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20110902 03:06:29< shadowmaster> AI0867: regarding r50971, if I understand correctly, the screenshot function displays a result dialog with the size of the generated file in SI multiples of bytes rather than, uh, computing multiples for lack of a better name (1000 vs 1024), is this correct? if so, why are you keeping the previous behavior?
20110902 03:09:37< AI0867> I'm not sure I understand the question =/
20110902 03:10:15< shadowmaster> -.-
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20110902 03:11:12< CIA-22> ai0867 * r50972 /trunk/src/serialization/string_utils.cpp: Make the 'binary k' uppercase: kB/KiB
20110902 03:11:17< shadowmaster> okay, I'll speak in my terms then. Why are you using kilo/mega/giga/etc. bytes (multiples of 1000) instead of kibi/mebi/gibi/etc. bytes (multiples of 1024) in the screenshot hotkey code??
20110902 03:11:27< shadowmaster> s/\?$//
20110902 03:12:18< AI0867> because that was the previous behaviour ;p
20110902 03:12:27< shadowmaster> but that shouldn't be!
20110902 03:13:25< AI0867> it looks like it *is* using base2
20110902 03:13:29< AI0867> see the second argument
20110902 03:13:44< AI0867> that's base2
20110902 03:14:08< shadowmaster> ah. so your new functions have an unused path that allows for multiples of 1000.
20110902 03:14:23< AI0867> yes
20110902 03:14:40< shadowmaster> now I wonder why anyone programming a computer game rather than a HDD diagnostic utility would use that!
20110902 03:14:53< AI0867> well, you can also use your own units
20110902 03:15:26< AI0867> there are plenty of units that base2 isn't appropriate for
20110902 03:16:11< shadowmaster> AI0867: another problem appears to be that you broke internationalization of the unit abbreviations (B, KB ,MB, GB, TB, etc.)
20110902 03:16:20< AI0867> it also handles things between -1.0 and +1.0
20110902 03:16:25< AI0867> which doesn't make much sense for bytes
20110902 03:16:37< AI0867> Espreon told me, I'm looking into how to fix that
20110902 03:16:57< shadowmaster> ah, okay then
20110902 03:18:04< AI0867> I'm thinking I'll allow every prefix and unit to be translatable (also, the 'i' infix), with proper comments of course
20110902 03:18:35< AI0867> the problem is that some languages might prefer to translate it as a whole =/
20110902 03:19:01< AI0867> I'm not sure that translating units actually makes sense though...
20110902 03:20:00< Espreon> Slavs will want to Cyrillicize, Indians will want them in Devanagari, and so forth...
20110902 03:21:18< AI0867> they're not supposed to be letters
20110902 03:21:20< AI0867> they're symbols
20110902 03:21:27< shadowmaster> and that only makes sense since there could langugages where the prefix-unit order we use in English doesn't make sense
20110902 03:21:27< shadowmaster> *could be languages
20110902 03:21:34< AI0867> but I know, the russian translation does that
20110902 03:21:41< Espreon> Maybe some cultures don't want to deal with the Latin alphabet... or as little as possible...
20110902 03:21:48< shadowmaster> at least French IIRC use "<foo>octets" rather than "<foo>bytes" as well
20110902 03:22:05< AI0867> Espreon: μ
20110902 03:22:48< Espreon> That may be, but matters not.
20110902 03:22:50< Espreon> *but it
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20110902 03:26:47< Espreon> shadowmaster: Yup: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/m%C3%A9gaoctet#French
20110902 03:28:20< AI0867> anyone else want to weigh in on this? (loonycyborg maybe?)
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20110902 03:30:18< Espreon> The French would want things like "Mio".
20110902 03:30:25< Espreon> So, blargh.
20110902 03:30:41< AI0867> they can have it
20110902 03:30:53< AI0867> once 'B' is translatable
20110902 03:33:13< un214> _'B'
20110902 03:33:38< Espreon> And what about the Marathi translation?
20110902 03:34:09< Espreon> We don't know what the Indic langs do with these.
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20110902 03:57:58< AI0867> hmm, I'd prefer not to make serialization/string_utils.hpp include tstring.hpp
20110902 03:58:36< AI0867> but avoiding that would require it's users to call with si_string(value, true, _("B")); every time...
