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20110818 00:26:23< CIA-57> sytyi * r50824 /trunk/ (11 files in 5 dirs): Added --strict-validation command line option. (Validation errors are treated as fatal)
20110818 00:29:04< sytyi> ^ please note, validation of GUI WML is not enabled yet, due to not-finished schema. But the code is written and commented out (validation errors number is over 300 for now, 18 unique, and they are printed at wesnoth start)
20110818 00:35:41< CIA-57> sytyi * r50825 /trunk/data/gui/schema.cfg: Updated GUI schema. Still not finished yet.
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20110818 01:10:12< CIA-57> loonycyborg * r50826 /trunk/src/SConscript: Updated the SConscript file.
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20110818 04:39:55< CIA-57> alarantalara * r50827 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: Make ruined castle variations work again
20110818 04:47:06< CIA-57> alarantalara * r50828 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: Delete large quantities of commented WML concerned water transistions. It is labeled as not working, and can always get it back via svn
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20110818 05:13:12< CIA-57> alarantalara * r50829 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: Draw correct sw-ne chasm bridge over swamp
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20110818 07:46:25< vultraz> http://imagebin.org/168482 small TRoW Troll Hole tentacle placement error 
20110818 07:52:06< vultraz> in 1.9
20110818 07:52:54< vultraz> either .7 or .8 I forgot :S 
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20110818 08:58:55< CIA-57> zookeeper * r50830 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Rise_Of_Wesnoth/scenarios/17c_Troll_Hole.cfg: Fixed a misplaced Tentacle of the Deep.
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20110818 09:00:47< Ivanovic> moin
20110818 09:07:16< CIA-57> zookeeper * r50831 /trunk/ (changelog data/core/units.cfg): Lowered swamp defense of the deepsea movetype from 60% to 40%.
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20110818 11:57:32< nephx> Can anyone, please, point me to the correct way of getting the turn number?
20110818 12:00:49< zookeeper> $turn_number
20110818 12:02:18< nephx> zookeeper, I meant, what C++ class method should I call?
20110818 12:03:21< zookeeper> well that's better ;)
20110818 12:05:10< nephx> Yeah, but, how do I use that? And where?
20110818 12:05:17< nephx> Totally confused atm
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20110818 13:56:49< Gwa2100> How is everyone?
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20110818 14:55:19< Alarantalara> I just noticed that the change to add SLF support to [event][remove_item] changes its behaviour enough that virtually every campaign is broken as an empty tag now matches the entire map instead of nothing
20110818 14:55:37< Alarantalara> which means that local context no longer exists
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20110818 15:00:25< zookeeper> i'd be willing to drop the old default (that no x,y means x,y=$x1,$y1), but of course existing content needs conversion and wmllint can't know if no x,y is supposed to mean $x1,$y1 or entire map.
20110818 15:01:52< Alarantalara> Should the old default also stay? Right not, you can approximate the old default with [not][/not]
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20110818 15:14:51< zookeeper> Alarantalara, if we can treat an empty SLF in a special way there so that the old default stays, then that's fine by me too.
20110818 15:15:58< Alarantalara> I've submitted a bug report so it doesn't get forgotten
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20110818 17:21:14< CIA-57> anonymissimus * r50832 /trunk/projectfiles/VC9/wesnothlib.vcproj: MSVC9 projectfiles update
20110818 17:21:26< CIA-57> anonymissimus * r50833 /trunk/projectfiles/CodeBlocks/wesnoth.cbp: CB projectfile update
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20110818 19:17:35< gabba> Hi tschmitz
20110818 19:17:49< tschmitz> gabba: Hello
20110818 19:18:03< gabba> how are things?
20110818 19:18:08< tschmitz> gabba: I'm still cleaning up my code for commit
20110818 19:18:16< tschmitz> gabba: but so far things look pretty good in general
20110818 19:18:39< tschmitz> gabba: I whipped up a whiteboard options dialog while I was waiting for multi-turn moves to compile
20110818 19:19:17< gabba> sounds like a nice extra, did you do some final bug-hunting with the multiplayer whiteboard?
