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I believe that multiplying some values by negative numbers (like in [resistance]) makes sense. 20110826 00:30:10< zookeeper> well, sure it would be better if negative values worked. 20110826 00:30:37< zookeeper> but apparently just reverting the fix doesn't make them work. 20110826 00:31:04< Espreon> Well, that should just be for modifying the number of strikes. 20110826 00:31:08-!- crimson_pingvin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 00:31:09-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110826 00:31:09-!- crimson_pingvin is now known as crimson_penguin 20110826 00:31:17< Espreon> The testcase I presented involved changing the number of strikes. 20110826 00:32:16< Espreon> I guess I'll check if it works in [resistance]... 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09:12:20< Ivanovic> moin 20110826 09:15:03-!- Nephro [~neph@80.233.231.12] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 09:18:59< CIA-57> jetryl * r50914 /trunk/data/core/images/units/human-peasants/ (12 files): Aligned ruffian frames with base frame, and standardized its base-frame's shadow. 20110826 09:34:02-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@emerch3.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110826 09:41:54-!- tschmitz [18827665@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.130.118.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20110826 09:43:48-!- tschmitz [18827665@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.130.118.101] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 09:47:42-!- happygrue [~George@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110826 09:48:11-!- happygrue [~George@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 09:52:46-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 10:00:30-!- loonybot [~loonybot@46.138.72.119] has joined 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20110826 10:25:44< Ivanovic> zookeeper: the report details are just "lets have an eye on this one" 20110826 10:35:27< Ivanovic> AI0867, elias, esr, fendrin, hopman-, loonycyborg, Nephro, noy, Rhonda, shadowmaster, Soliton, tschmitz, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: what do you think about the next dev release this weekend? 20110826 10:35:58< Ivanovic> are there any blockers or things you still want/have to work on before 1.9.9 can be tagged? 20110826 10:36:04< esr> Ivanovic: Nop issues pending. 20110826 10:36:07-!- EdB [~edb@89.82.194.231] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 10:36:53< tschmitz> Weekend sounds good 20110826 10:37:15< Ivanovic> tschmitz: "weekend" means tomorrow or sunday 20110826 10:37:36< Ivanovic> so sometime in the next ~56h 20110826 10:38:02< tschmitz> K 20110826 10:38:41< esr> Ivanovic: I may be unavailable due to hurricane conditions. <- Yes, I just said that. 20110826 10:39:15< Ivanovic> esr: you *could* run your scripts for checking lots of stuff, uhm, now? 20110826 10:39:22-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 10:39:29< Ivanovic> so that you are not hurt this badly due to the hurricane fallout 20110826 10:40:17< esr> I think we're currently clean, but I'll check. 20110826 10:40:35< Ivanovic> thanks 20110826 10:41:24< esr> And I'm not actually very worried. 60 miles inland on high ground. Could get ugly as near as 20 miles east of me, though, if the storm goes where the weather people think it will. 20110826 10:43:03< Ivanovic> hmm, 20 miles aka ~30km is some distance 20110826 10:43:22< Ivanovic> okay, in the US this is probably just the distance you have to travel to reach your neighbor next door 20110826 10:43:39< esr> Ivanovic: Something like that. :-) 20110826 10:44:12< Ivanovic> while over here i can reach several hundred thousand people within a 30km radius 20110826 10:44:31< tschmitz> some of us in the US can touch both our own house and our neighbor's house at the same time 20110826 10:44:47< esr> So can I, but we don't think of 20 miles as far away here. 20110826 10:44:49< Ivanovic> tschmitz: this is *possible*? 20110826 10:45:27< esr> Ivanovic: Yes, in built-up areas, mainly cities and tract housing. 20110826 10:45:28< Ivanovic> over here anything that is further aways than say 10km is a valid reason to use the motorways 20110826 10:45:47< Ivanovic> though yeah, 30km does not count as "really much" but is some distance 20110826 10:45:49< tschmitz> Hm, I dunno if they frequently build separate buildings that close together, but ... 