20110902 03:58:41< AI0867> s/it
20110902 03:58:44< AI0867> 's/its/
20110902 04:04:47< shadowmaster> I think I already said I'm against the program composing a word like that
20110902 04:05:01< shadowmaster> the whole thing ("KB") rather than just "B") should be translatable
20110902 04:11:24< AI0867> I'd prefer that this be a more general thing, but right now it's done in different ways in at least 5 places
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20110902 11:27:57< loonycyborg> AI0867: I think translating individual parts such as "B" and "K" would work with russian translation.
20110902 11:28:33< loonycyborg> E.g. kde apps seem to just transliterate those units.
20110902 11:29:30< loonycyborg> MiB is translated as МиБ etc
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20110902 16:15:19< AI0867> loonycyborg: I guess I'll commit what I have now then, and see if anyone from a different language complains
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20110902 16:19:26< AI0867> a quick grep trough existing PO files reveals that no existing translations will be unrepairably broken, and a large part of the translations were doing it wrong to begin with
20110902 16:22:31< CIA-22> ai0867 * r50973 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Make si_string parts translatable
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20110902 20:18:11< CIA-22> timotei * r50974 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
20110902 20:18:11< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Force the xtext builder to skip
20110902 20:18:11< CIA-22> the Wesnoth Core Library
20110902 20:18:20< CIA-22> timotei * r50975 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
20110902 20:18:21< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Compute the current parsed file location
20110902 20:18:21< CIA-22> in the constructor since we know there the information
20110902 20:18:21< CIA-22> for sure.
20110902 20:18:39< CIA-22> timotei * r50976 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/projects/ProjectUtils.java: 
20110902 20:18:39< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Create the core library after creating
20110902 20:18:39< CIA-22> the project cache, so we can use the project's install name.
20110902 20:18:51< CIA-22> timotei * r50977 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/preferences/Preferences.java: eclipse plugin: Add setters for the Paths class
20110902 20:19:10< CIA-22> timotei * r50978 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth.tests/ (9 files in 4 dirs): 
20110902 20:19:10< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Add skeleton for new type of tests:
20110902 20:19:10< CIA-22> PDE Tests.
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20110902 20:19:25< CIA-22> timotei * r50979 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/manual/dev_manual.tex: 
20110902 20:19:25< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Update the dev manual to reflect the
20110902 20:19:25< CIA-22> latest test-related changes.
20110902 20:19:37< CIA-22> timotei * r50980 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/product/WesnothWorkbenchAdvisor.java: 
20110902 20:19:37< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Don't setup the workspace when we
20110902 20:19:37< CIA-22> are testing the product
20110902 20:19:48< CIA-22> timotei * r50981 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/projects/ProjectCache.java: 
20110902 20:19:48< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Close the file after we have saved
20110902 20:19:48< CIA-22> the cache.
20110902 20:20:00< CIA-22> timotei * r50982 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/ (4 files in 4 dirs): eclipse plugin: Fix the tests
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20110902 20:20:34< CIA-22> timotei * r50983 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/utils/ResourceUtils.java: 
20110902 20:20:34< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Don't overwrite file contents if
20110902 20:20:34< CIA-22> the `overwrite' flag is not present
20110902 20:20:34< CIA-22> timotei * r50984 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/utils/ResourceUtils.java: 
20110902 20:20:35< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Fix the getMacroIncludes to check
20110902 20:20:35< CIA-22> the start of string for the `{~add-ons' sequence instead
20110902 20:20:36< CIA-22> of the whole text of the macro
20110902 20:20:36< CIA-22> timotei * r50985 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/ (2 files in 2 dirs): eclipse plugin: Add test for changing include order
20110902 20:20:41< CIA-22> timotei * r50986 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth.tests/src/org/wesnoth/tests/pde/ProjectDependencyListTests.java: 
20110902 20:20:41< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Add 2 tests to test the coming
20110902 20:20:41< CIA-22> new PDL functionality
20110902 20:20:53< CIA-22> timotei * r50987 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth.tests/src/org/wesnoth/tests/pde/ProjectDependencyListTests.java: eclipse plugin: Add more tests for the DPL
20110902 20:21:00< CIA-22> timotei * r50988 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
20110902 20:21:00< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Implement some extra cases
20110902 20:21:00< CIA-22> that handle includes adding/removal
20110902 20:21:16< CIA-22> timotei * r50989 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth.tests/src/org/wesnoth/tests/pde/ProjectDependencyListTests.java: 
20110902 20:21:16< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Add a couple of tests for the
20110902 20:21:16< CIA-22> folder/file includes
20110902 20:21:19< CIA-22> timotei * r50990 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/builder/DependencyListBuilder.java: 
20110902 20:21:20< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Fix some tests: add a prefix slash
20110902 20:21:20< CIA-22> when searching for the directory
20110902 20:21:30< CIA-22> timotei * r50991 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/builder/DependencyListBuilder.java: 
20110902 20:21:30< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: We don't actually need to update
20110902 20:21:30< CIA-22> the root node since the included nodes are for
20110902 20:21:30< CIA-22> sure not root nodes.
