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20110920 02:56:52< CIA-7> alarantalara * r51232 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/cave/ (2 files): Fix discontinuity on earthy cave wall
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20110920 03:30:15< CIA-7> alarantalara * r51233 /trunk/data/core/ (11 files in 3 dirs): Add south spearman run animation (TSI says good to go)
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20110920 09:54:23< Ivanovic> moin
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20110920 11:16:03< Sapient> any lua coders here?
20110920 11:19:13< Sapient> wesbot: seen Anonymissimus
20110920 11:19:13< wesbot> Sapient: The person with the nick anonymissimus last spoke 12h 10m ago.  10h 51m ago they left with the message: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]
20110920 11:21:53< Sapient> Wesnoth1.9.9/data/lua/wml-tags.lua:417: bad argument #3 to 'format' (number expected, got nil)
20110920 11:23:27< Sapient> ah, I think I see what's happening
20110920 11:24:00< Sapient> .length of non-existant containers is supposed to return 0, but instead it is getting nil somehow
20110920 11:26:15< Sapient> if someone changed that behavior then that could cause a lot of problems
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20110920 11:41:11< Sapient> I made a quick fix by changing line 411, but this should not be considered a real fix:
20110920 11:41:13< Sapient> 		idx = wesnoth.get_variable(var .. ".length") or 0
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20110920 11:56:50< Sapient> hi again
20110920 11:57:19< Sapient> who is "thonsew"?
20110920 11:57:33< Sapient> wesbot: seen thonsew
20110920 11:57:33< wesbot> Sapient: The person with the nick thonsew last spoke 3d 13h ago.  3d 11h ago person left: "Leaving"
20110920 11:59:27< Sapient> I have a lot of reservations and concerns about recent changes to variable.cpp,,, in fact I am tempted to roll it all the way back to r48886
20110920 12:00:43< Sapient> it fundamentally changes the language to treat WML with such strictness
20110920 12:01:36< Sapient> throwing an exception for a wrong WML array index is, in my view, wrong-headed
20110920 12:02:31< Sapient> anyways, catch me later or start a forum thread in Coder's if you wish to discuss
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20110920 14:50:31< anonymissimus> Sapient: make a bug report for that pls
20110920 14:51:03< anonymissimus> (should break a ton of wml too)
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20110920 15:01:01< anonymissimus> sapient: well, a quick attempt to reproduce (uninitialized variable) wasn't successful, so you probably need some specific conditions...
20110920 15:04:07< Mkaysi> wesbot: version
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20110920 16:31:10< wesbot> Mkaysi: 1.8.6, 1.9.9, choose your preference
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20110920 19:39:21< Mkaysi> wesbot seems to lag very much. And I meant the version of the bot, which is probably Gambot something
20110920 19:41:22< Gambit> Huhwhat?
20110920 19:41:44< Mkaysi> 16:04:07        Mkaysi | wesbot: version
20110920 19:41:50< Mkaysi> 17:31:10        wesbot | Mkaysi: 1.8.6, 1.9.9, choose your preference
20110920 19:42:00< Gambit> Wow that was slow
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20110920 19:42:20< Mkaysi> Or then there isn't command for version and someone said that manually
20110920 19:42:27< Gambit> wesbot is Rhonda's
20110920 19:42:32< Gambit> I think
20110920 19:42:43< Gambit> was fast
20110920 19:42:44< wesbot> Gambit: Sometimes we are fast
20110920 19:42:49< Gambit> Indeed.
20110920 19:47:41< Mkaysi> Ok
20110920 19:47:43< Mkaysi> wesbot: ping
20110920 19:48:15 * Mkaysi has weird feeling that wesbot isn't a real bot.
20110920 19:50:23< Gambit> I think primarily it does various interactions with gna
20110920 19:50:24< Gambit> wesbot: help
20110920 19:50:24< wesbot> Gambit: I could tell you about bug(s), feature(s), task(s), patch(es), a log revision, update the topic, last seen of people... you name it.
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20110920 19:55:57< Mkaysi> Hmm
20110920 19:56:41< Mkaysi> wesbot: bug 18693
20110920 19:56:41< wesbot> Bug #18693  Assigned to: None  Status: Wont Fix  Priority: 5 - Normal
20110920 19:56:44< wesbot> Summary: Debug mode can be used in Network multiplayer.
