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20110822 11:53:59< CIA-57> tschmitz * r50875 /trunk/src/whiteboard/side_actions.cpp: Fixed crash on "bump later".
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20110822 12:06:50< CIA-57> tschmitz * r50876 /trunk/src/whiteboard/ (manager.cpp manager.hpp): Eliminated confirmation dialog when ending turn with multi-turn plans.
20110822 12:07:11< CIA-57> tschmitz * r50877 /trunk/src/whiteboard/mapbuilder.cpp: Fixed bug with out-of-turn planning (from multi-turn moves commit).
20110822 12:07:21< CIA-57> tschmitz * r50878 /trunk/src/whiteboard/ (mapbuilder.cpp mapbuilder.hpp): 
20110822 12:07:21< CIA-57> Maybe fixed a bug with invalid/multi-turn actions.
20110822 12:07:21< CIA-57> Refactored mapbuilder::visit().
20110822 12:07:38< CIA-57> tschmitz * r50879 /trunk/src/whiteboard/ (8 files): 
20110822 12:07:38< CIA-57> Fixed 2 bugs.
20110822 12:07:38< CIA-57> Fixed: planning multi-turn moves that conflict with allies at some point.
20110822 12:07:38< CIA-57> Fixed: crash when planning multi-turn moves through the fog.
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20110822 12:29:36< enchilado> Is it planned that there will be a mainline campaign (or campaigns) about the Khalifate?
20110822 12:30:31< Ivanovic> enchilado: so far there are no campaigns using those units
20110822 12:30:43< Ivanovic> until there is a good campaign using those, there will be no such thing in mainline
20110822 12:31:01< Ivanovic> usually campaigns are developed outside of wesnoth mainline and we "just" include the good ones in mainline
20110822 12:31:12< Ivanovic> (the good ones also meeting additional criteria)
20110822 12:31:51< enchilado> But if there was a good Khalifate campaign, it's possible that it would be considered for inclusion in mainline Wesnoth?
20110822 12:32:26< enchilado> I want to make a campaign that would be mainline-suitable (even if it would never actually be included)
20110822 12:33:05< enchilado> The story I had was difficult to fit in with Wesnoth's history, but it just occurred to me that the Khalifate presumably have a lot less of their history written
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20110822 16:19:05< Professor_Max> On the forums, beetlenaut said that maybe I should redo all of the icons on the continent map. I was interested to see if anybody had any preferences or ideas if I do.
20110822 16:19:44< enchilado> All of them? Most look fine to me
20110822 16:20:13< Professor_Max> I thin it was so that they would all be in the same style.
20110822 16:20:36< Professor_Max> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=34025&start=15
20110822 16:22:22< enchilado> FWIW, I prefer the style of the current icons to yours
20110822 16:23:16< enchilado> Professor_Max: also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raster_graphics
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20110822 16:26:29< Professor_Max> They are better, yes.
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20110822 16:27:28< Professor_Max> And thanks for the link.
20110822 16:28:03< enchilado> So if you think the current ones are better, why would you redo them in your style?
20110822 16:29:37< Professor_Max> I wouldn't, but Beetlenaut sugested it, as I was atempting to add a camp icon, and it doesn't match yet.
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20110822 16:30:37< Professor_Max> BTW, I don't really have a style, as this is the first serious piece of pixel art I've done.
20110822 16:31:05< enchilado> By 'your style' I meant 'the style of the icon you drew'
20110822 16:32:53< Professor_Max> I see. It's just that with the current style, it is very hard to draw a camp icon to match.
20110822 16:34:55< enchilado> I wouldn't think so.
20110822 16:35:24< enchilado> Use the same colours, the same perspective, the same flag (it seems to be identical on all icons), the same sort of shadowing around the base of it...
20110822 16:35:33< enchilado> You wouldn't be able to put stripes on the tent.
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20110822 16:41:36< Professor_Max> I was also thinking of having several colours of icons, so the motion of allies and the enemy could be traced.
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20110822 16:49:53< Professor_Max> Removing the stripes would make it veny hard to 'read' as a text.
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20110822 16:50:58< Professor_Max> And my icon is too large as it is, using the current flag would make it far too large.
20110822 16:52:12< enchilado> Can't you make it smaller?
20110822 16:55:27< Professor_Max> As far as my not very artistic understandings go, that is very hard. Also, the flag isn't the same style as the other icons.
