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20111011 00:31:06< anonymissimus> Alarantalara: as a side note, you can/should close duplicate bug reports...
20111011 00:31:24< anonymissimus> when marking them as duplicate
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20111011 00:35:24< anonymissimus> Espreon: well, guess I could write into all of your bug reports since the token stuff "pls check whether it is still/no longer/again" reproducible due to the token revert ;)
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20111011 06:26:08< Espreon> AI0867: Perhaps you reverted the innocent parts of the commit mentioned here: https://gna.org/bugs/?18745
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20111011 09:00:28< CIA-64> espreon * r51443 /trunk/src/serialization/string_utils.cpp: Corrected micro symbol.
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20111011 10:09:43< Rhonda> Ivanovic, mordante: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wesnoth-1.8/+bug/694665
20111011 10:10:02< Rhonda> see the attached screenshots
20111011 10:10:32< Rhonda> Which font might be the issue here?
20111011 10:10:48< Espreon> Hoo boy.
20111011 10:11:05< Espreon> AFAIK, we don't ship with a font that supports devanagari.
20111011 10:11:21< Rhonda> so why do we enable that language then?
20111011 10:11:58< Espreon> The policy is that all of course must first be translated before a new font gets shipped.
20111011 10:12:04< Espreon> *of core
20111011 10:12:24< Rhonda> So I guess I rather should disable the language in my build?
20111011 10:12:41< Rhonda> Do you know which font might cover that language? That would be another option (for me)
20111011 10:13:01< Espreon> Look at Debian's Indic fonts package, I guess.
20111011 10:13:19< Espreon> I'm not sure if GUI1 can even handle devanagari, though.
20111011 10:17:29< Espreon> Well, even if it could, I doubt it can properly shape it.
20111011 10:18:29< Rhonda> Maybe I should drop all languages from selection that are below 50%, I have no idea.
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20111011 10:27:01< Ivanovic> moin
20111011 10:34:38< Espreon> Rhonda: I'll try it out myself and see what happens... to at least give the translator hope.
20111011 10:34:52< Rhonda> "<Espreon> The policy is that all of course must first be translated before a new font gets shipped."
20111011 10:35:23< Espreon> Yes, but it's nice to be able to test your translation.
20111011 10:35:36< Rhonda> Shouldn't we then hook into the build process some disabling of the languages that don't have "all of course" translated and thus no font in?
20111011 10:35:44< Espreon> ... or at least tell others how to get it to work.
20111011 10:35:46< Rhonda> Maybe through some switch.
20111011 10:35:53< Espreon> *all of core
20111011 10:36:22< Rhonda> Will be away in 2 minutes, kernel reboot.
20111011 10:36:25< Espreon> OK.
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20111011 10:48:29< Espreon> Rhonda: Well, I tried it and it at least renders. Dunno if it's being shaped properly, though since I can't read Devanagari.
20111011 10:48:41< Espreon> So, let's see what happens.
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20111011 11:22:58< Rhonda> Espreon: What does it need? Just dump the font into the folder, or is there some language<->font mapping happening somewhere in the code?
20111011 11:24:13< Espreon> Rhonda: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wesnoth-1.8/+bug/694665/comments/6
20111011 11:24:58< Espreon> So, yeah, sadly, you have to write configuration data.
20111011 11:27:14< Espreon> The translator could specify a desired font and I could put in a [font] codeblock.
20111011 11:27:22< Rhonda> sweet, thanks for the comment
20111011 11:28:04< Espreon> You're welcome.
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20111011 11:55:02< Rhonda> hmm, what language code is marathi
20111011 11:55:15< Rhonda> ah, mr
20111011 11:56:18< Espreon> What're you going to do?
20111011 11:57:08< Rhonda> "Last-Translator: Sujit R Jadhav <sujitrjadhav@gmail.com>\n"
20111011 11:57:08< Rhonda> "Language-Team: Marathi <sujitrjadhav@gmail.com>\n"
20111011 11:57:14< Rhonda> single person translator as a team. :)
20111011 11:57:39< Rhonda> Anyway, I was wondering whether gvim would display me the characters, if I have the font installed or not.