20110902 20:21:38< CIA-22> timotei * r50992 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
20110902 20:21:38< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Implement the directory <-> file
20110902 20:21:38< CIA-22> include order update
20110902 20:21:47< CIA-22> timotei * r50993 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/product/WesnothWorkbenchAdvisor.java: eclipse plugin: Clarify a bit a comment
20110902 20:21:58< CIA-22> timotei * r50994 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/builder/WesnothProjectBuilder.java: 
20110902 20:21:59< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Shorten the build time by preprocessing
20110902 20:21:59< CIA-22> just the _main.cfg if it exists.
20110902 20:22:08< CIA-22> timotei * r50995 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/ (7 files in 4 dirs): 
20110902 20:22:08< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Remove the Defines SAX Handler
20110902 20:22:08< CIA-22> and replace it with the xtext parser
20110902 20:22:19< CIA-22> timotei * r50996 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/wml/SimpleWMLParser.java: 
20110902 20:22:19< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Initialize the defines map in the
20110902 20:22:19< CIA-22> all constructors
20110902 20:22:29< CIA-22> timotei * r50997 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
20110902 20:22:29< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Create the WMLParser using the GUICE
20110902 20:22:29< CIA-22> Injector instead of plain object construction
20110902 20:22:39< CIA-22> timotei * r50998 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/plugin.xml: 
20110902 20:22:40< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Rename 'Wesnoth file wizard'
20110902 20:22:40< CIA-22> to 'Wesnoth Config File'
20110902 20:22:50< CIA-22> timotei * r50999 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth.ui/src/org/wesnoth/ui/labeling/wmldoc/WMLDocTag.java: 
20110902 20:22:50< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: When no description about the tag,
20110902 20:22:50< CIA-22> just output "No information"
20110902 20:23:00< CIA-22> timotei * r51000 /trunk/utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
20110902 20:23:00< CIA-22> eclipse plugin: Properly set the wml lua tag
20110902 20:23:00< CIA-22> definition line offset
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20110902 21:00:42< mordante> servus
20110902 21:01:54< mordante> Rhonda, around?
20110902 21:02:50< anonymissimus> timotei: now that your GSoC is over, will you disappear, never return and let the bugs you introduced linger around ? xD
20110902 21:03:01< timotei> anonymissimus: no :P
20110902 21:03:37< timotei> anonymissimus: why? You want me to dissapear?
20110902 21:03:59< timotei> wow, just found a mac book pro cheap :O
20110902 21:04:03< timotei> very tempting
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20110902 21:26:37< anonymissimus> timotei: why should I want you to disappear ?
20110902 21:26:51< mordante> he just disappeared :-P
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20110902 21:31:49< Espreon> mordante: But Rhonda hates useless pings.
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20110902 21:32:39< mordante> Espreon, I know, I send the content before, it's a reping
20110902 21:32:47< Espreon> OK.
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20110902 21:51:29< noy> timotei: where is this cheap macbook you speak of?
20110902 21:53:32< Gambit> Pinging people to tell others how much they hate useless pings: awesome.
20110902 22:00:43< timotei> noy: cheaper than other prices in Romania. But it's still more expensive than a US one :(
20110902 22:00:48< noy> ah
20110902 22:00:56< noy> Gambit: around?
20110902 22:00:58< timotei> :)
20110902 22:01:18< Gambit> noy: Yes, what's up?
