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20110915 01:32:52< Guest32662> Hey all, just had a bad freeze up on MacOS 10.6, Wesnoth1.9.9 is there an error log I can check?
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20110915 03:20:03< janebot> Twitter: WesnothOrg: @joshroby Neat! Which campaign? [ Sep-15-2011 01:17 ] [ http://tinyurl.com/3de3ooq ]
20110915 03:20:03< janebot> Twitter: WesnothOrg: @harrywentland Awww. Thanks! [ Sep-15-2011 01:18 ] [ http://tinyurl.com/3z4o3j4 ]
20110915 03:21:47< Gambit> We've almost got 200 followers. :D
20110915 03:22:02< VurtualRuler98> I'm a leader, not a follower
20110915 03:22:07< Gambit> Finally beat @iWesnoth and we're now the top account for searching "wesnoth".
20110915 03:22:28< VurtualRuler98> what about htonsew
20110915 03:22:34< VurtualRuler98> or Hton Sewi?
20110915 03:23:31< Gambit> Sadly @AnnaGraham is beating us there by nearly 5000 people :( 
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20110915 05:05:03< janebot> Twitter: @WesnothOrg: @mandlar There's lots of help and strategy guides available on our wiki and forums for tough scenarios. [ Sep-15-2011 03:00 ] [ http://tinyurl.com/6czaryy ]
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20110915 20:46:22< BartK> hey folks :)
20110915 20:46:40< BartK> are the Android Wesnoth devs involved with the Wesnoth project or otherwise donating a portion of their profits to it?
20110915 20:49:01 * Soliton points at cjhopman.
20110915 20:54:04< BartK> I don't have a problem with it either way -- commercial use is the nature of the GPL -- but where the money goes affects whether I'm willing to pay for it. :)
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20110915 20:56:34< cjhopman> Yep, I'd be the Android dev
20110915 20:56:44< BartK> ah, cools :)
20110915 20:57:15< cjhopman> And yes, a significant portion goes to the Wesnoth project.
20110915 20:57:21< BartK> very cool
20110915 20:58:27< BartK> purchased. :)
20110915 20:59:37< BartK> I'm excited to see Wesnoth on android.
20110915 21:01:41< joo> The non-Android developers don't charge for the game.
20110915 21:01:51< joo> Why do people have to play it on one platform?
20110915 21:01:57< Rhonda> And noone excited to see Wesnoth in Debian/Ubuntu at all.
20110915 21:02:01< joo> *pay to
20110915 21:02:23< BartK> if it's a way to get money to the project, I think it's good.
20110915 21:02:31< Soliton> they don't have to.
20110915 21:02:35< Rhonda> joo: Because that's one of the fundamental freedoms that the GPL allows.
20110915 21:02:47< joo> I'm not questioning that it's possible to do so.
20110915 21:02:58< BartK> someone could do the work, compile the code themselves, and release it to android market
20110915 21:03:00< joo> I am wondering why it is so... asymmetrical.
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20110915 21:03:13< Rhonda> joo: You can ask anyone else having the android port to copy it for you.
20110915 21:03:17< BartK> the fact that that hasn't happened leads one to believe that there's a fair amount of effort involved.
20110915 21:03:48< joo> There is a fair amount of effort involved in a lot of things.
20110915 21:03:54< Rhonda> BartK: Or that people prefer making a fuss instead of actually making something.
20110915 21:04:03< BartK> Rhonda: yup :)
20110915 21:04:13< Rhonda> joo: Yes, a lot of fair amount of effort involved in complaining.
20110915 21:04:39< Rhonda> I never underestimate the efforts to complain, I can see a lot of people going to load of extends to do so.
20110915 21:05:07< joo> Rhonda, if people didn't complain, problems would go unfixed.
20110915 21:05:09 * Rhonda . o O ( me included, at times )
20110915 21:05:18< Rhonda> Wrong.
20110915 21:05:28< Rhonda> If people didn't fix it, problems would go unfixed.
20110915 21:05:36< VurtualRuler98> I heard fussing
20110915 21:05:38< VurtualRuler98> where's my boomstick
20110915 21:05:42< Rhonda> By complaining no problem gets solved.
