--- Log opened Tue Aug 02 00:00:36 2011
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20110802 00:25:42< obnoxius-man> Hello all
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20110802 00:36:54< dougmencken> hi
20110802 00:37:39< uncleshelby> hi
20110802 00:37:43< enchilado> hi
20110802 00:38:29< dougmencken> wanna play a game? the rules are simple: random map, 1v1, 1.9.8
20110802 00:39:24< uncleshelby> can't
20110802 00:40:02< enchilado> I haven't installed 1.9.8 yet :S
20110802 00:40:05< enchilado> And I suck anyway
20110802 00:40:11< uncleshelby> don't have 1.9.8.
20110802 00:40:17< uncleshelby> And i suck to
20110802 00:40:33< uncleshelby> correction: And I suck too
20110802 00:40:37< dougmencken> I do suck a lot 
20110802 00:40:55< dougmencken> this is not the reason to not to play
20110802 00:41:20< enchilado> Not having 1.9.8 installed is a good reason, though
20110802 00:41:29< uncleshelby> ditto
20110802 00:41:32< enchilado> I could install it but it would take half an hour at least
20110802 00:41:39< dougmencken> enchilado: having 1.8.x is *BAD*
20110802 00:41:49< uncleshelby> why is 1.8 bad?
20110802 00:41:57< uncleshelby> cuz it's not
20110802 00:41:58< shadowmaster> having 1.8.x is perfectly good
20110802 00:42:01< dougmencken> uncleshelby: it's like python 2
20110802 00:42:05< enchilado> I have 1.9.7
20110802 00:42:09< uncleshelby> python 2 is fine
20110802 00:42:15< dougmencken> uncleshelby: doesn't worth to call it "current"
20110802 00:42:35< shadowmaster> 1.8.x is stable, well-known and still in high use both by multiplayer users and add-on authors and received its last update less than two months ago
20110802 00:42:44< uncleshelby> anyway, 1.9 crashes on my computer all the time
20110802 00:43:09< dougmencken> 1.9 never crashed on my side, but 1.8 did ~10 times
20110802 00:43:17< dougmencken> at the most interesting moments
20110802 00:43:26< dougmencken> like 128th turn
20110802 00:43:57< shadowmaster> I hope we heard from you in the tracker then
20110802 00:44:50< dougmencken> shadowmaster: I once came here, with the log link and so... what 've I got? "I 'd be fixed w/o your intervention"
20110802 00:45:27< shadowmaster> I wonder who said that?
20110802 00:46:02< dougmencken> I don't wonder ; it doesn't worth digging a deep irc logs
20110802 00:46:24< shadowmaster> ok
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20110802 00:47:16< dougmencken> what do we have now on 1.9.8? 2 games with remote scenarios
20110802 00:48:07< dougmencken> shadowmaster: please, close 1.8
20110802 00:48:13< shadowmaster> no
20110802 00:48:26< dougmencken> shadowmaster: there's no need to have two different versions
20110802 00:48:33< uncleshelby> Wrong!
20110802 00:48:33< shadowmaster> there is a need, in fact
20110802 00:48:49< dougmencken> any explaination maybe?
20110802 00:49:05< enchilado> ...
20110802 00:49:06< shadowmaster> yeah, even-numbered branches are stable and odd-numbered branches are development branches
20110802 00:49:31< enchilado> the next stable release will be WESNOTH II
20110802 00:49:32< dougmencken> shadowmaster: heh, even linus torvalds said that it's bad idea :)
20110802 00:49:43< shadowmaster> we are not Linux
20110802 00:49:46< Gambit> dougmencken: there are features in 1.9.x that aren't ready (read: stable) yet
20110802 00:49:47< dougmencken> about "even" and "odd"
20110802 00:49:55< enchilado> Well, Linus Torvalds is the master of the universe
20110802 00:49:56< shadowmaster> enchilado: it will be 1.10
20110802 00:50:03< enchilado> shadowmaster: you should do everything Linus Torvalds says
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20110802 00:50:08< enchilado> shadowmaster: what!
20110802 00:50:10< dougmencken> hehe
20110802 00:50:18< Gambit> shadowmaster: yeah! and Linus says that our next version should be 3.0!
20110802 00:50:19< uncleshelby> Wow.
20110802 00:50:30< uncleshelby> yea!