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20110822 17:08:14< Professor_Max> So if I am going to redo the camp icon in hopefully the same style, what should it look like? Two crossed swords is a very common symbol on maps, I don't know what a symbolic camp whould look like.
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20110822 18:23:02< tschmitz> Hi boucman
20110822 18:23:16< boucman> hey
20110822 18:23:50< tschmitz> boucman: gabba wanted me to ask someone who compiles Wesnoth on linux to try out the whiteboard
20110822 18:24:05< boucman> sure
20110822 18:24:19< tschmitz> Great
20110822 18:24:25< boucman> updating now
20110822 18:24:33< boucman> you'll guide me on whatever you want me to test
20110822 18:25:08< tschmitz> Finding the bug report ...
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20110822 18:27:25< tschmitz> boucman: https://gna.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=18525
20110822 18:28:44< tschmitz> boucman: In any case, apparently the process to reproduce the bug is to make a few planned recruits and then move the mouse around over them and the leader
20110822 18:30:54< tschmitz> boucman: It was also in a multiplayer game, so better do that too just to be sure
20110822 18:32:53< boucman> ok
20110822 18:37:39< boucman> tschmitz: missing feature : you can't plan an action with a unit that you plan to recruit but havn't recruited yet (i.e multi turn planning with new recruits)
20110822 18:38:37< tschmitz> boucman: Yeah that's true. At least it doesn't crash anymore though, I think
20110822 18:38:55< boucman> ok, just something to keep in mind...
20110822 18:38:58< tschmitz> boucman: Can't reproduce gabba's bug?
20110822 18:39:05< boucman> not yet
20110822 18:39:16< tschmitz> That's good
20110822 18:39:43< tschmitz> I almost wish you could have tested it before I committed my fix, too, to see if my fix was what fixed it
20110822 18:40:12< tschmitz> On the other hand, maybe thonsew fixed it
20110822 18:40:25< tschmitz> I really have no idea
20110822 18:40:30< boucman> tschmitz: UI clarity idea... out of turn arrows should be of a different style, it's quite hard to see what you plan for this turn vs what's future planning
20110822 18:40:43< boucman> tschmitz: was it easy to reproduce ?
20110822 18:42:13< tschmitz> boucman: I never managed to reproduce it
20110822 18:42:21< boucman> mkay...
20110822 18:42:29< tschmitz> So ...
20110822 18:42:33< boucman> well, I can't reproduce, so...
20110822 18:42:48< tschmitz> Let's just take it as a good sign
20110822 18:43:14< boucman> I guess you should ask gabba if he can reproduce, and if not mark it as fixed...
20110822 18:43:25< tschmitz> Yeah ...
20110822 18:43:32< tschmitz> boucman: He's on vacation I believe
20110822 18:43:37< boucman> ok
20110822 18:44:01< tschmitz> I'm sure he'll try to at some point
20110822 18:44:35< boucman> are planned moves saved in save games and/or replays ?
20110822 18:44:38< Crendgrim> tschmitz: not reproducable here as well
20110822 18:44:59< tschmitz> Crendgrim: Thank you for trying it
20110822 18:45:10< tschmitz> boucman: No they are not
20110822 18:45:17< boucman> ok
20110822 18:45:28< boucman> it would be cool, but in no way required... 
20110822 18:45:40< boucman> how solid is planning at this point
20110822 18:45:48< boucman> it looked pretty good at first sight
20110822 18:46:21< tschmitz> boucman: It ... seems OK
20110822 18:46:30< boucman> :)
20110822 18:46:37< boucman> even in network ? 
20110822 18:46:39< tschmitz> I'm not super confident
20110822 18:46:47 * boucman has only followed your work from afar...
20110822 18:46:59< tschmitz> Yeah the network part was quite easy by comparison with the multi-turn part
20110822 18:47:13< boucman> ok, that's cool
20110822 18:47:22 * boucman would love to see planning as obs :)
20110822 18:47:43< tschmitz> I spent much too long on the latter and squished my bugfixing time as a result
20110822 18:47:51< boucman> and how practical is it for planning during your oponents turn ?
