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20110831 09:39:38< Ivanovic> moin
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20110831 10:03:55< enchilado> moin
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20110831 13:19:19< szopen> hi everyone
20110831 13:20:00< szopen> especially ivanovic if you still remember me :)
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20110831 13:21:21< szopen> Tomasz :)
20110831 13:22:53< szopen> Actually, I have a small question. Is there a thread in the forum, fairly recent, where I could ask and discuss about official timeline? "official timeline" as search term does not produce anything useful, timeline on the other hand either produces the discussion from 2005/6 in which I pariticpated and which it seem is outdated
20110831 13:23:10< szopen> since my campaign seems to be now out of the timeline :)
20110831 13:23:29< Ivanovic> hmm, timeline
20110831 13:23:37< Ivanovic> there is some stuff listed in the wiki
20110831 13:23:56< Ivanovic> and for the real canon you should possibly talk to people like esr in #wesnoth-dev
20110831 13:24:39< szopen> I know :) That's why I know the ANO was edited out of the wiki
20110831 13:25:02< szopen> And I feel to thin in ears to discuss with esr or other developers without annoying them
20110831 13:36:09< szopen> actually, after browsing the wiki history, seems I have find out the first person which could be asked about :)
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20110831 13:39:57< szopen> seems nobody cares to actually be on irc :) except ivanovic, strangely I think it was the same six years ago :)
20110831 13:39:59< szopen> hehehe
20110831 13:40:59< Ivanovic> i am just busy working on my thesis so i need something different to do every now and then to keep a "clear enough" head
20110831 13:41:18< szopen> i think this is called procrastination
20110831 13:41:25< szopen> :)
20110831 13:41:30< Ivanovic> naaaah
20110831 13:41:54< szopen> yes it is :) haven't you read phdcomics? :)
20110831 13:42:06< szopen> what's the topic of your thesis BTW?
20110831 13:42:08< Ivanovic> do you really think i would do anything like this?
20110831 13:42:20< szopen> Like reading phdcomics? 
20110831 13:42:29< Ivanovic> Task and Memory mapping for MPSoC Architectures
20110831 13:43:13< szopen> Not my domain (I am into distributed computing), but interesting
20110831 13:43:49< Ivanovic> sorry, forgot the important/specific part: ILP based Task and Memory mapping for MPSoC Architectures
20110831 13:44:32< Ivanovic> doing the stuff is rather freaking easy
20110831 13:45:14< szopen> really? You mean WRITING phd, or just lab work?
20110831 13:45:19< Ivanovic> the most challenging part is writing *scientifically* about this
20110831 13:45:26< szopen> I remember the writing phd took me a lot more time than anything else
20110831 13:45:36< Ivanovic> just my diploma thesis, comparable to a master thesis
20110831 13:45:44< szopen> a hell frustrating work, and hell frustrating year
20110831 13:45:46< szopen> really?
20110831 13:45:53< Ivanovic> yeah, really
20110831 13:46:02< szopen> it wasn't like that with me.
20110831 13:46:24< szopen> Especially since my.. umm don't know english word. Advisor? Promoteur? 
20110831 13:46:40< szopen> he first read my thesis when I thought it was already finished after one year
20110831 13:46:44< szopen> and then started the real work.
20110831 13:46:45< Ivanovic> that is: implementing and creating the mapping was the really simple part (it is just a tiny aspect in an existing toolchain)
20110831 13:47:04< szopen> no, no, I asked about writing :)
20110831 13:47:04< Ivanovic> the work on writing about it is, yeah, the major challenge for me
20110831 13:47:20< Ivanovic> that is: doing so in a scientific way
20110831 13:47:30< Ivanovic> with lots of references and stuff
20110831 13:49:05< szopen> yes exactly
20110831 13:49:35< szopen> that I was surprised, since I thought that "comparable master thesis" refers to the writing part
20110831 13:50:32< Ivanovic> nah
20110831 13:50:39< Ivanovic> the diploma thesis is comparable to a master thesis
20110831 13:50:52< Ivanovic> that is: below a phd but above a bachelor
20110831 13:51:50< szopen> I am confused.
20110831 13:52:07< szopen> in poland there is master thesis, and then a phd
20110831 13:52:18< szopen> you have master thesis, then diploma thesis, then phd?
20110831 13:53:08< Ivanovic> nope
20110831 13:53:19< Ivanovic> in germany there originally just was diploma thesis then a phd
20110831 13:53:33< Ivanovic> over the last years they changed the system to a "bachelor/master" system
20110831 13:53:50< Ivanovic> which means that you first do your bachelor, then the master and afterwards (if you want to) the phd
20110831 13:54:00< Ivanovic> and in theory even the master is equivalent
20110831 13:54:29< Ivanovic> in this "new" system (which is comparable somehow to the US system) you got the master as comparable result when looking at the "old" diploma
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20110831 13:56:16< szopen> ah, I see.
20110831 13:57:45< Ivanovic> cf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplom
20110831 14:01:48< szopen> reading
20110831 14:03:48< szopen> so basically diploma was equivalent to what we call master thesis (magisterka)
20110831 14:04:10< Ivanovic> jepp
20110831 14:04:22< Ivanovic> and thats what i'll get once this work is done
20110831 14:04:26< szopen> anyway, in conferences you may look from guys from Poznan Unviersoty of Technology
20110831 14:05:23< szopen> I got two of three friends who used to work with embedded systems
20110831 14:06:56< szopen> me personally read only few papers on systems on chips, but that's basically the same, or am i wrong?
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20110831 14:07:29< szopen> that was quite interesting, since some of the problems in  System-on-a-chip are almost the same as in large distributed systems
20110831 14:08:17< szopen> so I could use that as convincing example when I was given the lectures and was explaining the students why distributed systems are most important thing they encounter during their whole course :)
20110831 14:09:34< Ivanovic> ah, there are some significant differences
20110831 14:09:43< szopen> such as?