20110920 19:56:47< wesbot> Original submission: Debug mode can be used in Network multiplayer (Create uni
20110920 19:56:50< wesbot> ts, change their sides, add gold and so on...).This causes the other side to get
20110920 19:56:53< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?18693
20110920 19:56:59< Mkaysi> I see
20110920 19:57:13 * Mkaysi wonders will anything happen to that
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20110920 21:12:03< wesbot> Mkaysi: pong
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20110920 22:07:02< CIA-7> torangan * r51234 /trunk/ (6 files in 6 dirs): swedish translation update
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20110920 23:20:50< CIA-7> thonsew * r51235 /trunk/src/dialogs.cpp: Fixed bug #18682 load dialog bug where all times were 1969, by changing incorrect iterator from i to j on line 624. Bug #18683 is not fixed by this patch. Other bug in the series are bug #18665, bug #18649
20110920 23:20:58< CIA-7> thonsew * r51236 /trunk/src/ (56 files in 11 dirs): 
20110920 23:20:58< CIA-7> Fix implicit static cast of config::attribute_value & to tstring & or t_token
20110920 23:20:58< CIA-7> reference causes crashes. Some compilers were generating a temporary object and
20110920 23:20:58< CIA-7> binding a reference to the temporary when creating an implicit cast to an
20110920 23:20:58< CIA-7> attribute value. I removed the implicit cast and replaced all (I think)
20110920 23:20:58< CIA-7> instances of the implicit cast with explicit 2 step operation. This fixes bugs
20110920 23:20:59< CIA-7> like bug #18663, bug #18684
20110920 23:21:04< CIA-7> thonsew * r51237 /trunk/data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/1_Tutorial.cfg: Fixed access to an uncreated variable, by creating the variables in the start event.
20110920 23:21:11< CIA-7> thonsew * r51238 /trunk/src/utils/interned.hpp: 
20110920 23:21:11< CIA-7> Added generate_safe_static_const_t_interned as part 1 of fix for static de-initialization problems, causing crashes on exit.
20110920 23:21:11< CIA-7> Made default t_interned to be not reference counted.
20110920 23:21:17< CIA-7> thonsew * r51239 /trunk/utils/gdb/wesnoth_pretty_printers.py: 
20110920 23:21:17< CIA-7> Fixed attribute_value fake enum to match C++ code
20110920 23:21:17< CIA-7> Fixed t_interened printer to handle unititialized t_interens correctly
20110920 23:21:17< CIA-7> Changed the variable levels of recursion to better handle null pointers and keep the correct level of recursion.
20110920 23:21:25< CIA-7> thonsew * r51240 /trunk/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 
20110920 23:21:25< CIA-7> Added support for t_token to lua code.
20110920 23:21:25< CIA-7> 1. Created a t_token metatable along with support code for indexing, garbage collection, tostring, tonumber, comparison and concatenation.
20110920 23:21:25< CIA-7> 2. Adjusted string comparison and lookup in lua code to work with either t_token or string.
20110920 23:21:25< CIA-7> This addresses in part bug #18631, bug #18695. Before this lua was treating all t_token as either tstrings or strings.
20110920 23:21:35< CIA-7> thonsew * r51241 /trunk/src/ (45 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)
20110920 23:21:36< CIA-7> Attempt to fix static de-initialization problems. Some compilers are calling
20110920 23:21:36< CIA-7> destructors for static objects before other static objects use them in their
20110920 23:21:36< CIA-7> destructors. This patch initializes static t_interned objects with new and
20110920 23:21:36< CIA-7> intentionally doesn't call delete in order to guarrantee their existence
20110920 23:21:36< CIA-7> throughout the static de-initialization phase. It creates a new function
20110920 23:21:37< CIA-7> generate_safe_static_const_t_interned for this purpose. It might address bug
20110920 23:21:41< CIA-7> thonsew * r51242 /trunk/src/race.cpp: Remove unused token.
20110920 23:22:22< anonymissimus> uh-oh I wonder hoe many bugs are introduced by these revisions...
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20110920 23:35:09< Sapient> thonsew: hi
20110920 23:35:32< thonsew> Hello Sapient
20110920 23:36:12< Sapient> I am sorry if my comments sounded rude but it is a pleasure to "meet" you
20110920 23:36:32< Sapient> how long have you been contributing to Wesnoth?
20110920 23:37:01< Sapient> and do you work on any other open source projects?
20110920 23:38:06< Sapient> is this an alias for dave? lol
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20110920 23:38:26< thonsew> I've been submitting small patches for a couple of months and bigger changes in the last month.
20110920 23:39:16< Sapient> ok, well I well assume you are a new person and not an alias as you wish
20110920 23:39:37< Sapient> do you mind if I ask why you are changing WML to be a strict mode language?