20110822 18:48:19< tschmitz> Should work quite nicely; I'm pretty sure gabba had that in already
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20110822 18:48:38< boucman> great
20110822 18:48:49< boucman> that was one of the point of WB, that and getting rid of undo
20110822 18:49:00< tschmitz> Aye
20110822 18:49:18< tschmitz> boucman: You can try typing :wbo as well
20110822 18:49:26< boucman> what's that ?
20110822 18:49:32< tschmitz> whiteboard_options
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20110822 18:50:13< boucman> tschmitz: about the bug, was it MP vs computer or MP vs another player ?
20110822 18:50:41< tschmitz> boucman: From bug report: "To reproduce just start a network game and plan a few recruits, then move your cursor around, especially over the leader."
20110822 18:50:55< tschmitz> so I don't know
20110822 18:50:59< boucman> ok, so not clear but probably doesn't matter
20110822 18:51:09< tschmitz> hopefully
20110822 18:51:24< boucman> tschmitz: you can probably move wb options with normal options, maybe adding a shortcut to toggle it...
20110822 18:52:06< tschmitz> I threw that options dialog in as a "bonus" feature to get in before the end of GSoC ...
20110822 18:52:59< tschmitz> I have 2 hours left.
20110822 18:53:06< boucman> I can't see that many cases where you don't want to see your ally's moves, but well...
20110822 18:53:09< boucman> :)
20110822 18:53:19< boucman> hopefully you'll stay with us after that :P
20110822 18:53:36< tschmitz> gabba wanted it in case your ally is an idiot
20110822 18:53:43< boucman> good point
20110822 18:53:48< tschmitz> and tries to make it hardd for uyou to play
20110822 18:54:00< tschmitz> especially with the Suppose Dead feature I added
20110822 18:54:02< boucman> in 2h, you might have time to do a new style of arrows for out of turn moves :P
20110822 18:54:38< tschmitz> heh yeah maybe ... I don't know how to write a script that modifies a group of images though
20110822 18:54:56< boucman> neither do I, I did the original arows one by one using gimp...
20110822 18:55:08< tschmitz> I did the same thing for the invalid style
20110822 18:55:23< boucman> I gues you should transform them into dotted arrows by making some sections transparent, that should suffice
20110822 18:55:27< tschmitz> Sure, I got it down to muscle memory repetition pretty quickly, but it was kinda annoying
20110822 18:55:39< tschmitz> Have you seen the invalid arrows?
20110822 18:56:01< boucman> nope, not easy to do on a one turn test game :P
20110822 18:56:06< boucman> how can I see them ?
20110822 18:56:23< boucman> just tell me in what directory the images are :P
20110822 18:56:26< tschmitz> you can make one by moving a unit, moving a second unit into the place where the previous one stood, and deleting the first move
20110822 18:56:33< tschmitz> um
20110822 18:56:39< boucman> ok
20110822 18:56:41< tschmitz> wherever the other arrows are ... let's see
20110822 18:56:51< boucman> i'll do your trick
20110822 18:56:53< boucman> that's fine
20110822 18:56:53< tschmitz> OK
20110822 18:57:27< boucman> oh
20110822 18:57:42< boucman> that was my idea for out of turn move... will have to find something else
20110822 18:57:55< boucman> however it's very clear from a redability point of view :P
20110822 18:58:04< tschmitz> As it happens, I got the alignment wrong on those stripes
20110822 18:58:15< tschmitz> but fortunately it's hard to tell
20110822 18:59:00< boucman> tschmitz: we're not artists... once it's used they'll porbably redo them way better
20110822 18:59:13< tschmitz> Yeah hopefully
20110822 19:04:16< tschmitz> Thanks for testing that for me, boucman.
20110822 19:04:33< boucman> np
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20110822 20:09:09< CIA-57> elias * r50880 /trunk/data/tools/ (unit_tree/style.css wmlunits): [units.wesnoth.org] fix translations
20110822 20:15:23< CIA-57> ivanovic * r50881 /trunk/po/ (9 files in 9 dirs): updated Greek and Indonesian translation
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20110822 20:31:59< mordante> servus
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20110822 20:36:54< Ivanovic> hi mordante
20110822 20:36:58< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20110822 20:37:50< Ivanovic> tschmitz: looks like evals for students are already open
20110822 20:38:16< Ivanovic> crab_, fendrin, gabba, mordante: evals for mentors should open in about 25min
20110822 20:38:28< tschmitz> Ivanovic: Thanks. I'll get on it after 25 minutes
20110822 20:43:49< Sytyi> mordante: hi
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20110822 20:43:50< mordante> hi Sytyi 
20110822 20:43:57< mordante> Sytyi, reading the wiki
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20110822 21:04:44< Ivanovic> all evals are open now!
