--- Log opened Sat Sep 24 00:00:30 2011 20110924 00:03:40< noy> Anybody plays dominion here on BSW? 20110924 00:03:56-!- Vorpal [~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20110924 00:12:08< CIA-7> alarantalara * r51269 /trunk/data/core/ (terrain-graphics/base.cfg terrain-graphics.cfg): 20110924 00:12:08< CIA-7> Expand GENERIC_SINGLEHEX_PLFB into TERRAIN_BASE_PLFB and variants 20110924 00:12:08< CIA-7> Allows the single-hex macro to be used without directly accessing the internal macros 20110924 00:12:08< CIA-7> terrain-graphics.cfg updated to use non-internal macros 20110924 00:12:08< CIA-7> Satifies comment at start of internal-* files 20110924 00:12:17< Alarantalara> so I don't make the same mistake again 20110924 00:14:16< shadowmaster> I think an earthy rockbound cave would be nice 20110924 00:14:47< shadowmaster> I wonder if eleazar will work on requests like this nowadays 20110924 00:16:49-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@121.Red-83-61-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110924 00:22:08-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20110924 00:46:16-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110924 00:46:41-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 00:49:37-!- stikonas__ [~gentoo@84.32.245.15] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 00:52:32-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20110924 00:52:45-!- stikonas__ [~gentoo@84.32.245.15] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110924 00:58:07-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20110924 01:01:36< CIA-7> alarantalara * r51270 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: 20110924 01:01:36< CIA-7> Improve water to off-map transition - border is no longer sharp 20110924 01:01:36< CIA-7> Still needs a longer smoother image to match quality of deep water 20110924 01:02:28-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 01:03:10< Alarantalara> shadowmaster: that's the best I can do for your comment on Elensefar Courtyard without drawing anything 20110924 01:04:47-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 206 bugs, 331 feature requests, 18 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20110924 01:05:14< shadowmaster> Alarantalara: uhm, okay, I wasn't aware that the old shallow water transitions were removed 20110924 01:05:50< Alarantalara> they went away with the animated water 20110924 01:06:10< shadowmaster> ouch 20110924 01:06:35-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20110924 01:06:50< Alarantalara> also, there's a comment saying _off^_usr is themable so I can only do assorted transitions into it instead of drawing a nice smooth line from it over the map edge 20110924 01:07:18< Alarantalara> assuming that comment remains true 20110924 01:26:54-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has quit [Quit: crimson_penguin] 20110924 01:42:18< CIA-7> alarantalara * r51271 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: 20110924 01:42:18< CIA-7> Make more castle-other castle transitions work 20110924 01:42:18< CIA-7> Encampment is now default if no other match 20110924 01:42:18< CIA-7> Likely there are still some that should be something other than encampment 20110924 01:50:33-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 01:54:14-!- noy_ [~Noy@S0106001b63b6db79.vw.shawcable.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 01:54:14-!- noy_ [~Noy@S0106001b63b6db79.vw.shawcable.net] has quit [Changing host] 20110924 01:54:14-!- noy_ [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 01:57:40-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20110924 01:57:41-!- noy_ is now known as noy 20110924 02:11:03-!- loonybot [~loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110924 02:13:42< shadowmaster> is it just me, or Wesnoth's viewport fails to center on units/locations most of the time? 20110924 02:14:16< Espreon> I feel the same way. 20110924 02:15:06< anonymissimus> assign to thonsew xD 20110924 02:15:29< anonymissimus> um no, no idea 20110924 02:22:56< shadowmaster> Here's an example during a dialogue sequence in a game start event: http://shadowm.ai0867.net/viewport-shift.png . If you look at the minimap, you'll notice there's enough offscreen hexes to make it feasible to center the viewport further. 20110924 02:24:04< shadowmaster> none of the speaking units are at the center of the viewport, so it's not a case of avoiding excessive scrolling. 