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20111014 00:19:40< AI0867> Soliton: nice catch
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20111014 01:03:35< Zarel> Hey guys. I haven't been here in ages. :]
20111014 01:03:51< shadowmaster> o/
20111014 01:03:57< Zarel> That said... Windows SmartScreen is telling me wesnoth-1.9.9 is malware.
20111014 01:04:25< Zarel> (Windows 8 dev preview; don't know if that makes a difference)
20111014 01:04:38< Zarel> But it's not a good sign. Are you guys doing some tricky things in the installer?
20111014 01:05:20< Zarel> Also, their "report that this program is safe to use" link apparently crashed Chrome
20111014 01:06:41< shadowmaster> loonycyborg: shame on you for slipping our trojan prototype into the Windows package
20111014 01:07:53< Zarel> Should I believe a website that tells me to ignore the SmartScreen Filter warning? 
20111014 01:07:53< Zarel> No. SmartScreen Filter uses reputable information to alert you to phishing and fraudulent websites.
20111014 01:08:01< Zarel> Hey, guys, Microsoft is telling me not to trust you. ;)
20111014 01:09:21< Zarel> Anyway, usual way to get rid of this warning is to stop doing tricky things in an installer, like writing to executable sections of memory.
20111014 01:09:42< Zarel> In all seriousness, do you know what part of the installer might be triggering this?
20111014 01:09:53< Zarel> Or maybe Sourceforge got hacked recently? o_O But that seems unlikely...
20111014 01:09:55< stikonas> of course Microsoft does not trust Free Software :). Is that a surprise?
20111014 01:10:16< shadowmaster> IIRC loonycyborg uses a prebuilt packager solution, so in that case it's probably out of his control
20111014 01:10:23< shadowmaster> in any case he does the packaging, not us
20111014 01:10:46< Zarel> Yeah, NSIS. Same installer packager Warzone uses, actually.
20111014 01:11:03< Zarel> NSIS itself doesn't trigger SmartScreen, so it's most likely something else.
20111014 01:11:22< Zarel> A specific NSIS script, or module, or something
20111014 01:12:46< anonymissimus> shadowmaster: IIRC you said something about that scoped wml variables were implemented in a bad way some time ago, didn't you ?
20111014 01:13:00< anonymissimus> I'm looking there atm
20111014 01:13:49< shadowmaster> based on what the code looked like in 1.5.x; surely it's gone a long way from there, and hopefully for the better
20111014 01:14:54< shadowmaster> basically, every time I see a true pointer in C++ code I grit my teeth and mutter something about bad design
20111014 01:16:38< shadowmaster> Yes, I'm guilty of that too. Yes, I know there are some rare situations in which there's no other way (besides interfacing with native interfaces). No, I don't like how much of the implementation of thiscall happens to be exposed in some places.
20111014 01:18:49< Zarel> shadowmaster: A true pointer, as opposed to passing things by reference everywhere?
20111014 01:20:05< shadowmaster> passing things by reference or copy feels definitely less Cish, even when references may be implemented as pointers by the compiler
20111014 01:21:34< Zarel> shadowmaster: Nothing wrong with that. Everything's implemented as gotos by the compilers, but gotos are still evil. ;)
20111014 01:22:21< shadowmaster> right. I have no problem with the underlying implementation as long as I don't have to interact too much with it myself and increase the chances of screwing up
20111014 01:23:32< shadowmaster> not sure if you were intending to derail this into a "everyone should use native assembler instead" argument :)
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20111014 01:33:10< Zarel> shadowmaster: heh, nope, I never said I disagreed with you.
20111014 01:33:45< Zarel> These days, I write mostly in JavaScript and I've never had a problem with the lack of true pointers.
20111014 01:40:30< loonycyborg> Zarel: My wesnoth NSIS script doesn't use any nsis plugins that aren't shipped with NSIS iteslf.
20111014 01:40:42< loonycyborg> And they all seem to be rather common.
20111014 01:41:08< Zarel> loonycyborg: Hmm, have you tested wesnoth-1.9.9's installer on Windows?