20110822 21:06:18< Crab___> that's good
20110822 21:07:29< Crab___> the 'hard deadline' is friday 26h August 19:00 utc ?
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20110822 21:32:44< mordante> Sytyi, did you already enable the validation code?
20110822 21:32:55< Sytyi> mordante: no.
20110822 21:33:07< Sytyi> There are too many validation errors.
20110822 21:33:47< Sytyi> I suppose  that so many error messages while running trunk version will confuse other developers
20110822 21:34:20< mordante> :-(
20110822 21:36:10< Sytyi> mordante: When you you'll have time, let's sit and finish schema together
20110822 21:37:35< mordante> ok, do you have time tomorrow?
20110822 21:37:41< Sytyi> yes.
20110822 21:37:48< Sytyi> no problem
20110822 21:37:53< mordante> ok then let's do it tomorrow
20110822 21:38:17< mordante> seems wesnoth fails to start for me ... /me looks at tschmitz 
20110822 21:39:38< Sytyi> mordante: ok, can you say the tme, cause I want to visit teacher to check wiki for mistakes
20110822 21:40:12< tschmitz> mordante: I dunno what's up
20110822 21:40:41< tschmitz> I was working 'til the last second, but didn't commit any of that stuff since it would probably break everything
20110822 21:41:38< mordante> tschmitz, you were lucky it works the code has undefined behaviour
20110822 21:42:04< tschmitz> mordante: So which commit?
20110822 21:42:08< mordante> Sytyi, UTC 19:00
20110822 21:42:14< Sytyi> ok.
20110822 21:43:07< mordante> tschmitz, no idea. /whiteboard/side_actions.cpp:818 the initialization of the side_actions::null
20110822 21:43:19< mordante> it copies a singular iterator
20110822 21:43:41< tschmitz> singular?
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20110822 21:44:01< mordante> is the contents pointer a flag whether or not the iterator is valid?
20110822 21:44:18< mordante> a singular iterator doesn't point to any container
20110822 21:44:45< mordante> eg »std::vector<int>::iterator foo;« is singular
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20110822 21:45:06< tschmitz> mordante: Yes I check contents_ == NULL to determine whether base_ was ever given a non-singular iterator
20110822 21:45:23< mordante> then doing »std::vector<int>::iterator bar = foo;« results in undefined behaviour
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20110822 21:45:56< tschmitz> that seems strange
20110822 21:46:07< tschmitz> not even built-in types have a weird rule like that
20110822 21:46:33< tschmitz> Or do they?
20110822 21:47:21< mordante> true (not 100% sure about a floating point value with a signaling NaN)
20110822 21:48:26< mordante> and I agree the rule is odd, but I didn't invent that rule
20110822 21:48:54< mordante> a singular iterator may only be assigned to with a valid iterator all other operations are forbidden
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20110822 21:50:06< mordante> quoting from http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/trivial.html "A Trivial Iterator may have a singular value, meaning that the results of most operations, including comparison for equality, are undefined. The only operation that is guaranteed to be supported is assigning a nonsingular iterator to a singular iterator."
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20110822 21:53:26< Sytyi> mordante: Anything else you'd like to do ?
20110822 21:53:47< mordante> Sytyi, didn't you get my email regarding some of the issues left in the schema?
20110822 21:53:58< mordante> [grid]id still gives warnings
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20110822 21:54:42< Sytyi> Yes, byt there were no attachments.
20110822 21:55:32< Sytyi> mordante: Only numbers of commits.
20110822 21:55:45< mordante> ah ok, then you should have told me :-(
20110822 21:56:11< Sytyi> mordante: Looks like I wanted to ask you in irc and then forgot.
20110822 21:56:34< Sytyi> Was there any additional info about grid::id?
20110822 21:56:38< mordante> ah ok
20110822 21:56:45< mordante> will look for the attachment
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20110822 21:58:01< CIA-57> mordante * r50882 /trunk/src/whiteboard/side_actions.hpp: Fix copying a singular iterator.
