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20111009 15:41:49< mordante> AI0867, around?
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20111009 15:48:57< AI0867> mordante: yeah
20111009 15:50:52< mordante> AI0867, regarding wescamp, my script now assumes one svn branch per wesnoth branch
20111009 15:51:02< mordante> how will moving to git affect that?
20111009 15:56:17< Mkaysi> Is Wesnoth going to move to git? Nice :)
20111009 15:56:38< Mkaysi> (Git is the only VCS which I can use ;))
20111009 15:56:50< mordante> Mkaysi, it's an option, berlios will close at the end of they year so we need to move
20111009 15:57:24< Mkaysi> Berlios?
20111009 15:57:32< mordante> that's odd, I consider git one of the harder to learn VCS-es, SVN is much simpler
20111009 15:57:40< boucman> Mkaysi: wescamp might... wesnoth is a different problem
20111009 15:57:42< mordante> of course git is more powerful :-)
20111009 15:58:00< mordante> ah yeah I misread, wescamp will move
20111009 15:58:07< boucman> our big blocker wrt git is that it needs quite a bit of training, and we don't want our artists not to be able to commit themselves
20111009 15:58:15< boucman> it's a coder's tool, but all our coders arn't devs
20111009 15:58:20< mordante> berlios is the place where wescamp is hosted
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20111009 16:21:35< AI0867> mordante: current layout, there will be one git repo per branch, per add-on (foo-1.x)
20111009 16:22:24< AI0867> github has plenty of API support to list and create repositories, create hooks and everything else I could think of
20111009 16:22:55< AI0867> boucman: I believe timotei said that tortoisegit is okay now
20111009 16:23:31< AI0867> and as tortoisegit is essentially a port of the tortoisesvn GUI to use git, if they can use one, they can use the other
20111009 16:23:34< boucman> ok, you can restart the flame^H^H^H discussion on the ml if you want :P
20111009 16:23:46< AI0867> I subtly have ;)
20111009 16:24:23< AI0867> of course, moving wesnoth itself to github will at least require permission, as their (soft) limit is 300 MiB per repo
20111009 16:24:24< boucman> the underlying concepts are a bit different, and I wonder if tortoise mask them in the same way... git tend to create cranches spontaneously
20111009 16:24:54< boucman> or we can set up each artist with his own branch and manage the push/pulls for him
20111009 16:26:41< AI0867> well, I haven't experienced this myself, but it appears that tortoisegit glosses over the differences and pretends it's just a regular old centralised VCS without a local index
20111009 16:29:52< boucman> sounds good
20111009 16:30:08< boucman> we need to find a guinea-artist to asses it works and we can migrate :P
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20111009 16:35:34< mordante> AI0867, ok
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20111009 16:36:25< mordante> and is tortoisegit as easy to use as tortoisesvn?
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20111009 16:36:34< anonymissimus> AI0867: how's it going with the revert ?
