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20110829 05:29:15< vultraz> umm...I've downloaded the 1.9 svn wesnoth version...now how do I run it
20110829 05:30:06< vultraz> doe sit have 2 be compiles or something?
20110829 05:32:07< Espreon> Yeah, it needs to be compiled.
20110829 05:33:20< vultraz> :S
20110829 05:33:40< Espreon> vultraz: It comes with stuff for compiling on Mac OS X.
20110829 05:33:50< Espreon> There are dependencies available on SF, I believe.
20110829 05:33:56< Espreon> And a how to thread.
20110829 05:34:01< Espreon> ... in the fora.
20110829 05:40:18< vultraz> how to thread where?
20110829 05:42:01< Espreon> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=287
20110829 05:44:13< vultraz> ahhh
20110829 05:54:05< vultraz> but I'm still confused
20110829 05:54:29< vultraz> the only thing I've ever compiled was the FlightGear flight sim - it took me a week
20110829 05:57:12< Espreon> Just follow the instructions.
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20110829 06:02:28< vultraz> XCode...I have something called X11
20110829 06:02:49< vultraz> that it?
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20110829 06:03:37< Espreon> ... No.
20110829 06:03:58< Espreon> vultraz: XCode is Apple's IDE thingy.
20110829 06:04:07< Espreon> X11 is a display server for Unix-like OSes.
20110829 06:04:26< vultraz> ooh
20110829 06:05:14< shadowmaster> protocol
20110829 06:06:07< vultraz> ?
20110829 06:07:08< Espreon> vultraz: shadowmaster was just correcting me
20110829 06:07:21< vultraz> oh
20110829 06:07:22< vultraz> ok
20110829 06:07:35< Espreon> vultraz: So, yeah, you're gonna need XCode to compile.
20110829 06:09:27< vultraz> :S
20110829 06:11:59< vultraz> blast... u need an account 2 get it....and if u don't have one u can get it 4 free 4 Lion on the app store. But I'm still on 10.5.8 >:( 
20110829 06:12:18< vultraz> stupid apple...
20110829 06:14:18< vultraz> plus it's huge...
20110829 06:14:51< vultraz> ]augggghhh >:( is there any other way to build this thing? 
20110829 06:15:14< vultraz> It would take me three days to download that
20110829 06:16:55< Espreon> Well... apparently, older versions come with a disc of it for free.
20110829 06:21:44< vultraz> I don't have a disc
20110829 06:22:35< Espreon> Well... too bad, I guess.
20110829 06:29:05< vultraz> :(
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20110829 09:13:41< Ivanovic> moin
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20110829 09:32:25< timotei> Ivanovic: my code sample is up.
20110829 09:32:59< Ivanovic> timotei: cool
20110829 09:33:00< timotei> Nephro: Like Ivanovic said, just make the diff to all work. Doesn't it matter it's polished or not. It's your work for the project, and I don't think anyone could do it perfect in first time :)
20110829 09:33:35< timotei> anonymissimus: You won't get spam because you appear in about.cfg.
20110829 09:33:47< timotei> You'll get spam because cia.vc insists on publishing the EMAILS
20110829 09:33:52< timotei> on the interwebs.
20110829 09:34:48< timotei> anonymissimus: the cmake generation works if you don't need to modify the solutions.
20110829 09:35:00< timotei> Because they get overwritten each time they are generated
20110829 09:36:40< timotei> Nephro: depends if you want to go 2d or 3d. For 3d you'd better read some 3d math books ( for example I own this: http://www.amazon.com/Primer-Graphics-Development-Wordware-Library/dp/1556229119/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1297066737&sr=8-4 )
20110829 09:36:44< timotei> and it's very cool
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20110829 09:38:00< timotei> Nephro: you cand find some books: http://www.gamedev.net/books
20110829 09:38:27< timotei> Nephro: but anyways, you could just start reading this wiki: http://www.gamedev.net/books
20110829 09:38:37< timotei> and see what you'd like to learn more, and buy a book specialized on that
20110829 09:38:56< timotei> if you really want to take off in gamedev, you should consider doing small prototypes. Over time you'll learn what to do/not to do :)
20110829 09:39:21< timotei> for example, http://experimentalgameplay.com/ or http://www.ludumdare.com/ are competition that give themes for making prototype games
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20110829 09:41:42< timotei> vultraz: why not build it with the old cmake thingy? Rather than use XCode
20110829 09:41:50< timotei> and there were some links for XCode for 10.5.8
20110829 09:41:57< timotei> my friend who uses hackintosh can run xcode
20110829 09:42:14< Espreon> Apparently, it's too massive for him to download in a reasonable amount of time.