20110826 10:45:57< Ivanovic> can easily take you >=30mins drive 20110826 10:46:45< esr> Anyway, I'm not likely to see more than hard winds and drenching rain, but I won't be surprised if electrical power goes out for a good while. 20110826 10:46:58< tschmitz> Stay safe, in any case. 20110826 10:47:17< Ivanovic> don't go out for sword practice! 20110826 10:47:44< Ivanovic> okay, over here it is *really* seldom that there is a loss of electrical power 20110826 10:48:02< esr> We've got our food and bottled water and flashlight and medkit. And of course guns in case it turns into an apocalyptic nightmare. :-) 20110826 10:48:05< Ivanovic> our nets tend to be really stable *and* most power lines are underground beside those long distance ones 20110826 10:48:28< Ivanovic> esr: are you aware of the zombie apocalypse precautions, too? 20110826 10:48:48< esr> Ivanovic: I am offended that you should doubt it. :-) 20110826 10:49:00< Ivanovic> that is: always have an axe at hand in case there is no ammo left to shoot in heads 20110826 10:49:14< Ivanovic> and whenever possible decapitate the head using the axe to conserve ammo 20110826 10:49:14< tschmitz> K good night you two 20110826 10:49:19< tschmitz> esr: May we speak again. 20110826 10:49:32< esr> I favor a chainsaw myself. Jickin it Doom style. 20110826 10:49:38< tschmitz> aka don't die 20110826 10:49:40< tschmitz> or zombify 20110826 10:49:51< esr> s/Jickin/Kickin'/ 20110826 10:49:53< Ivanovic> esr: the downside of the chainsaw is the noise 20110826 10:50:03< Rhonda> Ivanovic: Might be useful. 20110826 10:50:04< Ivanovic> plus it needs some time to power up when it was off 20110826 10:50:21< Ivanovic> because of this i prefer the sledge hammer and the axe 20110826 10:50:35< Rhonda> Ivanovic: And yes, there is something I want before 1.9.9 to work: cmake should support sparc/mips/mipsel/armel 20110826 10:50:45< esr> Ivanovic: Have you ever seen or played the game "Power Grid"? 20110826 10:50:56< Ivanovic> Rhonda: what has to be changed for this to happen? 20110826 10:51:08< Ivanovic> Rhonda: i know that i can crosscompile for arm using the cmake recipe 20110826 10:51:13< Rhonda> No clue, it worked with autotools that got removed from some obscure reason. 20110826 10:51:16< Ivanovic> esr: the name does not ring a bell 20110826 10:51:29< Ivanovic> Rhonda: what command are you using and what were you using? 20110826 10:51:45< Rhonda> I used configure && make, now I use cmake 20110826 10:51:53< Ivanovic> Rhonda: like i said, building for the pandora (which is some cortex chip) works 20110826 10:52:06< Rhonda> armel != arm 20110826 10:52:23< Rhonda> https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=wesnoth-1.9 has the failed build logs linked 20110826 10:52:36< Ivanovic> Rhonda: yeah, i just say that cross compilation *is* possible 20110826 10:52:40< Rhonda> /build/buildd-wesnoth-1.9_1.9.8-1-armel-Rmg7Ge/wesnoth-1.9-1.9.8/src/network_worker.cpp:603: undefined reference to `SDLNet_Read32' 20110826 10:52:48< Rhonda> It's not cross compilation 20110826 10:52:53< Rhonda> It's compiling on bare metal 20110826 10:53:15< Rhonda> And I guess your arm is endian big, not endian little? 20110826 10:54:03< esr> Ivanovic: It's a multiplayer game simulating competition among power companies to light up cities. Derived from a German game called Funkenschlag, which is why I thought of it in connection with you. Very popular among Eurogamers here. You grok "Eurogames"? 20110826 10:54:18< Ivanovic> Rhonda: and it was directly broken when switching from autotools to cmake? 20110826 10:54:27< Ivanovic> or were some commits in between that might have broken it? 20110826 10:54:28< Rhonda> Yes. 20110826 10:55:22< Rhonda> Ivanovic: I didn't test whether 1.9.3 would also have b0rked with cmake, if that's what you want to know. But I could try to give that a test. 20110826 10:55:40< Ivanovic> Rhonda: i know that in this timeframe was a change of network related stuff 20110826 10:56:11< Ivanovic> i *can* imagine that those changes break some things for "not so common" platforms 20110826 10:56:15< Rhonda> I think I can try it then. 20110826 10:56:22< Ivanovic> would be great, thanks 20110826 10:56:41< Ivanovic> hmm, what is the exact error message for mips? 20110826 