20111011 11:57:49< Espreon> It might.
20111011 11:58:08< Rhonda> did. I just wonder what the font name or font file is that I would need to put into the font.conf
20111011 11:58:14< Rhonda> fonts.cfg
20111011 11:58:26< Espreon> Whatever font is to be used.
20111011 11:58:56< Espreon> I'm using kalimati.ttf
20111011 12:00:06< Espreon> Rhonda: http://pastebin.com/Z9JuZMdv
20111011 12:00:19< Espreon> Of course, you don't need to uncomment Junicode's [font] block.
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20111011 12:03:40< Espreon> Rhonda: Hmmm, it seems that one t too many in the order= and family_order= keys.
20111011 12:05:09< Espreon> And sadly, I must go.
20111011 12:05:11< Espreon> See ya.
20111011 12:05:55< Rhonda> hmm, the tooltips look good, the help gives me still square boxes
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20111011 13:16:29< Ivanovic> Rhonda: tooltips: gui2, help: gui1
20111011 13:16:40< Ivanovic> Rhonda: there are two places where the fonts should be entered
20111011 13:17:15< Rhonda> oh?
20111011 13:17:25< Ivanovic> the problem is that adding "new" fonts in those lists will result in the strings being considered fuzzy from gettext
20111011 13:17:32< Ivanovic> so you can actually break stuff for asian languages
20111011 13:17:43< Ivanovic> since those tend to reorder the list of fonts
20111011 13:17:50< Ivanovic> so that one font is used for all chars
20111011 13:18:05< Rhonda> That's why I added it to the end, not?
20111011 13:18:13< Ivanovic> with other words: the most simple solution if you want to takle this bug report is removing languages that require an extra font not listed already
20111011 13:18:15< Rhonda> And the gettext strings aren't touched at all.
20111011 13:18:23< Rhonda> tackle
20111011 13:18:41< Ivanovic> what you'd have to do is alter the font listing in po/wesnoth/LANGCODE.po
20111011 13:20:03< Rhonda> so data/hardwired/fonts.cfg doesn't matter?
20111011 13:20:34< Ivanovic> ignore that file
20111011 13:20:42< Ivanovic> alter po/wesnoth/mr.po instead
20111011 13:20:51< Ivanovic> there translate the strings with the comment #. [fonts]
20111011 13:21:19< Ivanovic> if you just list the fonts there correctly, there will be no problem for other languages, since that is the "lang specific font list"
20111011 13:22:16< Ivanovic> no idea if you have to list the font name with the codepoints in data/hardwired/fonts.cfg
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20111011 13:23:29< Ivanovic> that is: in fonts.cfg you *musn't* touch family_order and order or some languages might be significantly worse results in the looks, since this would automatically make those strings "broken" and fuzzy
20111011 13:23:57< Ivanovic> and yeah it might really make sense to not ship any langs below say 50% completion
20111011 13:24:35< Rhonda> But that string would be considered fuzzy if I change the fonts.cfg?
20111011 13:25:20< Rhonda> If below 50% completition is 100% wesnoth.po, then I'd say it still makes sense.
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20111011 13:26:44< Ivanovic> 1) if you change the string in fonts.cfg it will be fuzzy for *all* languages
20111011 13:26:59< Rhonda> So that shouldn't matter for local tests. :)
20111011 13:27:09< Ivanovic> even for those that actually need it, which means the asian languages that do possibly define a different font also for usage of latin chars
20111011 13:27:23< Rhonda> I understand what you are aiming at, but I try to get it working for testing first.
20111011 13:27:30< Ivanovic> ah, okay
20111011 13:27:49< Ivanovic> basically: what works for you for local testing should also be entered in the po file as "correct translation"
20111011 13:28:23< Ivanovic> and the two strings are, IIRC, order for gui1 stuff and family_order for gui2
20111011 13:28:27< Ivanovic> not 100% sure though
20111011 13:28:47< Ivanovic> and especially gui1 might be significantly more broken for those more uncommon chars
20111011 13:29:03< Ivanovic> it might also depend on the codepoints, not sure how they are exactly supposed to work
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20111011 13:41:38< Espreon> Rhonda: It renders file in help over here.