20110818 19:19:51< tschmitz> gabba: Currently I'm fully occupied by getting all the kinks out of multi-turn moves, so I suppose not
20110818 19:20:28< gabba> ok, I'm a bit worried that our testing was insufficient
20110818 19:20:43< tschmitz> gabba: Most likely, yes
20110818 19:22:20< tschmitz> It's too bad I didn't read about unit testing until very recently, otherwise I might have made some so that I wouldn't now be hunting down all the mistakes I made
20110818 19:23:02< gabba> Unit testing would've been useful for me as well when developing the data structures for the wb
20110818 19:24:16< gabba> Well, time to wrap this up really
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20110818 19:25:20< gabba> tschmitz: I'm leaving on vacations on the 20th, so I'll likely not come on IRC again until ~ sep 4
20110818 19:25:31< tschmitz> gabba: I have plenty of code to commit, but I was planning on consolidating a ton of "fixup" commits before dcommitting them
20110818 19:25:50< tschmitz> gabba: Hm, so my eval is already done?
20110818 19:26:32< gabba> Can't tell, but I can't submit it yet in any case, I'll have to get internet access somehow
20110818 19:26:56< gabba> Since evals start only when the project ends
20110818 19:27:19< tschmitz> gabba: Oh, I figured they would be during this week
20110818 19:27:45< gabba> ^about fixup commits, sounds good
20110818 19:28:31< gabba> But actually I'd prefer if you commited most stuff ASAP so I can look at it before leaving, it'd be more convenient
20110818 19:28:52< gabba> as long as it's not compile-breaking or with crippling bugs of course
20110818 19:29:49< tschmitz> gabba: Would you prefer I do the consolidation now and dcommit (will take a little time), or that I send you a patch containing everything I have locally (should be instantaneous)?
20110818 19:30:30< gabba> I prefer a dcommit
20110818 19:30:49< gabba> then I can use git to help with the code history and stuff like that
20110818 19:31:38< tschmitz> gabba: OK I'll do my "git rebase -i" right now then ...
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20110818 19:31:55< gabba> tschmitz: BTW I know you'll submit an eval to google, but I won't get to read it :P
20110818 19:32:35< gabba> So, in general how did you find my mentoring, and how did you like working on this project?
20110818 19:32:44< gabba> (be honest ;) )
20110818 19:33:29< tschmitz> gabba: Why won't you get to read it?
20110818 19:33:42< gabba> I guess that's how google works
20110818 19:34:10< tschmitz> Huh? That doesn't sound accurate
20110818 19:34:16< tschmitz> You got to read the previous one didn't you?
20110818 19:34:20< tschmitz> Or you will?
20110818 19:34:35< tschmitz> No I guess you don't
20110818 19:34:43< gabba> guess it allows students to bash bad mentors without fearing retaliation or whatever - but unless I missed something I didn't get to read your previous eval
20110818 19:34:56< Ivanovic> tschmitz: mentors don't have direct access to the evals, just org admins can see everything
20110818 19:34:58< tschmitz> Right
20110818 19:35:21< tschmitz> Because the eval was for ... grading you, not feedback for you
20110818 19:35:26< tschmitz> or something
20110818 19:35:54< tschmitz> gabba: I liked working on Wesnoth
20110818 19:35:57< Ivanovic> in 99.9% of all cases the mentors will get the information from their org admins
20110818 19:38:07< tschmitz> gabba: Seemed kinda lonely though
20110818 19:38:26< Ivanovic> tschmitz: how comes?
20110818 19:38:44< tschmitz> being the only one working on my module
20110818 19:39:58< gabba> tschmitz: yeah, maybe it would've been more fun if I actually had time to code as well
20110818 19:40:22< tschmitz> though it couldn't be helped
20110818 19:40:54< gabba> But each GSoC and even coding for Wesnoth in general is pretty much like that: everybody has its area and avoids stepping on other's toes when possible
20110818 19:41:18< tschmitz> Right
20110818 19:41:34< gabba> the "lack of loneliness" comes from interacting with people, exchanging advice and experiences, and so on
20110818 19:42:12< tschmitz> I guess I'm not exactly sure how much influence the mentor is "supposed" to have on the project
20110818 19:42:15< gabba> I wasn't present at every one of your IRC discussions, so I don't know how much you interacted with other devs
20110818 19:42:33< tschmitz> somewhat
20110818 19:42:34< gabba> Depends on the project really
20110818 19:43:09< tschmitz> I suppose I'm the one who wrote the proposal, so in that sense it seems like I ought to be the uh, spearheading force
20110818 19:43:48< tschmitz> but I don't *usually* spearhead things
20110818 19:43:53< gabba> In our case I was more involved and took more decisions since I had started the WB, and I spent more time overall with you than what google recommends (5h a week)
20110818 19:44:12< tschmitz> I see
20110818 19:44:26< gabba> But yeah I tried leaving the decisions in your hands as much as I could, so you could make the project your own
20110818 19:44:36< gabba> A difficult balance
20110818 19:44:50< tschmitz> Right
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20110818 19:50:33< gabba> tschmitz: so, do you intend to stick with Wesnoth after GSoC is over?
