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20110925 00:12:02< anonymissimus> Mkaysi: with what version ?
20110925 00:12:58< Mkaysi> Battle for Wesnoth 1.9.9
20110925 00:13:00< Mkaysi> Battle for Wesnoth v1.9.9
20110925 00:13:02< Mkaysi> Started on Sun Sep 25 01:12:55 2011
20110925 00:13:04< Mkaysi> Frok Debian Sid repos
20110925 00:13:07< anonymissimus> Mkaysi: https://gna.org/bugs/?18534 with these two questions answered :P
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20110925 00:14:35< anonymissimus> https://gna.org/bugs/?group=wesnoth actually
20110925 00:17:10< Mkaysi> You want me to report bug without knowing anything about what causes it?
20110925 00:17:54< Mkaysi> I don't remember what I was doing and even debug gave as unclear explanation
20110925 00:19:12< Mkaysi> Hmm, multiplayer with age of heroes and random map?
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20110925 00:33:46< anonymissimus> Mkaysi: if you can't provide a description how to reroduce, a report doesnt make sense indeed
20110925 00:35:10< Mkaysi> I know only that I was playing with random map, got disconnected and that error was give, nothing more
20110925 00:35:12< Mkaysi> Good night
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20110925 00:45:11< shadowmaster> loonycyborg: the network dialog appears to report only integers after the 1 MiB Limit
20110925 00:46:20< shadowmaster> *limit. That is, Ithe text label at the bottom only increments every 1 MiB afterwards.
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20110925 00:51:00< loonycyborg> shadowmaster: It's AI0867's work.
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20110925 00:52:01< loonycyborg> I didn't confront him about that because I'm not sure myself which way is better.
20110925 00:52:46< shadowmaster> AI0867: we need fractions of megabytes
20110925 00:53:05< shadowmaster> especially we people without 1 MiB/sec or better connections
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20110925 00:53:41< loonycyborg> On the other hand there still is progress bar.
20110925 00:56:15< Espreon> wesbot: topic
20110925 00:56:17-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 201 bugs, 331 feature requests, 18 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20110925 00:57:32< shadowmaster> loonycyborg: it doesn't tell me much about the progress for large add-ons
20110925 01:00:53< loonycyborg> I'm not against having fractions there myself, it's just seems hard to come up with a general rule about what precision should be used.
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20110925 01:04:42< Espreon> shadowmaster: Do dates show up fine in the load game dialog for you?
20110925 01:04:50< Espreon> And yes, I mean in HEAD>
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20110925 01:23:10 * shadowmaster bites Espreon 
20110925 01:26:35< Espreon> :(
20110925 01:26:53< shadowmaster> this is all your fault. I didn't want to recompile Wesnoth again
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20110925 01:27:28< Espreon> shadowmaster: Then don't.
20110925 01:27:30< shadowmaster> because every single change lately involves an annoying almost-100%-from-scratch build cycle
20110925 01:27:42< Espreon> I'll just ask E_H instead.
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20110925 01:32:05< shadowmaster> yeah, can't continue compiling now that the lights went off and I'm on battery power
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20110925 01:32:53< Espreon> Blarghity.
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20110925 01:46:11< Soliton> Espreon: dates show up fine for me.
20110925 01:47:51< Espreon> Soliton: OK, I guess I'll mark the bug as fixed.
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20110925 02:21:52< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: btw I think that your [event][fire_event] bug can't be fixed
20110925 02:22:03< shadowmaster> awwwww ,why?
20110925 02:22:49< anonymissimus> not quite sure yet, but it is probably too problematic to add a new event handler while processing another one
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20110925 02:31:11< anonymissimus> at least I think I know the reason for the "bug" now
20110925 02:31:36< anonymissimus> due to the other bug but they affect almost the same code
20110925 02:37:17< anonymissimus> it doesn't seem a bug, the new event handler is not "enabled" before the current event has finished and there is probably some good reason for this...
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20110925 03:18:13 * anonymissimus smiles at Espreon for his new bug reports
20110925 03:18:52< anonymissimus> gn8
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20110925 04:20:49< AI0867> shadowmaster: you can use floats
20110925 04:21:09< shadowmaster> I can?
