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20110816 00:25:00< tschmitz> I want to make a dialog box that can contain a varying number of checkboxes (one checkbox for each player in the game).
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20110816 02:51:53< Espreon> tschmitz: Try talking to mordante about that.
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20110816 09:19:56< Ivanovic> moin
20110816 09:20:35< boucman_mobile> moin
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20110816 11:19:11< mordante> servus
20110816 11:20:25< mordante> tschmitz you can put the checkboxes in a listbox
20110816 11:20:28< Crendgrim> timotei: around?
20110816 11:24:12< timotei> Crendgrim: brb phone :P
20110816 11:24:24< Crendgrim> alright
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20110816 11:43:40< timotei> Crendgrim: brb restarting to make backup :P
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20110816 11:59:29< Crendgrim> always when I have a bug / problem with the UMC Eclipse plugin, timotei suddenly has no time... :/
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20110816 14:33:24< timotei> Crendgrim: ok back :)
20110816 14:34:08< timotei> Crendgrim: < Crendgrim> always when I have a bug / problem with the UMC Eclipse plugin, timotei suddenly has no time... :/
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20110816 14:34:25< timotei> I like bugs (at least for some time). It makes me feel that somebody is using the plugin :)
20110816 14:34:30< Crendgrim> hehe
20110816 14:34:37< Crendgrim> well, I cannot use it
20110816 14:34:42< timotei> Trunk version? :P
20110816 14:34:47< Crendgrim> no
20110816 14:35:01< Crendgrim> I have the most recent eclipse version (Indigo) and installed the plugin via the eclipse addon manager
20110816 14:35:07< Crendgrim> and cannot open any .cfg files
20110816 14:35:11< timotei> ah.
20110816 14:35:16< timotei> And you installed xtext 2.0 
20110816 14:35:18< timotei> I guess
20110816 14:35:27< timotei> Let me think
20110816 14:35:37< timotei> You get error when opening the editor so?
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20110816 14:36:27< Crendgrim> mom, let me start eclipse
20110816 14:38:03< timotei> I don't exactly know (I haven't tested) what xtext version is installed. If it's 2.0 (indigo's official one), then of course it won't work :P
20110816 14:38:08< timotei> In trunk I've bumped to indigio
20110816 14:38:11< timotei> eclipse required version
20110816 14:38:17< Crendgrim> timotei: Could not open the editor: The editor class could not be instantiated. This usually indicates a missing no-arg constructor or that the editor's class name was mistyped in plugin.xml.
20110816 14:38:21< Crendgrim> ah... okay
20110816 14:38:34 * Crendgrim goes looking for another Xtext version
20110816 14:39:14< timotei> You could check the version in...
20110816 14:39:18< timotei> Help->About eclipse
20110816 14:39:23< timotei> and somewhere there
20110816 14:39:34< timotei> You have 2 choices here:
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20110816 14:39:48< timotei> 1) use helios (eclipse)
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20110816 14:40:10< timotei> 2) reinstall indigo and install the previous xtext version and only after that the plugin
20110816 14:40:11< timotei> :)
20110816 14:40:40< Crendgrim> ... both sound quite complicated :p
20110816 14:40:40< timotei> I'll launch the 2.0 plugin version soon (end of gsoc or so)
20110816 14:40:49< Crendgrim> okay, then I'll head for 3)
20110816 14:41:02< timotei> 3 is downloading the standolone version
20110816 14:41:12< timotei> :P
20110816 14:41:36< Crendgrim> okay, then 4 :p
20110816 14:41:52< timotei> ah, 4 is using the trunk version 
20110816 14:42:21< timotei> and 5 is waiting for 2.0 :P
20110816 14:42:23< Crendgrim> ... 5
20110816 14:42:26< timotei> :))
20110816 14:42:31< Crendgrim> xD
20110816 14:42:39< timotei> I guess that's all the choices
20110816 14:42:48< Crendgrim> alright ... so we have a GSoC project which doesn't work with the latest software :p
20110816 14:42:57< timotei> well
20110816 14:43:00< timotei> Not my fault...
20110816 14:43:06< timotei> Or is it?
