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20110916 02:14:27< CIA-7> espreon * r51202 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-help/en_GB.po wesnoth-utbs/en_GB.po): Updated the British English translation.
20110916 02:14:40< CIA-7> espreon * r51203 /trunk/po/wesnoth/en_GB.po: Updated the British English translation.
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20110916 05:40:21< Espreon> jabagawee: Oh, hello there.
20110916 05:40:34< jabagawee> hi! :D ...do i know you?
20110916 05:40:40< Espreon> Of course you do.
20110916 05:40:51< jabagawee> i feel so embarrassed
20110916 05:40:54< jabagawee> i don't remember who you are :(
20110916 05:41:05< Espreon> Awww... :(
20110916 05:41:27< jabagawee> refresh my memory please?
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20110916 05:41:30< Espreon> I'm that guy whom you talked to... in the query... a GSoC or so ago.
20110916 05:41:40< jabagawee> oh god, those embarrassing times XD
20110916 05:41:42< Espreon> The one before the last one.
20110916 05:41:53< jabagawee> i'm actually quite honored that you remember me
20110916 05:42:13< jabagawee> and actually i wanna get into some sort of OSS dev, which is why i'm in #wesnoth-dev
20110916 05:42:24< Espreon> Ah, cool.
20110916 05:42:35< Espreon> So, what're you interested in?
20110916 05:44:08< jabagawee> honestly, anything
20110916 05:44:12< jabagawee> i'm looking at the EasyCoding page
20110916 05:44:17< jabagawee> because i'm really new to this stuff
20110916 05:44:23< jabagawee> and i don't know where to start o_o
20110916 05:44:29< Espreon> Hmmm...
20110916 05:45:43< Espreon> Well, if you want, you could implement gettext support in WML and our Lua stuff, but yeah...
20110916 05:45:54< Espreon> That's one thing we need.
20110916 05:46:12< jabagawee> mmh
20110916 05:46:13< Espreon> You could also expose more stuff to the Lua part of the engine.
20110916 05:46:23< jabagawee> that sounds cool
20110916 05:46:25< jabagawee> i'll take a look at it
20110916 05:46:33< jabagawee> actually, first i'm gonna get some dinner :P
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20110916 05:47:05< Espreon> All right.
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20110916 06:45:58< jabagawee> hi i'm back :D
20110916 06:47:21< shadowm_laptop> we could tell as much with the nick change
20110916 06:47:41< jabagawee> yeah but nick changes don't cause notifications in most irc clients
20110916 06:47:49< jabagawee> i was wondering if Espreon was still here
20110916 06:47:50< shadowm_laptop> people usually are not interested
20110916 06:48:20< shadowm_laptop> and what you said is actually wrong, too
20110916 06:49:13< jabagawee> oh whoops, usually irc clients that i've experienced highlight the window for nick mentions, light up for messages, and generally ignore join/part/nick-changes
20110916 06:49:56< Espreon> jabagawee: I am.
20110916 06:50:02< shadowm_laptop> thought you meant non-highlight notifications in general, which still annoy some people causing most chanops to frown upon status-nick changes
20110916 06:52:18< jabagawee> ah sorry. either way, i was just wondering where i can try to dip my toes into development. is there something to read to familiarize myself with how the codebase works and how everything just fits together?
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20110916 06:53:36< shadowm_laptop> usually, asking here about specific components you want to work with is a better idea
20110916 06:54:07< jabagawee> well in all honestly, i'm at what you would see as "total beginner"
20110916 06:54:30< jabagawee> my original plan was to trawl through the bug tracker and look for ridiculously small bugs, but even then i feel scared of approaching
20110916 06:54:34< jabagawee> any suggestions?
20110916 06:54:55< shadowm_laptop> there's also http://wiki.wesnoth.org/HackingWesnoth , http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CodingStandards and http://devdocs.wesnoth.org/
20110916 06:55:19< shadowm_laptop> you'll certainly want to start with checking out SVN trunk
20110916 06:55:41< jabagawee> already checked out trunk. what's your opinion on http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EasyCoding?