20110915 21:05:47< joo> If people didn't complain, some problems would go unfixed.
20110915 21:05:52< VurtualRuler98> complaining solves social problems!
20110915 21:05:52< Ivanovic> cjhopman: do you also have a link to your code changes?
20110915 21:05:57< VurtualRuler98> it's like vodka that everyone can make.
20110915 21:06:06< Ivanovic> and/or when do you plan to upload the changed stuff to the mainline svn?
20110915 21:06:33< Rhonda> There definitely must be a link to the code changes, otherwise he would be in GPL violation.
20110915 21:07:36< cjhopman> Rhonda, the distribution includes a written offer to give a copy of the source code
20110915 21:08:15< Rhonda> That's valid too, and fulfills for me the "link to the code changes" :)
20110915 21:08:17< Ivanovic> cjhopman: personally i am very interested in your changes that reduce memory usage
20110915 21:08:38< Rhonda> Ivanovic: he doesn't ship NR
20110915 21:08:41< Ivanovic> cjhopman: have you done anything regarding eg replays being responsible for a high potion of the memory usage?
20110915 21:08:49< Rhonda> That's the changes to reduce memory usage.
20110915 21:08:53 * Rhonda hides.
20110915 21:08:55< cjhopman> lol
20110915 21:09:10< cjhopman> Ivanovic: I have no such changes... :(
20110915 21:09:21< Ivanovic> Rhonda: thot can be really bad in later scenarios when you can easily use 100 turns to finish the map
20110915 21:09:30< Ivanovic> i think some users reported >300 turns
20110915 21:09:41< Ivanovic> cjhopman: :(
20110915 21:09:42< cjhopman> Also, the Wesnoth specific code is available on github (https://github.com/cjhopman/Battle-for-Wesnoth-on-Android)
20110915 21:10:06< Ivanovic> cjhopman: what i heard is that kyle managed to significantly reduce memory usage by "just" disabling replays
20110915 21:10:33< Ivanovic> so possibly some "no replays supported" ingame option to dynamically turn them off might help on "low mem systems"
20110915 21:11:07< Ivanovic> (completely turning them off sucks, too, thats why something like doing it via option might help)
20110915 21:11:14< cjhopman> Ivanovic: that sounds like a good idea. I've just added it to my list of things to do. 
20110915 21:11:24< Ivanovic> cjhopman: and how much space does the OS usually use on android systems?
20110915 21:11:39 * Ivanovic has no access to any android devices so can't check it
20110915 21:11:48< Ivanovic> space in ram
20110915 21:13:30< Ivanovic> on the pandora "free" tells me that about 94MB are used right after booting into xfce
20110915 21:18:02< cjhopman> Yeah, it is difficult to determine since Android tends to use all the memory and just kill stuff when it needs more
20110915 21:18:56< cjhopman> For example, on my tablet right now, I'm not doing anything but there is ~740MB used and ~24MB free
20110915 21:19:44< cjhopman> I believe that the OS stuff is using ~260MB of that, but I don't know how much of that could be reclaimed
20110915 21:20:36< cjhopman> Kyle also had an interesting document where he like journaled his steps for optimizing
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20110915 21:39:47< Rhonda> I wonder why ESR didn't do the android port when he blogs about how he picked up "hot chicks" with speaking about his involvement
20110915 21:40:36< Gambit> Say what?
20110915 21:40:40< Gambit> cjhopman: Does that work for you?
20110915 21:40:43< Gambit> haha
20110915 21:40:56< Gambit> Hey babe. I ported a video game to my phone.
20110915 21:41:55< cjhopman> Haven't tried it, I'll get back to you
20110915 21:44:18< Rhonda> Gambit: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3554 - it's so stereotypical I feel ashamed about it …
20110915 21:48:02< Gambit> That's...
20110915 21:48:19< Gambit> Okay who "flashes cleavage" at someone who claims to have written software for their phone?
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20110915 22:19:36< zookeeper> ...
20110915 22:19:41< zookeeper> (i just had to say that)
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20110915 22:29:42< Gambit> Indeed.
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