20110924 02:27:43< shadowmaster> all my dramatic [scroll_to]'s are rendered pretty much useless by this behavior later 20110924 02:29:36< shadowmaster> windowed vs. fullscreen doesn't make any difference either 20110924 02:31:48< CIA-7> alarantalara * r51272 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: 20110924 02:31:48< CIA-7> Further castle transition smoothing 20110924 02:31:48< CIA-7> Fixes most problems with the tall encampment keep (e.g. it now looks correct beside normal encampment keep) 20110924 02:31:48< CIA-7> Some keeps now connect like castles - no base transitions though 20110924 02:37:34-!- PetePorty [~quassel@unaffiliated/peterporty] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110924 02:38:02-!- 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/trunk/data/advanced_preferences.cfg: added option from previous revision to the UI 20110924 03:01:42< CIA-7> anonymissimus * r51276 /trunk/changelog: 20110924 03:01:42< CIA-7> changelog entry 20110924 03:01:42< CIA-7> Yup, as a campaign author using the dev version I feel annoyed by this and it works most of them time anyway. 20110924 03:15:55-!- anonymissimus [~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-046-005-024-128.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]] 20110924 03:20:41-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20110924 03:23:08-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 03:25:31-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20110924 03:27:38-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@s72-38-138-50.static.comm.cgocable.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 03:27:39-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@s72-38-138-50.static.comm.cgocable.net] has quit [Changing host] 20110924 03:27:39-!- crimson_penguin 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Are my assumptions correct? 20110924 08:38:28< shadowmaster> yes 20110924 08:38:50< leonid> Thank you. 20110924 08:46:19< noy> Espreon: can you explain to me why the way fabi_ did the alignments was the only way? 20110924 08:46:23< noy> (or fabi_ if he can) 20110924 08:46:30< noy> because someone is claiming otherwise 20110924 08:48:56-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 08:49:01-!- PetePorty [~quassel@unaffiliated/peterporty] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110924 08:49:47< Espreon> noy: Well, he probably felt as though it were the only way because he wanted to make something unique. If he brought back the old way, the old issues would be brought back. One issue is that liminal_bonus keys would need to be everywhere. 20110924 08:50:13< Espreon> noy: Who's claiming otherwise? 20110924 08:50:13< noy> was there any way to do it through ToD? 20110924 08:50:19< noy> rather not say 20110924 08:50:29< noy> what are the bonus keys? 20110924 08:51:23< Espreon> Well, all ToD definitions can take lawful_bonus= keys to decide how much lawful units get enhanced or penalized; the opposite for chaotic units. 20110924 08:51:38< Espreon> So, liminal_bonus= would do the same, but only affect liminal units. 20110924 08:52:39-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [] 20110924 08:52:42< noy> okay... 20110924 09:16:37-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@dtmd-4db22aff.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Changing host] 20110924 09:16:37-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 09:16:51< Ivanovic> moin 20110924 09:25:22< enchilado> moin 20110924 09:32:23-!- MeccaGod [majs@host189-199.bornet.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 09:37:39-!- enchilado [~enchilado@unaffiliated/enchilado] has quit [Quit: BRB] 20110924 09:39:34-!- enchilado [~enchilado@ppp118-208-12-112.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 09:39:34-!- enchilado [~enchilado@ppp118-208-12-112.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Changing host] 20110924 09:39:34-!- enchilado [~enchilado@unaffiliated/enchilado] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 09:47:02-!- enchilado [~enchilado@unaffiliated/enchilado] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20110924 09:47:14-!- enchilado [~enchilado@ppp118-208-12-112.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 09:47:14-!- enchilado [~enchilado@ppp118-208-12-112.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Changing host] 20110924 09:47:14-!