20111014 01:41:44< Zarel> hmm, IE doesn't seem to complain. I think it's Windows 8's built-in scanner that's complaining.
20111014 01:41:44< loonycyborg> The script template is packaging/windows/wesnoth.nsi.in in the SVN.
20111014 01:41:57< loonycyborg> I tested only on XP.
20111014 01:42:22< Zarel> I can test it on win7 if necessary, but I'm kinda in the middle of something. :/
20111014 01:43:17< CIA-64> ai0867 * r51466 /trunk/src/commandline_options.hpp: Fix an obsoleted-at-commit comment.
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20111014 01:45:01< loonycyborg> The only things that prevent me from installing win7 on a partition is lack of disk space and general laziness :P
20111014 01:47:11< Zarel> loonycyborg: Hmm, I'd recommend win7 over winxp if you only have the disk space for one.
20111014 01:47:18< Zarel> Of course, it depends on what you'd be running on it.
20111014 01:47:29< Zarel> I really need an IE6 test partition. :/
20111014 01:47:35< Zarel> Well, test VM, really.
20111014 01:47:45< Zarel> I don't really need to dedicate an actual partition to IE6
20111014 01:47:46< shadowmaster> I think you should keep testing on XP for people like me who still own machines that aren't really useful with newer versions of Windows!
20111014 01:48:12< Zarel> shadowmaster: Isn't that the point at which you install Linux?
20111014 01:48:37< shadowmaster> not really, my desktop is more useful running XP than Debian 6
20111014 01:49:51< shadowmaster> admittedly I'm too lazy to spend any time figuring out a desktop environment/configuration that could take full advantage of its poor hardware specs, and XP just works ;)
20111014 01:50:16< Zarel> Heh, that's the same reason I run OS X, but you always struck me as a Linux guy.
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20111014 04:00:14< CIA-64> alarantalara * r51467 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/02_Across_the_Harsh_Sands.cfg: Fix typo that greatly reduced chance that Black Hand bandits spawn
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20111014 09:43:51< Ivanovic> moin
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20111014 11:32:55< Espreon> anonymissimus; whoever else that cares: [illuminated_time] does indeed cause an error to be thrown once the scenario has started, but I don't care. Some changelog notes and stuff will tell the curious "NO, this is NOT valid anymore!"
20111014 11:37:21< CIA-64> espreon * r51469 /trunk/changelog: Added changelog note about [illuminated_time].
20111014 11:37:45< Espreon> And yes, we need a note with the distribution so that we can tell everyone that they've been warned.
20111014 11:40:33< CIA-64> espreon * r51470 /trunk/changelog: Killed a period.
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20111014 13:29:44< Ivanovic> boucman: carols once wrote that there will be busses on sunday evening
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20111014 13:34:55< Ivanovic> boucman: https://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Shuttle_Information_2011
20111014 13:35:01< Ivanovic> "6:00pm - two shuttles, one running to SJC and one to SFO"
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20111014 16:14:44-!- Channel #wesnoth-dev created Tue Jan 27 06:28:41 2009
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20111014 16:36:35< CIA-64> espreon * r51471 /trunk/src/marked-up_text.cpp: Cleansed parts of is_cjk_char. Cover Hangul Jamo, Hangul Jamo Extended-A, Hangul Jamo Extended-B, Bopomofo (for realz, this time), and Bopomofo Extended.
20111014 16:41:29< CIA-64> espreon * r51472 /trunk/src/marked-up_text.cpp: Made an escaped character consistent with the others.
20111014 16:54:11< AI0867> Espreon: bopomofo?
20111014 16:55:54< Espreon> It's a Chinese syllabary used in Taiwan. It appears that the author of the patch meant to include it but duplicated another range instead.
20111014 17:03:52< CIA-64> espreon * r51473 /trunk/src/marked-up_text.cpp: Cover Katakana Phonetic Extensions too.
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20111014 17:21:54< Espreon> Hmmm, should I cover Yi?
20111014 17:22:11< Espreon> Sadly, I have no clue.
