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20110903 01:08:32< The_User> hi
20110903 01:08:51< The_User> what is the best way to tell a unit to have zero movement under certain conditions?
20110903 01:09:19< The_User> the filter of objects seems to get checked only once
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20110903 01:12:03< Gambit> The_User: You will probably need an event that fires on those conditions that sets 0 moves on all the units that need it
20110903 01:12:28< The_User> Gambit: but what should that event be? there is no “unit changed” event I think
20110903 01:12:42< Gambit> Huh? Unit changed how?
20110903 01:13:38< The_User> uh, sorry
20110903 01:13:58< The_User> it should depend on the state of the unit
20110903 01:14:06< Gambit> We have things for when a unit gets hit and when a unit is moved
20110903 01:14:09< Gambit> And when a unit advances
20110903 01:14:22< Gambit> Every way of modifying a unit I can think of...
20110903 01:14:23< The_User> but there may be special events changing it, too
20110903 01:14:30< Gambit> You have those all fire your customly named event
20110903 01:14:44< The_User> hm
20110903 01:14:53< The_User> that'd be very dirty
20110903 01:15:04< Gambit> You can have an event with an arbitrary name and we have a [fire_event] tag.
20110903 01:15:09< Gambit> Yes. It will be.
20110903 01:15:16< Gambit> I don't think there's a weapon special for move.
20110903 01:15:23< Gambit> Or an ability.
20110903 01:15:38< The_User> they get checked all the time?
20110903 01:15:39< Gambit> You should ask in the WML Workshop forum.
20110903 01:17:55< The_User> thanks, I will try an ability
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20110903 02:18:02< The_User> what is the purpose of [object] if it cannot be removed?
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20110903 09:25:11< Ivanovic> moin
20110903 09:25:20< enchilado> moin
20110903 09:25:27< shadowmaster> moin
20110903 09:26:04< Crendgrim> moin
20110903 09:38:12< joo> moin
20110903 09:39:20< Cookiee> moin
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20110903 09:40:12< kholerabbi> moin
20110903 09:43:49< Crendgrim> ... now, that is weird.
20110903 09:44:18< joo> LOL
20110903 09:44:51< Cookiee> If this was fb that line Crendgrim would have 1 like from me
20110903 09:45:17< joo> But this is not FB, and let's keep it that way.
20110903 09:45:31< enchilado> If this was G+ that line, Crendgrim, would have +1 from me
20110903 09:45:58< Crendgrim> grrr.. not again :p
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20110903 09:47:47< enchilado> G+ is just so much better than FB :S
20110903 09:48:23< Crendgrim> well, but G+ is Google.
20110903 09:48:54< enchilado> I like Google :(
20110903 09:49:34< Crendgrim> that's your own fault.
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20110903 12:02:03< Unnheulu> Wesnoth isn't in the market on my phone >:(
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20110903 12:14:43< Ivanovic> Unnheulu: then your phone might not support wesnoth
20110903 12:14:52< Ivanovic> either because your android is too old
20110903 12:14:59< Ivanovic> or because the display resolution is too low
20110903 12:15:11< Ivanovic> (IIRC you need >=800x480)
20110903 12:20:46< Unnheulu> Galaxy S2 was only just released...
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20110903 12:21:04< Unnheulu> That's the resolution it has, and it's android 2.3 or something
20110903 12:21:24< exiff> what are the minimum requirements? 
20110903 12:21:50< Unnheulu> 2.3.3 =]
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20110903 12:24:53< Ivanovic> exiff: not sure, but something like android >=2.2 and a display res of >=800x480 are likely
20110903 12:25:05< Ivanovic> no idea if there is some limit regarding available ram and whatnot
20110903 12:25:18< exiff> ouch
20110903 12:25:27< Ivanovic> Unnheulu: okay, then you'll have to make sure that you are using the google android market
20110903 12:25:36< Unnheulu> Am
20110903 12:25:36< Ivanovic> and not some other market
20110903 12:25:40< Ivanovic> exiff: why "ouch"?
20110903 12:25:56< exiff> I'm on 2.1
20110903 12:25:58< Unnheulu> At least a market with the same image as every other google market I've seen and not samsungs one
20110903 12:26:07< Unnheulu> Updating's fairly easy :P
20110903 12:26:12< Ivanovic> exiff: ever considered installing some unoffical image?
20110903 12:26:43< Ivanovic> exiff: the problem is that in 2.2 they added support for C++ code when started via a java layer
20110903 12:26:55< exiff> I did, but I figured it still wouldn't matter because I only have 256mb RAM.
20110903 12:26:55< Ivanovic> (with 2.3 it is possible to leave out the java layer!)
20110903 12:27:10< Ivanovic> 256MB ram should work
20110903 12:27:23< Ivanovic> i run "mainline" wesnoth on the pandora which only has 256MB ram
20110903 12:27:24< exiff> :D
20110903 12:27:34< Ivanovic> no idea though how much ram the android os requires
20110903 12:28:00< Ivanovic> and i don't know how much cjhopman did regarding memory usage
20110903 12:28:14< Ivanovic> but like i said, the pandora version works okayish
20110903 12:28:26< exiff> I guess I'll do that upgrade after all.