20110916 06:55:47< jabagawee> are the items in there outdated/too old?
20110916 06:56:13< shadowm_laptop> no idea, haven't checked it in years :(
20110916 06:56:30< shadowm_laptop> (I'm not really as active as I used to be.)
20110916 06:57:41< Espreon> jabagawee: You can scratch pretty much everything FAI-related.
20110916 06:58:41< Espreon> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EasyCoding?#Add_support_of_.5Bif.5D_for_.5Bscenario.5D ... This'd be nice.
20110916 06:58:48< jabagawee> alright
20110916 06:58:53< jabagawee> should i also read http://wiki.wesnoth.org/FormulaAI ?
20110916 06:59:13< Espreon> If you want.
20110916 06:59:23< Espreon> FAI's deprecated.
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20110916 07:00:00< jabagawee> wait o_o so i should work on stuff FAI-related, but FAI is deprecated?
20110916 07:00:22< Espreon> I said not to.
20110916 07:00:48< jabagawee> ohhh
20110916 07:00:51< jabagawee> scratch as in byebye
20110916 07:00:59< jabagawee> i thought you meant scratch as in "scratch an itch"
20110916 07:02:05< Espreon> I see.
20110916 07:02:51< jabagawee> so WML
20110916 07:03:00< jabagawee> i'm assuming wesnoth markup lang?
20110916 07:03:39< Espreon> Yeah.
20110916 07:06:39< jabagawee> "Implementation-wise, WML files are handled mainly by the config class"
20110916 07:06:43< jabagawee> now to find this config class
20110916 07:08:05< shadowm_laptop> src/config.hpp
20110916 07:08:31< jabagawee> yeah ok maybe i'm a bit TOO inexperience
20110916 07:08:31< jabagawee> d
20110916 07:08:33< jabagawee> to handle this.
20110916 07:10:27< Espreon> Maybe go through the patch tracker and get some patches in-sync?
20110916 07:10:46< Espreon> Or look through the bug tracker for some minor bugs?
20110916 07:11:05< jabagawee> yeah the bug tracker was what i was thinking of
20110916 07:11:15< jabagawee> what does it mean to get patches in sync?
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20110916 07:12:03< Espreon> To make it so that patches can still be cleanly applied to HEAD.
20110916 07:12:31< shadowm_laptop> thought we still forced people to maintain their patches on their own
20110916 07:13:23< Espreon> Yeah, but either they forget or a dev deems it good, says he'll get to it later, and forgets about it.
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20110916 07:18:24< jabagawee> how does maintaining patches even work? even if i say they can be cleanly applied, a dev would still have to review to be sure, no?
20110916 07:19:02< Espreon> Well, yeah.
20110916 07:22:47< Espreon> jabagawee: Just find a neglected patch a dev has deemed to be good.
20110916 07:23:15< jabagawee> alright
20110916 07:23:21< Espreon> jabagawee: Like this one: https://gna.org/patch/index.php?1381
20110916 07:23:21< jabagawee> i'll take a look at it tomorrow
20110916 07:23:38< Espreon> OK.
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20110916 07:52:45< Espreon> jabagawee: ... Or you could add support for the twelve-hour format to the in-game clock. But that'd involve touching icky GUI1 and ThemeWML.
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20110916 08:30:52< zookeeper> Espreon, which reminds me that something we really need is to expand the ToD tooltip to actually show the whole ToD cycle, not just the current one.
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20110916 08:32:54< Espreon> zookeeper: Oh?
20110916 08:33:58< Espreon> Wouldn't that make it... too big?
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20110916 08:34:32< zookeeper> i don't see why it'd be too big if it was just pretty tall.
20110916 08:35:09< shadowmaster> I imagine the UtBS schedule would push the minimum working height of 480 quite a bit
20110916 08:35:16< Espreon> Yeah.