20110902 22:02:08< noy> just wanted to ping you to tell you how much I hate useless pings. 
20110902 22:02:39< AI0867> noy: good to know =)
20110902 22:02:42< Gambit> noy: Okay :)
20110902 22:02:55< noy> Gambit: I just wanted to tell you
20110902 22:02:59< noy> Gambit: okay?
20110902 22:03:03< noy> Gambit: okay!
20110902 22:03:07< Gambit> You bet noy.
20110902 22:03:13< noy> Gambit: excellent!
20110902 22:03:14< Gambit> Do you get pinged on the word "annoy"?
20110902 22:03:20< Gambit> I bet that'd be really annoying :D
20110902 22:03:26< noy> Gambit: it would.
20110902 22:03:29< noy> Gambit: but I don't
20110902 22:03:54< timotei> anonymissimus: sorry, internet broke ( again )
20110902 22:03:57< noy> got to go
20110902 22:04:01< Gambit> Thank goodness for word boundary detection in regular expressions.
20110902 22:04:04< noy> Gambit: take care!
20110902 22:04:14< Gambit> Bye.
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20110902 22:13:55< timotei> hmm... let's see if my first "serious" fix for the C++ part works :D
20110902 22:18:04< timotei> nope. It doesn
20110902 22:18:06< timotei> t
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20110902 22:21:10< timotei> Ok. I guess I'll fill a bug xD
20110902 22:21:25< timotei> In fact I'll file 2(two) bugs
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20110902 22:25:05< AI0867> cjhopman: are you planning on making any kind of announcement?
20110902 22:28:29< timotei> Ok, I'll say here, maybe somebody can tell me how should I approach the problem:
20110902 22:28:35< timotei> the countdown when playing multiplayer
20110902 22:28:45< timotei> doesn't update ( visually ) when a menu ( eg: recruit ) is shown
20110902 22:29:05< timotei> somehow the draw_sidebar() from game_display should be called from: construct_dialog
20110902 22:29:12< timotei> while it waits for the dialog to close
20110902 22:29:17< timotei> but draw_sidebar is protected.
20110902 22:30:01< timotei> or, we could use directly the draw_report("report_countdown");
20110902 22:30:29< timotei> the problem is, draw_report is defined just in game_display, while in the construct_dialog, we have a display class only ( super of game_display )
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20110902 22:31:41< AI0867> you're not the first to run into the display tree that way
20110902 22:31:49< timotei> xD
20110902 22:31:57< AI0867> I'm afraid I don't know how to proceed though
20110902 22:31:59< timotei> and checking if the display instance of a game_display doesn't sound right
20110902 22:32:21< timotei> well...
20110902 22:32:30< timotei> one thing is, we could move the draw_report into the display class
20110902 22:32:31< timotei> :-?
20110902 22:32:38< timotei> maybe others could benefit from that
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20110902 22:34:07< timotei> I'll try.
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20110902 22:35:17< timotei> ah. actually, no need to
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20110902 22:45:52< Rhonda> mordante: You go to bed too early 
20110902 22:46:27< Ivanovic> Rhonda: today his client is still online
20110902 22:46:29< Ivanovic> ;)
20110902 22:48:05< Rhonda> I noticed, I was puzzled by the tab completion working
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20110902 23:19:53< mordante> Rhonda, I'm still awake ;-)
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20110902 23:42:07< mordante> Rhonda, I had a look at the compilation issue and the #undef in network_worker.cpp
20110902 23:42:28< mordante> Rhonda, I noticed that when using autotools you compiled with ana enabled
20110902 23:42:45< mordante> thus network_worker.cpp wasn't compiled
20110902 23:43:14< mordante> when switching to cmake you disabled ana and network_worker.cpp got compiled
20110902 23:43:31< mordante> I tried to find out why silene added the undef, but no clues in the log
20110902 23:43:46< mordante> the commit itself also didn't explain the why :-(
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20110902 23:45:19< mordante> I tried this patch locally http://paste.debian.net/128229/ and no problems
20110902 23:45:42< mordante> however since there is no hint why the line was added I'd like to have some more testing
20110902 23:46:23< mordante> could you try the patch when you build 1.9.9 (after Ivanovic tagged it ;-) )
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20110902 23:46:51< mordante> I'm off now, night
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