20110816 14:43:09< Crendgrim> I didn't say that
20110816 14:44:39< timotei> Ok, back to reading...
20110816 14:44:45< Crendgrim> timotei: one bug I found without even being able to use the plugin
20110816 14:44:49< timotei> ?
20110816 14:44:52< Crendgrim> I have no idea whether you fixed it already
20110816 14:45:07< Crendgrim> but in 1.0.3 no [binary_path] is included in the _main.cfg if you create a new campaign project
20110816 14:45:47< timotei> Ah.
20110816 14:46:14< timotei> Well, Yeah, I suck at wml and that stuff... but I plan to... make it easier for others to correct/enhance the templates:)
20110816 14:46:49< timotei> Crendgrim: if you want, you can fix it in: trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/templates/campaign.txt
20110816 14:46:50< timotei> xD
20110816 14:46:56< timotei> Yeah, the naming convention sucks
20110816 14:51:56< Crendgrim> well, for me it isn't that important
20110816 14:52:32< Crendgrim> but for new WML coders it'll be weird if they use this UMC thingy and they still cannot just use their images which are in the right place
20110816 14:53:31< timotei> True
20110816 15:01:04< Espreon> crimson_penguin: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=502309#p502309　... Shit just got serious.
20110816 15:08:52< enchilado> Espreon: your avatar is the monkey from Bert the Turtle :O
20110816 15:08:58< Espreon> Yeah.
20110816 15:09:14< Espreon> Well, the film is properly known as "Duck and Cover".
20110816 15:09:22< Espreon> ... I think.
20110816 15:10:07< enchilado> Oh, yeah, it is :\
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20110816 16:00:20< Nephro> Any way I can get rid of the shroud in a scenario in debug mode?
20110816 16:09:35< Espreon> :shroud
20110816 16:09:48< Crendgrim> :shroud off ?
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20110816 16:21:34< Espreon> crimson_penguin: No, just :shroud
20110816 16:21:36< Espreon> Whoops.
20110816 16:21:42< Espreon> I meant Crendgrim.
20110816 16:22:46< Crendgrim> alright, long time not used :p sorry
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20110816 17:26:59< crimson_penguin> Espreon: you know, I've never REALLY understood all those scripts
20110816 17:27:46< crimson_penguin> I can try to do something about it if someone explains what exactly is wrong, but not right now - right now I'm trying to get to work asap
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20110816 17:37:47< Espreon> crimson_penguin: Well, I'm getting Gambit to take a look at it. If he can't deal with it... yeah.
20110816 17:38:08< sytyi> mordante: hi
20110816 17:38:09< Espreon> crimson_penguin: The problem is that the links to the po files for UMC are now incorrect.
20110816 17:38:40< Espreon> crimson_penguin: Basically, the "trunk" in those generated links should be "branches/1.10"
20110816 17:39:10< crimson_penguin> oh, ok
20110816 17:39:23 * crimson_penguin goes to work
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20110816 17:44:50< mordante> hi sytyi 
20110816 17:45:13< sytyi> mordante: something odd with validator tool after last commit.
20110816 17:45:55< mordante> what kind of odd thing?
20110816 17:45:55< sytyi> mordante: does it work for you? It falls on class_tag::operator = ()
20110816 17:46:06< mordante> compilation?
20110816 17:46:16< sytyi> mordante: run-time error
20110816 17:49:17< mordante> I get an error, need to recompile for debug information
20110816 18:29:00< sytyi> mordante: Schould I write my own assignment operator?
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20110816 18:46:09< mordante> sytyi, haven't looked yet, got a phone call
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20110816 18:53:49< mordante> sytyi, not sure the crash looks odd, is it after my recent changes?
20110816 18:54:47< sytyi> mordante: It worked at Sunday for me at last.
20110816 18:55:08< sytyi> mordante: When I send you an e-mail about errors.
20110816 19:01:53< mordante> bisecting the offending commit
20110816 19:01:59< mordante> how are things going further?
20110816 19:09:11< sytyi> mordante: Yesterday I wrote an intial version of documentation in notebook, now typing. you can read some first articles from http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ValidationDesign and I'm typing.