20111009 16:36:41< mordante> I still feel git is much harder to learn as svn
20111009 16:36:51< anonymissimus> regarding tortoisegit, I'd say yes
20111009 16:37:14< mordante> and am not sure how well tortoisegit takes care of the complexity
20111009 16:37:21< anonymissimus> I'm using a mixture of shell and the mysysgit gui tools
20111009 16:37:29< anonymissimus> and tortoisegit
20111009 16:37:51< mordante> I prefer the command line, but I prefer to command line for most tasks ;-)
20111009 16:42:14< anonymissimus> the problem is when I'm asking for stuff around here I'm generally presented with a hard-to-remember shell command, but the gui stuff is easier to explore for most general tasks
20111009 16:44:15< mordante> true, the disadvantage of the command line, but once you know the commands a lot of task can be performed easier and faster
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20111009 16:52:15< AI0867> anonymissimus: haven't started, I'll reread the mailinglist and if nobody objects, start
20111009 16:52:30< mordante> I don't object
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20111009 16:55:12< anonymissimus> AI0867: I doubt anybody objects, I'm just worried about I would (or you will) cope with the tons of conflicts
20111009 16:55:23< AI0867> I'll see
20111009 16:55:32< AI0867> I dealt with santi's horrible habits in LoW
20111009 16:56:01< anonymissimus> to keep them managable, I would probably revert a lot of unrelated commits as well
20111009 16:56:18< AI0867> his habits being, copy part of the repository to a different computer, make changes, then copy them back half a year later and commit
20111009 16:56:28< boucman> AI0867: actually, if wescamp migrates to git, it might be a solid argument that it's manageable for non-coders
20111009 16:56:33< AI0867> and his way of resolving conflicts was typing svn resolved
20111009 16:56:42< boucman> since iiuc the point is that each maintainer maintains his own stuff
20111009 16:56:57< anonymissimus> in one commit mordante strips trailing whitespace, thats a good one to revert previously for instance
20111009 17:00:28< anonymissimus> but imho it might be easier to split at the latest stable revision and then let the authors of each revisions port their stuff (if these revisions cause conflicts at least)
20111009 17:00:57< anonymissimus> there are quite some revisions of mine which fall into that category, for instance
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20111009 17:02:39< AI0867> well, of the ~370 commits since t_token, 85 were by thonsew
20111009 17:02:41< mordante> AI0867, no problem is you revert my whitespace changes if need be, I'll just re-run the script ;-)
20111009 17:02:53< mordante> s/is/if/
20111009 17:04:03< mordante> anonymissimus, causing an extra burden for nice playing devs is imho not such a good idea
20111009 17:04:55< anonymissimus> mordante: of course, but I just got stuck in a world of conflicts when I tried xD
20111009 17:05:09< mordante> it sets a certain precedence, which I would worry about
20111009 17:05:44< mordante> maybe next time we should bring the topic up faster
20111009 17:06:05< anonymissimus> i suggested it in the second week or ao already
20111009 17:07:14< mordante> I haven't been much on IRC lately so haven't followed everything
20111009 17:07:36< mordante> but I just suggest next time we should ask the developer to work in a branch faster
20111009 17:13:16< anonymissimus> there was talk about branching a few days after the first token revision already
20111009 17:13:32< mordante> I missed that :-(
20111009 17:13:35< anonymissimus> ti just wasnt considered important enough or something
20111009 17:13:57< mordante> guess the problem is always branching is an effort
20111009 17:13:58< anonymissimus> 11.09.
20111009 17:14:18< mordante> so people prefer not to do it, once it's discovered it's needed it's too late
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20111009 17:15:02< anonymissimus> and thonsew strategy then was to fix as fast as possible everything reported
20111009 17:18:41< anonymissimus> at the first weekend, gabba complained that he couldnt test with tschmitz the whiteboard due to the token brokenness
20111009 17:19:00< anonymissimus> and suggested a branch, that was 1 or two days after the start
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20111009 17:19:25< mordante> yeah I also had several issues that at the beginning I couldn't start Wesnoth
20111009 17:19:46< mordante> maybe we should then act on such a suggestion faster in the future
20111009 17:19:54< anonymissimus> I will remember this whenever I see such thing happen in a project
20111009 17:20:09< mordante> yeah, all we can do now is learn from it
20111009 17:20:13< mordante> :-(
20111009 17:22:31< anonymissimus> AI0867: do you plan to revert all of thonsew's commits ? there are a few which aren't token-related
20111009 17:23:12< mordante> off prepare some food
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20111009 17:48:48< AI0867> anonymissimus: since r51053?
20111009 17:48:56< AI0867> there were others before, but were there others afterward?