20110916 08:35:21< zookeeper> smaller font?
20110916 08:35:31< Espreon> Eh... no.
20110916 08:35:49< Espreon> Not everything's readable at such small sizes.
20110916 08:36:11< Espreon> CJKV would suffer.
20110916 08:36:15< shadowmaster> either the font size gets changed for all tooltips or none
20110916 08:36:30< zookeeper> well, anyway, the inability to know what the future ToD's are is quite annoying. not with the default schedule, but with all the special ones, like the nighttime-only schedules or the UtBS one.
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20110916 08:37:46< Espreon> Well, we'd need something else...
20110916 08:40:49< Espreon> And since we don't have a UI expert, blargh...
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20110916 12:24:31< thonsew>  would like to make a short impassioned plea.  Please,     file bug reports at https://gna.org/bugs/?func=additem&group=wesnoth      . My Wesnoth (Fedora 15) works fine, and I can not fix bugs I do not know about.  Keeping the bug count down by not reporting bugs, does not fix bugs.  If I can see all the problems at once, it helps.  I can ask for additonal information, such as stackframes then I can fix problems that I can not replicate 
20110916 12:24:32< thonsew> on my machine.  I hope to see the bug number shoot up and I thank you for your help.
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20110916 14:28:39< CIA-7> thonsew * r51204 /trunk/utils/gdb/ (4 files): 
20110916 14:28:39< CIA-7> Updated pretty printers
20110916 14:28:39< CIA-7> 1. Added import os for installations where it is not a default
20110916 14:28:39< CIA-7> 2. Improved check for empty unordered_map
20110916 14:28:39< CIA-7> 3. Moved strip_type to its own file
20110916 14:28:39< CIA-7> thonsew * r51205 /trunk/src/variable.cpp: Reverted wml parsing error behavior to sending a console log warning
20110916 14:28:46< CIA-7> thonsew * r51206 /trunk/src/ (dialogs.cpp savegame.cpp savegame.hpp): 
20110916 14:28:46< CIA-7> Fixed bug #18649 Trying to load game causes segfault.
20110916 14:28:46< CIA-7> The game and their summaries were de-coupled. I placed them in a single structure to guarantee correspondence.
20110916 14:42:18< Rhonda> hmm, why is the wesnoth trailer not linked on the website?
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20110916 16:48:49< CIA-7> espreon * r51207 /trunk/utils/gdb/wesnoth_type_tools.py: Ran svn:eol-style.
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20110916 17:05:15< anonymissimus> thonsew: I don't quite get the reason for a plea; there's still #bug 18639 and #bug 18640 supposedly caused by your changes, #bug 18626 and new reported severe #bug 18663
20110916 17:06:32< anonymissimus> Espreon: kind of weird that you are bothered by some bugs only you can reproduce, my savegames show up fine
20110916 17:06:44< AI0867> wesbot: bug 18639?
20110916 17:06:57< AI0867> wesbot: bug #18639?
20110916 17:07:49< AI0867> wesbot: bug #18639
20110916 17:07:50< wesbot> Bug #18639  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20110916 17:07:50< wesbot> Summary: Race names aren't translated in the sidebar
20110916 17:07:50< wesbot> Original submission: As said in the title, race names aren't translated in the
20110916 17:07:53< wesbot>  "sidebar" of the Create Dialog. As byspel, if this dialog were to be invoked wi
20110916 17:07:56< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?18639
20110916 17:08:01< AI0867> wesbot: bug #18640
20110916 17:08:01< wesbot> Bug #18640  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20110916 17:08:01< wesbot> Summary: Faulty translation switching
20110916 17:08:01< wesbot> Original submission: When switching translations in-game without restarting We
20110916 17:08:04< wesbot> snoth, some strings aren't replaced. I've noticed this with the type strings in 
20110916 17:08:07< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?18640
20110916 17:17:25< anonymissimus> bug #18663 looks like an easy-to-reproduce for a crash I got too
20110916 17:17:41< anonymissimus> so it was good not to report that
20110916 17:18:04< AI0867> I tried to fix a different bug in the tutorial I encountered on my phone
20110916 17:18:10< AI0867> but I can't test the fix =/
20110916 17:18:18< anonymissimus> yep, thats the way it is atm
20110916 17:18:41< anonymissimus> when I try to reproduce something or code something I hit some other bug
20110916 17:22:02< Espreon> anonymissimus: Yeah, they show up fine for you.