20110822 21:58:03< mordante> tschmitz, ^ please review
20110822 21:59:22< tschmitz> mordante: That doesn't fix the problem
20110822 21:59:46< tschmitz> base_t(base_t()) still copies a singular iterator
20110822 22:00:02< tschmitz> I was about to commit a different solution
20110822 22:00:32< mordante> gcc is happy now, but if you want to fix it differently feel free to do so
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20110822 22:04:39< mordante> Sytyi, resend the attachment would be nice if you manage to fix it before tomorrow
20110822 22:04:39< Sytyi> mordante: Cool! 
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20110822 22:07:34< mordante> I'm off night
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20110822 22:12:05< tschmitz> mordante: If 'base' is a singular iterator I really don't see how initializing from 'base' would be any different from initializing from 'base_t()'
20110822 22:12:25< tschmitz> Hey he's gone
20110822 22:12:51< Ivanovic> yes, it is past 10pm and he probably has to work tomorrow
20110822 22:13:01< Ivanovic> that's why he said "[22:07:21] <mordante> I'm off night"
20110822 22:13:31< tschmitz> Yes but i was disconnected when he said that ... oh well
20110822 22:14:33< timotei> Ah... GSoC is done already? :(
20110822 22:14:37< timotei> It passed way too quick
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20110822 22:14:39< anonymissimus> zookeeper: any idea what happens if the global traits contain a trait with duplicate id= ?
20110822 22:15:12< anonymissimus> that is, teh same trait twice
20110822 22:15:26< zookeeper> anonymissimus, err, no idea really. why?
20110822 22:15:58< Ivanovic> timotei: but of course you can continue contributing!
20110822 22:16:05< timotei> Ivanovic: sure :)
20110822 22:16:12< anonymissimus> well I want to expose global traits in the lua interface and as far as I see the engine does never check for it, thats a problem
20110822 22:17:21< timotei> fendrin: Just wanting to let you know: I have an exam on 1 september... so I won't be around till I finish with it
20110822 22:17:34< timotei> so don't think I've left :P
20110822 22:18:04< zookeeper> anonymissimus, well, all i can say is that i don't see any reason why duplicate id's would need to be supported
20110822 22:18:25< fendrin> timotei: okay
20110822 22:18:50< timotei> fendrin: this year GSoC went better than last time. Maybe because I knew the xtext/eclipse framework better :D
20110822 22:19:08< timotei> at least the next super custom programming language I'll invent will have eclipse ide support :))
20110822 22:19:09< timotei> hehe
20110822 22:19:29< fendrin> :-)
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20110822 22:23:03< anonymissimus> zookeeper: ok yes, I can recruit strong, strong units xD
20110822 22:26:15< anonymissimus> zookeeper: well, the worst thing that can probably happen is that the definition read first gets overwritten with the one written later so I guess I just ignore this
20110822 22:32:15< sytyi> Ivanovic: hi. Can you explain what can/schould I do now, after GSoC s finished? Can leave for a week or there are some things I schould not miss?
20110822 22:32:53< Ivanovic> sytyi: your next personal thing to do is (now that you filled your survey) submit the sourcecode to google
20110822 22:33:16< Ivanovic> have a look at the timeline / student mailing list regarding how and when to do so
20110822 22:34:41< Ivanovic> and of course you can continue coding things for wesnoth, you don't have to stop now that gsoc is officially done
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20110822 22:34:53< Ivanovic> (that is: you do have full developer permissions)
20110822 22:35:05< Ivanovic> but yeah, you can also take some holidays
20110822 22:36:25< sytyi> Ivanovic: thank you. Unfortunately, my holidays will wait until I help my family to manage on  farm. :-) And I have some ideas about future of validation. :)
20110822 22:36:52< Ivanovic> you know, some people *do* call working on a farm holidays
20110822 22:37:11< Ivanovic> though most doing the work regulary will say "folks can be crazy!"
20110822 22:37:43< sytyi> Ivanovic: yes.
20110822 22:38:16< sytyi> I prefer to help my parents in archaelgical expeditions :-)
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20110822 22:48:04< timotei> sytyi: I wish I could work on a farm too :(
20110822 22:48:24< sytyi> timotei: It depends on the farm, as for me
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20110822 23:12:28< sytyi> mordante: managed with grid::id and some little things
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20110822 23:45:58< CIA-57> sytyi * r50883 /trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Updated schema markup for GUI WML
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20110822 23:51:22< timotei> night
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