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20110927 03:28:35< CIA-7> alarantalara * r51306 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: Merge some flag-setting rules for terain transitions
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20110927 03:45:40< janebot> Wesnoth Forums | Developers’ Discussions • New! Wesnoth forum short urls. by Gambit [ 09-27-2011 01:45 ] [ http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=35139&p=508432#p508432 ]
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20110927 03:46:52< Gambit> ...
20110927 03:46:56< Gambit> it ate my bbcode
20110927 03:46:58< Gambit> What the heck?
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20110927 04:29:09< CIA-7> shadowmaster * r51307 /trunk/src/game.cpp: Move the "could not initialize joystick" message to the correct stream
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20110927 04:58:34< shadowmaster> one of my campaign's maps using ony mainline terrains causes a very annoying warning from the terrain builder: http://shadowm.ai0867.net/01_The_Skirmish.map
20110927 04:59:02< shadowmaster> apparently this is a problem with the mainline terrain graphics declarations, since it occurs even with a clean preferences dir with no add-ons: "20110926 23:24:50 error display: could not open image 'terrain/.png'
20110927 04:59:15< shadowmaster> 1.9.9 is affected as well
20110927 05:00:25< Espreon> Yeah, I've beem getting that a lot too.
20110927 05:00:27< Espreon> *been
20110927 05:01:10< shadowmaster> well, I guess now that --preprocess exists I could theoretically pinpoint that much easier
20110927 05:01:59< Static> Espreon: I tried out the UtBS campaign you gave me a few days ago
20110927 05:03:03< shadowmaster> or not
20110927 05:13:21< shadowmaster> okay, I just painted every single mainline terrain on an empty map and couldn't get the warning
20110927 05:13:28< shadowmaster> nothing suspicious in the preprocessor output either
20110927 05:13:52< Espreon> I've been getting that warning for so many versions...
20110927 05:13:58< shadowmaster> so... there must be a very specific transition/overlay set that's causing this
20110927 05:14:19< Espreon> Note that it's been popping up more recently.
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20110927 05:16:03< shadowmaster> unfortunately the full debug log isn't very helpful either since there's no messages from the builder explaining wtf is being looked up just before it calls the cache locator code
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20110927 05:16:56< shadowmaster> 20110926 23:27:29 debug config: testing for macro FOR_COMPATIBILITY_SAKE: not defined
20110927 05:16:59< shadowmaster> lulz
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20110927 05:19:10< shadowmaster> oh interesting, the builder works directly with locators...
20110927 05:19:50< shadowmaster> I'm really starting to miss alink.
20110927 05:21:01< Espreon> Me too.
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20110927 05:49:34< shadowmaster> ¬_¬
20110927 05:49:42< shadowmaster> okay, wtf is this "tokens" crap anyway?
20110927 05:50:08< Espreon> ... Where have you been?
20110927 05:50:13< shadowmaster> I'm seeing one of those in a place where a regular STL string could have been used instead
20110927 05:50:28< shadowmaster> Espreon: dunno? perhaps... working on AtS 0.4.0?!
20110927 05:50:33< Espreon> Ah, good point.
20110927 05:51:15< shadowmaster> I'll need to catch thonsew and have a talk with him I guess.
20110927 05:53:28< shadowmaster> I think the builder code suddenly became 1000 times more unreadable
20110927 05:53:48< shadowmaster> terrain_builder::add_off_map_rule() looks funny
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20110927 05:54:46< shadowmaster> and wow at the unreadable git log output. Maybe I'll take a page from Jetrel and add that switch to enable line-wrapping...
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20110927 05:59:42< shadowmaster> okay, no, seriously, what
20110927 06:00:20< shadowmaster> excuse me, I'll go bash my head against the wall so I can forget all I knew about C++ and Wesnoth
20110927 06:02:15< shadowmaster> before: http://pastebin.com/rMxd9Qd3
20110927 06:02:26< shadowmaster> after: http://pastebin.com/Z9xusNpg
20110927 06:03:03< Espreon> My my...
20110927 06:11:53< shadowmaster> apparently only units related to WML processing are affected by this new and "quaint" coding style, thankfully
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20110927 07:18:01< Static> I want to suggest something about the RNG that is not related to hit chances. Should I bother?
20110927 07:19:13< Static> Actually on second thought, the idea isn't that good.
20110927 07:19:16< Static> nevermind
20110927 07:19:36< shadowmaster> :)
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20110927 09:03:53< timotei> shadowmaster: nice comparison
20110927 09:04:01< timotei> I wonder, why do we need to defined the interned strings?
20110927 09:04:14< timotei> That's error prone and is not a good way to implement such thing
20110927 09:04:37< timotei> Maybe something like: StringFactory.get(whatever) would be better.
20110927 09:04:44< timotei> So you either get an interned string or not
20110927 09:04:44< timotei> ...