20110925 04:21:36< AI0867> or even doubles
20110925 04:21:50< AI0867> or I could do that in the interfae
20110925 04:21:50< shadowmaster> I'm not going to code that.
20110925 04:21:55< AI0867> that's also a possibility
20110925 04:22:02< AI0867> s/interfae/interface
20110925 04:22:08< shadowmaster> I have absolutely nothing to do with that dialog. :)
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20110925 04:23:11< shadowmaster> I do know that I had my own attempt at it some time ago and it failed spectacularly; I never merged it back into trunk. So... not really going to mess with the new dialog myself either.
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20110925 06:36:53< Espreon> wesbot: topic
20110925 06:36:55< wesbot> Espreon: Don't be impatient, wait until something changes...  *tsk*
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20110925 10:34:22 * AlbertZ waves hello
20110925 10:34:49< enchilado> Hello.
20110925 10:35:11< AlbertZ> :)
20110925 10:38:14< AlbertZ> I am completely new to software project development
20110925 10:38:42< AlbertZ> Would anyone be so kind to answer me some questions?:)
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20110925 15:09:36< Mkaysi> Is there any mailing list about new commits (or whatever svn calls them? I just moved to svn version :)
20110925 15:13:17< Mkaysi> janebot: !seen CIA-7
20110925 15:13:19< janebot> Mkaysi: No. 
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20110925 15:15:40< shadowmaster> https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/wesnoth-commits/
20110925 15:15:58< Mkaysi> Thanks
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20110925 15:38:56< anonymissimus> is it possible to define comma-separated lists of log domains ? would be nice: --log-debug=something,something_else
20110925 15:39:25< anonymissimus> so that a chosen subset is active, as opposed to log-debug=all
20110925 15:39:53< shadowmaster> it should be possible according to the --help
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20110925 17:02:57< BitBouncer> I though about having a tool that uses wesnoth's log-output and present it in different windows like other system-monitor-programms are able to monitor different system states.  short: a special  gui-wesnoth-log-data-viewer perhaps with output-highlighting to analyze output.
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20110925 17:07:04< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: btw I accidentally deleted my pbl file for "(Campaign-How_To) A simple campaign", maybe you could delete that from the 1.9 addons server pls
20110925 17:07:37< shadowmaster> uhm, should I ask for something in exchange?
20110925 17:09:51< shadowmaster> meh
20110925 17:10:12< shadowmaster> deleted
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20110925 17:27:14< mordante> servus
20110925 17:29:27< mordante> shadowm_laptop, I can't remember why, but I assume I looked in the source and the theme was intended as-is
20110925 17:29:56< mordante> so no bug, of course if you have a way to make it work it's great, but it's a new feature
20110925 17:30:09< shadowmaster> I'd not be surprised if what you saw (and it's probably what I currently see as well) is a misfeature.
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20110925 17:30:54< mordante> depends adding a certain limitation is not always a misfeature
20110925 17:30:56< shadowmaster> of course it's possible that back when it was introduced (1.1.x?) there was some other retarded limitation making [theme]s unavailable before add-ons were loaded
20110925 17:31:22< mordante> however if somebody can remove that limitation, more power to him or her
20110925 17:31:24< shadowmaster> I know some people around here love arbitrary limitations, though.
20110925 17:38:41< mordante> Espreon, how big is the portrait in the mystery campaign?
20110925 17:44:17< Alarantalara> morante: the portrait's actually from the rise of wesnoth. Mystery Campaign just includes it
20110925 17:44:58< Alarantalara> It says it's 500x727 there
20110925 17:45:37< mordante> do have the name of the file?
20110925 17:46:06< Alarantalara> copying Espreon's error message says it's portraits/rithrandil.png'
20110925 17:46:17< Alarantalara> from TRoW/images of course
20110925 17:48:21< mordante> ah ok I assumed it was renamed due to Espreon's last line
20110925 17:48:51< mordante> and missed the message above it
20110925 17:49:38< mordante> but it's indeed large, at some point it was said mainline images would never exceed the 500x500 size :-(
20110925 17:49:48< mordante> guess that's no longer true
20110925 17:50:52< mordante> the time before it was with a non-mainline image, that was even larger IIRC about 1000 pixels high
20110925 17:51:04< shadowmaster> I thought this was discussed with you back in the day, actually.