20110816 19:13:58< mordante> sytyi, the version you committed intially doesn't work for me :-(
20110816 19:14:15< sytyi> mordante: ok. 
20110816 19:14:23< mordante> seems there are two bugs to bisect which is nasty
20110816 19:14:28< mordante> will try further
20110816 19:14:43< sytyi> mordante: But it worked once for you? do you remember&
20110816 19:14:52< mordante> and how is the integration with Wesnoth going?
20110816 19:15:13< mordante> I remember but then I had to do some preprocessing
20110816 19:15:42< sytyi> mordante: I wrote the code, tried it, and then commented and commited
20110816 19:15:55< sytyi> cause now we do not have clear schema
20110816 19:17:20< mordante> but is there a way to enable the code so I can test it?
20110816 19:18:28< sytyi> mordante: yes. Just  see gui/widgets/settings.cpp  and uncomment lines
20110816 19:20:02< sytyi> mordante #485 #495
20110816 19:22:03< mordante> sytyi, ends with a segmentation error
20110816 19:22:22< mordante> also the code needs to be integrated in a proper way
20110816 19:22:28< sytyi> mordante: yes, since schema_validator is broken
20110816 19:22:32< mordante> a run-time switch
20110816 19:24:57< sytyi> mordante: m?
20110816 19:26:10< sytyi> I wanted to make two  try{} catch(){} one to validator::error second to config error , but didn't manage. 
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20110816 19:32:29< mordante> will try another bisect on the game itself after it compiles
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20110816 19:43:51< CIA-57> sytyi * r50795 /trunk/src/serialization/schema_validator.cpp: Fixed run-rime error in class_tag:operator =()
20110816 19:44:01< sytyi> mordante: ^
20110816 19:44:05< sytyi> I know, why
20110816 19:45:04< sytyi> cause read_config was called before !!!! then root_ constructor. And in read_config root_ = created an error
20110816 19:46:28< sytyi> mordante: The r50773 broked tool 
20110816 19:49:01< mordante> sytyi, ok
20110816 19:50:14< mordante> sytyi, still bad style to leave the member uninitialized in the initializer list
20110816 19:50:45< sytyi> mordante: Initialize it with false for default ? 
20110816 19:51:56< mordante> yes
20110816 19:52:14< mordante> wesnoth now starts, should I see validation errors?
20110816 19:53:07< sytyi> mordante: yes
20110816 19:54:50< mordante> sytyi, the schema_validator still fails, without preprocessing
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20110816 19:55:34< mordante> wesnoth itself starts without any warning or error from the validator
20110816 19:56:02< sytyi> mordante: what about line 491 in settings.cpp ?
20110816 19:57:21< sytyi> mordante: did you uncomment that
20110816 19:57:31< mordante> the output http://paste.debian.net/126408/
20110816 19:58:30< mordante> I didn't, seems another commentting style as the lines before :-/
20110816 19:59:26< sytyi> mordante: Sorry, I supposed, that can be trouble.
20110816 20:01:45< mordante> ok got it working
20110816 20:02:17< mordante> we talked before about several error levels; making the errors fatal or not
20110816 20:02:40< mordante> I think for now we should at least log them and have a command-line switch to make them fatal
20110816 20:03:10< sytyi> mordante: ok.
20110816 20:04:04< sytyi> mordante: What do you mean under log them? Aren't they already logged?
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20110816 20:05:19< mordante> yes, but that can be always be enabled
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20110816 20:14:29< sytyi> mordante: Let's discuss what and now many levels schould be?
20110816 20:15:52< CIA-57> mordante * r50796 /trunk/src/tools/schema/tag.cpp: Avoid increasing a deleted iterator.
20110816 20:16:28< mordante> I think just 2 showing the warnings and making them fatal
20110816 20:17:21< mordante> for now we can keep it warnings, once the schema works perfectly they can be made optionally
20110816 20:18:09< mordante> btw also have a look at r50796
20110816 20:19:18< mordante> regarding documentation is there any documentation regarding how to update the schema file?