20110916 17:22:05< Espreon> Not for me.
20110916 17:22:32< Espreon> There's some black magick going on here.
20110916 17:23:09< Espreon> So, who knows who else will be affected.
20110916 17:23:25< Espreon> anonymissimus: If I weren't felling nice today, I'd smack you!
20110916 17:26:17< anonymissimus> Espreon: i mean, perhaps you can find out about the certain circumstances _why_ you have these problems, so it can be fixed better
20110916 17:27:21< Espreon> Probably more token stuff.
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20110916 17:54:43< anonymissimus> thonsew, AI0867 yes, backtrace for my crash looks very similar to bug #18663
20110916 17:55:24< anonymissimus> [print] crashes the engine it seems
20110916 17:56:46< anonymissimus> also, its clear that before I can reproduce further bugs such things need to be fixed...
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20110916 17:59:10< Ivanovic> Rhonda: maybe because noone told me about there *being* a (new) trailer?
20110916 17:59:49< Espreon> Ivanovic: It's been around for quite a while, actually. It was made during GCI.
20110916 18:00:09< Ivanovic> and noone reminded me to update the frontpage!
20110916 18:01:54< Espreon> We thought you were magic! ;(
20110916 18:03:40< Espreon> And I made a semicolon instead of a colon twice today.
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20110916 18:03:47< Espreon> ... Sadness.
20110916 18:07:32< anonymissimus> Espreon: great report, and that one I get too
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20110916 18:10:29< Espreon> Yup.
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20110916 18:15:00< anonymissimus> if you find a way to reliably reproduce it, post it pls
20110916 18:15:40< Espreon> Of course.
20110916 18:19:58< anonymissimus> thonsew certainöy can't complain about no bugs to work on now xD
20110916 18:20:48< Espreon> Yup.
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20110916 19:51:39< fendrin> Why are there units that flash when selected and ones that don't?
20110916 20:08:17< Rhonda> Ivanovic: You did miss GCI? Now that puzzles me a fair bit.
20110916 20:08:30< Ivanovic> Rhonda: of course i missed it!
20110916 20:08:42< Rhonda> I've even got the shirt!
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20110916 21:08:34< Espreon> fendrin: Are you sure it's just not that noticeable for some?
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20110916 21:11:02< shadowmaster> oops
20110916 21:11:31< Gambit> Way to go. Exposing the top secret location of the bat cave.
20110916 21:12:12< Ivanovic> who is a cave bat?
20110916 21:12:58< Gambit> The secret hide out of the fictional superhero "Batman"
20110916 21:13:52< fendrin> Espreon: hmmm
20110916 21:13:53< zookeeper> fendrin, because it's surely a bug.
20110916 21:14:03< zookeeper> (if it happens)
20110916 21:14:12< fendrin> The flash is the bug?
20110916 21:14:16< Espreon> No.
20110916 21:14:24< Espreon> The non-flashing would be a bug.
20110916 21:15:09< fendrin> The Wolf Rider in the test scenario is not flashing for example.
20110916 21:17:21< Ivanovic> Gambit: but he posted about it on fakebook, so it can't be secret anymore!
20110916 21:17:26< Espreon> It might be a standing animation interfering with the click animation.
20110916 21:18:18< Espreon> And the Wolf Rider does have standing animations.
20110916 21:18:33< Espreon> The saurians don't have the standard click animations either.