20111014 17:24:30< Espreon> The Yi syllable characters seem to be fullwidth.
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20111014 18:03:11< anonymissimus> wesbot: #bug 12824
20111014 18:03:17< anonymissimus> wesbot: bug 12824
20111014 18:03:18< wesbot> Bug #12824  Assigned to: Patrick P <sapient>  Status: Fixed  Priority: 5 - Normal
20111014 18:03:21< wesbot> Summary: Random bug with WML variables
20111014 18:03:24< wesbot> Original submission: Some WML that is not working properly in any build of thi
20111014 18:03:27< wesbot> s SVN revision (that is, it does not have the desired effect) causes crashes on 
20111014 18:03:30< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?12824
20111014 18:03:32< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/bugs/download.php?file_id=5160
20111014 18:05:36< CIA-64> espreon * r51474 /trunk/src/marked-up_text.cpp: Cover Yi Radicals and Yi Syllables. The Yi script is lumped with the other CJKV stuff, the characters are fullwidth, and so forth.
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20111014 18:30:31< CIA-64> espreon * r51475 /trunk/src/marked-up_text.cpp: Don't break before the characters in the Katakana Phonetic Extensions plane.
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20111014 18:33:01< Espreon> And it appears that I'm using the term 
20111014 18:33:05< Espreon> "plane" incorrectly.
20111014 18:34:35< CIA-64> espreon * r51476 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): Corrected wording.
20111014 18:35:32< CIA-64> espreon * r51477 /branches/1.8/ (changelog players_changelog): Corrected wording.
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20111014 19:04:48-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 200 bugs, 334 feature requests, 17 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20111014 19:08:36< CIA-64> espreon * r51478 /trunk/src/marked-up_text.cpp: Cover the Kana Supplement block.
20111014 19:08:44< Espreon> And that should be enough of that.
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20111014 20:41:43< mordante> servus
20111014 20:42:48< Espreon> mordante: Ic grete þe.
20111014 20:43:00< mordante> hi Espreon 
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20111014 21:06:04< anonymissimus> mordante: are you still investigating bug #18534 ?
20111014 21:09:47< mordante> anonymissimus, yes, but seems hard to reproduce
20111014 21:10:23< mordante> managed twice but the second crash seemed completely different
20111014 21:10:35< mordante> so hope valgrind is nice to me
20111014 21:16:44< oldtopman> What library/engine did you use for BfW?
20111014 21:17:04< oldtopman> is used*
20111014 21:17:22< Ivanovic> the battle for wesnoth engine
20111014 21:17:28< anonymissimus> mordante: as I said, backtraces vary
20111014 21:17:52< oldtopman> Ivanovic: Is that based off of anything such as SDL?
20111014 21:18:05< Ivanovic> it is *using* sdl
20111014 21:18:31< oldtopman> Why the asterisks?
20111014 21:18:39< shadowm_laptop> emphasis
20111014 21:19:10< Ivanovic> oldtopman: "based on" would mean that it is somehow derived, which is not the case
20111014 21:19:18< oldtopman> Ahhhh.
20111014 21:19:33< Ivanovic> it is using an engine of its own though sdl is used as kind of "back end" to access the system specific stuff
20111014 21:19:45< Ivanovic> render operations and other things
20111014 21:19:56< oldtopman> Okay.
20111014 21:20:12< anonymissimus> system events such as key presses
20111014 21:21:56< shadowm_laptop> our current dependencies AFAIR are SDL, SDL_image, SDL_mixer, SDL_ttf, Pango, Cairo, Boost.iostreams, Boost.system, Boost.thread, Boost.asio, Boost.foreach, Boost.bind, Boost.program_options, Boost.serialization, Boost.regex, optionally D-Bus, and optional native X11 or Win32 APIs
20111014 21:22:27< shadowm_laptop> scratch that Boost.foreach, someone apparently put it into the source tree instead
20111014 21:23:01< shadowm_laptop> scratch that, someone apparently made turned that header into a proxy for the system's Boost.foreach :p
20111014 21:23:02< anonymissimus> mordante: if valgrind is nice to you, I'd like to know how the command(s) you used
20111014 21:24:15< mordante> anonymissimus, yes you said so, but before the traces looked quite the same
20111014 21:25:05< mordante> at the moment valgrind is slow; as usual
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20111014 21:33:36< CIA-64> mordante * r51479 /trunk/src/variable.hpp: 
20111014 21:33:36< CIA-64> Remove a no longer needed work-around for g++-4.7.