- enchilado [~enchilado@unaffiliated/enchilado] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 09:49:36< Ivanovic> AI0867: forwarded a message to you 20110924 09:49:57< Ivanovic> AI0867: a forum pm that is which is related to the dutch translation and updates not being processed 20110924 09:50:46-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20110924 09:51:04-!- stikonas [~and@ctv-79-132-164-89.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 09:51:04-!- stikonas [~and@ctv-79-132-164-89.vinita.lt] has quit [Changing host] 20110924 09:51:04-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 09:58:58< AI0867> Ivanovic: he sent me one yesterday, which had already fully been translated 20110924 09:59:03< AI0867> it was the first I've heard of him 20110924 09:59:27< AI0867> that is, AOI was translated for 1.9.x during GCI 20110924 09:59:36< AI0867> and he sent me something based on 1.8.x 20110924 10:01:12-!- enchilado [~enchilado@unaffiliated/enchilado] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20110924 10:02:12< AI0867> it looks like he didn't take that too well 20110924 10:03:32< Espreon> AI0867: Well, if he doesn't wanna do things right, I guess he's not worth it. 20110924 10:04:02< AI0867> Espreon: the problem is that he went off on his own and never heard what he should be translating 20110924 10:04:35< AI0867> and the fact that 1.8.6 was not planned meant that the dutch translation updates stopped going there 20110924 10:06:34< Espreon> Is that policy noted on the translation's wiki article? If so, you could always say that notification was given. 20110924 10:08:15< AI0867> nope 20110924 10:08:42< Espreon> Perhaps you should mention that so that future issues are covered. 20110924 10:08:44< AI0867> but this is the first time someone didn't ask me how and what to translate before doing so 20110924 10:08:55< Espreon> Hmmm, I see. 20110924 10:08:55< AI0867> yeah, I should =/ 20110924 10:09:30< AI0867> and possibly the first time this 1.8/1.9 issue has cropped up 20110924 10:10:17< Espreon> I probably should make note of it in the Spanish article. 20110924 10:10:37< Espreon> Luckily, BE's complete and the OE translations aren't in 1.8. 20110924 10:12:25< Ivanovic> AI0867: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/DutchTranslation 20110924 10:12:38< Ivanovic> you can list on this wiki page on what you are currently concentrating work 20110924 10:13:06< Ivanovic> eg saying "we won't accept updates for 1.8.x anymore" as well as "pplease contact AI before working on stuff to make sure that work is not done twice" 20110924 10:13:34< Espreon> AI0867: The Spanish article has a nice table you can steal. 20110924 10:13:46< AI0867> I need to remember to update that when 1.10 is released though 20110924 10:13:47< Ivanovic> the german one, too 20110924 10:13:50< AI0867> but, yes, I'll do that 20110924 10:14:04< Ivanovic> though the german table is rather outdated these days IIRC 20110924 10:14:40< AI0867> We have something similar in DutchTranslationHelp 20110924 10:14:55< AI0867> though I'm not sure why those are two separate pages 20110924 10:16:14< Espreon> Ivanovic: But mine's in wiki markup. Tee hee. 20110924 10:16:51< Espreon> And yes, wiki tables actually appear as they should on the wiki these days. 20110924 10:17:47< AI0867> I'll fix it later today, I need to go now 20110924 10:17:50< Espreon> OK. 20110924 10:17:56-!- EdB [~edb@89.82.194.231] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 10:17:57< Espreon> See ya. 20110924 10:20:14-!- Sytyi [~Sytyi@129-42-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20110924 10:22:24-!- enchilado [~enchilado@ppp118-208-12-112.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 10:22:24-!- enchilado [~enchilado@ppp118-208-12-112.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Changing host] 20110924 10:22:24-!- enchilado [~enchilado@unaffiliated/enchilado] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 10:25:19-!- 77CAAH8Y0 [Mkaysi@adsl-215-253-18.kymp.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 10:25:19-!- talsemgeest [~talsemgee@ks383953.kimsufi.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 10:25:33-!- talsemgeest [~talsemgee@ks383953.kimsufi.com] has quit 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DutchTranslationHelp to be merged into DutchTranslation 20110924 17:38:38-!- MeccaGod [~majs@host189-199.bornet.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 17:39:16-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 17:42:23-!- beetlenaut [~dan@174.32.63.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110924 17:43:55-!