20110829 09:42:38< timotei> 3gb is massive?
20110829 09:42:39< timotei> maybe yeah
20110829 09:42:41< timotei> xD
20110829 09:44:40< Espreon> It'd take him about three days to get it.
20110829 09:46:26< timotei> Well.. I'm back to study
20110829 09:46:28< timotei> cya
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20110829 10:37:05< Nephro> hopman-, are you the person, who is porting Wesnoth to the Android?
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20110829 10:45:27< hopman-> Nephro: yes
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20110829 10:46:44< Nephro> hopman-, can you tell me something about your work? I haven't done any Android programming, but iirc, androids run on java. How is it possible to port a C++ app to android?
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20110829 10:48:36< hopman-> Android has some support for c++ apps... in fact, as of 2.3 an app can be written entirely in c++
20110829 10:49:27< Nephro> didn't know that. Wesnoth is already ported to iOS, right? do they support c++ apps too?
20110829 10:50:32< Espreon> Heh, the iOS port might as well be black magic. Kyle had to do a lot to get it working on that.
20110829 10:51:04< hopman-> Yeah, I think much of his work was optimizing it to actually run at a reasonable speed
20110829 10:51:25< hopman-> I was looking through his code the other day and was very surprised that he uses my skiplist implementation
20110829 10:52:07< Nephro> hopman-, so you basically are looking for bottle-necks in the code and optimize it?
20110829 10:53:06< hopman-> Nephro: no, not really. Mobile hardware has gotten to a point now that I don't think it is really necessary... I would prefer to minimize the changes to the core Wesnoth code so that I can stay in sync with the desktop releases
20110829 10:55:03< hopman-> The main things that I have needed are: Java wrappers to pass input into c++, a bunch of libraries needed to be ported (mostly just porting the build systems), and almost all the Wesnoth UI dialogs and user interactions had to be changed to feel natural on a touchscreen
20110829 10:58:13< Ivanovic> hopman-: memory optimizations make sense though
20110829 10:58:28 * Ivanovic hopes to have those in "mainline", too
20110829 10:58:30< Ivanovic> ;)
20110829 10:58:47< Ivanovic> since eg the pandora does not have this much memory available, just some 200MB for apps
20110829 10:59:04< hopman-> Ivanovic: true
20110829 11:00:06< Nephro> hopman-, is there already a working build done for Android?
20110829 11:00:38< hopman-> Yes.
20110829 11:07:19< CIA-22> ivanovic * r50942 /trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): updated Irish translation
20110829 11:09:37< Nephro> I'm planning to purchase an Android phone, probably Nexus S(the guys on the nets said it's a good choice), so when I am done with all my AI work/plans, I could try helping you with the port
20110829 11:11:00< Nephro> do you own an Android device yourself, hopman- ?
20110829 11:11:09< hopman-> Yes, I own a couple
20110829 11:12:20< hopman-> I don't have a Nexus S, but I've played with one and it's a nice phone
20110829 11:12:31< hopman-> and is highly recommended
20110829 11:13:22< elias> i love my nexus s :)
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20110829 11:21:06< Espreon> Sytyi: Hello.
20110829 11:22:05< Nephro> elias, where are you from?
20110829 11:22:51< Sytyi> Espreon: hello. I saw your message in log, and will read new logs now
20110829 11:23:54< Espreon> OK, cool.
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20110829 11:34:53< elias> nephro: austria
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20110829 11:35:50< Nephro> elias, did you buy it in a local store or off the net? my local stores sell these for 800$ at least, whereas new ones on amazon are for about 500$
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20110829 11:35:53< elias> im actually typing from the nexus
20110829 11:36:27< elias> i bought it online
20110829 11:36:36< Ivanovic> Nephro: there also seem to be different versions of the nexus s
20110829 11:36:44< Ivanovic> some with lcd, some with oled display
20110829 11:37:05< elias> and i pay 4 euro per mobile gb
20110829 11:37:32< Nephro> The Nexus S uses a 4.0-inch (100 mm) slightly curved glass touchscreen, described by Google as a "Contour Display",[1] with a Super AMOLED (outside Canada, US and UK, a Super LCD instead) WVGA PenTile matrix display manufactured by Samsung.