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20111011 15:56:07< Espreon> AI0867: "KB" is still used... in src/dialogs.cpp:1141, apparently.
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20111011 19:14:53< Ivanovic> chrisoelmueller: do you follow the wesnoth-dev ml?
20111011 19:15:14< chrisoelmueller> i do
20111011 19:15:22< Ivanovic> have you seen this mail? https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-dev/2011-10/msg00015.html
20111011 19:15:27< chrisoelmueller> yes
20111011 19:15:36< chrisoelmueller> i'll ask the team on our meeting next sunday
20111011 19:15:43< Ivanovic> it would be great if you could talk to some unknown horizon folks what they think of a shared dev room
20111011 19:15:45< Ivanovic> ah, cool!
20111011 19:16:01< Ivanovic> djwillis mentioned this already on the scummvm list
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20111011 19:21:27< chrisoelmueller> off now, laters~
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20111011 19:44:17< timotei> cool > http://www.slashgear.com/bluestacks-is-androids-parallels-for-windows-04144132/
20111011 19:44:18< timotei> :D
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20111011 20:24:59< shadowmaster> wesbot: seen cjhopman
20111011 20:25:00< wesbot> shadowmaster: The person with the nick cjhopman last spoke 18d 11h ago.  1d 12h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth with the message: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
20111011 20:25:29< shadowmaster> cjhopman, so, where's the source code of the Android port so I can link to it in the homepage or Downloads page? :)
20111011 20:26:14< shadowmaster> (*current*, since https://github.com/cjhopman/Battle-for-Wesnoth-on-Android doesn't seem current to me)
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20111011 21:13:47< mordante> servus
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20111011 21:17:38< mordante> Rhonda, I assume your LP bug has been answered, reading the log and the bug report
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20111011 22:06:47< anonymissimus> how does one troubleshoot memory problems such as bug #18534 ? I already tried "valgrind" and backtraces I get are random
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20111011 22:27:36< mordante> anonymissimus, what did valgrind tell you?
20111011 22:29:31< anonymissimus> nothing, unfortunately
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20111011 22:31:41< mordante> what do you mean with nothing? No errors at all?
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20111011 22:33:25< anonymissimus> yes, not from valgrind at least
20111011 22:33:43< anonymissimus> and I'm runnign it right I think, I did it once with the ana network code
20111011 22:33:58< anonymissimus> and remember lots of memory problems which it reported
20111011 22:34:20< anonymissimus> so it's good that code is no longer used anyway
20111011 22:34:33< mordante> thonsew added some suppression files for valgrind, so that might also removed some issues
20111011 22:34:50< mordante> some detected leaks are not real leaks
20111011 22:36:23< anonymissimus> shouldnt these be removed now
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20111011 22:37:49< anonymissimus> yes the one he added is no longer there
20111011 22:38:00< mordante> the suppression file?
20111011 22:38:30< mordante> *grumble* more singular iterators in the WB code 
20111011 22:42:35< anonymissimus> the utils/valgrind_memcheck_suppression.supp one, r51060
20111011 22:42:50< anonymissimus> there's only some wb warnings
20111011 22:43:30< anonymissimus> and of course in this case I could limit the range of revisions further down, since the bug isn't yet in 1.9.8
20111011 22:43:32< mordante> the problem with WB is that is seems to be happy to copy singular iterators
20111011 22:43:46< mordante> which is UB and the debug containers trigger this issue
20111011 22:43:59< mordante> so I can't debug the bug Crendgrim runs into
20111011 22:44:12< anonymissimus> but for old bugs that doesnt help
20111011 22:51:39< anonymissimus> the random backtraces I got were in the MSVC debugger; and I got various memory problems reported when it crashes
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20111011 22:57:03< mordante> anonymissimus, best try to remind me again later, for now I will add some code to make the iterator sane
20111011 22:57:30< mordante> and add some asserts to avoid fiddling around with singular iterators
20111011 23:01:36< anonymissimus> I dont get iterators anyway, yet alone singular ones xD
20111011 23:01:57< mordante> I didn't expect that ;-)
20111011 23:02:26< mordante> it's a debug option in the standard c++ library of gcc
20111011 23:02:54< mordante> it's disabled by default, but finds all kind of issues
20111011 23:03:14< anonymissimus> I commented that wb::scoped_planned_unit_map future line in void game_display::draw_sidebar(), btu crashes anyway
20111011 23:03:24< mordante> the whole singular iterator state is somewhat silly IMO, but it's defined in the c++
20111011 23:03:32< anonymissimus> so doesnt seem the wb is involved
20111011 23:03:42< mordante> I believe it crashes, but my code never reaches due to WB
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20111011 23:03:59< mordante> btw can you paste a backtrace of your current crash?