- beetlenaut [~dan@174.32.63.204] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 17:48:40< Crendgrim> AI0867: can you just copy / paste everything to DutchTranslation as you'd like it to be? Then I could just remove the DutchTranslationHelp page.. 20110924 17:49:00< Crendgrim> I don't know of any "merge" utility in the Wiki software, at least.. 20110924 17:55:13-!- Sytyi [~Sytyi@179-67-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20110924 18:09:38< AI0867> we're using mediawiki, it should have one 20110924 18:09:50< AI0867> I've never administrated a mediawiki before though 20110924 18:09:55< AI0867> s/before // 20110924 18:12:40< AI0867> ah, Wikipedia:Merging says it's non-automated 20110924 18:13:24< Crendgrim> right 20110924 18:15:26< AI0867> I'll do it by hand then, I'll notify you when I'm done 20110924 18:20:07< Crendgrim> alright 20110924 18:29:27-!- noy_ [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 18:32:10-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20110924 18:32:11-!- noy_ is now known as noy 20110924 18:41:11-!- MeccaGod [~majs@host189-199.bornet.net] has quit [] 20110924 18:44:34-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110924 18:44:37-!- noy_ [~Noy@74.198.151.108] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 18:44:37-!- noy_ [~Noy@74.198.151.108] has quit [Changing host] 20110924 18:44:37-!- noy_ [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 18:51:46-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 18:54:08-!- noy_ [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20110924 18:57:10-!- noy_ [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 18:59:59-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20110924 19:00:00-!- noy_ is now known as noy 20110924 19:00:12< fabi_> hi noy 20110924 19:00:17< noy> hey fabi 20110924 19:09:40< Espreon> Ivanovic: Ah, so it is. 20110924 19:20:24-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20110924 19:30:26-!- MeccaGod [~majs@host189-199.bornet.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 19:42:08-!- stikonas [~and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20110924 19:46:25-!- stikonas [~gentoo@ctv-79-132-164-89.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 19:46:26-!- stikonas [~gentoo@ctv-79-132-164-89.vinita.lt] has quit [Changing host] 20110924 19:46:26-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 20:03:33< CIA-7> espreon * r51278 /trunk/data/multiplayer/scenarios/4p_A_New_Land.cfg: Killed instance of the singular 'they'. 20110924 20:06:59-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 20:09:40-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20110924 20:43:16-!- stikonas [~gentoo@ctv-79-132-164-89.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 20:43:17-!- stikonas [~gentoo@ctv-79-132-164-89.vinita.lt] has quit [Changing host] 20110924 20:43:17-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 20:45:43< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: is the non-working scenario you mentioned one of the already reported bugs ? such as the [set_recruit]recruit="" one ? 20110924 20:46:17< shadowmaster> no, I don't think so 20110924 20:46:27< shadowmaster> I am too busy being far more productive in UMC land atm to bother with bug reports 20110924 20:49:21< anonymissimus> well, since I say that to all of the guys in the forum too: pls report it! 20110924 20:50:14< shadowmaster> you can't force me to waste my time on that crap 20110924 20:50:21< shadowmaster> sorry 20110924 20:50:40-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@84.32.245.15] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 20:50:40-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@84.32.245.15] has quit [Changing host] 20110924 20:50:40-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 20:52:48< anonymissimus> I hope that the existing token bugs suffice for the whole thing to be reverted, but otherwise... 20110924 20:53:32< shadowmaster> otherwise a [clear_recruits] action could suddenly apppear in your playground 20110924 20:54:31-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20110924 21:01:35-!- thonsew [~thonsew__@gateway/tor-sasl/thonsew] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 21:03:18< CIA-7> thonsew * r51279 /trunk/src/ (race.cpp unit_types.cpp): Fixed some copying of gender attributes to copy attribute instead of token 20110924 21:03:19< CIA-7> thonsew * r51280 /trunk/src/ (actions.cpp actions.hpp): 20110924 21:03:19< CIA-7> Fixed bug #18680 Plague no longer works by changing a comparison from z_empty to z_null. 20110924 21:03:19< CIA-7> Removed an unused reference to poison string. 