10:56:49< Ivanovic> i just see the error2, not error1 20110826 10:57:45< Ivanovic> ah, okay, the same one 20110826 10:58:35< Nephro> Ivanovic, everything I am/was working on is complete for a release(at least, Crab_ didn't point out smth to be redone) 20110826 10:59:44< Ivanovic> Nephro: good 20110826 11:00:34< Nephro> but I don't really understand the idea for the dev releases, though 20110826 11:00:47< Ivanovic> Nephro: they are releases 20110826 11:00:52< Ivanovic> simply as that 20110826 11:01:00< Ivanovic> and we have two series, the stable and the development 20110826 11:01:43< Nephro> Is the dev release something meant for players, who like bleeding edge soft? Because the devs just usually get the source through svn 20110826 11:03:25< Ivanovic> yes, it is for players 20110826 11:03:27< zookeeper> yes 20110826 11:03:30< Ivanovic> and to get some more testing from those 20110826 11:05:19< Nephro> When do you usually do stable releases? 20110826 11:09:00-!- hhyloc [~hhyloc@113.166.157.148] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 11:14:00< Ivanovic> after a rather longish stabilization time 20110826 11:14:18< Ivanovic> eventually i announce my plans on the dev ml regarding when i *hope* to release a new stable series 20110826 11:14:29< Ivanovic> which tends to be several month away when writing the mail 20110826 11:28:08-!- yenloc [~hhyloc@113.166.157.148] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 11:32:01-!- hhyloc [~hhyloc@113.166.157.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20110826 11:33:24-!- dtiger [~dtiger@dynamic-vpdn-93-125-13-200.telecom.by] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 11:46:53-!- dtiger [~dtiger@dynamic-vpdn-93-125-13-200.telecom.by] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110826 11:48:05-!- yenloc [~hhyloc@113.166.157.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20110826 11:56:12< Ivanovic> Rhonda: die 1.9.2 hat also noch gebaut? 20110826 11:56:40< Ivanovic> (in der version hat silene nen "#undef SDLNet_Read32" eingeführt) 20110826 11:58:59< Ivanovic> besides it would be nice to get the linker output once from "working autotools" as well as once from "broken cmake" 20110826 11:59:10< Ivanovic> maybe this helps nailing down what is going wrong 20110826 12:02:48< loonycyborg> #undef SDLNet_Read32 ? 20110826 12:03:17< loonycyborg> If it's in our code then this seems to be rather moronic thing to do.. 20110826 12:06:23< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&revision=47336 20110826 12:08:22< loonycyborg> That doesn't explain WHY did he want to avoid it.. 20110826 12:10:49< loonycyborg> If he didn't want macros he could use ntohl() instead. 20110826 12:11:42< Rhonda> Ivanovic: 1.9.3 hat auch noch gebaut, ja 20110826 12:11:56< Rhonda> Mit 1.9.4 bin ich auf cmake umgestiegen. 20110826 12:12:18< Rhonda> http://packages.debian.org/sid/wesnoth-1.9-core 20110826 12:12:31< Ivanovic> Rhonda: es wäre echt klasse den kompletten buildlog einer der beiden architekturen zum einen mit autotools zum anderen mit cmake zu bekommen 20110826 12:12:33< Rhonda> Da siehst du unten die Versionen auf den verschiedenen Architekturen, und oben das changelog verlinkt 20110826 12:12:52< Rhonda> beiden? vier :) 20110826 12:13:00< Rhonda> armel, mips, mipsel und sparc sind betroffen 20110826 12:13:13< Ivanovic> Rhonda: naja, da der "fehler" immer der gleiche ist gehe ich davon aus, dass es eine änderung ist, die nötig ist 20110826 12:13:17< Rhonda> Also ich soll den 1.9.3er Source mit cmake versuchen zu bauen? 20110826 12:13:24< Ivanovic> wäre klasse 20110826 12:13:40< Rhonda> Gut, werd ich mir am Wochenende auf die Agenda schreiben 20110826 12:13:47< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: no idea why, i just know that he added this 20110826 12:16:39-!- Elvish_Hunter [6d3598e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.53.152.224] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 12:20:01< CIA-57> elvish_hunter * r50915 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Added new music track 'Battle Epic' by Doug Kaufman. This track was floating around from 2007, but never got committed until now 20110826 12:30:42-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@dtmd-4d05297f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 12:30:42-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@dtmd-4d05297f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Changing host] 20110826 12:30:42-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 12:33:15-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20110826 12:34:38-!