20110802 00:50:41< shadowmaster> the sarcasm isn't really required
20110802 00:50:55< dougmencken> but mozilla said that 3.0 is bad; try to reach chrome with number 12 ;)
20110802 00:51:02< dougmencken> okay okay
20110802 00:51:20< Gambit> It's clearly a race to see who can get to version infinity first.
20110802 00:51:36< shadowmaster> Gambit: applies to you too
20110802 00:51:42< Gambit> That's why we need to follow Aethaeryn's advice and naming Wesnoth versions using limits.
20110802 00:51:49< enchilado> Gambit: 1.∞ comes first
20110802 00:51:55< Gambit> shadowmaster: The sarcasm may not be required, but it is amusing and hurts nothing.
20110802 00:51:59< Gambit> We're not even off topic.
20110802 00:52:02< Gambit> (for once)
20110802 00:52:30< enchilado> OMG, I was talking here and suddenly realise that I had been lynched.
20110802 00:52:51< uncleshelby> What exactly does lynched mean?
20110802 00:52:55< dougmencken> shadowmaster: what's the point to test 1.9.8 when there's only ~10 people online? versus ~1000 with 1.8
20110802 00:53:03< enchilado> eh... never mind. Playing an IRC game.
20110802 00:53:15< uncleshelby> whatever
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20110802 00:53:32< shadowmaster> dougmencken: testers aren't online 24/7
20110802 00:53:34< dougmencken> I can't test 1.9.8... I can wait forever (say ~1 hour)
20110802 00:53:44< shadowmaster> it also tends to get more popular as it approaches the last RC
20110802 00:54:06< uncleshelby> What is the last version of 1.9 going to be?
20110802 00:54:13< dougmencken> who does have 1.9.8? ubuntu, debian sid, arch
20110802 00:54:45< dougmencken> s/ubuntu//
20110802 00:54:51< shadowmaster> uncleshelby: 1.10 RC 2 or 3
20110802 00:55:02< shadowmaster> the canonical number will vary
20110802 00:55:42< dougmencken> so.. I'll not test 1.9.8... instead I'll run 1.8 for more online players
20110802 00:55:52< dougmencken> bad bad bad idea to split it
20110802 00:56:07< shadowmaster> yes, horrible idea and I'm thankful we aren't such idiots to do it
20110802 00:56:29< uncleshelby> What does RC mean?
20110802 00:56:37< dougmencken> shadowmaster: but... you do... you do split 1.8 and 1.9 players
20110802 00:56:41< shadowmaster> uncleshelby: Release Candidate
20110802 00:56:54< shadowmaster> dougmencken: 1.9 and 1.8 in the same server would cause endless OOS in MP
20110802 00:57:19< dougmencken> shadowmaster: nice, so just close 1.8 (as well as 1.7, 1.6, 1.5, ..., 0.1)
20110802 00:57:25< shadowmaster> no
20110802 00:57:37< dougmencken> next circle
20110802 00:57:44< shadowmaster> not all features in 1.9 are finished because they aren't your usual code one-linders
20110802 00:57:51< shadowmaster> *liners
20110802 00:58:15< dougmencken> shadowmaster: doesn't matter; 1.9.x is okay
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20110802 00:58:22< shadowmaster> no, it's not
20110802 00:58:57< shadowmaster> just take a look at the first number here:
20110802 00:58:58< shadowmaster> 18:58:37 -!- Topic for #wesnoth-dev: 222 bugs, 323 feature requests, 25 patches
20110802 00:59:24< shadowmaster> not all of those are filed or affect 1.9.x but a substantial amount do
20110802 00:59:26< dougmencken> shadowmaster: it is okay, it's great, look at gcc bugs :)
20110802 01:00:11< shadowmaster> yeah, it's not great except when those bugs affect playability
20110802 01:00:27< shadowmaster> right now we have one that makes it impossible for some MP users to log in, for instance
20110802 01:00:44< dougmencken> shadowmaster: it's great when mega-puper-knigh doesn't have 23 hp anymore
20110802 01:01:02< enchilado> mega-puper-knigh?