20111011 23:04:30< anonymissimus> the backtraces vary randomly as I said
20111011 23:04:42< anonymissimus> so I dont see of what use it could be
20111011 23:06:49< mordante> then I can have a look and can be rather sure the line numbers in the crash match with the current lines in trunk
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20111011 23:06:58< mordante> AI0867, changed a lot of lines ;-)
20111011 23:07:33< anonymissimus> so I'm guessing wildly that something about the unit map and the select event is reponsible, the select event is pretty special compared to the other events
20111011 23:10:42< anonymissimus> yes, but the replace_map call is just one possible trigger for the crash
20111011 23:11:11< anonymissimus> it crashes sometimes also when moving or closing via the menu item or whatever
20111011 23:12:06< anonymissimus> so the backtraces are almost completely different and of no use, for me at least
20111011 23:13:17< AI0867> the crash is new?
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20111011 23:15:45< mordante> Ivanovic, any idea when you want to release the next version of Wesnoth?
20111011 23:17:11< anonymissimus> not in 1.9.8 yet as I said
20111011 23:17:51< anonymissimus> btu already in r50869
20111011 23:18:41< anonymissimus> well, I simply need to surrender to such bugs, only thing I could do is minimizing the revision range by trial&error
20111011 23:20:54< mordante> anonymissimus, how easy does it crash for you?
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20111011 23:31:16< anonymissimus> mordante: that is a bit different
20111011 23:32:02< anonymissimus> mordante: in MSVC debugger, it crashes mostly at the 1.-2. open inventory by moving to the bookshelf/close it via the select event - cycle
20111011 23:32:23< anonymissimus> in gdb, it generally lasts much longer
20111011 23:32:23< mordante> after fixing the WB issues I tried to reproduce it but opened it several times with no problem
20111011 23:32:53< anonymissimus> but I also got it a few times at teh first or second open/close cycle
20111011 23:33:13< anonymissimus> and you need to close it via the select event, the menu item doesnt work, that is, doesnt reproduce
20111011 23:33:53< anonymissimus> mordante: you could pastebin a patch and I could test it with MSVC
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20111011 23:35:19< anonymissimus> or commit it anyway if it's not really related
20111011 23:35:23< mordante> that assumes I found the bug ;-)
20111011 23:35:40< mordante> I have crash now
20111011 23:40:04< mordante> for me it crashes while opening
20111011 23:40:32< mordante> but it seems the debug container tries to delete a vector while an iterator is still pointing at it
20111011 23:40:43< mordante> so that might explain why it crashes later for you
20111011 23:40:57< mordante> (that's why I use those debug containers ;-) )
20111011 23:42:49 * anonymissimus doesnt really understand
20111011 23:47:35< mordante> anonymissimus, can you paste-bin your crash?
20111011 23:48:23< mordante> anonymissimus, nevermind I see you posted it in the bug report
20111011 23:50:57< mordante> seems your backtrace is different, mine looks more like the one in the bug report
20111011 23:52:01< mordante> terrain_builder::reload_map() () is in my call as well and while destroying an animated object things go bad
20111011 23:59:23< mordante> I will try to look at it later this week
20111011 23:59:27< mordante> I'm off now night
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