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic 20110826 12:37:23-!- stikonas [~quassel@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 12:47:26-!- mordante [~mordante@87.215.201.26] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 12:47:28< mordante> servus 20110826 12:48:58 * mordante fragt sich ab, ob er das Protokoll von #wesnoth-de oder #wesnoth-dev liest 20110826 12:49:37< mordante> Rhonda, vielleicht habe ich am Sonntag Zeit 20110826 12:49:42-!- Cookiee [~quassel@unaffiliated/cookiee] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20110826 12:49:50-!- Elvish_Hunter [6d3598e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.53.152.224] has quit [Quit: Ciao!] 20110826 12:57:56< Rhonda> mordante: Im Zweifelsfall liest du eine Mischung von beidem 20110826 13:00:36-!- stikonas [~quassel@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110826 13:07:09< mordante> :-) 20110826 13:36:04< Ivanovic> mordante: #wesnoth-dev-semi_de 20110826 13:36:07< Ivanovic> ;) 20110826 13:39:08-!- Vorpal [~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 13:44:24< mordante> :-) 20110826 13:56:45-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@dtmd-4db2cb64.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 13:56:45-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@dtmd-4db2cb64.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Changing host] 20110826 13:56:45-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 13:58:37-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20110826 13:58:42-!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic 20110826 14:02:43-!- EdB [~edb@89.82.194.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110826 14:02:52< fendrin> esr: I think Eurogames are tabletop games that focus on a gamestyle that works more parallel. 20110826 14:03:35< esr> fendrin: I play them a lot. Not "parallel" exactly, but usually multiplayer. 20110826 14:04:22< esr> fendrin: Usually they are imports of games originally designed for the German market. 20110826 14:05:32< fendrin> esr: I think you can see the difference between eurogames and non eurogames the best in case of the game "Twilight Empire". The first (and maybe the second, I don't know) edition is classical while the 3rd edition is euro style. 20110826 14:05:54< esr> Do you mean Twilight Imperium? 20110826 14:06:14< fendrin> Yes 20110826 14:07:41< esr> I'm going to play it tomorrow, Third edition. 20110826 14:08:14< fendrin> The first time? 20110826 14:08:24< esr> No. Fourth game. 20110826 14:09:10< fendrin> It's one of my favorites. Have you noticed that there is an addon box for it? 20110826 14:09:41< esr> Yes, we have the expansion and use those strategy cards. 20110826 14:10:24< esr> I've played in one 8-player, one 3-player, and one 6-player game. Tomorrow will be 5 or 6. 20110826 14:11:53< fendrin> You can get error corrected pdf rulebooks and extra rules on the net. 20110826 14:12:16-!- loonycyborg [loonycybor@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has quit [K-Lined] 20110826 14:12:40< esr> Yes, the person who owns the set has done so. 20110826 14:12:58< fendrin> :-) 20110826 14:16:25-!- Gambit [~Gambit@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 14:17:47-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 14:20:04-!- Crab___ [4a7d7702@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.125.119.2] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 14:22:33-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 14:41:23< Nephro> Hi, Crab___. wesbot told me you were looking for me about 3 days ago 20110826 14:43:32< Rhonda> mordante: Ouch, you are right. I really had the impression of Ivanovic taking the discussion next door. My bad. 20110826 14:51:52< Nephro> Crab___, I'll go for a jog (about 30 minutes), I'll read if you me something 20110826 14:52:48< Crab___> Nephro: hi. all's ok. 20110826 14:52:55< Crab___> Nephro: so, nothing atm. 20110826 14:54:02-!- horon [~horon@nttkyo103205.tkyo.nt.adsl.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 14:58:27< Ivanovic> Crab___, boucman, mordante: what do you think regarding 1.9.9 this weekend? 