20110927 09:04:54< shadowmaster> that's what I'll be asking Mr. Make-C++-Code-Look-Suspiciously-Like-C later
20110927 09:05:02< timotei> but meh, I have to finish the UMC Plugin before diving into the C++ code xD
20110927 09:05:15< timotei> Especially  if I'll get a mac and start (re)porting wesnoth to iOs
20110927 09:05:32< Ivanovic> moin
20110927 09:05:34< timotei> morning Ivanovic 
20110927 09:05:46< timotei> wow, cyberport.de prices for macs are nicer than in Romania :O
20110927 09:05:58< timotei> I can't belive how few German I know :(
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20110927 17:26:48< fendrin> hi
20110927 17:31:17< Gambit> wesbot: seen cjhopman
20110927 17:31:17< wesbot> Gambit: Queried user last spoke 4d 8h ago.  cjhopman is currently here and on the channel #wesnoth.
20110927 17:33:48< anonymissimus> zookeeper: more precisely; if you have in your scenario wml 2 events with the same id, the one encountered second is removed from teh scenario wml
20110927 17:34:12< anonymissimus> and not saved when saving; so it's more than just "not fired"
20110927 17:35:18< anonymissimus> or if you have in your scenario at teh toplevel one event with an id=, and another with the same id= and remove=yes, these 2 nullify each other when reading the scenario wml
20110927 17:36:15< anonymissimus> or thats how I expect it to be based on ym current understanding of the event handler code
20110927 17:38:29< anonymissimus> zookeeper: sry, actually it was Brilliand who wrote that wiki entry I'm referring to, not you (20. August on event wml page)
20110927 17:55:41< zookeeper> right
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20110927 20:58:16< shadowmaster> any native English speakers around here? I need to find a less awkward equivalent for "[these people] nervously looked at each other"
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20110927 20:59:56< loonycyborg> Why is it awkward?
20110927 21:00:21< shadowmaster> I don't know. It doesn't sound like proper "Wesnothian" style to me.
20110927 21:00:58< shadowmaster> *I* wrote the line, so I may as well be wrong on that judgement.
20110927 21:02:14< timotei> shadowmaster: maybe esr can help you.
20110927 21:02:26< timotei> But I agree that nervously looked at each other sounds a bit... awkward
20110927 21:02:47< timotei> (Yeah, with the proper quoting)
20110927 21:02:53< loonycyborg> Maybe you need a more specific verb, like scowl or glower :P
20110927 21:03:16< esr> Better usage would be "these people looked at each other nervously"
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20110927 21:04:09< shadowmaster> meh
20110927 21:05:13< esr> There are circumstances where one might put the adverb first (to emphasize that they were behaving nervously rather than in some other fashion) but it would be a slightly marked and unusual thing to do.
20110927 21:05:20< shadowmaster> loonycyborg: nervously, not planning to kill each other
20110927 21:06:49< esr> A commone usage in this situation would be "eyed each other nervously".  E.g. "eyed" differs for "looked at" in not being emotionally neutral - it suggests fear or some kind of emotional arousal.
20110927 21:07:21< esr> s/for/from/
20110927 21:07:27< loonycyborg> Yes. eyed is probably what I was thinking about.
20110927 21:07:38< esr> Probably.
20110927 21:08:22< shadowmaster> "The elves were shocked by the mere mention of the three accursed names. They eyed each other nervously as if rocks would fall from the sky as a consequence of Elynia’s bold words."
20110927 21:08:57< esr> In fact, in English you could just say "eyed each other" and "nervously" or "suspiciously" would be understood.
20110927 21:09:25< shadowmaster> ah
20110927 21:09:34< esr> OTO, in the actual sentence "nervously" is important.  Leave it in.
20110927 21:09:56< shadowmaster> okay :)
20110927 21:10:12< esr> But yes, this is exactly crrect usage for v. "eyed".
20110927 21:10:44< esr> I meamn it is idiomatically and stylistically good, not just formally correct.
20110927 21:11:26< esr> One other thing: "would" -> "might".  It's a conditional claim.
20110927 21:13:11< shadowmaster> okay, thanks
20110927 21:15:18< esr> shadowmaster: You are actually learning to handle English impressively well.  I've seen a lot of improvement since you started hanging out here - your competence now execeeds that of a significant fraction of educated speakers.
20110927 21:16:56< shadowmaster> yay :p
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20110927 21:34:58< esr> shadowmaster: Why the mixed feelings?
20110927 21:35:55< shadowmaster> probably because that kind of crushes my faith in these educated speakers you mentioned
20110927 21:37:02< esr> :-)
20110927 21:38:29< esr> Well, a lot of native speakers never acquire full competence.  English is a *large* language, in both vocabulary and stylistic range.