20110924 21:03:25< CIA-7> thonsew * r51281 /trunk/src/unit.cpp: 20110924 21:03:25< CIA-7> Fix for bug #18716 Some recruited/spawned units are slowed on creation. 20110924 21:03:25< CIA-7> Units with non-standard attributes were converting those atributes to an 20110924 21:03:25< CIA-7> integer, which the attribute_value::to_int function was converting to 0, which 20110924 21:03:26< CIA-7> unit::set_state interpreted as STATE_SLOW. Changed it to passing a t_token. 20110924 21:03:31< CIA-7> thonsew * r51282 /trunk/src/ (dialogs.cpp savegame.cpp savegame.hpp): Fix for bug #18665, bug load index not being rebuilt. Restored correct behavior of inserting configs for saves that are missing index enties. 20110924 21:04:05< shadowmaster> ooook 20110924 21:04:38< Espreon> Hmmm... 20110924 21:05:12< anonymissimus> go bug discovering Espreon ^^ 20110924 21:06:37 * shadowmaster gives Wesnoth 1.9.9 a hug 20110924 21:08:02< Espreon> anonymissimus: Ugh... Why can't you do so? 20110924 21:09:58< anonymissimus> you are better in finding bugs 20110924 21:10:11< anonymissimus> i'm nto very active as an addon author atm 20110924 21:14:10-!- Shakey [HydraIRC@c-24-14-169-218.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 21:14:47< Espreon> Nor am I. 20110924 21:16:08-!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 21:16:12< anonymissimus> as a wml author 20110924 21:16:21< Espreon> ... 20110924 21:16:45< Espreon> thonsew: So, how long do you plan to stay for today? 20110924 21:17:18< thonsew> Espreon, Two hours. 20110924 21:18:11< Espreon> Sadness... 20110924 21:34:42< Espreon> thonsew: I still miss my race names... 20110924 21:35:40< thonsew> Espreon, did you see the pictures I attached to the bug report? I have race names. 20110924 21:36:37< Espreon> I still don't have race names for units of race names set by "name=" instead of "male_name=" 20110924 21:37:29< thonsew> I thought that the Wose were one of those races. 20110924 21:37:53< thonsew> That was the test case you gave. 20110924 21:38:17< Espreon> And I still don't see their names in the sidebar. 20110924 21:40:50< thonsew> Can you attach a picture to the bug report so I can see what you are seeing, because I see Eldra Pudupasa in the side bar for my Wose. 20110924 21:41:02< Espreon> That's a unit name. 20110924 21:41:06< Espreon> ... not a race name. 20110924 21:41:16< Espreon> And it's not "Pudupasa". 20110924 21:41:17-!- fabi__ [~fabi@88-134-14-215-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 21:41:51-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20110924 21:42:04-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@ctv-79-132-164-89.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 21:42:04-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@ctv-79-132-164-89.vinita.lt] has quit [Changing host] 20110924 21:42:04-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 21:44:26< Espreon> thonsew: http://imagebin.org/173891 ... There should be "Ƿuduƿasa" beneath "Gamol Ƿuduƿasa". 20110924 21:45:19-!- fabi_ [~fabi@88-134-14-215-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20110924 21:46:11< thonsew> Now I understand. It is not a translation problem. It is missing in the untranslated version as well. 20110924 21:46:43< Espreon> Yeah. 20110924 21:51:28-!- stikonas__ [~gentoo@84.32.245.15] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 21:51:42< AI0867> Crendgrim: I've turned it into a redirect, so no deletion is necessary 20110924 21:51:44-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20110924 21:52:33< Crendgrim> alright 20110924 21:56:43< anonymissimus> Crendgrim: some things you could try regarding your segfault: 20110924 21:57:08< anonymissimus> -do this map replacing without any units on the map 20110924 21:57:31< anonymissimus> if you don't click turn done, you dont lose 20110924 21:57:56< anonymissimus> -and do it with modified maps (is there custom terrain ?) 20110924 21:58:43< anonymissimus> could be helpful for solving the bug or for you finding a workaround 20110924 21:58:52-!- stikonas [~gentoo@ctv-79-132-164-89.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 21:58:53-!- stikonas [~gentoo@ctv-79-132-164-89.vinita.lt] has quit [Changing host] 20110924 21:58:53-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 21:59:10< Crendgrim> ah, thanks.. 