20110826 14:59:10< boucman> fine by me... 20110826 15:03:13< Crab___> fine by me. and the bugcounter is slightly lower, so it's good ;) 20110826 15:05:19< Ivanovic> it is? 20110826 15:05:30< Ivanovic> still looks increadibly high to me 20110826 15:05:32< Ivanovic> ;) 20110826 15:08:16< mordante> Ivanovic, no objections, I've nothing really pending 20110826 15:08:30< mordante> Rhonda, well I don't mind ;-) 20110826 15:08:35< Ivanovic> mordante: no "finalize all GUI2" commit in the pipe? 20110826 15:08:36< Ivanovic> :( 20110826 15:12:35< mordante> unfortunately not :-( 20110826 15:13:02< mordante> hope to find time to solve some of the issues I have with it soon 20110826 15:13:12< mordante> but not sure whether I find the time 20110826 15:13:24< mordante> but GSoC is over so I should have more time 20110826 15:14:11-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20110826 15:29:43-!- professor_max [5ec51003@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.197.16.3] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 15:49:04-!- Crendgrim [~crend@77.22.254.233] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 16:00:20-!- Espreon_ [~espreon@ai0867.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 16:01:48-!- LordNasty [~NaSTy@93-43-134-30.ip92.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20110826 16:01:48-!- knotwork [~markm@unaffiliated/knotwork] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20110826 16:01:48-!- Espreon [~espreon@wesnoth/developer/espreon] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20110826 16:02:45-!- knotwork [~markm@unaffiliated/knotwork] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 16:02:56-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 16:03:07-!- Aeth_ [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 16:03:20-!- LordNasty [~NaSTy@93-43-134-30.ip92.fastwebnet.it] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 16:03:25-!- Aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20110826 16:12:34-!- fstltna [~fstltna@74.63.219.251] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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Currently, it uses the twenty-four hour clock style, but it feels too modern to me. 20110826 18:46:39< esr> How do you mean, "use"? I'm missing context. 20110826 18:46:51< Espreon> Hold on. 20110826 18:47:09< Elvish_Hunter> esr: recently I committed a new ToD that uses a 24-hour scheme. 20110826 18:47:24< Elvish_Hunter> The code for it was floating around from 2009. 20110826 18:47:33< Espreon> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/data/core/macros/schedules.cfg?r1=48024&r2=50870 20110826 18:47:35< Elvish_Hunter> But we had the images in core from years. 20110826 18:48:44< Elvish_Hunter> Currently, it uses a 24 hour scheme. Should we use a 12 hour AM/PM scheme, or another way to marking hours? 20110826 18:48:50< esr> I see. 20110826 18:49:03< Elvish_Hunter> Of course, it doesn't replace our standard ToD. 20110826 18:49:03< esr> Hm. 20110826 18:49:29< esr> All of the alternatives I can think of are qually culture bound. 20110826 18:49:58< Elvish_Hunter> Talking with Espreon, I though of a system like "First Watch - First Hour". 20110826 18:50:22< Elvish_Hunter> Then "First Watch - Second Hour" and go on. 20110826 18:50:33< Elvish_Hunter> *thought 20110826 18:50:33< esr> Oh, right. For watches, six hours each? 20110826 18:50:45< esr> s/For/Four/ 20110826 18:51:22< Elvish_Hunter> More or less, yes. We have to handle dawn and dusk, but nothing impossible. 20110826 18:52:13< Elvish_Hunter> It may be useful, for example, in DiD - A Small Favour, part 1. If I remeber well, it happens completely at night. 20110826 18:52:14< esr> That is a s good as anything I can think of. Takes us away from specifying "24". 20110826 18:54:31< Elvish_Hunter> Fine. I'll start working on it. Expect a PM from me when I prepared a definitive scheme, OK? 20110826 18:55:16< Espreon> Why not just talk about it here? 20110826 18:56:45< Elvish_Hunter> I just had the idea: each watch (first/second/morning/afternoon) will have 5 hours. Then we'll have midday, midnight, dawn and dusk as special values. 20110826 18:56:55< Elvish_Hunter> That is, 24 hours. 20110826 18:58:47< CIA-22> espreon * r50917 /trunk/po/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Updated the Latin translation. 