20110903 12:28:38< Ivanovic> yeah, sometimes you get crashes with "out of memory" when playing too long scenarios on too big maps (eg some missions of northern rebirth)
20110903 12:28:50< Unnheulu> :D
20110903 12:29:15< Ivanovic> but like i said, this is based on my experience with a build of "mainline" wesnoth for arm architecture, not the android version which might have some extra optimizations
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20110903 12:29:49< Unnheulu> Galaxy S2 has 1gb of RAM which I guess is enough?
20110903 12:29:58< Unnheulu> I'd be surprised if it wasn't :P
20110903 12:32:17< exiff> it must be very annoying for developers... working for all these different android versions, when the real problem is that manufacturers don't wanna upgrade their phones 
20110903 12:32:30< Unnheulu> ^_^
20110903 12:32:57< Ivanovic> exiff: that is why you tackle some minimum version and set some minimum requirements
20110903 12:33:06< Unnheulu> My philosophy when I start releasing mine will be: if it doesn't work on my phone then tough luck :P
20110903 12:33:12< Ivanovic> requirements like the resolution
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20110903 12:33:28< Unnheulu> *If it doesn't work on any phone except mine
20110903 12:34:41< exiff> Mozilla must hurry with their phone OS. 
20110903 12:35:21< Ivanovic> though i really prefer the pandora version due to one simple reason:
20110903 12:35:30< Ivanovic> it is a 100%, full wesnoth
20110903 12:35:33< Ivanovic> including stuff like replays
20110903 12:35:40< Ivanovic> multiplayer on the official server
20110903 12:35:57< Ivanovic> addons downloadable just as you are used to on the desktop
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20110903 12:43:29< Unnheulu> So no solutions for not having wesnoth in the market?
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20110903 12:50:05< enchilado> I want a Pandora :(
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20110903 13:38:32< koan> Ivanovic: can you use the pandora gaming controls in wesnoth?
20110903 13:39:01< Ivanovic> koan: ah, this one is lovely...
20110903 13:39:12< Ivanovic> koan: that is: the d-pad is just the arrow keys on a keyboard
20110903 13:39:20< Ivanovic> the left nub controls the mouse pointer
20110903 13:39:37< koan> nice
20110903 13:39:42< Ivanovic> the right nub offers clicking (left is a leftclick, right a rightclick, up a double click and down a middle click)
20110903 13:39:56< Ivanovic> and i mapped some common functions on the game buttons
20110903 13:40:10< koan> I had the pandora in my hands for a while last year, but didn't test it with wesnoth, it looked like a nice device
20110903 13:40:20< Ivanovic> those are in fact just mapped to page up/down, home and end, so a plain config changing what those buttons do is everything required
20110903 13:40:48< Ivanovic> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/wesnoth/trunk/doc/manual/manual.en.html#idp30737280
20110903 13:40:49< koan> I see they are even showing wesnoth on the screenshot on the pandora's homepage :-)
20110903 13:41:11< enchilado> Apparently they're having trouble producing them and aren't taking orders at the moment :/
20110903 13:41:25< Ivanovic> enchilado: yeah, the fab they got for the boards just sucks
20110903 13:41:38< Ivanovic> they are currently working on moving production of the boards to germany
20110903 13:41:49< Ivanovic> to a fab close to one of the people behind the pandora
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20110903 13:42:05< enchilado> I don't think I really want to spend most of my money on one anyway, but it's sad to hear that
20110903 13:42:19< Ivanovic> basically all estimates that they got from the current board company were just plain bullshit
20110903 13:42:37< Ivanovic> saying stuff like "yeah, we can easily produce and test 1000 boards per month"
20110903 13:42:51< enchilado> :\
20110903 13:42:53< Ivanovic> some time later the number goes down to 500, then 300, then 200, ...
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20110903 13:43:23< Ivanovic> stuff like "we will send you 500 boards by the end of next week": nah, they did not keep this prediction
20110903 13:43:55< Ivanovic> and they had a high error rate in the *tested* boards that were shipped
20110903 13:44:07< Ivanovic> about a quarter of the boards was (partially) dead at arrival
20110903 13:44:32< enchilado> Blargh. I hope the move and everything goes well for them.
20110903 13:44:36< Ivanovic> so when the openpandora team assembled those boards into the cases and tested they just saw a hell of a lot of problems
20110903 13:44:44< Ivanovic> so do i
20110903 13:44:56< Ivanovic> since it is a really cool project and the handheld is lovely
20110903 13:45:14< Ivanovic> honestly, 10h of playing snes emulation (secret of mana) is something really great!
20110903 13:45:28< Ivanovic> or just surfing the web via wifi for 15h
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