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20110916 21:21:11< fendrin> hi Crab_
20110916 21:21:19< Crab_> hi
20110916 21:22:24< Espreon> Hmmmm, labels render over the chatlog.
20110916 21:22:28< Espreon> Blargh.
20110916 21:26:29< Espreon> boucman: 'Lo. Units with standing animations don't flash when clicked on.
20110916 21:26:41< boucman> ???
20110916 21:26:48< boucman> I havn't touched that area in ages...
20110916 21:26:51< boucman> since when ?
20110916 21:27:08< Espreon> Who knows?
20110916 21:27:44< boucman> hmm
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20110916 21:30:09< CIA-7> thonsew * r51208 /trunk/src/dialogs.cpp: Fixed loading saved games without replays, which were being ignored
20110916 21:30:11< CIA-7> thonsew * r51209 /trunk/utils/gdb/ (wesnoth_gdb.py wesnoth_pretty_printers.py): 
20110916 21:30:11< CIA-7> Added set_levels_of_recursion to pretty printers
20110916 21:30:11< CIA-7> Added help function to wesnoth_gdb for the pretty printers.
20110916 21:30:11< CIA-7> Usage from within gdb:
20110916 21:30:11< CIA-7> python wesnoth_gdb.help()
20110916 21:30:17< CIA-7> thonsew * r51210 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: 
20110916 21:30:17< CIA-7> FIx bug #18663
20110916 21:30:17< CIA-7> t_string & to a config::attribute_value was binding to a temporary copy.
20110916 21:30:39< Espreon> thonsew: 'Lo.
20110916 21:30:54< thonsew> Thank you AI0867 , anonymissimus  and Espreon .  bug 18663 was the perfect report to find the problems simply.
20110916 21:32:12< thonsew> The problem is that (I think) t_string & to attribute_value & are being converted by the legacy implicit conversion operator to bind to a temporary copy.
20110916 21:32:35< thonsew> That is fixed only for the case AI0867 reported in the tutorial. 
20110916 21:34:06< thonsew> I will be fixing the remainder now.  If someone could try the latest patch and check that you can get past the Selection screen that AI0867 was unable to pass that would be great.  Otherwise I will by typing away.
20110916 21:34:15< thonsew> Thanks again.
20110916 21:35:02< Espreon> No prob.
20110916 21:35:34< anonymissimus> hopefully "breakage time" has its end in sight now
20110916 21:36:40< thonsew> anonymissimus, I very much hope so.  If I had been more clever the bug you reported with the x,y values in game_events was due to the same problem.
20110916 21:38:19< Espreon> anonymissimus: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=507187#p507187
20110916 21:40:23< anonymissimus> thonsew: I recommend you check out my addon SoW from the UMC repo anyway, you need a complex lua using mp addon to test
20110916 21:40:54< anonymissimus> that particular shared_object crash is gone, btu theres a lot left
20110916 21:41:04< Espreon> thonsew: The dates in the load dialog are screwed up.
20110916 21:41:13< anonymissimus> and I'm very sure that akk is caused by the engine, nto the addon
20110916 21:41:22< Espreon> The dialog claims my saves were made on December 31st 1969.
20110916 21:41:38< AI0867> (time_t)-1 ?
20110916 21:41:59< anonymissimus> I clicked "back to turn 1" and the functions are suddenly unknown, somethign with initializing the lua state is wrong now
20110916 21:42:18< Espreon> thonsew: This applies to new saves too.
20110916 21:42:51< thonsew> anonymissimus, I only fixed the 1 t_string, there are still many not fixed.  I just wanted to know if it worked for the one case.
20110916 21:43:13< anonymissimus> yes, that one case works now
20110916 21:43:19< thonsew> Espreon, saves I'll try and sort that quickly
20110916 21:43:41< Espreon> thonsew: Also, the minimap preview's the same for all saves.