20110829 11:37:45< Nephro> I guess I'll have to wait until I return to UK to get one :)
20110829 11:38:20< Ivanovic> even in the UK you'll have to be careful not to get some EU import
20110829 11:38:20< elias> i likely have the lcd then
20110829 11:38:37< Ivanovic> regarding some price comparison site those might have different names
20110829 11:39:27< Ivanovic> samsung google nexus s i9020 and the samsung google nexus s i9023
20110829 11:40:41< elias> mine says 9023 in the about screen
20110829 11:40:59< Ivanovic> the 20 seems to be the amoled, the 23 the superlcd
20110829 11:41:32< Ivanovic> and what is the difference between the nexus s and the galaxy s i9000?
20110829 11:41:40< Ivanovic> i mean beside the android version available
20110829 11:42:09< Nephro> Ivanovic, one site said they're almost identical inside iirc
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20110829 11:45:45< Nephro> The AMOLED one will probably be much more expensive too
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20110829 12:01:53< elias> i guess the difference is quite small (except maybe battery consumption?)
20110829 12:03:17< elias> my screen is much brighter than on the gen4 ipod, even though both are lcd
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20110829 12:12:54< Nephro> elias, 
20110829 12:12:56< Nephro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUF4dLVdFKc
20110829 12:14:26< elias> yeah, amoled is better of course
20110829 12:14:55< elias> but in practice i think i wouldn't notice... having the sun shine directly on the screen most of the time and so on :P
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20110829 12:26:15< Ivanovic> though oled got one possible problem, too: they are organic
20110829 12:26:35< Ivanovic> i know that the gp2x wiz had some *severe* problems with pixel areas of the screen dying
20110829 12:29:24< elias> i'm just amazed at the brightness... with the "retina display" i had a hard time reading stuff in sunlight, on this phone the display stays crystal clear (with amoled it likely would be even better)
20110829 12:30:06< elias> the display also makes up 50% of battery use, that should be much better with amoled from what i just read
20110829 12:30:50< Ivanovic> http://i50.tinypic.com/3533977.jpg
20110829 12:31:00< Ivanovic> that is a sample of the (partially) dying oled in case of the wiz
20110829 12:31:36< elias> what is the rectangle to the eright?
20110829 12:31:37< Ivanovic> though yeah, those were some rather early oleds
20110829 12:31:44< Ivanovic> some area that was "too hot"
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20110829 12:31:58< Ivanovic> not sure what is exactly there, possibly the cpu or some ram chips of the likes
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20110829 12:34:55< Ivanovic> the rectangle itself is formed of areas where pixel are simply dead
20110829 12:35:18< elias> i wonder why i'm still at android 2.3.4, supposedly 2.3.5 came out a month ago
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20110829 16:33:47-!- Topic for #wesnoth-dev: 179 bugs, 331 feature requests, 18 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20110829 19:02:06< dp1> Hi! I was trying to build wesnoth(from trunk) and had a quick cmake question - when using ccmake, is there any way to point it to a cmake in a non-standard location?
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20110829 19:29:48< dp1> Hi! In trying to build wesnoth(from trunk) I was getting a compile error complaining boost/unordered_map.hpp is not found. I am relatively new to cmake and I was wondering if someone could help with this. Currently I have configured cmake(using ccmake) this way: http://pastebin.com/SRFttPes . Any pointers would be much appreciated. Thanks!
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20110829 19:36:45< Nephro> dp1, what system do you use?
20110829 19:36:48< Nephro> OS that is
20110829 19:36:49< loonycyborg> dp1: I abandoned cmake/other-make long time ago, so can't say what must be done exactly
20110829 19:37:03< loonycyborg> But better install up-to-date boost.
20110829 19:37:42< dp1> Nephro: I using Ubuntu - Hardy.
20110829 19:38:17< loonycyborg> Missing boost/unordered_map.hpp could suggest old version of boost or broken boost install.