20110927 21:39:48< shadowmaster> indeed it is
20110927 21:43:30< esr> shadowmaster: You will be *really* diappointed if you ever find out how badly most natively-English-speaking academics use their own language. :-)
20110927 21:43:43 * anonymissimus 's BfW just crashed upon reloading (F5)...:(
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20110927 22:58:11 * Rhonda hugs shadowmaster
20110927 23:00:09< anonymissimus> man I'm so fedup with the token shit
20110927 23:00:30< anonymissimus> just spend about 2 hours to realize a pin down another bug
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20110927 23:03:52< anonymissimus> thonsew's fixes introduce to often new bugs by themself
20110927 23:04:41< shadowmaster> Rhonda: <3
20110927 23:05:16< shadowmaster> anonymissimus: I'm not surprised in the least.
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20110927 23:08:11< shadowmaster> What really surprises me is why he didn't request feedback in the mailing list *prior* to introducing this token mechanism that I've yet to understand (the only thing I see is the monstruous before/after I posted earlier today)
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20110927 23:08:59< shadowmaster> even if it were good and approved, it would still require some changes to the coding style guide
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20110927 23:17:32< anonymissimus> of course I 1) discocered this bug while trying to yet reproduce another one whose existance I suspect (multiplayer yet not synchronized) and 2) it now completely prevents me from doing the former
20110927 23:18:01< anonymissimus> also, as I said above, I got some weird crash while doing F5 during all this
20110927 23:18:09< anonymissimus> so 2 new bugs
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20110927 23:33:04< Espreon> Alarantalara: Dwarvish keeps are outlined with tall encampement.
20110927 23:33:18< anonymissimus> btw was it a good idea to remove AMLA_TOUGH from core ?
20110927 23:33:25< Espreon> Yes.
20110927 23:33:30< anonymissimus> there seems to be such a lot of UMC using it
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20110927 23:33:53< anonymissimus> it wouldn't be the only mainline macro which is neevr used in mainline
20110927 23:34:11< Espreon> It had issues, though.
20110927 23:34:21< anonymissimus> what sort of ?
20110927 23:35:10< Espreon> It was combining strings with the preprocessor.
20110927 23:35:52< anonymissimus> hm
20110927 23:37:06< Elvish_Hunter> anonymissimus: Espreon just told me that shadowmaster found a bug in [harm_unit] with a 64 bit number.
20110927 23:38:20< anonymissimus> Espreon: what should the code look like instead ? (of the former AMLA_TOUGH)
20110927 23:38:36< anonymissimus> I'm doing such concatenations a lot in my addon I think
20110927 23:39:18< Espreon> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/data/core/macros/amla.cfg?r1=24363&r2=47699
20110927 23:39:31< anonymissimus> Elvish_Hunter: sounds like you've got some serious thing to fix ;)
20110927 23:39:56< anonymissimus> although it's worth a trial whether it already happens with a pre-thonsew binary
20110927 23:40:15< Elvish_Hunter> How? I cannot yet work on C++, you know.
20110927 23:40:21< CIA-7> alarantalara * r51308 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: Do not draw encampment keep around dwarf keep
20110927 23:40:34< Alarantalara> Espreon: thanks for pointing that out
20110927 23:41:05< Espreon> No prob.
20110927 23:41:33< Elvish_Hunter> From the few things that I know, it looks like a core Lua bug to me: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3104722/does-lua-make-use-of-64-bit-integers
20110927 23:42:53< anonymissimus> Elvish_Hunter: just revert/reset/whtever it's called to a pre-thonsew revision and compile that; no C++ knowledge required
20110927 23:43:07< anonymissimus> I'm sure someone here know the shell command
20110927 23:43:27< Elvish_Hunter> It'll be completely unuseful, as my system is 32 bit.
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20110927 23:44:50< anonymissimus> Espreon: I don't get it
20110927 23:46:33< anonymissimus> my question was what the alternative for AMLA_TOUGH's code is, if it shouldn't be coded like it was
20110927 23:47:44< Espreon> Well, bring it back if you like, but the issue it had can't truly be solved.
20110927 23:48:43< Elvish_Hunter> Espreon: can you post more details about shadowmaster's [harm_unit] problem?
20110927 23:49:17< Espreon> Elvish_Hunter: It occurs in AtS ... The Triad Part 3.
20110927 23:49:54< Espreon> shadowmaster gave me a link to a screenshot depicting the effects, but I lost it after my session died.
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20110927 23:54:06< Elvish_Hunter> Espreon: I have no idea. With that amount and kill=no, Galas should drop to 1 HP.
20110927 23:54:27< Espreon> Well...
20110927 23:54:56< Elvish_Hunter> Perhaps this is triggered only on 64 bit machines.
20110927 23:57:26< anonymissimus> I can't reproduce it as well then btw
20110927 23:57:40< anonymissimus> if thats the case, due to 32 bit
20110927 23:58:40< Alarantalara> shadowmaster: re: 01_The_Skirmish.map, I can get your error with fall mixed forest on non-dry hills (not directly placeable with the editor)
20110927 23:58:41< Elvish_Hunter> Well, now I have to go. If you have more details, please send me a PM. Bye!
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20110927 23:59:04< anonymissimus> bit arithmetic is a mystery to me anyway
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