20110916 21:44:05< anonymissimus> now I got [check_version] not supported upon restart...thats complete nonsense, that has to work
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20110916 21:44:45< anonymissimus> and the "sometimes the game segfaults at exit" - bug
20110916 21:45:27< anonymissimus> it also happens when clicking "finish" on the title screen, not only the cross
20110916 21:46:24< Espreon> thonsew: And the leader sprites are no longer shown.
20110916 21:47:47< anonymissimus> hm seems breakage time will last long
20110916 21:48:18< anonymissimus> Espreon: I ket someone else reply in that topic...
20110916 21:48:26< anonymissimus> let
20110916 21:48:31< Espreon> OK.
20110916 21:51:32< fendrin> shadowmaster: "I said if"
20110916 21:52:27< shadowmaster> no, I did
20110916 21:52:45< fendrin> shadowmaster: I think I did not understand right what you meant in your earlier post.
20110916 21:53:09< shadowmaster> let me rephrase then:
20110916 21:53:16< fendrin> Yes, please :-)
20110916 21:54:29< shadowmaster> unless having such a thing as an option in the game will allow people using alternative devices (such as the aforementioned touchscreens) to enjoy a better experience than with the defaults, there's no point in providing extra user interfaces that will have to be covered by every relevant guide (manuals, add-on authors explaining gameplay, etc.)
20110916 21:54:49< shadowmaster> user interfaces, or user interface modes
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20110916 21:55:57< fendrin> shadowmaster: Yes, that is why I think that there needs to be a "PC modern mouse (many buttons, wheels)", a joypad and a seperate touchscreen interface mode.
20110916 21:56:23< fendrin> + the classic modes for the older players
20110916 21:56:42< fendrin> s/classic modes/classic mode
20110916 21:56:52< shadowmaster> but that is overkill; just the first and third options are needed
20110916 21:57:21< fendrin> So no classic mode and no joypad?
20110916 21:57:32< shadowmaster> the joypad mode should be available at all times if there's such a device connected
20110916 21:57:54< shadowmaster> there's no reason I shouldn't be able to use a joypad and a mouse at the same time if I have both plugged in
20110916 21:58:23< fendrin> good point
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20110916 22:02:22< anonymissimus> thonsew: yeah, something with re-reading the lua files upon "back to turn x" is very much wrong
20110916 22:03:14< anonymissimus> i bet its related to the stuff with teh queued events which you changed I didnt unerstand
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20110916 22:06:39< thonsew> I bet most/everything is due to the t_string binding to random data.  The changes that I made were to fix a static initialization problem with the event handlers initialization.  You can check it.
20110916 22:14:38< Espreon> Hmmmm, the "Here" label in the tutorial gets clipped to "Her".
20110916 22:14:49< Espreon> And the code does specify "Here"; not "Her".
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20110916 22:20:58< Espreon> fendrin: ^
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20110916 23:18:16< Espreon> anonymissimus: OK, someone replied to it.
20110916 23:24:35< anonymissimus> so does that mean that if nobody had replied it would have been my job ? why didn't YOU reply ? not enough time or energy, hm ?
20110916 23:27:21< Espreon> Just letting you know.
20110916 23:27:40< Espreon> Why would I need to reply to it?
20110916 23:27:46< Espreon> I don't maintain our Lua stuff.
20110916 23:29:50< anonymissimus> ok thanks, but I knew Elvish_Hunter would take care of it ;)
20110916 23:30:03< Elvish_Hunter> Heh.
20110916 23:30:20< anonymissimus> well, you know lua, so you could have voiced your thoughts
20110916 23:31:41< anonymissimus> Elvish_Hunter: well, generally, we have atm much more important problems than such features, as you may have noticed
20110916 23:31:57< Elvish_Hunter> Unfortunately :-(
20110916 23:32:02< anonymissimus> breakage time in trunk due to token stuff
20110916 23:34:03< Elvish_Hunter> By the way, is anybody interested in having a helper.get_text_input function?
20110916 23:34:13< Elvish_Hunter> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=35021
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