20110802 01:01:05< shadowmaster> not sure what that's supposed to mean
20110802 01:01:14< dougmencken> it's great that in 1.9.7/8 it does have 21 hp
20110802 01:01:26< dougmencken> shadowmaster: that knight unit
20110802 01:01:43< dougmencken> shadowmaster: lvl1 loyalists
20110802 01:02:07< dougmencken> total disbalance 
20110802 01:02:19< shadowmaster> thankfully your opinion is not relevant
20110802 01:02:36< dougmencken> shadowmaster: thankfully your opinion too :)
20110802 01:02:45< shadowmaster> my opinion is very relevant, in fact
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20110802 01:03:02< dougmencken> shadowmaster: unless you're some developer
20110802 01:03:14<@shadowmaster> of course
20110802 01:03:51< dougmencken> shadowmaster: developer who said " your opinion is not relevant" is not a developer in fact
20110802 01:04:01<@shadowmaster> and your supposed Knight unit is in fact the Cavalryman
20110802 01:04:11< dougmencken> yeah
20110802 01:05:51< uncleshelby> Can I call people annoying?
20110802 01:05:55<@shadowmaster> technicaly your opinion ceases to be relevant once you tread in dangerous "ignoring authorities because they clearly don't know better than casual players" territory, when it comes to MP balance
20110802 01:06:00< uncleshelby> once
20110802 01:06:14< uncleshelby> please?
20110802 01:06:31<@shadowmaster> uncleshelby: permission granted
20110802 01:06:46< dougmencken> shadowmaster: there's no "authorities" in virtual life
20110802 01:06:57< uncleshelby> dougmencken: You are annoying. Very annoying.
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20110802 01:07:03<@shadowmaster> sorry to disappoint you
20110802 01:07:35-!- mode/#wesnoth [-o shadowmaster] by shadowmaster
20110802 01:08:51< uncleshelby> I can't believe MY username used to be "obnoxius-man". You should change yours, dougmenken.
20110802 01:09:18< uncleshelby> OK, I'm done being insulting.
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20110802 01:11:56< uncleshelby> whoops, did I hurt his feelings?
20110802 01:12:41< enchilado> Hopefully
20110802 01:13:05< uncleshelby> Level UP!
20110802 01:13:47< Gambit> uncleshelby: Don't insult people.
20110802 01:13:55< uncleshelby> OK, I won't
20110802 01:14:00< uncleshelby> sorry.
20110802 01:14:07< Gambit> shadowmaster: :|
20110802 01:14:21< uncleshelby> :(
20110802 01:15:02< shadowmaster> Gambit: was I supposed to know it'd be that insulting?
20110802 01:15:50< uncleshelby> I feel really dumb now.
20110802 01:16:28 * enchilado pokes uncleshelby 
20110802 01:16:31< enchilado> Wow, you do
20110802 01:16:53< uncleshelby> Whoa, how did I get POKED?
20110802 01:17:05< uncleshelby> I thought that was Facebook?
20110802 01:27:50< uncleshelby> let me try something...
20110802 01:27:58< uncleshelby> poke enchilado
20110802 01:28:02< uncleshelby> nope...
20110802 01:28:05< enchilado> ?
20110802 01:29:18< shadowmaster> uncleshelby: /me <action>
20110802 01:29:31< shadowmaster> e.g. /me pokes somebody
20110802 01:29:38 * uncleshelby enchilado
20110802 01:29:49< shadowmaster> (then somebody may find it rather rude and decide to put you in a ignore list)
20110802 01:29:50 * uncleshelby pokes enchilado
20110802 01:29:57< uncleshelby> OK!
20110802 01:29:59< uncleshelby> I get it
20110802 01:30:05< uncleshelby> But I
20110802 01:30:07 * enchilado uses the /me command
20110802 01:30:16< uncleshelby> am not going to use it.
20110802 01:30:25< uncleshelby> I hate it when people poke
20110802 01:30:31 * uncleshelby is a hipocrite
20110802 01:30:40< enchilado> You said you felt dumb, so I poked you to see if you did ... :S
20110802 01:32:02 * uncleshelby doesn't feel dumb anymore
20110802 01:32:16 * enchilado pokes uncleshelby 
20110802 01:32:26 * uncleshelby wonders what that was for
20110802 01:32:34< enchilado> to see if you didn't feel dumb any more
20110802 01:33:16 * uncleshelby understands
20110802 01:33:35 * uncleshelby and has to leave the irc :`(
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20110802 09:44:59< Ivanovic> moin
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20110802 10:02:29< enchilado> moin
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