20110924 21:59:26 * Crendgrim goes searching for the bug test ground he prepared 20110924 21:59:31-!- stikonas__ [~gentoo@84.32.245.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20110924 22:01:51< anonymissimus> it's obviously a call to [replace_map] which does somehow corrupt the memory 20110924 22:02:41< anonymissimus> so I'd put that calls in menu_items; if it doesnt crash with no units then it could be unit-map related 20110924 22:03:03< anonymissimus> otherwise it could eb something about drawing 20110924 22:04:09< Gambit> thonsew: Do you plan to fix the thing with uninitialized variables or is that here to stay? 20110924 22:04:53< thonsew> I think that is fixed already. I'll look up the r number momentarily. 20110924 22:05:05< Gambit> "the thing" being where we used to be able to increment previously uninitialized variables, but now we can't 20110924 22:05:27< Gambit> Hmmm. I'm still having a problem at the latest version of trunk. 20110924 22:05:51< Gambit> *latest revision 20110924 22:06:01< Gambit> Whatever the proper terminology is. <_< 20110924 22:06:03< Espreon> thonsew: I somehow got this in my test scenario: http://pastebin.com/q4Pqruyr 20110924 22:06:32< Espreon> Lemme try to reproduce. 20110924 22:06:40< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: latest revision 20110924 22:07:12< thonsew> I answered before you finished typing. I restored that you can query uninitialized variables with index [0] and it would return false. 20110924 22:07:42< thonsew> Was the old behavior that you could increment an uninitialized variable and it would assume it to be 0? 20110924 22:07:57< Gambit> Yes 20110924 22:08:00< Crendgrim> anonymissimus: yes, it's definitely [replace_map] where it crashes... however, there are no units, as I store & kill all first... 20110924 22:08:04< Espreon> thonsew: http://pastebin.com/SddYqtWB 20110924 22:08:05< Gambit> So after incrementing it would be 1. 20110924 22:08:21< Espreon> thonsew: To reproduce, spawn something with the arcane focus attack type and end your turn. 20110924 22:08:25< anonymissimus> Crendgrim: what sort of wml event fires the replace_map btw ? 20110924 22:08:38< anonymissimus> ah a moveto IIRC 20110924 22:08:49< Crendgrim> either a moveto or a menu item action 20110924 22:08:55< Crendgrim> both leads to crashes 20110924 22:10:25< thonsew> Gambit: As in joe_dwarf[$never_seen_before +1].name would return the value of joe_dwarf[1].name 20110924 22:10:37< Crendgrim> actually, the crashes seem to happen in at least two different scenarios 20110924 22:11:39< Crendgrim> a) when displaying the inventory (up to now I could only trigger it there with the moveto event), and b) when leaving the inventory for the second (?) time and try to move (only with the menu item, as the other crashed before)... I'm not sure, though 20110924 22:12:26< thonsew> Espreon, the first message is trying to say that there is no index in give_arcance_focus_res[].resistance. Is it the same problem that Gambit just mentioned? 20110924 22:12:40< anonymissimus> Crendgrim: a workaround could be making seperated scenarios so you don't need [replace_map]... 20110924 22:12:46< Gambit> thonsew: {VARIABLE_OP never_seen_before add 1} would result in it equaling 1 20110924 22:12:51< Espreon> thonsew: Not sure. 20110924 22:13:14< Gambit> this is very important to the {FOREACH} macro in particular 20110924 22:13:19< anonymissimus> although that's be tedious to load the config each time when entering and leaving 20110924 22:13:26< anonymissimus> no, bad workaround 20110924 22:13:37< Crendgrim> hum. I just encountered yet another way to trigger it 20110924 22:13:44< Crendgrim> and again a different backtrace 20110924 22:13:49< Crendgrim> this is quite .. weird. 20110924 22:14:24< Gambit> thonsew: and $array[$never_seen_before] should equal $array[0] 20110924 22:14:33< anonymissimus> then possibly its some custom terrain ? 20110924 22:15:04< Crendgrim> there is some custom terrain, yes 20110924 22:15:08< Crendgrim> should I try to remove it? 20110924 22:15:28< anonymissimus> worth a try I guess... 20110924 22:18:54< thonsew> Gambit: In the second case never_seen_before can easily create the index. In the first case that addition happens in game_events.cpp (I think) . So by the time it reached variable.cpp it expects the index to be created either in game_events or the wml macro. Would it be acceptable to guarantee the existence of the variables in the game_events arithmetic operations? 20110924 22:19:54-!