20110831 14:09:55< Ivanovic> there is usually a completely difference regarding inter chip communication
20110831 14:10:05< Ivanovic> in mpsocs you can get away with a single centered bus
20110831 14:10:13< Ivanovic> not possible for distributed setups
20110831 14:10:28< Ivanovic> and the main focus for the stuff at the chair i am doing my work is the memories
20110831 14:10:37< szopen> depending what definition of "distributed systems" you have :
20110831 14:10:40< szopen> :)
20110831 14:10:44< Ivanovic> meaning the usage of spms and whatnot to eg allow reduction of worst case execution time
20110831 14:10:54< Ivanovic> something almost 100% irrelevant for distributed systems
20110831 14:11:38< Ivanovic> to get a better idea about the context of my work: http://ls12-www.cs.tu-dortmund.de/daes/media/documents/publications/downloads/2010-isvlsi.pdf
20110831 14:11:52< Ivanovic> in this toolchain i am working in the area of "memory aware mapping"
20110831 14:12:01< Ivanovic> adding another alternative in this sub block
20110831 14:12:11< szopen> thanks, it will go to the priority-2 papers :)
20110831 14:12:30< szopen> :D :D
20110831 14:12:48< szopen> I mean I wil skim over it, but id on't know whether I could actually peruse it more thouroughly
20110831 14:13:04< Ivanovic> :)
20110831 14:13:04< szopen> I got something like 100 priority-1 papers in my reading queue :)
20110831 14:13:29< Ivanovic> reading and understanding the whole stuff in detail is, uhm, a shitload of work
20110831 14:13:38< Ivanovic> especially when also wading through the related work
20110831 14:13:41< szopen> but then, sometimes I feel like I learn the most when I step outside my normal domain 
20110831 14:14:03< szopen> I won't; I learned that if  you check all related work, you never finish the reading
20110831 14:15:16< szopen> two most important lessons in science: 1) you can't read anything related, alway on a conference there will someone who will ask you about the paper you had not read
20110831 14:15:43< szopen> the second is that you learn only from the critical reviews :)
20110831 14:17:18< szopen> aaah and the third is that you do most the work in home during hllidays :) :) :)
20110831 14:17:25< Ivanovic> yeah, but for my thesis i *have* to list some related work
20110831 14:17:47< Ivanovic> a major "problem" being that those at the chair judging over my work later on for sure do know all those papers
20110831 14:17:58< Ivanovic> especially since they participated at creating some of them
20110831 14:18:06< szopen> hehehe well this is a problem
20110831 14:18:39< Ivanovic> not a problem, just a "challenge"
20110831 14:18:59< Ivanovic> and my advisor is really good, helpful and cool about things
20110831 14:19:04< szopen> actually I also read a lot of related work when working on phd.. just at some point you just have to made a cut-off.. Or your reading queue will only go longer and longer instead of shorter
20110831 14:19:18< Ivanovic> jepp
20110831 14:19:35< szopen> that's good to hear; good advisor is the best thing you can have with phd. Know the joke about rabbit making phd?
20110831 14:19:51< Ivanovic> i don't think so
20110831 14:20:14< szopen> the wolf meets a rabbit, who is merrily jumpong around the forest. What do you do, asks the wolf
20110831 14:20:52< szopen> I am just going home to finish my phd, says the rabbit. The thesis is on the superiority of rabbits over the wolfs
20110831 14:21:13< szopen> Wolfs starts to laugh and says this is absurd, so rabbit urges him to go with him, so he can show him main arguments.
20110831 14:21:34< szopen> So they go to the rabbit's place, and no surprise, after few minutes wolf escapes, terrified and beaten
20110831 14:22:05< szopen> and out of rabbit's place a bear appears, saying "it doesn't matter who writes the thesis or what is the subject"
20110831 14:22:12< szopen> "only matters who the advisor is" 
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20110831 14:22:37< Ivanovic> :)
20110831 14:22:55< szopen> ok, had to go for my son, the kindergarten is open to the 15:00
20110831 14:22:57< szopen> see you later
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20110831 16:05:02< specing> Is there a way to skip replays when spectating?
20110831 16:07:28< enchilado> I believe not.
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20110831 16:08:41< Cookiee> specing: is it on fast replays?
20110831 16:08:55< Cookiee> or are you watching them at the speed you have it on perferences?
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20110831 16:12:59< specing> It's fast, but there are 70 turns to skip....
20110831 16:13:25< Cookiee> well youre just going to have to wait
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20110831 16:17:24< specing> bollocks
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20110831 23:10:38< Cyber_Rock> can anybody help me.... in mp i am getting an error and  it says that the player might be trying to cheat and i am unable to quit the game... what should i do
20110831 23:11:15< Cyber_Rock> i was the host but then disconnected.... since then there have been multiple host as one or the other would die
20110831 23:15:42< Cyber_Rock> anybody?
20110831 23:17:31< shadowmaster> yeah, that's an out of sync error. Probably you are using different add-on versions?
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20110831 23:18:08< shadowmaster> either way you should be able to continue the game at your own risk or leave it
20110831 23:18:53< Cyber_Rock> is that a temporary coincidential error or will it repeat itself
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20110831 23:19:31< shadowmaster> there's a high chance it will continue occurring in the same game
20110831 23:20:24< Cyber_Rock> but it never occured before..... and it did so all of a sudden... no signs whatsoever
20110831 23:22:21< Cyber_Rock> game 4634 sir
20110831 23:24:54< shadowmaster> not sure what that's supposed to mean
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20110831 23:26:57< Cyber_Rock> in the replay the number is given as 4634 colosseum scenario with era of the same name
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