20110925 17:51:05< mordante> will try to find some time to look into it
20110925 17:51:39< mordante> might have missed it :-/
20110925 17:54:32< anonymissimus> can I query in-code whether a certain log domain is set (and base some debug out on that) ?
20110925 17:54:48< anonymissimus> DBG_ etc is not enough here
20110925 17:55:29< shadowmaster> that doesn't sound like a reasonable design
20110925 17:55:40< mordante> it's possible and rather easy actually, look at the LOG macro in log.hpp
20110925 17:55:48< Alarantalara> mordante: it looks like you did something to make it work more often when it first appeared, since it works fine for most screen sizes
20110925 17:55:55< mordante> but I also would take shadowmaster's advice
20110925 17:56:04< Alarantalara> the screen width has to be much larger than the height for it to happen
20110925 17:56:25< mordante> Alarantalara, ok, need to make sure I make the macro more robust
20110925 17:56:32< CIA-7> shadowmaster * r51284 /trunk/ (changelog src/game_controller.cpp src/play_controller.cpp): 
20110925 17:56:32< CIA-7> Made it possible to switch themes before entering a game or campaign (bug #10969)
20110925 17:56:32< CIA-7> I'm really not sure why this limitation was in place. Perhaps there was
20110925 17:56:32< CIA-7> an architectural constraint back when it was introduced making it
20110925 17:56:32< CIA-7> impossible to know about global [theme] nodes right after startup.
20110925 17:56:33< CIA-7> My testing indicates this doesn't have any ridiculous side-effects.
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20110925 18:04:54< anonymissimus> mordante: either don't find or don't get it or it's not there, I want basically something like if(domain set){ foreach()... }
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20110925 18:07:42< mordante> anonymissimus, doesn't if(!lg::a.dont_log(b)) do the trick?
20110925 18:08:22< mordante> where the a and b are copied for the LOG_STREAM macro
20110925 18:09:42< CIA-7> shadowmaster * r51285 /trunk/src/game_preferences_display.cpp: Preselect the current theme in the selector dialog instead of abusing the dialog instructions label
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20110925 18:31:53< CIA-7> shadowmaster * r51286 /trunk/ (changelog data/gui/default/window/addon_description.cfg): Line-wrap author names in the add-on description dialog (bug #18691)
20110925 18:36:42< shadowmaster> thonsew, Espreon, etc: note that bugs that only affected trunk after the last release should be closed after being fixed: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ReportingBugs#Bug_protocol
20110925 18:36:46< shadowmaster> anonymissimus: same
20110925 18:37:31< Espreon> I'm aware.
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20110925 19:13:29< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: it doesnt seem that has been common practice ever
20110925 19:13:47< anonymissimus> instead, ivanovic or esr did it after a release
20110925 19:13:53< Espreon> Yeah...
20110925 19:14:21< anonymissimus> even major devs such as silene almost never did that
20110925 19:15:00< anonymissimus> and since there will probably be some rople forgetting it anyway it should better stay so...
20110925 19:16:32< shadowmaster> bugs that only affected *trunk* *after* the last release
20110925 19:17:39< shadowmaster> but it's okay; I know this place is infested with lazy people ¬_¬
20110925 19:19:05< shadowmaster> also, could you stop bringing up silene at every opportunity? that's very creepy :/
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20110925 19:25:18< fabi__> mordante: Selecting a theme does already select the same theme for gui2?
20110925 19:35:40< CIA-7> alarantalara * r51287 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/walls/ (52 files): 
20110925 19:35:40< CIA-7> Revert r45007
20110925 19:35:40< CIA-7> The pillars need to cover the spaces between the hexes
20110925 19:35:40< CIA-7> This is easier than moving all pillars manually
20110925 19:35:40< CIA-7> Also, the shift up didn't seem to improve the appearance of any particular terrain combination
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20110925 19:48:20< vultraz> I found a 1.9.9 dwarf castle/stone wall transis error: http://imagebin.org/174014
20110925 19:48:47< shadowmaster> it's fixed in trunk already IIRC
20110925 19:49:41< vultraz> ok
20110925 19:50:11< vultraz> just said just in case :)
20110925 19:51:39< Alarantalara> Someone really should make real transitions for dwarf castle to stone wall. It's currently using the cave wall transitions, which you can see in various places if you look closely
20110925 19:52:51< vultraz> humm..think I might see
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20110925 21:59:24< mordante> fabi__, no
20110925 22:00:06< fabi__> mordante: hi
20110925 22:04:11< Espreon> mordante: Would you please run the WesCamp script?