- Grimling [~FKint@91.181.147.87] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 22:20:00< Crendgrim> anonymissimus: doesm 20110924 22:20:06< Crendgrim> *doesn't work either :( 20110924 22:20:44< Gambit> I am not very familiar with Wesnoth's innards 20110924 22:22:05< thonsew> If I try and make it right with a FOREACH and some ADD, SUB DIV and MULT ops that don't declare their operands, will you check that I'v gotten it correct? 20110924 22:22:46< Gambit> Uh, sure. 20110924 22:22:59< thonsew> Thanks. 20110924 22:24:51-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes@p4FDEE16A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 22:24:59-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes@p4FDEE16A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Changing host] 20110924 22:24:59-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 22:38:13< thonsew> anonymissimus, I'd like to apologise for making poorly conceived changes in the lua code. I'm sorry for breaking things and stepping on your toes. 20110924 22:38:14< Espreon> thonsew: I get this after ending my turn after triggering the scorpion event in UtBS 2: http://pastebin.com/upBjfDdY 20110924 22:38:36< anonymissimus> accepted 20110924 22:38:53< anonymissimus> I apologize for my sometimes rude speech 20110924 22:39:26< anonymissimus> however, I still think that it would be best for the project and for you if you'd restart with the token stuff 20110924 22:40:27< anonymissimus> i believe that you felt under time pressure and you made mistakes because of this 20110924 22:42:55-!- MeccaGod [~majs@host189-199.bornet.net] has quit [] 20110924 22:45:39< thonsew> I think that without a test framework, any large changes must cause disruption because wesnoth is a general purpose engine with too many execution paths to be tested by hand. If people want to revert everything then that is fine by me. 20110924 22:47:12< anonymissimus> thonsew: I'm debugging the bug caused by the fix for the feeding ability 20110924 22:47:24< Gambit> Careful thonsew. He'll do it :P 20110924 22:47:49< anonymissimus> (which is definitely worth keepign since it adds powerful wml features) 20110924 22:48:42< thonsew> I am fine with it being reverted. I did not intend to cause any and certainly not this much disruption. 20110924 22:48:44< anonymissimus> what was you intention on the "buffering" state; during what phases should it be active and when not, in a scenario; I'm currently trying to find that out 20110924 22:49:19< Gambit> What is the fix for the feeding ability? 20110924 22:49:41< Gambit> Has that [/abilities] [+abilities] feature changed? 20110924 22:49:42< anonymissimus> well yes but that patch looks good to me; I wonder whether the feature could have been added wih changing less the structure 20110924 22:49:50< Gambit> Because it was really useful :( 20110924 22:50:07< anonymissimus> Gambit: double inserting of the feedin ability event 20110924 22:50:21< thonsew> anonymissimus, That patch is not mine. Brilliand submitted it and I just shepherded it into the code. I think brilliand intended the buffering to make the addition/removal from the event_handlers to be re-entrant, although that is a feature that I don't think we need. 20110924 22:50:32< anonymissimus> if you had 2 units with feeding, the got +2 hp on each kill 20110924 22:50:37< anonymissimus> in the same scenario 20110924 22:51:19< anonymissimus> thonsew: it is yours, in most parts, sicne he only modified yours 20110924 22:52:07< thonsew> anonymissimus, I think that you can remove the buffering. I didn't see any use cases where it was necessary. 20110924 22:55:19-!- monochromatic [~monochrom@pool-173-59-68-191.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20110924 22:55:24-!- monochromatic [~monochrom@pool-173-59-68-191.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 23:00:00-!- Crendgrim [~crend@77-22-155-217-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: ...] 20110924 23:01:37< anonymissimus> ok I see I'd rather have to ask brilliand 20110924 23:01:44< thonsew> anonymissimus, Espreon I have to go. Bye. 20110924 23:02:23< anonymissimus> that bug is also in 1.9.9 unfortunately 20110924 23:02:46< thonsew> I noticed when I bisected it. 20110924 23:03:07< Espreon> thonsew: OK, I guess I'll put the bugs I found in the tracker. 20110924 23:03:43< thonsew> tracker is best, then they aren't forgotten. 20110924 23:04:25< Espreon> Indeed. 20110924 23:04:28-!- Sarcasm [~user@163.5.205.3] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 23:04:45-!