20110816 20:19:32< mordante> brb
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20110816 20:25:10< sytyi> mordante: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/WML_Annotation_Format#Usage_of_the_tool and I plan to write FAQ
20110816 20:25:32< mordante> ok good
20110816 20:36:59< sytyi> mordante: read please http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ValidationDesign   I will rewrite schema_generator part but I want you to look at all that's above that 
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20110816 20:44:07< Nephro> Question about "Eastern Invasion - 13. The drowned plains": The skeletal dragon is meant to be roaming around pseudo-randomly. Instead, it just moves right to the players leader and stops near the keep. I am willing to fix that, I can easily make the dragon to patrol around the map, but what is his goal in the scenario? How should he behave when spotted or attacked or smth?
20110816 20:52:40< sytyi> mordante: About the command line args - what do you think, how it will be best to do that ?
20110816 20:55:38< zookeeper> Nephro, well...
20110816 20:56:35< zookeeper> Nephro, ideally, i'd say that it should try to attack when it spots player units, but also retreat when badly threatened (for example by mages)
20110816 20:57:06< sytyi> mordante: I mean create a speacial bool flag, maybe in gui/window.hpp. Or include schema_validator.hpp to game.cpp  and create a special flag right there, and initialize schema_validator with that flag.
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20110816 20:59:12< sytyi> Espreon: hi. Can you help me to create more human readable error messages? 
20110816 21:00:20< Espreon> Sure.
20110816 21:00:24< Espreon> Gimee stuff to fix.
20110816 21:00:30< sytyi> Espreon: http://devdocs.wesnoth.org/schema__validator_8cpp_source.html#l00053 and below
20110816 21:00:52< Espreon> OK, please gimme a few minutes.
20110816 21:00:57< mordante> sytyi, reading the page
20110816 21:01:17< mordante> for the command line flag something like --strict-validation
20110816 21:01:46< mordante> I think it should be a game option look how the others are implemented
20110816 21:02:05< mordante> zaroth did some work on it during the summer not sure how exactly it changed
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20110816 21:03:40< sytyi> mordante: Maybe a special flag in validator.hpp ?
20110816 21:04:08< Espreon> sytyi: Eh, I work better with this when I work with sample output.
20110816 21:04:31< sytyi> and in all constructors of schema_validator  use that flag to initialize create_exceptions
20110816 21:04:44< sytyi> Espreon: One moment, please
20110816 21:06:02< mordante> sytyi, better where the other command line options are stored
20110816 21:09:49< mordante> sytyi, I think it's a good start
20110816 21:10:18< mordante> I know English isn't your native tongue, but maybe you can reread things to look at the grammar and style
20110816 21:10:47< mordante> also the markup could be improved to make reading it easier
20110816 21:10:54< sytyi> mordante: I will write some FAQ to explain how to start. Grammar - yes, offcourse.
20110816 21:11:50< mordante> and maybe add a new category validation and add all your pages in that category
20110816 21:11:54< sytyi> mordante: I want to finish content-making stage, and go to my teacher to fix grammar and style.
20110816 21:12:03< mordante> ok great
20110816 21:12:16< mordante> I assume you're aware this is the last week of GSoC?
20110816 21:13:38< sytyi> Espreon: http://pastebin.com/pXT5yQ2P
20110816 21:13:41< sytyi> mordante: yes,
20110816 21:14:30< sytyi> mordante: Is anything special I need to manage with, or to put more attention ?
20110816 21:15:31< mordante> finishing the documentation (both design and usage) and enable the switch in the game
20110816 21:16:23< mordante> also the stand-alone validator tool still feels rather buggy, fails without preprocessing data
20110816 21:16:54< mordante> I don't care too much about the tool, but don't like to have a buggy tool around
20110816 21:18:09< mordante> make sure all needed documentation is also easy to find, like linking to other parts of interest
20110816 21:18:39< mordante> the most important is to write information how to write a schema and how to prepare Wesnoth how to use that schema
20110816 21:18:56< mordante> that's all I can think of at the moment
20110816 21:19:22< Espreon> sytyi: Would you please give me the WML that caused those errors?