20110925 22:04:28< Espreon> ... if you haven't done so already.
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20110925 22:07:12< mordante> Espreon, not now, I'm about to leave, will do tomorrow
20110925 22:07:34< mordante> I'm off night
20110925 22:07:59< Espreon> OK.
20110925 22:08:01< Espreon> Bye.
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20110925 22:33:37< Alarantalara> boucman: care to help me with a crash/deadlock involving OpenMP?
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20110925 22:37:27< boucman> Alarantalara: are you here tomorow same time ?
20110925 22:37:35< boucman> i don't really have the time right now...
20110925 22:39:08< Alarantalara> unfortunately, no. I'm displaced enough from you in time that I wouldn't be able to show up until 2 hours later tomorrow due to work
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20110925 22:48:37< boucman> Alarantalara: you could maybe mail me some stuff and i'll have a look
20110925 22:50:46< Alarantalara> Apart from a few scattered logs on the bug tracker, I don't have much to work with. I often have to play for half and hour or more before I see the bug
20110925 22:52:32< Alarantalara> The crash logs here are typical: https://gna.org/bugs/?18320
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20110925 22:53:24< Alarantalara> but deadlocks seem more common
20110925 22:56:12< Alarantalara> I'll see if I can at least get you some profiling information
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20110925 22:57:36< boucman> looking...
20110925 22:58:49< boucman> Alarantalara: is the crash macos only ?
20110925 22:58:55< Alarantalara> seems like it
20110925 22:58:59< boucman> ouch
20110925 22:59:18< boucman> (just to be sure) it never happens without openmp ?
20110925 22:59:39< Alarantalara> So boru reported with 1.9.6
20110925 22:59:56< Alarantalara> which was the only public release with and without it
20110925 23:01:32< boucman> with and without ??
20110925 23:01:48< Alarantalara> There were two releases, one with OpenMP and one without it enabled
20110925 23:02:02< Alarantalara> and boru noted that it only had problems using the one with
20110925 23:02:22< Alarantalara> https://gna.org/bugs/?18144 is just a long list of people with problems
20110925 23:02:52< Alarantalara> I think there's about 5 bug reports total
20110925 23:03:01< Alarantalara> and they all appeared after OPenMP was introduced
20110925 23:03:12< Alarantalara> and they're all mac only
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20110925 23:05:10< Alarantalara> boru's report: https://gna.org/bugs/?18282
20110925 23:05:19< Alarantalara> has another crash in a different spot
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20110925 23:06:21< Alarantalara> but the crashed thread is a worker thread that's entirely in library code at the time of report
20110925 23:07:22< boucman> that last one doesn't seem omp related
20110925 23:08:35< boucman> Alarantalara: i am a bit worried because at that point the OMP code is very simple, has been thoroughly checked, and is heavily tested in other os, so it might be a macos specific omp bug...
20110925 23:08:46< Alarantalara> it's quite possible
20110925 23:08:49< boucman> and I can't imagine myself remotely debugging the macos omp lib...
20110925 23:09:00< boucman> esp since omp is usually provided with your compiler...
20110925 23:09:09< Alarantalara> gcc 4.2
20110925 23:09:31< boucman> ok, at leas the sources are available :)
20110925 23:09:41< loonycyborg> does llvm/clang support omp already?
20110925 23:13:54< loonycyborg> afaik newer versions of xcode use clang, so this question is not of theoretical importance :P
20110925 23:14:40< Alarantalara> I'm not sure. I'm allowed to set the options, but it may not matter if it ends up linking against the same thread library
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20110925 23:23:36< boucman> worth a try...
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20110925 23:59:59< Alarantalara> loonycyborg: apparantly not: http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2011-May/039912.html
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