- Sarcasm [~user@163.5.205.3] has quit [Client Quit] 20110924 23:04:56-!- thonsew [~thonsew__@gateway/tor-sasl/thonsew] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20110924 23:14:06-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110924 23:14:23-!- stikonas [~gentoo@ctv-79-132-164-89.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 23:14:23-!- stikonas [~gentoo@ctv-79-132-164-89.vinita.lt] has quit [Changing host] 20110924 23:14:23-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 23:16:56< anonymissimus> Gambit: well, yes; I may do it; it's only a question of how many ages of sole doc reading, debugging and wondering about consequences this takes ;) 20110924 23:19:51-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20110924 23:22:38-!- stikonas [~gentoo@ctv-79-132-164-89.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 23:22:38-!- stikonas [~gentoo@ctv-79-132-164-89.vinita.lt] has quit [Changing host] 20110924 23:22:39-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 23:22:58-!- Sytyi [~Sytyi@179-67-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 23:23:23-!- Grimling [~FKint@91.181.147.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110924 23:24:54-!- Sytyi [~Sytyi@179-67-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20110924 23:26:05-!- Grimling [~FKint@91.181.147.87] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 23:28:45< shadowmaster> anonymissimus: apparently [store_side] makes Wesnoth claim that I'm making use of .colour when I'm not 20110924 23:29:08< anonymissimus> yes, I'm responsible for that 20110924 23:29:29< shadowmaster> ok, fix it? :) 20110924 23:29:39< anonymissimus> I thought it's a good idea to issue that warning when in debug mode 20110924 23:29:55< shadowmaster> oh, I'm in debug mode? 20110924 23:30:05< shadowmaster> ah yes, I am, then never mind 20110924 23:30:11< anonymissimus> I know of no way to find out whether you "planned" to access the .colour attribute 20110924 23:30:25< anonymissimus> or issue a warnign about it at the time that happens 20110924 23:30:29< Gambit> Wait what? 20110924 23:30:44< shadowmaster> yes, that's understandable 20110924 23:30:47< Gambit> You're warning people not to do things that don't work? 20110924 23:31:03< anonymissimus> Gambit: yep 20110924 23:31:20< anonymissimus> previously there was just deprecation without a warning 20110924 23:31:50< Gambit> Oh. Right. It used to be spelled wrong. 20110924 23:32:01< anonymissimus> not wrong, just BE 20110924 23:32:18< anonymissimus> and some consistency fanatic thinks this should be unified 20110924 23:33:04< shadowmaster> yeah: 20110924 23:33:05< Espreon> Fanatics, actually. 20110924 23:37:36-!- beetlenaut [~dan@174.32.63.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110924 23:38:20-!- beetlenaut [~dan@174.32.63.204] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 23:40:11< Mkaysi> What I should do with this error? 20110924 23:40:13< Mkaysi> 20110925 00:36:21 error general: Error while reading the WML: Mandatory WML child missing yet untested for. Please report. 20110924 23:40:52< shadowmaster> in what context? 20110924 23:45:22-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@84.32.245.15] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 23:45:23-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@84.32.245.15] has quit [Changing host] 20110924 23:45:23-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 23:47:21-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20110924 23:47:29-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 23:48:17-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20110924 23:49:34-!- stikonas__ [~gentoo@ctv-79-132-164-89.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 23:52:48-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20110924 23:52:56< CIA-7> espreon * r51283 /trunk/po/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Updated the Old English translation. 20110924 23:54:38-!- enchilado [~enchilado@unaffiliated/enchilado] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 23:56:24-!- enchilado [~enchilado@unaffiliated/enchilado] has quit [Client Quit] 20110924 23:56:42-!- enchilado [~enchilado@ppp118-208-12-112.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20110924 23:56:42-!- enchilado [~enchilado@ppp118-208-12-112.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Changing host] 20110924 23:56:42-!- enchilado [~enchilado@unaffiliated/enchilado] has joined #wesnoth-dev --- Log closed Sun Sep 25 00:00:27 2011