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20111009 17:56:26< anonymissimus> AI0867: yes
20111009 17:58:36< anonymissimus> 51336, 51299, 51296 for instance
20111009 17:58:52< anonymissimus> and all revisions affecting only the gdb tools
20111009 17:59:22< anonymissimus> (actually, don't know about them, but they are completely different code in any case)
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20111009 18:04:15< Crab_> when do you plan to revert? i.e. the thread on ML has lots of unanswered emails
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20111009 18:05:05< shadowmaster> Crab_: yes, I was looking for you in fact. When are you going to have some time to forward port the GUI2 in-game chat log dialog? :)
20111009 18:05:40< Crab_> ah, the chat dialog. bug me again before the next weekend, I'll do it then.
20111009 18:05:49< shadowmaster> k
20111009 18:05:49< Crab_> I'll try to remember
20111009 18:27:59< AI0867> Crab_: when I get a reasonable diff =P
20111009 18:29:23< shadowmaster> rawr
20111009 18:29:34< shadowmaster> why does the Wesnoth Lua Pack have a rtf readme?
20111009 18:29:44< Crab_> AI0867:  it's bad that the communication on ML is too slow ( I.e. it would be best to reach a decision there, and, if it'd be decided there there are parts to be reverted, ask the author to help revert them.
20111009 18:34:59< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: better rtf than nothing ;)
20111009 18:35:40< anonymissimus> but i dont see an rtf, maybe you need to check out svn
20111009 18:37:10< shadowmaster> Crab_: I (seem to) remember that late in the 1.7.x cycle (beta?) an attempt at integrating Lua with the AI module was made; is this documented anywhere in the wiki?
20111009 18:38:20< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: yep, html doc was added since the last release
20111009 18:38:50< shadowmaster> not in the 1.9.x add-ons server version
20111009 18:39:20< shadowmaster> the one I downloaded approximately 12 minutes ago, that is
20111009 18:39:23< anonymissimus> check it out from the UMC repo...
20111009 18:39:29< shadowmaster> or 22
20111009 18:40:15< shadowmaster> as founder admin I still have a whole checkout of branches/ and trunk/, but no, I'm not really interested in a potentially broken WIP version
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20111009 18:41:11< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: I dont think the relaeses are any more stable ro unstable than the svn version
20111009 18:41:39< anonymissimus> we are not thonsew-ish devs you know xD
20111009 18:42:03< shadowmaster> you still think wesnoth trunk regularly never breaks
20111009 18:44:36< anonymissimus> ? I'm talking about the WLP only
20111009 18:45:40< shadowmaster> it seemed you were equating svn trunk breakage on any project with thonsew's presence
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20111009 18:48:42< anonymissimus> what I mean is that the people editing the wlp test their stuff rather well before submitting
20111009 18:49:35< anonymissimus> thus I "dont think the relaeses are any more stable ro unstable than the svn version"
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20111009 19:11:48< mjs-de> "zumal noch ein in Fragen der Menschenrechte schlecht beleumundetes." wer möchte raten um welches Land es sich handelt ?
20111009 19:14:55< mordante> mjs-de, Germany? And one for you, guess which chan this is ;-)
20111009 19:16:47< mjs-de> ups wrong window
20111009 19:18:03< mjs-de> and Germany is not the country that quote was about
20111009 19:22:29< mordante> had to guess something 
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20111009 19:29:12< chrisoelmueller> the US, then
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20111009 19:30:52< mjs-de> got it, so enough offtopic
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20111009 20:00:40< anonymissimus> nach der Häufigkeit der verwendeten Sprachen zu schließen müsste das hier der deutsche channel sein...
20111009 20:01:32< Ivanovic> der name enthält immerhin das landes-/sprachkürzel
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20111009 20:41:56< Crab_> shadowmaster: yes, some work was done, and even more work was done during this year gsoc. but I have to fix a couple of bugs before it I would declare it 'usable'. but it works.
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20111009 21:17:06< CIA-7> espreon * r51425 /trunk/po/wesnoth-help/en_GB.po: Updated the British English translation; fixes bug #18799.
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