20110818 19:51:12< tschmitz> gabba: Sure, but probably in a lesser capacity
20110818 19:51:34< gabba> that's to be expected ;)
20110818 19:51:46< tschmitz> gabba: I was thinking of working on a project of my own with the remainder of the summer, though
20110818 19:52:31< tschmitz> gabba: but yeah, there're bound to be problems with the whiteboard that'll need fixing
20110818 19:52:40< gabba> Of course it's up to you, I just wanted to have an idea of your plans
20110818 19:53:27< gabba> Best is to take a break to avoid burnout/disgust but don't wait too long before coming back to wesnoth: it's easier when the code's still fresh in your head
20110818 19:53:39< tschmitz> Aye
20110818 19:53:47< tschmitz> A break does sound good
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20110818 19:59:02< tschmitz> still rebasing -i
20110818 19:59:27< gabba> I hope you rebase that "i" good
20110818 19:59:44< gabba> (agggh, horrible pun)
20110818 20:00:48< gabba> tschmitz: I think I'll take my leave now, too much stuff to prepare
20110818 20:01:23< gabba> So, farewell!
20110818 20:01:39< tschmitz> gabba: Ah, OK
20110818 20:01:45< tschmitz> gabba: See you later
20110818 20:02:06< gabba> I enjoyed working with you, and even though I'm a bit disappointed that we didn't meet our objectives, it was worthwhile
20110818 20:02:28< tschmitz> gabba: Hah, OK;
20110818 20:02:38< tschmitz> gabba: You're not leaving leaving til the 20th, right?
20110818 20:02:51< tschmitz> gabba: And you still have my code to review
20110818 20:03:14< gabba> Nope, but I might or might not come on IRC, it's pretty time-consuming
20110818 20:03:30< gabba> I'll definitely review your code and take it into account for the eval though
20110818 20:03:51< tschmitz> gabba: All right
20110818 20:03:59< tschmitz> gabba: Well yeah it was a fun time
20110818 20:04:29< gabba> See you around then, enjoy a quieter end-of-summer
20110818 20:04:36< tschmitz> gabba: Same to you.
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20110818 20:40:03< vultraz> http://imagebin.org/168569 small error in NR The Pursuit. The naga gets placed in a cave wall :P
20110818 20:46:55< vultraz> http://imagebin.org/168570 http://imagebin.org/168571 two small (I guess they are, unless its intentional) in the dialogue after NR Old Friend (I think) :P 
20110818 20:47:01< vultraz> small errors*
20110818 20:50:31< Ivanovic> vultraz: just add them in the wiki: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SpellingMistakes
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20110818 20:52:36< vultraz> ah ok
20110818 20:53:15< vultraz> actually I'm not sure I can...isn;t your forum account different from the wiki account?
20110818 20:53:21< vultraz> BTW what about the naga
20110818 20:53:26< Ivanovic> you need a different account
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20110818 20:56:52< vultraz> :S
20110818 20:57:04< vultraz> that...is't...nice
20110818 20:57:54< Ivanovic> two completely different systems (intentionally, too!), two different accounts
20110818 20:58:02< vultraz> :P
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20110818 21:47:46< CIA-57> timotei * r50838 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/Makefile: 
20110818 21:47:46< CIA-57> eclipse plugin: Don't enumerate specific eclipse
20110818 21:47:46< CIA-57> plugins but rather use all available. Also,
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20110818 22:12:24< sytyi> mordante: ^
20110818 22:13:01< loonycyborg> sytyi: Be sure to update scons if you add more sourcefiles.
20110818 22:13:20< sytyi> loonycyborg: ok, sorry for previous time
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20110818 23:20:07< CIA-57> elias * r50841 /trunk/data/tools/ (unit_tree/style.css wmlunits): [units.wesnoth.org] Adjusted unit-info CSS to look a bit more like ancestral's bestiary.
20110818 23:20:34< elias> wesbot: seen ancestral
20110818 23:20:34< wesbot> elias: The person with the nick ancestral 1d 20h ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Quit: And that’s the end of THAT chapter.
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