20111014 21:33:36< CIA-64> The current snapshot of 4.7 compiles fine without the work-around.
20111014 21:34:48< shadowm_laptop> I always thought you needed a 4 GHz or better CPU to run wesnoth on valgrind
20111014 21:35:41< mordante> you need some powerful hardware, mine is too weak
20111014 21:36:12< mordante> of course a quad-core doesn't help since Wesnoth is almost fully single-threaded
20111014 21:38:04< AI0867> you can valgrind wesnoth on a 5 year old never-top-of-the-line system, as long as you don't ask for too much and are willing to wait forever
20111014 21:38:58< mordante> I just have a problem with that last part ;-)
20111014 21:39:21< Espreon> As do I, but I'm talking about something else.™
20111014 21:40:12< shadowm_laptop> last time I checked on a 2 GHz dual core it took 15 minutes to get past the loading screen
20111014 21:41:38< anonymissimus> hm sounds like I do something somethign wrong, mine also hasnt much more than 2 GHz
20111014 21:42:13< anonymissimus> its certainly nto slower than the VC debugger for me
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20111014 21:42:27< mordante> valgrind just has a very huge overhead on the execution speed
20111014 21:42:42< mordante> not slower as the VC debugger ?
20111014 21:43:11< anonymissimus> well yes, launching the test scenario last ~3 min for me
20111014 21:43:31< anonymissimus> now after the token revert, rpeviously it took 4,5 min or 5
20111014 21:43:56< anonymissimus> and valgrind seemed faster
20111014 21:44:14< shadowm_laptop> MSVC's debugger never seemed to introduce any overhead on applications I ran through it, just like gdb
20111014 21:44:26< mordante> that sounds odd
20111014 21:44:37< mordante> a normal debugger should cause that much overhead
20111014 21:44:42< mordante> shouldn't
20111014 21:45:07< anonymissimus> it is clearly connected to teh cache loading phase
20111014 21:45:38< mordante> heard that before
20111014 21:45:50< anonymissimus> for instance, if I quit a scenario, don't press F5 and reload the same scenario again, it's much faster
20111014 21:45:52< mordante> IIRC the IO in the debug containers is very slow
20111014 21:46:36< anonymissimus> since there is some functionality alink built in to speed up loading if the wml didnt change
20111014 21:46:53< anonymissimus> IIRC think it was alink however
20111014 21:48:22< anonymissimus> but since I often don't need to change wml but cna instead reload lua on-the-fly I can leave the debugger open so I don't need to reload :)
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20111014 21:49:11< anonymissimus> the scenario in the debugger I mean; only when I want to edit the C++ code edit & continue practically never works
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20111014 22:41:13< mordante> anonymissimus, I just run valgrind with --db-attach not other options
20111014 22:41:54< mordante> found one suspicious action, which I will investigate in the weekend
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20111014 22:49:25< mordante> I'm off night
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20111014 23:30:04< Espreon> http://imagebin.org/179055 ... Blargh. Opinions?
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20111014 23:43:14< shadowm_laptop> what is supposed to be the problem?
20111014 23:44:12< Espreon> Well, I'm trying to make the about [message] in Dark Forecast nicer.
20111014 23:45:19< shadowm_laptop> I'd give you my opinion, but some people have the bad habit of taking my words as law
20111014 23:45:59< shadowm_laptop> and then other people have the bad habit of attributing other people's actions to me
20111014 23:47:05< Espreon> I see.
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20111014 23:57:57< Espreon> Awww, notes_string= in [objectives] can't take a variable.
20111014 23:58:06< Espreon> anonymissimus: ^
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