20110920 23:41:23< thonsew> I think that reporting mode errors makes debugging and building new content easier.  Silent errors fester.
20110920 23:41:47< Sapient> as a programmer I agree with you
20110920 23:42:06< Sapient> but what you may not realize is that most content authors are not programmers
20110920 23:42:26< CIA-7> loonycyborg * r51243 /trunk/src/ (serialization/parser.cpp time_of_day.cpp): Fixed compile warnings.
20110920 23:42:57< shadowmaster> uh, I thought the WML strictness idea came from the people behind the WML validator GSoC project?
20110920 23:43:04< shadowmaster> (i.e. mordante and Sytyi)
20110920 23:43:29< thonsew> That is why I requested help from Espreon and other (anyone really ) in phrasing the errors for non-programmers.  From my side of the fence I can't see how these error messages look to content developers.
20110920 23:43:59 * shadowmaster is probably just confused since he's not paid much attention lately.
20110920 23:44:35< Sapient> is Ken_Oh also onboard with these changes?
20110920 23:44:36< thonsew> Sorry, I thought Sapient was asking about the new parses in variables.cpp and formula_string_backend.cpp.  I had absolutely nothing to do with the validator.
20110920 23:45:46< thonsew> s/parses/parsers
20110920 23:46:14< Sapient> I would strongly suggest you seek feedback among our WML Pioneer group before making such a drastic and fundamental change
20110920 23:46:45< Sapient> I suspect that many of them who rely on the existing behavior might be unhappy
20110920 23:46:57< anonymissimus> thonsew: I get maybe 10% of your code yes, but you should imo step nack a lot an be more carfull; wesnoth has never been in such a bad state in teh last 2+ years
20110920 23:47:32< Sapient> anonymissimus: careful we programmers have sensitive egos sometimes ;)
20110920 23:47:53< anonymissimus> yes carefull sry
20110920 23:48:25< shadowmaster> no, careful :)
20110920 23:48:32< Sapient> I found out that the quickest way to get programmers to leave the project is to say something about "Coding Standards"
20110920 23:48:35< anonymissimus> a fix introducing two new bugs isnt worth it
20110920 23:48:38< shadowmaster> with a single 'l'
20110920 23:49:22< anonymissimus> this is no longer funny here, meeting some new bug no matter what I do
20110920 23:49:36< thonsew> I will get us back under 200 bugs, even the window's bugs.
20110920 23:49:43< anonymissimus> yes yes <- poor typist
20110920 23:51:03< CIA-7> loonycyborg * r51244 /trunk/src/tools/exploder_cutter.cpp: Fixed compile error when building exploder.
20110920 23:51:41< Sapient> can we at least agree to open a dialog on "WML Strictness" in the forum?
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20110920 23:52:12< Sapient> I think there is a very real possibility that some or all of these changes may be reverted
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20110920 23:52:34< Sapient> And I would hate to see you wasting a lot of effort on it, if so
20110920 23:52:55< shadowmaster> Sapient: what is your opinion on the WML engine changing attribute values behind people's backs?
20110920 23:53:10< thonsew> Sapient, to be clear I did not change any WML syntax only the text and clarity of the error messages.
20110920 23:53:37< Sapient> shadowmaster: on the surface it sounds bad but I'm not sure what you mean
20110920 23:53:42< shadowmaster> https://gna.org/bugs/?16571
20110920 23:53:59< Sapient> oh yes, I saw that one
20110920 23:54:07< shadowmaster> that's a pre-existing 1.9.x problem that deserves more attention!
20110920 23:54:35< shadowmaster> nobody seemed to call out silene on it back in the day though; I'm guessing because he was a "veteran"
20110920 23:54:46< Sapient> I agree.... it's rather humiliating that such a bug would even exist
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20110920 23:56:08< Sapient> well TBH I prefer 1.6 over 1.8
20110920 23:56:13< Sapient> Pre-Lua
20110920 23:57:19< Sapient> but at the same time I can respect the amount of guts it takes to try such a crazy integration
20110920 23:57:24< loonycyborg> thonsew: It looks like ./wesnoth -t is giving lua errors again.
20110920 23:57:42< anonymissimus> ...
20110920 23:57:42< CIA-7> alarantalara * r51245 /trunk/data/core/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Long delayed commit of merman fighter se attack
20110920 23:58:49< thonsew> loonycyborg, It is a t_token not being correctly parsed. I'll fix it immediately.
20110920 23:58:54< anonymissimus> thonsew: r51240 looks like it will break existing UMC, and like complete overhead 
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