20110826 19:00:14< Elvish_Hunter> esr, espreon: the scheme that I proposed before is fine? 20110826 19:00:54< esr> I like your new idea. 20110826 19:01:07< Espreon> Sounds fine. 20110826 19:01:09< Elvish_Hunter> Thanks! :-D 20110826 19:01:34< Elvish_Hunter> Thanks again! :-D I'll start working on it. 20110826 19:01:54< CIA-22> espreon * r50918 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-anl/la.po wesnoth-low/la.po wesnoth-units/la.po): make po-update-la 20110826 19:02:11< Elvish_Hunter> As for the macro names: should I leave the{HOUR_7} format, or modify it? 20110826 19:03:54< esr> I think macro names directly corresponding to the watch schedule would be easier for developers. 20110826 19:04:05 * Espreon agrees 20110826 19:04:30< Elvish_Hunter> So, {FIRST_WATCH_FIRST_HOUR} ? 20110826 19:05:54< esr> That may be a bit verbose. {WATCH1_HOUR1} should be fine. 20110826 19:06:32< Elvish_Hunter> For midday, for example, {MORNING_MIDDAY} is fine? 20110826 19:07:43 * Espreon wonders why the strings for the twenty-four hour schedule are in wesnoth instead of wesnoth-help 20110826 19:07:55< Elvish_Hunter> Mainly to avoid conflicts with DAWN and DUSK 20110826 19:08:00< Espreon> Elvish_Hunter: Perhaps you forgot to take out a binding? 20110826 19:08:05< esr> {MORNING_MIDDAY} seems self-contradictory :-) 20110826 19:08:38< Elvish_Hunter> But how should I avoid the 24 hour {DAWN} conflict with the standard {DAWN}? 20110826 19:11:52< CIA-22> elvish_hunter * r50919 /trunk/data/core/macros/schedules.cfg: Fixed 24 hour schedule textdomain not being in wesnoth-help 20110826 19:12:02< Elvish_Hunter> Espreon: fixed. 20110826 19:12:10< Espreon> Thanks. 20110826 19:13:25< Elvish_Hunter> What about {DAWN_HOUR1} as format for dawn and dusk? 20110826 19:13:41< Elvish_Hunter> Of course, dawn lasts only one hour in this scheme... 20110826 19:15:23< Elvish_Hunter> Anyway, now I have to go. I'll read your answers in the IRC logs. Bye! 20110826 19:17:01-!- Elvish_Hunter [029c9d85@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.156.157.133] has quit [Quit: Ciao!] 20110826 19:19:47< esr> Why not just {DAWN_HOUR}? 20110826 19:24:45< shadowmaster> Elvish_Hunter: not so much technical issues as that your PM query ends up very far to the right of the window list (window #77); I really prefer it when people use real channels to communicate with me :/ 20110826 19:26:22< shadowmaster> (yes, I could change the actlist sort scheme but I really prefer to have windows ordered like natural numbers, and I always keep a constant set of channels on a constant set of windws with fixed numbers) 20110826 19:27:35< shadowmaster> (and yes, I'm perfectly happy with a fixed-height actlist too; 1 row at all times is good enough for my purposes, and since I rarely receive PMs anyway...) 20110826 19:28:45< CIA-22> espreon * r50920 /trunk/ (61 files in 5 dirs): Fixed apostrophes. 20110826 19:29:29< shadowmaster> yet another of those commits that make me git show -p 20110826 19:35:26< CIA-22> espreon * r50921 /trunk/utils/pofix.py: Removed unneeded rule. 20110826 19:35:45-!- deekay [~dk@89-79-35-236.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 19:35:45-!- deekay [~dk@89-79-35-236.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 20110826 19:35:45-!- deekay [~dk@wesnoth/developer/dragonking] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 19:46:49-!- Nephro [~neph@80.233.231.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20110826 19:47:07-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@71-10-224-192.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 20:18:44-!- stikonas [~quassel@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 20:20:58-!- stikonas [~quassel@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Client Quit] 20110826 20:21:36-!- stikonas [~quassel@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 20:24:41-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-184-5-186-26.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 20:24:50-!- Gambit 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mordante [~mordante@wesnoth/developer/mordante] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 20:46:50< mordante> servus 20110826 20:48:21-!- Greywhind [~Greywhind@c-71-233-150-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20110826 20:48:27< Espreon> mordante: Ic grete þe. 20110826 20:48:34< mordante> hi Espreon 20110826 20:51:51-!