20110829 19:38:34< dp1> loonycyborg - I have the latest boost - installed in a non-standard location. The trouble is that I am not able to configure the build to correctly point to the path where the headers are...
20110829 19:38:46< Nephro> dp1, you should just follow the guide on the site. apt-get wesnoth build dep or something and apt-get install libboost-all
20110829 19:39:42< loonycyborg> dp1: I use non-system installs of boost too occasionally, but I use scons.
20110829 19:40:24< loonycyborg> But IMO using non-system boost is pointless unless you need to test several versions like I do.
20110829 19:40:58< loonycyborg> Better upgrade ubuntu to a version that provides boost 1.42
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20110829 19:41:39< dp1> Nephro: I think my (work machines) repos are configured in such a way that apt couldn't find libboost1.40-all-dev
20110829 19:43:21< dp1> loonycyborg: Yep, that would be ideal. I was hoping to use ccmake . to point the cmake build to the appropriate boost directories and then build… Unfortunately, that didn't work.
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20110829 19:45:10< dp1> Does anyone know where to get the latest ccmake from? (To download/build/install) Thought it was part of the cmake download but I was wrong.
20110829 19:46:06 * Nephro pokes elias 
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20110829 19:49:43< elias> Nephro?
20110829 19:50:06< Nephro> can I bug you in private about the phone a little bit?
20110829 19:50:14< elias> ah, sure
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20110829 21:34:43< mordante> servus
20110829 21:35:31< fendrin> zookeeper: noy asked me about the liminal alignment in order for a possible use with the Khalifate faction. Do you remember our thoughts about custom alignments? What do you think about making [effect] working on a filter basis? Meaning that a [effect] would also be removable.
20110829 21:35:37< fendrin> mordante: hi
20110829 21:35:45< mordante> hi fendrin 
20110829 21:36:36< zookeeper> fendrin, well, that would have to be optional
20110829 21:36:43< fendrin> zookeeper: So alignments would be coded with effects and/or action wml. Additional syntax is needed to give the player the gui feedback for the alignment.
20110829 21:38:04< fendrin> zookeeper: What exactly needs to be optional?
20110829 21:38:12< zookeeper> making [effect]s removable
20110829 21:38:38< zookeeper> because if you make them removable then a hitpoint-modifying effect can no longer show up in unit.hitpoints directly, and that'd break things
20110829 21:38:42< fendrin> zookeeper: Well, if the wml coder does not provide an id the effect can't be addressed for removal.
20110829 21:39:15< mordante> dp1, ccmake is in the package cmake-curses-gui
20110829 21:39:41< mordante> dp1, and if you install boost in a non-standard location you have to set BOOST_ROOT to the proper place
20110829 21:39:47< fendrin> Still the removing feature is not the point. It would be an additional side effect. The alignment system can work without that feature.
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20110829 21:39:56< mordante> dp1, else cmake will find the system version of boost
20110829 21:40:09< Sytyi1> mordante hi\
20110829 21:40:29< mordante> hi Sytyi1 
20110829 21:40:31< CIA-22> mordante * r50943 /trunk/src/ai/default/attack.cpp: 
20110829 21:40:31< CIA-22> Change const variables by const values.
20110829 21:40:31< CIA-22> Issue found by cppcheck.
20110829 21:40:31< CIA-22> mordante * r50944 /trunk/src/tools/schema/tag.hpp: 
20110829 21:40:31< CIA-22> Make a member function a const member function.
20110829 21:40:32< CIA-22> Issue found by cppcheck.
20110829 21:40:34< CIA-22> mordante * r50945 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/settings.cpp: 
20110829 21:40:34< CIA-22> Catch exception by reference.
20110829 21:40:34< CIA-22> Issue found by cppcheck.
20110829 21:40:37< CIA-22> mordante * r50946 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/gamestate_inspector.cpp: 
20110829 21:40:38< CIA-22> Limit variable scope.
20110829 21:40:38< CIA-22> Issue found by cppcheck.
20110829 21:40:41< CIA-22> mordante * r50947 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/lobby/ (lobby_info.cpp lobby_info.hpp): 
20110829 21:40:41< CIA-22> Remove an unused function.
20110829 21:40:41< CIA-22> Issue found by cppcheck.
