you upgrade CDT?
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20110803 22:00:35< fendrin> timotei: Yes I did.
20110803 22:05:39< CIA-57> anonymissimus * r50574 /trunk/data/core/units/monsters/ (Wolf.cfg Wolf_Great.cfg): 
20110803 22:05:39< CIA-57> Revert "let wolfs advance to Great Wolfs and to Direwolfs"
20110803 22:05:39< CIA-57> This reverts commit ecd806ac1ace6507e427d64188f8b9596dfb973b.
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20110803 22:08:41< Soliton> note that that SHA1 is not useful for anyone but you.
20110803 22:11:59< timotei> Soliton, well, git appends that message by default iirc
20110803 22:12:24< Soliton> it does.
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20110803 22:23:53< thonsew> Hello.  I have a fix for bug 18017 and newly granted ssh key.  Should I 1. dcommit the fix, mark the bug fixed and move on, 2. Post a diff of the code as a patch and mark Ready for Test or 3. Something in the middle.
20110803 22:24:54< Gambit> 2 probably.
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20110803 22:24:59< Espreon> Well, if we're sure that it doesn't break anything, we just outright commit it.
20110803 22:25:38< Espreon> Note that some follow this rule better than others.
20110803 22:26:06< elias> some don't commit even if they are sure it's safe?
20110803 22:26:52< Espreon> I actually meant that some commit even if they're not sure.
20110803 22:27:15< thonsew> What make the least amount of work for people?  Are people comfortable reverting commits?  Who is responsible for testing?
20110803 22:28:07< Espreon> Well, you were given commit access; you might as well use it. If you wait for others to inspect, it might take awhile.
20110803 22:28:29< Espreon> Unless it could break a lot of other things... yeah.
20110803 22:29:07< Soliton> you're responsible for testing. if you're unsure ask others to test as well.
20110803 22:29:16< Espreon> Indeed.
20110803 22:31:04< thonsew> The fix involve a change to the tod handling of the hex loading of images.  It appears to work to me.  Espreon, it was your bug report, so would you be happy to test it if I posted a diff?
20110803 22:31:43< thonsew> I mean that low level image fiddling could cause wide spread problems not evident on my system.
20110803 22:32:14< Espreon> thonsew: Of course.
20110803 22:33:10< thonsew> Awesome.  I'll head off and produce a patch.  By the way the testcase worked perfectly.
20110803 22:33:36< Espreon> I'm glad that it did.
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20110803 22:48:48< Espreon> thonsew: Although fixed, we now have this: http://imagebin.org/166262
20110803 22:56:57< thonsew> I see.  I always play with grid so that wasn't so evident.  The tod tiles maybe injected int the pipeline after the blending.  I'll check.  It is good that the patch didn't crash anything.
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20110803 22:57:48< Espreon> Yup.
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20110803 23:06:22< anonymissimus> wesbot: seen zaroth
20110803 23:06:23< wesbot> anonymissimus: The person with the nick zaroth last spoke 30d ago.  28d 7h ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth, #wesnoth-de and #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Ping timeout: 255 seconds
20110803 23:07:06< anonymissimus> hmhm I guess he is lost ?
20110803 23:08:03< anonymissimus> I hope the campaign loading engine etc is not in unfinished state now or something
20110803 23:10:40< zookeeper> apparently something came up and he couldn't continue
20110803 23:13:03< anonymissimus> he gave an explanation =
20110803 23:13:06< anonymissimus> ?
20110803 23:17:08< zookeeper> just repeating what i saw in http://www.wesnoth.org/irclogs/2011/07/%23wesnoth-dev.2011-07-30.log
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20110803 23:21:52< anonymissimus> aha ok
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20110803 23:59:07< CIA-57> tschmitz * r50575 /trunk/src/whiteboard/ (7 files): 
20110803 23:59:07< CIA-57> Reduced complexity by eliminating inheritance of visitor from visitor_base.
20110803 23:59:07< CIA-57> Renamed visitor_base to enable_visit_all.
20110803 23:59:07< CIA-57> Added visitor::visit_all_actions() to fill the resulting void.
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