- stikonas [~quassel@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 20:53:08-!- stikonas [~quassel@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110826 20:58:41-!- stikonas [~quassel@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 21:02:15-!- Upth [~ogmar@public-nat1.scc.losrios.edu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 21:02:15-!- Upth is now known as Upthorn 20110826 21:08:47< mordante> thonsew I just noticed r50853 and publicly inheriting from std::vector seems odd 20110826 21:09:06< mordante> especially since it seems you should not be able to modify the vector directly 20110826 21:09:50< mordante> also wonder why not no inheritance and use two std::vectors as members 20110826 21:10:33< mordante> the class also misses a default constructor so the value of buffering is undetermined, will fix that in a sec 20110826 21:10:41-!- Upthorn [~ogmar@public-nat1.scc.losrios.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20110826 21:11:13< mordante> also private members should have an underscore 20110826 21:14:20-!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 21:18:04< CIA-22> mordante * r50926 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: Added constructor to initialize all members. 20110826 21:18:07< CIA-22> mordante * r50927 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: 20110826 21:18:07< CIA-22> Add underscore to private members. 20110826 21:18:07< CIA-22> Done per coding style. 20110826 21:29:16< mordante> I'm off night 20110826 21:29:17-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20110826 21:29:33-!- mordante [~mordante@wesnoth/developer/mordante] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20110826 21:35:44-!- Elvish_Hunter [d9c84383@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.200.67.131] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 21:38:08< CIA-22> elvish_hunter * r50928 /trunk/data/core/music/battle-epic.ogg: Fixed genre metatag in Battle Epic 20110826 21:38:32< Espreon> Elvish_Hunter: Ah, welcome back. 20110826 21:38:58< Elvish_Hunter> Well, the first thing is fixed. 20110826 21:39:07< Elvish_Hunter> Now, the second. 20110826 21:40:09< Elvish_Hunter> http://pastebin.com/H6Sgstyv 20110826 21:40:37< Elvish_Hunter> Espreon, please take a look at it. If the strings are fine for you, I'll do the commit. 20110826 21:40:54< Elvish_Hunter> I already wmllinted and wmlscoped the code. 20110826 21:41:47< Espreon> Please replace the hyphen-minues with em dashes. 20110826 21:41:50< Espreon> — 20110826 21:42:25< Espreon> Elvish_Hunter: Also, please make the name= keys like this: name= _ "" 20110826 21:43:35< Espreon> Other than that, it seems fine. 20110826 21:44:20-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110826 21:45:36< Elvish_Hunter> Done: http://pastebin.com/wK21wTx9 20110826 21:46:44< Elvish_Hunter> You may notice that first watch is of four hours, while second watch is of six hours. This is only to match the images. 20110826 21:46:57< Elvish_Hunter> Commit? 20110826 21:47:13< Espreon> OK. 20110826 21:50:35< CIA-22> elvish_hunter * r50929 /trunk/data/core/macros/schedules.cfg: Fixed 24 hour ToD to follow the latest esr's and Espreon's suggestions 20110826 21:51:11< Espreon> Excellent. 20110826 21:51:18< Elvish_Hunter> Done. If there is anything else that needs fixing, just drop me a PM if I'm not here. 20110826 21:51:50< Espreon> OK. 20110826 21:52:48< Elvish_Hunter> The thing about DiD: the time of day for A Small Favour, part 1, is {FIRST_WATCH} 20110826 21:53:06< Elvish_Hunter> Perhaps our new ToD may be put to use in that scenario. Or not? 20110826 21:56:42< Espreon> Ask zookeeper. 20110826 21:57:29< zookeeper> sure, feel free to 20110826 21:58:07< Elvish_Hunter> OK. Perhaps I'll modify the scenario in my local copy and test it. After all, it's from some months that I should finish replaying DiD... 20110826 21:58:11< zookeeper> another would be "To the Harbor of Tirigaz" in SotBE 20110826 21:59:30< Elvish_Hunter> Well, I haven't yet (re)started SoTBE. It's easier and quicker for me to test DiD and let you know the result. 20110826 22:00:09< Espreon> cl... is awesome. 20110826 22:01:34< Elvish_Hunter> Yes, I know cl. But nevertheless, I should finish DiD. 20110826 22:05:52< Elvish_Hunter> Well, now I go. It looks like all my tasks for 1.9.9 are completed. 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