20110816 21:20:30< sytyi> mordante: ok. But I simple don'y  know why it is failing. The only idea is about default data directory
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20110816 21:20:57< sytyi> maybe it is different from svn checout, and when i run make install
20110816 21:21:07< sytyi> mordante: ^ it works.
20110816 21:22:17< sytyi> Espreon: I just filled with "tag_name" etc. Do you want to see the current validation output? 
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20110816 21:22:29< Espreon> sytyi: Yes, but I'd like the WML that you used.
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20110816 21:22:55< sytyi> data/gui/default.cfg
20110816 21:23:25< Espreon> sytyi: Yes, but is your copy the same as the one in the repository?
20110816 21:23:37< sytyi> Espreon: yes.
20110816 21:24:02< Espreon> OK.
20110816 21:24:17< sytyi> Espreon: http://pastebin.com/3adPewgB . This errors mostly are the problem of schema, not the WML.
20110816 21:24:39< sytyi> mordante: About schema. I'd like to finish it.
20110816 21:26:18< Espreon> sytyi: You sure the addon_connect.cfg you have is the same as the one in the repository?
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20110816 21:26:54< sytyi> Espreon: yes
20110816 21:27:51< Espreon> Well, the output you gave me doesn't make sense.
20110816 21:29:01< sytyi> Espreon: What can I tell you to reach an understanding
20110816 21:29:30< Espreon> The output doesn't match with the file.
20110816 21:30:32< sytyi> Espreon: the line# is the number of the tag begin not the key
20110816 21:30:46< Espreon> I know.
20110816 21:31:04< Espreon> I don't see any tags called [tag_name]
20110816 21:32:31< sytyi> Espreon: I just filled empty places with tag_name, key_name , etc 
20110816 21:32:53< sytyi> Espreon: cause not all messages are printed by validator.
20110816 21:32:54< Espreon> Well, then give me what you used.
20110816 21:35:00< mordante> sytyi, then please properly document how to use the validator regarding the data directory
20110816 21:35:10< mordante> since it still fails for me
20110816 21:35:21< mordante> (it should work without preprocessing)
20110816 21:35:42< mordante> sytyi, ok nice, will try to look at the remaining warnings later
20110816 21:36:40< sytyi> Espreon: The output is here http://pastebin.com/3adPewgB but there are not  all types of messages present. 
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20110816 21:43:07< Espreon> sytyi: http://pastebin.com/6SwCUqta ... I just need sample output with sample WML for the rest.
20110816 21:44:42< sytyi> Espreon: Can I try to explain what does "wrong" and "extra" means?
20110816 21:45:34< Espreon> Sure.
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20110816 21:49:11< sytyi> Espreon: "Wrong" - such tag or key was not allowed in this context. "Extra" - Only X tags with this name are allowed in this context, and this is N > X, which is too many. "Missing" -  X tags with name are required here, but only  N < X found, so more tags needed.
20110816 21:50:37< Espreon> OK.
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20110816 21:55:35< mordante> sytyi, more questions at the moment?
20110816 21:55:42< sytyi> mordante: nope
20110816 21:55:46< mordante> ok night
20110816 21:55:55< sytyi> mordante: good night
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20110816 21:58:21< Espreon> sytyi: http://pastebin.com/mMNpwFWE ... Note that for the first two, you'll have to use gettext plurals so that they can be translated properly.
20110816 21:58:51< sytyi> Espreon: Thank you very much.
20110816 21:59:25< Espreon> No prob.
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20110816 22:39:17< CIA-57> sytyi * r50799 /trunk/src/serialization/ (schema_validator.cpp schema_validator.hpp): Made error messages more understandable, thanks Espreon for help.
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20110816 22:47:42< sytyi> Espreon: shall I do some po magic to use sngettext() ? 
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20110816 23:37:04< Espreon> sytyi: I guess so.
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20110816 23:38:08< Espreon> sytyi: Note that we need strings like "missing tag [tag_name]; there must be 1 [tag_name] in [parent_tag]"
20110816 23:40:17< Espreon> sytyi: So, if that function is involved, yeah.
20110816 23:40:30< Espreon> *is involved with doing that and stuff, yeah
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