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20110829 21:40:44< CIA-22> mordante * r50948 /trunk/src/ (serialization/parser.cpp unit_map.cpp unit_map.hpp): Strip trailing whitespace.
20110829 21:41:55< Sytyi> mordante What do you think: Shall I include GUI schema markup in my code tarball ?  
20110829 21:42:18< Sytyi> mordante or only C++ code will be enough?
20110829 21:42:24< zookeeper> fendrin, in any case, i fail to see why this is relevant for liminal. making it easy to create new alignments seems to involve complicated cans of worms, so i don't see the point of doing that just to allow a new alignment to be done in WML.
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20110829 21:42:48< mordante> Sytyi, you can include it, I don't think google really looks at it 
20110829 21:43:00< mordante> Sytyi, I think they just want it to keep the IRS happy
20110829 21:44:05< Sytyi> mordante I will include schema.cfg 
20110829 21:44:17< mordante> ok
20110829 21:44:33< mordante> Sytyi, any news on your application?
20110829 21:45:10< Sytyi> cause creating a diff to all src/gui will catch your work, etc
20110829 21:45:42< Sytyi> mordante What application do you mean?
20110829 21:45:52< mordante> the job
20110829 21:46:02< Sytyi> mordante The silence :-)
20110829 21:46:17< mordante> ok
20110829 21:46:35< mordante> the idea was to get a diff of all your own commits ;-)
20110829 21:46:54< mordante> I think Ivanovic posted a script/command to do so
20110829 21:47:02< Sytyi> mordante That would not do, some of them were commited by you
20110829 21:47:25< mordante> true, then you need to add those manually
20110829 21:48:19< Sytyi> I want to diff special files
20110829 21:49:02< Sytyi> mordante I plan to take a 10-day trip to the sea, and then start work about inner-schema validation 
20110829 21:49:28< mordante> ok, when do you plan to leave
20110829 21:49:58< Sytyi> 1st of September
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20110829 21:50:40< fendrin> zookeeper: The current system is unflexible. It was hacky to add the additional liminal alignment. Because of that I reverted the code.
20110829 21:53:12< zookeeper> fendrin, okay. well, a new system for customizable alignments is probably going to be either very hard, or hacky...
20110829 21:54:21< Sytyi> brb
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20110829 21:55:55< fendrin> zookeeper: Let's assume that the unit filter in [effect] is applied in every situation a unit feature is questioned. So that the [effect] is only turned on at the right times of day. Wouldn't that be enough to code what we currently have minus the gui support?
20110829 21:58:18< zookeeper> no, because [effect]s get permanently burnt into the unit. if you make a weapon special which adds damage then sure you can revert it at any time by just removing the special, but if you use [effect] then removing the [effect] doesn't do anything because it won't undo what's been done to unit.attack.damage.
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20110829 21:59:24< zookeeper> so what we have are two different ways of modifying a unit (in addition to direct variable manipulation, of course); abilities/specials and [effect]
20110829 22:01:03< zookeeper> if you want to make an [effect] only affect the unit only sometimes, then you have to change the entire way [effect] works
20110829 22:01:41< zookeeper> i don't know how big the code change would be, but it'd probably break quite a bit of existing content
20110829 22:01:52< fendrin> Yes I am aware of that. The c++ coding will be rather different.
20110829 22:02:43< fendrin> The result should not differ as long as no unit filter is provided.
20110829 22:05:46< zookeeper> so the effects would be removeable only when a unit filter is given? sounds interesting.
20110829 22:06:38< fendrin> no, they are removable if an id is given.
20110829 22:06:45< zookeeper> right
20110829 22:08:15< zookeeper> so if i use an [effect] to set a unit's movement from 8 to 2, $unit.movement will afterwards be 2 if i haven't supplied an id, and 8 if i have?
20110829 22:08:24< zookeeper> s/movement/moves
20110829 22:09:45< fendrin> no
20110829 22:10:16< fendrin> It will always be 2 no matter if it is provided with an id or not.
20110829 22:11:27< zookeeper> okay. then what happens if you use an id and then later remove that effect, or if the unit filter no longer matches? how could the game know that it should now set the movement to 8?
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20110829 22:13:28< fendrin> At the moment a method of the unit's c++ object is called it is checked which of the [effect]s that are on the unit is active before the value is provided.
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20110829 22:36:10< mordante> I'm off night
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